Wasn't the bomb shelter Dcom?
My motives...
>>344181853
...are very complex.
They require half a pint of alien juice, an ounce of Diana's tears, and Sigma's semen.
>>344182047
What the fuck, anon.
I hate that this isn't even that far from the truth
In the ending where D Team melts the others in Decon room why did Diana get mindhacked to run back into the shelter?
The other two are plausible but Diana just runs back in to be berated and laughed at by Zero for being a piece of shit even though he knows he used MIND HAKKU on her
What was the point? Was he just being a bitch? After 124 years was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
>>344182492
>After 124 years was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
But we proved last thread Phi got the sexpod
>>344182492
>was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
>>344181764
Does anyone have png samples of the "Time To Decide" and "Your Choice Is Made" logos?
>>344182770
Here you are, anon.
>>344180552
The brooch was clear from the incinerator, the second I initially guessed as "hairclasp" (not thinking about the possibility of a space) since it looked like a type of similar item that Diana had.
I found it interesting that it was a dual-coded answer to either "Blue Bird" or "Music Box" (that was the one I used first, and went back to check the other).
Reminder that delta did nothing wrong
>>344182893
My nigga
POST YOUR BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH THIS CLUSTERFUCK
>No interaction between the teams so basically no dialogue with anyone except the characters they already know (wtf was this)
>Boss Phi becomes the Snake/Quark of this game by spending the entire thing dead
>Zero isn't also a SHIFTer who starts to follow you around the timelines fucking with you in the flowchart and changing history to ruin your plans
>The Force Quit box just made the whole shelter blow up instead of making it fall apart and revealing that the whole thing was a simulation in the quantum computer run by Kyle to find a timeline where Radical-6 didn't escape
>>344182681
>The end of this timeline is that Sigma, Diana and the left behind original babies starve to death in the shelter
damn
So, quick question, every bad ending in 999, Did Akami have to experience every single one personally?
I'm surprised none of them traumatized her.
>>344183178
No, that's why Delta put the Blue Button in there. So they could go out on their own terms.
>>344183302
>Akami
This game would have been so much better and easier to take seriously if it didn't straight look like a PS2 game
>>344183169
I think your first point is the most applicable. After two games where there always was a shuffling around of teammates, it was a bit jarring to be in a locked-in situation.
>>344182047
>>344183302
>>I'm surprised none of them traumatized her.
You sure?
>>344183302
Yes, this is the reason she doesn't like seeing Junpei killed
Also
>Akami
>>344181880
Delta Mind Hacks Eric and Mira, finds out his origin data was already secured, then recruits them to his cult or lets them go on their merry way.
1904 Phi still wants to welcome her infant clone arriving in 2008.
Since Diana and Sigma in their new timeline would have zero relation to their original parents, the twins use Eric and Mira's data to take a vacation on the Transporter and greet the family they could never have.
>>344183392
Oh please, the graphics are at the bottom of this game's list of problems.
Who did you MIND HACK today, /v/?
Smut thread >>>/aco/686648
>>344183510
>>344183486
Lack of sleep because I finished the game when I should have been sleeping, It's Akane
In a bit of a clever moment, I realize that elder Akane's breakdown when going through door 3 is quite the misdirection. She's not breaking down because of the dead body, she's breaking down because she knows there is only one way this particular route is going to end.
>>344184190
>>344184190
I immediately pressed it without hesitation.
>>344183169
>No D-Team Epilogues
PLEASE
>>344183482
>>344182047
>Plot twist, Delta gave Carlos an extra something on top of the memory loss drug. He's been high the whole game
Seriously, why did he forget about Snake
At least Seven and Lotus got mentions
>999
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
>VLR
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
>ZTD
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
And we'll all fucking fall for it the next time too, even though the explanation for it will be even more retarded.
There is no Escape from Zero.
>>344185295
You got the uncropped picture?
>>344184190
>>344185769
>next time
>implying
This was the finale in the trilogy and after it took a whole social media fiasco to even get this made if it doesn't sell well the man won't get picked up by another publisher/developer for all eternity
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>344187683
I don't care by this point
He'll probably do a large-scale Kickstarter campaign which won't succeed, then a reasonable one which will
>>344185769
>999Only the bottom screen, the majority of the game was still from Junpei's perspective.
>VLR
True.
>ZTDThe main twist was that Zero was there the whole time and was Q. You weren't viewing the game from his perspective.
>>344182893
Is there only a static version available? Would be nice to have an animation.
