Nintendo explains what the fuck has actually been happening with Pikmin 4
http://www.vg247.com/2016/07/07/nintendo-explains-whats-happening-with-pikmin-4/
Discuss.
So it's not an NX launch title?
Okay
>Nintendo
>actually even know what theyre doing
Kek please, they have no idea whats going on anymore, like a senile old grandpa
Pikmin HD Trilogy for NX when
How about they explain what the fuck happened to Pikmin 3?Oh wait I know what happened it got butchered thanks to Nintendo's regressive notions of innovation.
Can it please be good like Pikmin 2 and not mediocre like Pikmin 3?
Collecting real world knick-knacks was the best part of Pikmin.
mfw it's worse than 3
they explained nothing
>>344169589
Finally we get some info on why it's been completely quiet. I hope it's not more complicated than what they said in that. Also I hope it's more like Pikmin 2 or at least has a Piklopedia of some form, loved that in Pikmin 2.
>>344169589
Nigga they did pretty much this same thing with Pikmin 3, only they first announced they were working on it in 2007 and it didn't release until 2013. I'm not expecting Pikmin 4 until 2020 at the earliest.
>>344169964
Would buy on an instant, but only if they fixed the aiming in the 3rd one
>>344170415
>>344170641
>>344170852
What's wrong with 3?
>>344170852
i miss the president.
>>344172997
It's not that anything's wrong with 3, only that 1 and 2 are a lot better. 3 lacks the charm and difficulty that made 1 and 2 a lot more memorable. 3 makes up for it in its own way though.
>>344171926
Yeah, that is true. Miyamoto got caught at E3 and was all "YEP WE'RE MAKING IT" but didn't even announce the fucking thing until 2012.
Pikmin 3 was great, though it did have some flaws. It was too easy to survive since there was a lot of fruit around and there weren't enough unique enemies. At least there wasn't any slow grinding for special pikmin though, which would be the major flaw in 2.
>colour splash has priority over pikmin 4
>>344175216
>things that weren't said
Color splash's dev team has little crossover with the pikmin dev team.
Nintendo has lately made it a point of theirs to never make a formal game announcement until it's far along enough to guarantee it's release.
Which is why you never see them cancelling projects in spite of enormous "fan backlash" like Color Splash or Federation Force.
>>344172997
Apparently nothing judging by the fact nobody has said why other than vague statements you could say about anything. Probably just shitposters.
>>344169589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ihknTHRZ1k
just add this back in and i'll be happy.
>>344175425
I thought the Pikmin dev team was Mario and Zelda devs working on it on their free time
>>344177869
hey faggot
>>344174779
>>344174167
aren't shitposters. They didn't even say the game was bad, just the worst of the three.
>>344177964
It is but the paper mario series is Intelligent series not the standard mario team.
>>344178059
Fuck i meant Intelligent Systems
>>344177964
I'm pretty sure the Pikmin team is the NSMB team, not mainline mario.
>>344178003
What I said still stands, I've never seen people provide a reason to why they feel this way.
>>344178003
People who like Pikmin 2 over 1 and 3 have shit taste. Purple Pikmin break the game and caves are shit.
Also newsflash, the WaterWraith is shit.
>>344175216
Think about it like this, they want Zelda to get the forefront attention and then it'll be released afterwards to get it's own attention with the Zelda game's hype being gone/lowered.
>>344178003
People think that just becasue Pikmin 2 is long, its objectively the best one. Theres no strategy in 2 and theres no tension in losing pikmin or collecting treasure since you literally have all the time in the world to do anything. The day limit might as well not even exist.
>>344178452
DE-DELETE THIS
>>344178452
I like all the games.
For me its 1 >> 2 = 3
>pikmin 4 didn't fit in their list of priorities
BUT FUCKING COLOR SPLASH, AND POWER TENNIS, AND AMIIBO FESTIVAL DID??!? THIS COULD HAVE BEEN THE WII U'S SWANSONG, BUT THEY LET IT ROT WITH STICKER STAR 2
>>344178636
I would agree 1 is better, but 2 still has a lot of good stuff such as the cave bosses (and caves in-general) and the multi-tasking partners.