>>344189230
I thoughtDelta mindhacked Carlos/Diana/Sean during Decision games and watched everything through surveillance cameras
>>344189453
exploitable gifs are a bitch and a half
>>344183169
> Left is mostly irrelevant
> Rad-6 is now just a macguffin
>>344189575
CanDelta mindhack through security cameras?
>>344189453
Unfortunately, not yet. I guess someone would need to post the right assets first, and then one of us could work on it.
Finally done with ZTD.
Loved the game, the spoilers were freaking sick.
But it felt like such a chore to me doing all the freaking rooms, even moreso than the older games.So Delta's reason for ZTD is to just change their mindset?
>>344187683
Yeah, and there was a poll up for a while that had a ton more people preferring a new traditional VN style game from Uchi than ZE4. I'm not saying that the poll is indeed a perfect representation of all his fans, but if it's any measure of the truth then Uchi might not even have the right support and prerogative to make another ZE.
There's just so many things like that which make ZE4 nothing more than a pipe dream.
>>344185769
> VLRHe's not Zero yet though.
>>344190024
No but is ZTD not supposed to be the final game in the series? I don't think he wants to make another even if he gets the green light.
>>344189575
It's heavily implied that the player acts as the mindhacking Delta when you're making choices.
>>344189845
>>344189230
You were literally watching the entirety of ZTD from Delta's eyes, either directly or via cameras with direct feed to his glasses.
Hence the transitions where the screen gets covered in white noise and blips out like a TV signal.
>>344190024
>I'm not saying that the poll is indeed a perfect representation of all his fans
Let's not kid ourselves, it is.
>>344190420
That's my point exactly. I said "there's just so many things like that"...which also includes Uchi's apparent lack of interest in continuing.
What I was just trying to say is that even if he was open to the idea and wanted to do something for his fans, it probably still wouldn't be ZE4.
>>344190598
And when characters are obfuscating information from Delta, they're obfuscating it from the player.
Were we wrong? Should we have just let Uchi recycle Infinity?
>>344190024
Here's the poll if anyone's curious. The majority is definitely in favor of going back to the traditional VN format.
>you will never find a secret ending tying all the loose ends
>>344190746
...Alright, you got me there.
>>344182492
Diana ran back of her own volition. She was hiding from her ex-husband.
So it would seem that the only real antagonist in this series, with no altruistic excuse for his actions, was Ace.
>>344191194
Is that poll with ZTD's proper ending? Because I can't see it.
>>344183169
>Akane's character is a complete clusterfuck, she isn't what she was supposed to be
>Sigma and Phi's shifting ability completely useless
>no Kyle, no ?
>no Santa, no Snake
>why the fuck Mira and Eric even were there
>decision segment was pretty okay, but turned completely useless when you knew you have to do the two options anyway, so there wasn't any weight put to your decisions
>too much needless gore
>ayy lmaos
Yeah, I was disappointed.
I'm thinking about buying this game. I watched a walkthrough of 999, but nothing of Virtue's last reward. Should I watch a walkthrough of VLR before buying ZTD?
>>344191194
>>344191494
http://www.strawpoll.me/10682237/r
my bad
>>344191609
VLR is better than ZTD desu
>>344191609
you are going to regret paying money for this game after the ending
Can i play that game, if i never played a zero escape game before?
>>344191609
don't buy ZTD
just play VLR and pretend ZTD doesn't exist
>>344191609
...
So, you think Eric and Mira ever actually had sex?
>>344191609
EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD
>>344191609
>watched a walkthrough of 999
>>344191571
>too much needless gore
What? They cut away from every violent scene, mostly because they couldn't animate it. Which really calls into question the entire 3D upgrade when half the time you're looking at walls and listening to a drama CD.
>>344191319
fucking christ this has to be the most illogical scene in the entire series
>in this deadly and mysterious game where your memories get REGULARLY WIPED Akane and Carlos both assume one of them absolutely has to be the killer
>neither of them ever once consider the incredibly likely, and logical, theory that an outside force deployed by Zero killed Junpei
>Akane's character suddenly goes from being the quirky girl next door to someone willing to murder within an instant
>>344191939
I doubt it, he gets pretty flustered when she mentions doing the horizontal tango.
>>344191852
Because implied insanity over losing Junpei is funny.
>>344191939
Fuck no. Sean had bigger chances
>>344185769
>Ever17
>The "player" is actually a interdimensional being that the characters of the game are trying to contact by recreating an event that happened 17 years in the past
>Remember11
>The antagonist of the game is trying to capture the player, an interdimensional being known as "That Guy" in an infinite time loop
Makes the Zero Escape series a little more disappointing having seen these elements used over 10 years prior
>>344191852
Still a far more tasteful edit than mine, anon.