>>344178883
>le all games are made by the same team XDD
>>344178883
>HURR HOW DUZ DEV TEEMS WURK? TELL ME BOUT TEH RABBITS, GEORGE.
You might be retarded.
>>344169589
BRING BACK THE PIKLOPEDIA
>>344178636
I won't disagree with your points, but I still really liked the exploration and caves the most from 2. To be fair, 30 days wasn't exactly a tight time rush in the first pikmin, and pikmin 3 gives you so much fucking juice you could play pikmin 2 10 times over if it had the same amount of juice.
I think if they added some caves to pikmin 3 it would have been the perfect balance. I think pikmin 2 had a bit too much focus on them, but three could have used something to give you a diversion from the short as fuck campaign.
>>344178452
Fuck you fag, the only way purples break the game is if you farm them like a faggot
2 > 1 > 3
1 is too easy and not enough variety, 3 is a casual fest.They are all good.
>>344179554
Nigga, it takes like 10 purple pikmin to completely rape everything.
>>344178452
While Purple Pikmin are OP I love the amount of content it has & the items you collect are real cool to pick up with it being real-world stuff. Also the challenge comes from the hazards (and Bulbears) mostly which Purple Pikmin can still be vulnerable to, it's what I died to the most anyways. People who like Pikmin 2 simply have different tastes since both Pikmin 1 & 2 are great for different reasons. They tried balancing Pikmin 1 & 2 out in 3 but it came out more like 1 in my opinion which isn't a bad thing, but I would've definitely preferred a Pikmin 2-esque game more. At the very least they could've added the Piklopedia to it. I will say the atmosphere was probably the best Nintendo has had in a long time in a game, I really adored it, especially when it rained.
By the time I got all the fruit in 3 and made enough juice to last. I was disappointed that there was nothing left to do with all that extra time.
>>344179675
Perhaps, but in 1 Pikmin are so easy to get that it doesn't matter when they die, and in 3 Rock pikmin are just as good without the 10x1 weight carry, which is okay because it makes caves that are actually hard less tedius if you ever lose to many pikmin, considering 2's bosses are the hardest.
At least if a purple/white dies it feels like it actually matters.
>>344180063
I was disappointed also, I had like 70-80 days left worth of fruit. It doesn't help they mention they left Louie behind again on the gamepad on the save menu after you beat the game. I feel a lot of their focus was on the mission mode.
>>344177869
More like
>blah blah blah blah DIALOGUE blah blah blah blah CUTSCENES instead of log entries that you can read at your own leisure
>forced gamepad integration
>soundtrack as unmemorable as 2, game itself is as short and simple as 1
>>344179283
Do you have the gif of Miyamoto not throwing a Pikmin plush into the crowd?
>Pikmin 4 at least will have photorealistic graphics on the NX
I'll take it.
>>344180450
>Louie died on his way back to PNF-404.
>>344178883
The Wii U's swan song will be Zelda
>>344179878
Pikmin 2 kind of threw away a lot of the identity of Pikmin. What I like about Pikmin 3 is that they made the areas bigger without removing the time limit(Pikmin 2 dungeons), made the multiple captains extremely useful and the Gamepads use makes both managing three player characters and exporing the much larger maps better.
Pikmin 3 was a proper improvement of Pikmin 1's formula. Whereas Pikmin 2 compromised with the cave/dungeons stopping time.
>>344180827
>Implying Louie could die so easily
Don't forget he's the "King of Bugs".
>>344181741
I can agree with Pikmin 3 being a more proper follow up to 1, it's like I said, both games (1 & 2) are pretty different & it's up to different tastes if someone prefers 2 over 1 & 3. I just wish they balanced the 2 games out better in 3 like they said they were trying to do.
Also another I issue I have with 3 is the length. With the fruit making the time limit basically 99 days (if I'm remembering that correctly) the game could've been much much longer, I beat it about as fast as my first Pikmin 1 run.
I have a decently-sized Pikmin folder. I always liked the series, it's comfy. Shame they're delaying the game. I just wish they were more up front about its destination platform and release schedule.
The challenge mode in pikmin 3 is much better than 2.
I'm surprised they are developing another Pikmin game so quickly. Seems like they don't generate that hype, which is bullshit for a series with such an immaculate track record.
>>344183817
It's basically something Shiggy makes because no one is allowed to tell him no.
>>344183161
I agree, for me it's
1 > 3 > 2, only because Pikmin 2's Level Design is SHIT.
>What do we put on this floor?
>I don't know, a bunch of fucking Larva Cannon Beetles.
>>344183817
>Seems like they don't generate that hype
Partially because they keep getting announced in such shitty, off-handed ways
>>344185550
Don't forget the randomly generated map for the floor so you have shit stuck beyond your reach and lots of walls protecting dead ends for you
>>344186247
I'm pretty sure the Challenge Mode isn't randomly generated at all in Pikimin 2. It's horrible in the main-game though, I heard of others having things out of reach due to it but in my playthroughs of it (which are like 4, maybe 5) never had it happen.
>>344177869
>literally absolutely 0 challenge compared to two and one, electricity doesn't even effect pikmin anymore when it used to be the only way you'd have squads wiped out
>no caves or actual length to the story mode
>design choices that bring variety and depth to gameplay like the bulbs have been butcherd
>lack of enemies and piklopedia that made you seem like you were exploring a planet and learning about new things
>no treasures to pick up, just fruits
>incredibly short
>the sole thing that made previous pikmin games fun, that c stick storm mode that let you control your pikmin and line them up to swarm an enemy, has been removed for an auto "attack" button.
>lock on is a thing, removing all the fun and challenge of having to actually aim at things you were throwing pikmin at while avoiding their attacks
>days restriction is back because everyone knows how shitty exploration is and how great time limits at all times are
>bosses were shitty and not as fun as the "parent of the standard enemies you were fighting" bosses of pikmin 2.
it was a horrendous sequel, the worst pikmin game and literal trash compared to what pikmin 2 did. it was 1 step forward 2 steps back in every sense of the statement.
2 > 1 > 3
Which Pikmin creature would you keep as a pet?Let's assume that most aren't completely mindless, and are capable of affection and such.
>tfw poorfag so I haven't played Pikmin 3 yet
>copies are like 80 bucks if you can even find one
>>344187264
Hot opinions, OP
Nice pic you found, too!
>>344180828
except it's not a wii u exclusive
>>344187753
You could get the one with the large choice pics on it for like twenty
>>344187753
Get the Nintendo Selects print?
>>344187753
>Amazon has it for 35 dollars
Retard
>>344187925
>>344187943
>>344188130
Well shit, last time I checked copies were hard to find
Guess I'm just retarded
>>344187264
>literally absolutely 0 challenge compared to two and one
This is actually a good thing. Pikmin 1 and 2 were way too hard for Nintendo games, I could never beat them as a kid.
>>344188373
That's okay anon. If it makes you feel any better it actually is hard to find any of the 3 games here in the UK.
>>344187593
Red Bulborb all the way
>>344188615
>Pikmin 2
>hard
There's no time limit, what was hard?
And besides, not all Nintendo games need to be easy.
>>344187593
i find the breadbugs oddly cute so i would have one of them
>>344188615
>>344188615
Considering neither you nor I are children currently (though you are probably a manchild given that you were mentally handicapped as a kid -- no one else had trouble with those games), I don't see why "how easy it is for kids to play game" is a criteria worth mentioning.
Even if you did have a point, it only highlights Nintendo's decades long issue of refusing to put more than one difficulty level in a game.
>>344187264
>I want a carbon copy of pikmin 2 autistic collectation with no time limit for this RTS game reeeeeee
>>344187593
Spotted Jellyfloat
>>344189395
>I want a carbon copy of Pikmin 2 but with everything that made Pikmin 2 good removed.