>>344192128
There's infinite variations on timelines we never see, this was the dumb Akane one
>>344192229>interdimensional being known as "That Guy"or just Selfalso the poor bastard got totally fucked on, as opposed to Blick Winkel's willing creation of his own trap
I would honestly have preferred ZTD go that route instead of what it did
>>344191609
Do you want to miss out on a cool story that serves as a set up for another cool story.
Or do you just want to skip a cool story and play another cool story without getting a lot of references and the deeper meaning behind things.
Ask yourself that.
Just because ZTD is newer doesn't mean the 2 games that came before it aren't extremely good. You'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't play VLR.
>>344192043
I quess I used the wrong word, they didn't show it on screen, but characters getting killed by toxic showers, becoming swiss cheese, getting axed, getting shot was too much. But that's me, I just don't like it, it was fine in the other games because it was toned down, but this time Uchikoshi went loose, there was no need to go that far.
>>344189963
That was one reason.The primary reason was to have Phi and him conceived with the epigenetic disposition they had, instead of a more "normal" result.
>>344192128
Akane was already established as willing to murder anyone and everyone for her own selifsh ends in 999. This wasn't out of character for her, we've just never seen her PERSONALLY use violence before.
>>344192229
Yeah, I played Ever17 after 999 and felt a little betrayed, then VLR came recycling some more plot elements and I stopped regarding Uchi as a good writer
His games are the same concept propped up by immense amounts of variable quality slice of life
And yet somehow I still like them a lot, I've got a soft spot for mystery box VNs
>>344191463
Ace is definitely the best villain in my opinion. All other zeros and murderers were either completely insane (mira), ordered to do it (dio), or required to take certain actions because of bootstrap paradoxes (delta, sigma, akane). Ace is the only one with a good albeit selfish motive.
>>344192864
>>344192229
I just like theory/mystery/pseudoscience, but if there are no answers ever coming it just becomes unfulfilling.
>>344190163
That's both no and yes.His mind is from his 22 year old self, but his body is his old body that he introduces himself (via the hologram) to be zero.
>>344192864
I mean holy shit Danganronpa has some of the dumbest, most autistic dialogue I've seen this side of videogames but the murder plots they come up with are fucking glorious
>tfw the entire point of Akane's character, which is believing that the ends justify the means even though you really don't want them to, is completely ignored
>tfw Junpei is just a boring piece of shit
>tfw Sigma is a recycled young Sigma despite being old
>tfw Phi's character is hamfisted as hell
>tfw Diana is basically Ever17's Sora but even less interesting
>tfw Eric is obnoxious
>tfw Mira is uninteresting
>tfw Sean has nothing going for him once the reveal is over
>tfw Carlos is the only halfway-decent character and he gets little chance to show it, then acts like a fucking idiot a lot of the time because Uchikoshi needed that to happen
>tfw no Aoi
>>344193287
I pretty much played both Danganronpas for the mystery cases. The ending of the first game wasn't that bad but the ending of the second game was shit. I had to pull through and finish it because I really didn't want to continue with that last """case""".
>>344192864
I read Ever17 before any of the others, but I still enjoyed the ZE series and Remember11. Even if they tread old ground, I enjoy the scenarios with people being trapped and murdering each other.
I will always like Ever17 for doing it earlier and Remember11 is my favorite for having unique twists and concepts that didn't get recycled in later works.
Now I just have to read Never7 and wait for the 12Riven translation (ETA: Never)
>>344192128
>>Akane's character suddenly goes from being the quirky girl next door to someone willing to murder within an instant
Mind hack muthafucka
>>344193420
I wonder how much of a difference did the extra writers make, was it like with Mass Effect 3? I'm also reminded of Prototype 2 and its complete rewrite of EVERY returning character, like it was an alternate history non-reboot.
>>344191571
>decision segment was pretty okay, but turned completely useless when you knew you have to do the two options anyway, so there wasn't any weight put to your decisions
Moral decisions seem difficult to convey in games, all they do is encourage experimentation.
>>344193770
>Now I just have to read Never7
aaaaahaha
>>344193770
Is Remember 11 worth it if it isn't finished? Never bothered with it because of this.
>>344192128
She gets nuclear when Junpei is hurt/ded
>>344193287
This is probably the only reason I like DR
I sorta like the mystery of who killed who, but goddamn I hate the finale everytime
Box 15 is a damn good song though
>>344193709
>The ending of the first game wasn't that bad but the ending of the second game was shit.
Jesus Christ that non-twist
>start the game with the protagonist entering a virtual reality with 8bit motifs fucking everywhere
>pretend it's a surprise
I did shout TIME SKIP! in the first game as soon as Makoto felt dizzy but that wasn't an error on their part, just a trope
These games also gain a lot being on handhelds, playing DR2 on PC was a chore
>>344192128
Speaking of which, where did she run off to before the confrontation?
>>344194063
see previous threads for the consensus on this
I was one of the people who told another person that remember11 is the best story I've ever read in a game because I meant it
this whole "oh it's unfinished" stigma is quite frankly bullshit, because you can easily piece together where things were going to go if you do a little research
>>344194063
Yes. Enough loose ends are tied up to explain what happens within the story. You'll see why people complain about a cliffhanger if you finish it, but honestly it doesn't devalue what takes place in the story.
>>344194385
>>344194407
Well after the wreck that was ZTD I don't think I can get more disappointed. Thank you I'll check it out.
>>344194014
I had a ~Game Idea~ that involved hashing and encrypting the save with a key unique to every copy and periodically scanning the computer for backups, just so players would have no option but to stick to the decisions they make
Then I realized every antivirus would classify such game as malware
>>344192229Self can also warp reality based on what he saw previously.
>>344192864
I played Ever17 after 999 and was surprised how much I got wrong. I think being a decent writer is all about the execution because there's nothing new under the sun.
still sad that one character can be completely replaced with a floating shotgun and you wouldn't even notice
>>344194063
It's a wild ride, it's only unfinished in that it doesn't spoonfeed you the answers like in Ever17. The answers are in there but yuo have to piece them together yourself.
Shame, an extra scenario would be nice.
Should I play the Danganronpa games next or the Ace Attorney games?
>>344195519
I like AA more
Dr twists are just retarded and plays more like an bad anime
>>344195424
>an extra scenario would be nice
I concur
>>344195519
There's only three Dangan Ronpa games and several Ace Attorney games. And out of the three DR games, you only need to play two really.
I'd say go for DR. The anime for it airs next week, too.
>>344183169
>my motives are complex
>>344183169
>having to repeat the "no, we could have woken up several times and don't remember it" conversation several times
>no skip function on by default to speed read through those conversations
Has anyone counted how many times this gets brought up over the course of the game? It's fucking astounding. It doesn't even need repeated that many times.
>>344196339
>No skip function
Just activate it in the options menu
Also VLR had way more repetition, with the Quark, Alice killing herself, the explanation of AB game constantly
Akane and Junpei actually got married
Are you satisfied? I'm not
>>344191852
>>344196339
It's the most natural thing for them to say, actually. It's like that Adam Sandler movie with the girl with 1 day memory, it's so silly that everytime she wakes up she goes through the process of realizing everything that's happened with her and her relationship and it emphasizes that. I agree that it's annoying, though.
>>344196568
And every time you change a room and you have to follow the dot.
>>344196731
Actually you're right, that one pissed me off the most
>>344196642
I wanted this so bad but the actual proposal scene was somewhat disappointing and the TEXT FILE epilogue was ridiculously disappointing
>>344196568
Virtue's Last Reward was a much longer game, and there was an easy option to skip repeated dialogue and stop for the new stuff.
>>344195970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiNbGbs2dQ
His motives are... complex
>>344196919
The proposal was fine, but yes, the text file was disappointing.
>>344196948
Good luck trying to skip >>344196731
So why did Delta kill Gab
>>344197160
Literally no reason at all
People keep saying "oh it's so they had to shift back to the coin flip" but I really think they have brain damage or have been mind hacked because that's nonsense
>>344197160
He didn't want to leave the team with a reason to stay in that timeline, they needed nothing holding them back
>>344196568
>>344196689
My big gripe is that if the game was still in the VN format it wouldn't be as big of a deal. You can just speed read through the conversation until you its over.
I think the cutscene format hurt the game in a lot of ways. For the many new opportunities to show instead of tell, they did a lot of actions offscreen or had subpar animation work.
>>344197160
anon you know exactly what answers you'll get
>>344197160
complex motives
>>344196948
Twice as long according to my 3DS log.