>>344187593
I'd start a Garden with this guy
>>344189847
I take mine back. I want a mamuta
>>344187264
Pikmin 3 is very similar to Sticker Star now that I think about it
>>344187264
The way that Pikmin 2 worked meant that there was hardly any challenge (aside from working towards Louie's pikpik cutscene) as you could restart from the current floor and not plan ahead due to the time limit. Pikmin 1 required you to plan, and the Pikmin 3 challenge missions are fucking ridiculous to platinum.
In spite of this, Pikmin 2 is my favourite Pikmin game due to the sheer amount of content. That's why I'm so excited for four.
>>344190164
Ok, I can get how Pikmin 3 can be someone's least favorite but it's no where near similar to that shitty game.
>>344172997
>>344177869
Too easy and not as fun as 2 or as challenging and replayable as 1. Additionally the use of the gamepad felt clunky and forced in because the wii nunchuck already works perfectly for pikmin.
>>344169589
>Putting Pikmin 4 on the back burner makes some sense with the Nintendo NX console in development.
yeah god forbid the NX actually had exclusive launch titles
>>344190919
>because the wii nunchuck already works perfectly for pikmin.
>he played the wii versions
You have no room to talk about which is best.
>>344191797
I never played the wii versions. I only used the nunchuck for 3 and found it to be superior.
>>344187593
Probably Watery Blowhog.Don't why anyone would pick a red bulborb when hairy bulborbs exist.
>>344193703
Probably because if anything spooks them you have piles of hair to deal with
>>344187593
Can you imagine putting a little sweater on it for the cold winter months?
Too cute.
>>344187264
You are correct.
So it is NX launch or not
>>344187264
>he didn't play challenge mode
>he's pretending not having a strict day limit is goodness
>He's pretending shoving you in a cave is what Pikmin is about
I fucking have 2 fags
>pikmin 2 is bad cuz no time limit!!!
Pikmin 2 is GOOD because of no time limit.
>People are pretending that 3 is bad for having a arcade style design
>Yet love 2 for not being a Pikmin Game
>>344187264
>"I don't actually like Pikmin, I just like Pikmin 2's unpikmin-like elements"
That's not even your image is it?
>>344187593
i'd like to own one of these little shits. only problem they would blow my papers everywhere.
>>344197393
>>344197861
>>344198313
ITT: people who want to defend their buyer's remorse for getting tricked into paying for 3. How do you defend a game that has less than half the content of its predecessor.
>Less enemy and enemy variety
>took away pikmin types instead of adding
>Easier and much shorter
>No caves
And worst of all no piklopedia. The world feels alot smaller and feels less fleshed out than 2.
>>344198871
>The world feels alot smaller and feels less fleshed out than 2.
Pikmin 2's world is tiny. The actual above ground areas are threadbare and the "meat" of the content are stuffed into holes in the ground with generated dungeons. It's so artificial.
Pikmin 3 feels like an actual world and adventure.
>>344170641
3 was so much better than 2 which was shit. What are you smoking?
>>344199439
No especially when 3 has less than half the enemy variety 3 had.
>>344199769
3 was while a good game mostly a step back from 2.
>>344199439
The randomized dungeons did make it feel like an adventure though.
>>344199439
There were randomized dungeons? I played many times and all dungeons had the same layout every time. Unless my memory is fucking up.
>>344201640
Some have randomized floors. There were quite a few that were always the same though.
>>344187593
Can I keep a hundred pikmin in an empty fishtank? Kinda like an ant farm but cooler
>>344198871
Are you seriously arguing that 2 is harder than 3? At least 3 you can challange yourself to see how quick you can gather resources in challange mode and the story, and there is actual strategy to it, unlike 2's challenge mode where everything is just placed wherever.
Purple Pikmin literally take out any of the game's would have challenge. That Water Wraith you guys clamor about is a fucking joke and you'd have to be an idiot for it to actually kill your pikmin and by the tie you can fight it, it goes own in like 10 seconds. The same goes for all the bosses, including its bastardization of pikmin 1's boss. All of them go down in seconds with the help of spicy spray and purple pikmin.
Pikmin 2 is not what a pikmin game should be.