>>344196919
At least it wasn't like Remember11, where an entire plot point and character goes unmentioned unless you dive into the text files
>>344197307
>>344197320
True poetry
>>344197252
This makes the most sense
I just finished the game last night
Things I didn't like:
-Not enough Phi
-MUH TERRORISTS seemed pretty shoe-horned in
-The final ending kind of just petered-out
-No Sigma/Phi/Diana epilogue
Things I liked:
-Diana and Sigma's baby end
-Sean shooting the camera when you entered in Delta, especially if you didn't know that Delta was in the room with them
-Having it end on a message of hope
Other thoughts:
Some of the puzzle rooms were good, others were shit(infirmary). The best puzzle room experience I had was still the final puzzle room in VLR. I'm conflicted on the ending, I'm glad that seven of them turned into bad-ass SHIFTers ready to defend the Earth, and that it's implied at the very end that they make their own decisions from now on, but like I said before, it felt like it just sort of...ended. Also, I don't know how to feel about the aliens. For one thing, aliens, but if we take into account the multiverse theory, it starts to make sense. Since every universe a person could imagine exists, there could be a universe where the aliens make that device and make it so that they can traverse through different histories. The only thing is, it can only go into histories where it's invented. So regardless, you still have the whole aliens thing.
>>344197479
>-Sean shooting the camera when you entered in Delta, especially if you didn't know that Delta was in the room with them
Loved this
>Make a Heart!
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>344197479
>Final Puzzle room
Man I was so bummed that ZTD didn't have one, The setting was perfect for it too, a 10 minute to finish escape room
It didn't need to actually be timed, like 999's final puzzle room, but something to up the stakes. Instead we got a lame decision game that really only had one option.
Having a final puzzle would have made 2 cool endings.
>>344197479
>Diana and Sigma's baby end
Arguably one of the best scenes in the entire series, I was shocked they had the balls to stay with the characters that long after the door closed
>>344197479
>Also, I don't know how to feel about the aliens.
Why wasn't it humans from the future or just fucking Wunderwaffe
>>344197984
>Arguably one of the best scenes in the entire series
Why didn't they die due to the poison that they didn't receive an antidote for in that timeline
So what was the meaning of "188 pounds"?
>>344198293
sigma's weight activating the gun chair
>>344198194
Maybe it was the same fuckery as the Q-team Radical-6 injection. Either that, or Zero knew that Mira and Eric were immune to Radical-6.
>>344198453
>the same fuckery as the Q-team Radical-6 injection
Impossible, that's not even a schrodinger's cat justification
The 100% kill virus never existed
>>344198194
I never was one for plothole-based critique. If a work makes me feel, it's good.
>>344198194
What poison? I thought they were not injected during that timeline
>>344198194
Phi was infected by the poison when she entered the incinerator, and it could be spread airborne. She was burned alive along with the air in the chamber, so the poison never got out.
There you go, plothole filled.
>>344197984
>>344197479
>Diana and Sigma's baby end
If the games were a TV show, this would have been the Emmy-winning episode. A couple minutes into it I was clenching my fist thinking "please let this be what I'm starting to hope it is", and it was.
I kind of wish it kept going all the way to their deaths for even more feels though. There was no need to spare us from that considering what game this is.
>>344198713
They were set to automatically be injected, because Q team had already been killed by that point, including Delta
There is absolutely no reason for them not to have received poison when they did in the other timelines, namely "Shoot: Live" and "Don't Shoot"
>>344198940
Fuck off Uchikoshi
>>344191767
>>>>>fucking implying
Why is everyone acting like ZTD's ending was so bad
I mean in terms of being a series ender? Yeah, it was disappointing. But everyone is forgetting that the last route of VLR was honest to god a thing that someone looked at and decided was suitable to be released. And 999's ending was a giant mess too
>>344199074
VLR ending was better than ZTD.
>>344199000
Yeah honestly for all the fuckups and stupid shit this game did that ending was one of the saddest in the franchise imo
Like even the premise was really dumb because again it was just Ever17 but worse but the last two scenes were killer. Matt Mercer is god-tier
>>344198105
I like to imagine that it was an experimental project and FtS dressed it up as alien technology because complex motives. I don't think anybody here raised a fuss whenRemember11had a workable if flawed time machine.
Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
>>344199260
>Main twist shamelessly ripped from Ever17
>Akane pulls a knife out of fucking nowhere and lol that's the game folks
>Doesn't answer half the questions in the game and even raises more
>Sets up the world's biggest cliffhanger for a game they didn't even know they could make yet
>Drags down a god-tier game to being just an ok one because it relies so heavily on its (also super flawed) successor to answer all its fucking questions
VLR's ending made me so angry I almost didn't buy ZTD
>>344199642
>I don't think anybody here raised a fuss whenRemember11had a workable if flawed time machine.
Because that was the entire premise of the plot and not something shoved in to justify Akane and Junpei being able to exist in the VLR timeline when ordinarily they'd have been dead
Do you remember that part in VLR where it was mentioned that sending your entire body through time instead of just your consciousness, all using the morphogenetic field, was mentioned? Because I haven't forgotten despite Uchikoshi forgetting
So what purpose did this serve?
>>344199828
M I N D H A C K
>>344199642
>Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
Because Uchikoshi wanted more clones and timelines
Reminder that Carlos did not shoot Delta because he would have been in prison in the epilogue had he done it.
>>344199828
complex motives
>>344199042
>There is absolutely no reason for them not to have received poison when they did in the other timelines, namely "Shoot: Live" and "Don't Shoot"
Thanks to cinematic story telling someone could always argue that they did receive and take the antidote but the game didn't show it.
>Sean points directly at camera
>"Zero is YOU, Delta!"
>Eric immediately tells him it's ridiculous and says something to the effect of "how could HE be evil?"
>Camera changes and we see Delta for the first time
>Ancient, super tall, perpetually scowling man in a wheelchair dressed in all black with weird high-tech glasses and black and purple eyes
lmaoooooooooooooo
The symbols on the Slot Machine in the Rec Room represent the 999 cast and their original bracelet numbers.
A chronological order for the events of every team could be useful. I mean, having the different time that each team got in their bracelet.
Why was there no final puzzle room? The game just takes a shit on you by turning the last few hours into nothing but cutscenes and exposition.
Game had potential but they ruined it.
1)Q should have been kid, no wheelchair Zero.Q's real identity was Kyle in generic blank Left's clone body.Kyle's latent ability was body takeover and shift from Sigma genes.
2) Zero should uave present more and contacting them during the game.
3)More gruesome and fucked up games.
4)Carlos,Q/Kyle and Sigma should have been protags, ONLY SHIFTERS aside Phi.
5)Phi is Zero's daughter, she was working for him.
6)Whole point of the game was to make Carlos,Kyle and Sigma strong enough to allow Kyle resonate to be able to hijack random body and save Left from dying in the past.
7)Brother's ability is to tap directly into morphogenetic field and see ALL timelines, data and other stuff.He is more or less omnipotent.
8)Junpei finds out about Quark and becomes depressed.
9)Final ending is Left and Brother being alive in present timeline, they simply end the game but they do not spread the virus which was motivation for espers to try and help him.
Surviors are Carlos, Kyle in Left's body, Sigma who is taking care of Kyle, Phi who goes back to Zero and Akane.
Junpei always kills himself, Mira/Eric were responsible for Left's death and Diana cannot be saved in non VLR timeline.
Humanity is saved.
10)? turns out to be original Left who after dying got trapped in morphogenetic field.
>>344199074
>And 999's ending was a giant mess too
In what way?
>>344200683
rofl
>>344197160
because Gab was Kyle, obviously.
>>344200742
That's pretty cool.
>>344199796
>Akane pulls a knife out of fucking nowhere and lol that's the game folks
kek
>>344200931
My Opinions
Get rid of the transporter
Zero is a Quantum computer enacting the 0th law of robotics, making timelines where humanity lives
>>344193420
>tfw when Carlos is the only halfway-decent character and he gets little change to show it
I feel that.
>The only character whose background doesn't even fit into the plot. He is a random fireman
>Arsonist burns down his house on the exact day he just so happens to finish his training. Really?
>Somehow his SHIFTing powers are far more powerful than Phi and Sigma's
>Besides this, pretty much the only fan theory as to why he's there is because he's the most morally upright and heroic since Delta didn't trust anyone else to be leader
>Looks like he's related to Dio but this goes absolutely nowhere
>Two...Carlos?
>>344199810
> Do you remember that part in VLR where it was mentioned that sending your entire body through time instead of just your consciousness, all using the morphogenetic field, was mentioned? Because I haven't forgotten despite Uchikoshi forgetting
Refresh my memory
>>344200931
Would have been way more satisfying, honestly.
>Sigma comments about "poor Q didn't even see that coming"
>no comment about literally finding glasses like the one Q's had
>>344200931
11. We see how Radical-6 is made and is released in every timeline accept the True Ending.
>>344199642
>Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
Uchi did enough research to know that "teleporter" means "fax machine that shreds the source" and didn't want additional deaths.
>Everyone is okay with Mira being a psychopath and a murderer
>>344201638
Wasn't C-Team the one who found the glasses?
>>344201819
She's even more pointless than Eric in the story. Too edgy.
>>344200742
The SAD MAN wine should have been the preorder bonus.