>>344203496
Yeah 2 is harder kid. I guess you also think FFTs is easy because you can use broken shit on your team. And once again 3 is boring as fuck do to the lack of enemy variety and no piklopedia. I also guess you forgot the fact that things like electricity can one shot your pikmin in 2 and the fact that your captains couldn't solo shit like they can in 3.
>>344204013
Sorry m8. I like Pokemon 2, I agree there's more enemy variety and the piklopedia was great,and the music was cool, but overall I think pikmin 3 is a step in the right direction of what pikmin 4 should be
>>344205396
As long as there is more enemies a piklopedia and maybe some caves Pikmin 4 could he a carbon copy of 3.
>>344203496
This.
Although, while challenge mode is amazing, I don't think 3's main campaign is anything hard. Worst part is the failed juice mechanic that gave out supplies to the point where it was no diffrent than 2's endless timer. If the next game has fruit they need to make them less available or add a difficulty setting that makes you loose juice faster.
>>344170852
but 3 was the best.
>>344209093
>I don't think 3's main campaign is anything hard
it's not hard
but neither is 2's
being 20 hours longer does not mean it is harder
>>344197698
Pikmin 2 is bad because it's fucking boring shit
the lack of time limit also hurts it, but it's not the biggest problem
>>344188908
Not OP, but managing a depleting squad of Pikmin in caves became nervewracking.
Pikmin Wallpaper.
GO
>>344169964
>more remastered shits
Please kill yourself.
>Pikmin 3 was shit
so much shit taste as always /v/
I bet you enjoyed playing with the broken fucks that were Purple and White
>muh randomized caves
>muh unlimited time
fucking casuals
>>344211227
it was tedious as hell.
>pikmin are too low to actually explore at a fun pace
>sit and wait around candypop buds to min/max pikmin gains, scout ahead in areas with just olimar or maybe olimar and one pikmin so you can divebomb dwarf bulborbs
>or just go through to the exit as only olimar because there's no pieces on this level
>or you can just reload from a save
>or you can just do the cave tomorrow
game was so fucking easy and so fucking boring
>>344191797
>>344190919
Take the controls from GCN and add the aiming from 3. You now have perfect Pikmin controls
>>344187593
Mamuta
>>344187593
This fuck
>>344213794
those lips
>>344212597
>>344212885
3 was easier than 2 fuccbois especially since 2 had more difficult enemy design and encounters.
Fuck Pikmin. What the hell happened to Retro's new project?
>>344214228
Moved to NX, duh.
>>344214185
>3 was easier than 2 fuccbois
AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY
I COULD BEAT PIKMIN 2 WITH 25 PURPLES AND 25 WHITES
ENJOY YOUR RANDOM CAVES FAG
>>344214297
Obviously, but why haven't we heard shit about it in over two years?
>>344214526
Nintendo usually doesn't announce things until they have something to show for it. When they do you get shit like Zelda U that was revealed too early.
>>344179675
More like 15, but ye. Their rarity kinda made up for it to be honest though. That being said, Rock Pikmin are Purple Pikmin done right.
>>344214526
Because typically you don't show off your game until you've got something. It being an NX game means they definetely won't talk about it until Nintendo reveals the hardware.
>>344214526
When did Retro ever talk about their games before the official announcement?
>>344179878
Holy shit, are you me?
>>344214454
>LOL I BEAT 3 IN ONE DAY BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY SHALLOW AND SHORT AS SHIT
Two can play at this game.
How to fix caves in Pikmin: make the pod that goes down with you have a certain amount of energy, forcing you to leave after it runs out. You are to able to go pack to the cave the next day, when the research pod is fully recharged.
>>344215120
I'd argue that 2 is the more difficult campaign if you don't abuse shit, but 3 provides the most challenge solely due to challenge mode. It's the greatest addition to the series.
>>344215565
their level design process also needs to be completely redone from the ground up to not be complete garbage. The lack of time pressure wouldn't really be a big deal except that they let that justify making dozens of stages that are just the same thing over and over again.