>>344201819
>she's utterly useless the entire time
>zero lets her roam around randomly killing people because this won't ever hinder his plan at all
>eric doesn't even give a shit she killed his mom
>>344200931
I've seen worse OC donut steel plots but still makes less sense than ZTD
>>344201154
Now THAT would be a good twist. A lot of directions and endings that could come out of it too
>>344200963
Junpei is magically able to go from remembering an eight digit code with a lot of difficulty to straight up communicating across time and space within like fifteen minutes
Also jumps the shark with the morphogenetic field stuff really hard imo and it throws so much at you once he opens the 9 door without explaining any of it very well (lol the q door)
In hindsight it wasn't bad but it just threw everything on the table at once
>>344201107
That is literally how it ends though. Like, I'm not even exaggerating when I say that. It even fucking freeze frames RIGHT BEFORE THE KNIFE HITS PHI AND THEN THE CREDITS ROLL OVER THE FREEZE FRAME. WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING ENDING IS THAT.
There is the epilogue but that's just "lol pls buy zero escape 3 to find out how it ends :^)"
>>344200931
Brother's motive should have been trying to unite humanity through MF for complex reasons. I really wanted him to have an incredibly warped logic behind his "altruism" but not like this!
>>344201391
When describing Brother, it was a point that he could read minds and that he was rumored to be able to send his whole body through time
>>344200931
>Q should have been kid
>>344202278
>That is literally how it ends though. Like, I'm not even exaggerating when I say that. It even fucking freeze frames RIGHT BEFORE THE KNIFE HITS PHI AND THEN THE CREDITS ROLL OVER THE FREEZE FRAME. WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING ENDING IS THAT.
>
>There is the epilogue but that's just "lol pls buy zero escape 3 to find out how it ends :^)"
So that's not how it ends.
>>344199828
Gab can SHIFT too.
>>344202470
!!!
>>344202291
Oh his reasons were complex all right
>>344201819
>Rips Eric's heart out and kills him like four different ways, including once after the Game ends
>Literally chops Junpei into pieces and sticks him in a freezer
>Not only does everyone forgive her but she has a change of heart and decides to TURN HERSELF IN because somehow she is no longer a psychopath
Why the fuck did they try and make her a sympathetic character at the end? She was a serial killer who ruined both Eric and Akane's lives and nobody seemed to mind
>>344202567
Epilogue =/= ending
You =/= smart
>>344201819
she killed more people than Ace and unlike him she did it just for fun
but she has boobs so she gets a pass
>>344202868
you're right I stopped playing ZTD after I won the coin flip and the credits rolled
Anyone have a screenshot of Eric holding the shotgun with the camera behind him?
Need it for reasons
Can anyone explain why nobody was pointing their gun at Delta in the Q-team standoff? Why was anyone pointing at Sean at all since he doesn't have an X-pass?
>>344200890
Nevermind I forgot about this.
>>344201819
>>344202970
I don't think the characters were actually okay with it, they were just so busy with escaping an underground death chamber that they weren't really thinking about it at the end. I'm sure once they reached civilization, they would've turned her in if she hadn't done it herself.
>>344203234
Because Sean was the one with the weapon and Q was just sitting there presumably not able to see or hear anything
>>344203204
Wow those two things are completely equivalent. Good job you did it
>>344203234
>why nobody was pointing their gun at Delta in the Q-team standoff?
>pointing a gun at a blind and deaf old man in a wheelchair
>>344203234
Q's unarmed so I figured he's not much of a threat and should keep their eyes on the ones with weapons.
>>344191609
No. ZTD is good but it is the worst of the trilogy. Play the previous games before you play ZTD.
So I wasn't in the AX thread since I was actually at the panel, what was /v/'s reaction to Uchikoshi saying he used the same twist twice because he wanted to share it with a wider audience?
>>344203387
>>344203393
Yes but their goal was to kill one and get an X-pass. Why not kill the harmless old man?
>>344200904
That's my gripe as well. And then the game shows you some videos for 2 hours before you even get the first escape room. Pacing in this game was way too complex for my tastes.
>>344203234
I don't think a blind deaf guy in a wheelchair is dangerous. I won't point a gun at him where there's an unstable guy with a grenade launcher.
>>344183482
>those glasses
10/10 you are awesome
>>344203614
>Yes but their goal was to kill one and get an X-pass
What if their goal was to not get killed?
If Q is "blind and deaf", how could he follow or look at anyone?
>>344203817
COMPLEX
TWO CARLOS
or
ALIENS
You can only choose one.
>>344203817
He isn't, they just thought he was.
>>344203554
Eh. I just hope he breaks the habit.You better not be one of those assholes who cut in line.
>>344203614
Sean literally does when you put Delta's name in.
Eric is too freaked out about him to think about Q and Mira probably doesn't give a shit
>>344203554
Which twist was that? What a load of crap
Any other really egregiously bad answers?
>>344203817
The amazing glasses he was wearing to see the whole damn facility.
Wait, to everyone who said that they're disappointed because there's no Kyle in the game. How the fuck does Kyle be able to get into the test site in the first place? Espers can only SHIFT into their own body to the past, right? And Kyle didn't even born until Sigma arrived on the moon.
>>344203991
I haven't played Ever17, but apparently VLR has a similar twist.
>>344191042
Yep, most apparent in the timeline where Carlos puts the moves on Akane, we don't get to hear the whispering between them. We also miss the discussion when they "clean" the glass behind the bar.
>>344203950
Is this a trick question? Of course I'll take two Carlos.
>>344204001
And yet the point of the epilogue in VLR was that it somehow happened
GUESS IT DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE UCHIKOSHI
>>344203980
I didn't cut in line, I waited in it for about an hour.
>>344204001
VLR secret ending bro
>>344203817
Because everyone is stupid and missing the point: lol nobody knows
Probably used MIND HAKKU to make that beta bitch Eric push him everywhere and then sat in a corner and jerked off to the security tapes of Diana and Sigma banging while the other three slaughtered each other
>>344204001
>How the fuck does Kyle be able to get into the test site in the first place?
Doesn't matter how. Old Akane said he would.
It's Uchi's job to explain it, not mine.
>>344204001
But Kyle's a clone, right? Maybe he can SHIFT into Sigma's body. After all, everyone was SHIFTing into their transported bodies, which are essentially clones.
>>344204089
Oh, that one. Yeah, that retroactively made me like VLR less when I played E17 and saw how blatant it was.
At least that wasn't the big reveal of E17, though. That's just the beginning of the insanity
>>344204001
Kyle shares the same DNA as Sigma because he's his clone. I thought that would somehow play into the plot.
>>344204089You are not the person you thought you were and you find out when you find a mirror.IMO, I don't think they're THAT similar.
>>344201819
Well that was mostly in an alternative timeline. There should also be a timeline where Junpei kills Akane for no reason unless free will and timeline splitting only occur during magical DECISION GAMES. Either way the plot does not work, nor has it ever consistent in any way.
>>344204001
They have a fucking transporter. They could transport his body back into the past no problem. I wonder why he didn't use his Deus Ex Machina even more.
>>344204001
They took the secret ending in VLR directed to the player far too literally.
>>344204001
We were told that he jumped into ?'s body, "in a manner of speaking", to fulfill an important mission at the Mars test site that was the very reason he was created.
>>344204208
Well, okay then.
>>344204284
DELETE THIS
>>344204424
>everyone was SHIFTing into their transported bodies
Where is this implied? You never see anybody shift into ayyy copies.
Is there a compilation of post ZTD Q&A? I heard there was going to be some.
>>344203980
I came in like 10 minutes late. Or was it that I came in really late and was part of the last batch to get in.
>>344204792
Yeah
Q: Uchikoshi why did you fuck everything up
A: I hope you rike it
>>344204756
Okay, maybe they didn't, but at the very least, the original bodies were able to access the memories of the transported ones. I think there's potential there to SHIFT into a clone.
Memes
>>344191319
>unsheathes axe
That stance cracks me up every time
>>344203950
The alien thing hurts my soul, but the possibilities that the two Carlos thing creates both disturbs and delights me. It's canon regardless of whether or not it was intended, and the fact of the matter is that the 2nd Carlos is absentee from our original's life. No more sister, no more job...really makes you wonder what he ends up doing or what he becomes.
You can make only three ZTD characters survive.
Go.
Carlos.
Sean
Eric.
>>344204615
So how was I supposed to take the whole Kyle going into the past thing?
>>344195519
Both are great, but different execution of similar concepts. The cases in DR are easier, so it may be better to start with it, but AA is definitely the better series up until DD.
I'd start with AA first, grab the trilogy pack of the first three games.
>>344204462
It's more than that, it's
>the MC looks in a mirror and realizes that not only are they someone they didn't think they were, but the player is actually the person responsible for orchestrating the entire plot and there is a significant time difference between when you are led to believe the game takes place and when it actually takes place revealed through this
>>344203554
He sounded pretty arrogant, saying stuff like that using a twist in a popular work cements it as his idea and that he wants people to know that the twist is his.
>>344204284
>phi.jpg
>>344204953
Gab
Phi
Diana
>>344204982
After playing VLR you played ZTD which happened 9000 years before.
>>344204951
But.....it was SECONDARY Carlos who came for Akane/Junpei.
He was in Fireman outfit.
So secondary Carlos also started working as Fireman.
>>344204792
https://docs.google.com/document/d/119KAG03eZU_LINfXzW8_S_qADh91Qm0OgzhiX1EIPS4/edit