>>344216586
>if you don't abuse shit
so if you ignore shit parts of the game it isn't shit anymore?
wow
most features added to 2 are easily abusable and make the game incredibly simple to play. most features added to 3 make the game easier to complete, but increases the complexity of an optimized run by huge factors to create a nearly limitless skill ceiling.
What should I emulate the Pikmin games on? I want to replay all of them
I actually own Pikmin 3 (I think? the one with the eggplant pikmin sumos and random caves) and have a Wii, it's just all packed away and I'm lazy
>>344217089
Nevermind I'm retarded, 1 and 2 are both on the GC so that means Dolphin, and 3 is on the Pii U
>>344169589
Does anyone have faith that Pikmin 4 will be good after Star Fox Zero?
I just know Miyamoto will fuck it up somehow
>>344217326
>Pii U
Are you 5?
>>344202367
thats cruelty
way to small for pikmin would have to be atleast 4 feet long by 3 feet wide to make them atleast a little comfy
>>344199965
reminder that alot of enemy variety was just different varriations of the same enemy just a different typing as to what pikmin it affects
>>344204013
>captains couldn't solo shit like they can in 3.
How terrible are you? 3's captains can't kill a fucking Pellet Posy, but Olimar/Louie can kill Cannon Beetle larva in 20 seconds
>>344217021
This has got to be bait
>>344216759
Having actually designed sublevels should fix that. Actually put some thought in them Myamoto. Make them themed, go wild.
stop pretending like pikmin is anything substantial. yes it's fun, yes it's a game to play if you are bored, it's not some absolute classic that's going to define a console.
>>344218332
I'll get one of those ridiculously large custom wall mounted ones then
>>344218774
>no fun allowed
>>344218774
>Having this shit taste
Believe it or not, people like Pikmin, anon.
>>344218774
Pikmin 1 did define the Gamecube
>>344216586
Challenge mode has been a thing since the first game, it's not new
>>344218598
2 still had more unique species than 3 had even with excluding elemental types
>>344218609
No
>>344218946
Captain Ginyu?
they explained nothing
I hope they make hazards kill as fast as they did in the first game
Story of Pikmin 4:. Since Louie has been left behind again, Olimar !just go back to PNF-404, but can't do it alone, so he recruits Alph, Brittany and Charley to help him find Louie. Due to Chocolate Freight being under fire for leaving Louie behind yet again, the president is forced to sell their riches gained from Pikmin 2's escapades to pay off lawsuits and and keep the company afloat. An activated president sends olimar off to find more treasure to pay off yet another debt. They first start their journey on PNF-404 by relocating the wreckage of the Chocolate Ship that was crashed in Pikmin 3 to salvage the research pod. The pod is used to collect treasures beneath the ground in caves, but can only stay there for a fixed amount of tie due to being somewhat damaged. The research pod and the SS DRAKE also bicker a lot and but heads, due to there being two acting computers guiding the explorers. You collect fruit above ground to give you juice to stay alive while on the planet, but due to the events of Pikmin 3, most of the fruit has been taken, causing there to be less fruit and thus a more strict time limit.
So when am so hired, Nintendo?
Nintendo is such absolute garbage lmao
Pikmin 3 is just perfection for me if you play the off-screen mode. Maybe a little too short, but I really think it's the better of the three.
>>344220347
Fucking auto correct. Using a tablet right now.
>Le mobile poster xDDD
Whatever
>Not an NX title
>Don't show it at E3 anyway
I don't why it was too incomplete to show at E3. Miyamoto is so stupidly fickle that I honestly think he might at least have Aspergers.
Reminder that there are IN FACT carrots that act as Pikmin
>>344222515
>>344222515
>>344222515
Pikmin 4 hopes and dreams thread
>>344178413
it's short as fuck
that's the only problem I ever had with it
oh and it was very easy
>>344172997
Doesn't have the content of 2 nor the challenge of 1. So basically it's just average. It's not a bad game at all, it just happens to be the worst of the 3
>>344221557
They are likely reskins of pikmin made for use while in the Piklopedia.
