Why does everyone hate him and call him useless?
A good genji is an unstoppable nightmare to face and is almost impossible to kill
>>344113189
Literally no one says he is useless, unless a bad player plays him, which can be said about any hero. Fuck off faggot.
>>344113189
because while /v/ talks a big game and would have you think they are all quake pros, when actual balance discussion happens it becomes pretty clear most people here are very casual casuals in practice.
Genji has argueably the highest skill floor in OW (i.e. still not super high) which is well above what most of /v/ can put out. Thus people do shitty can think it means Genji is just shit.
>>344113189
In comp its just easier to assume the person who insta-locked Genji or Hanzo is bad and ask them politely to switch to someone who requires less skill or is generally more helpful. Both can be amazing, but you really need to trust the person behind them.
>>344113189
Give him the monkey dick.
>>344113189
>genji
>good
pick one
>>344113189
Holy fuck I just had the most clutch fucking play. It was an escort mission on defense, I was mei and they were literally 3.2ish away from the goal and I popped my fucking ultimate on ALL OF THEM. Literally every single one of them directly in blizzard and genji ulted too and just sliced them to bits for the penta. It was glorious, best moment in this game so far.
>>344113189
It's a robot ninja. Of course people who use him are going to be to looked down upon.
Also his play style revolves on chaining combos like a real ninja. He's fucking hard to use and most idiots just picked him cause he looks cool.
He has top tier skill ceiling.
But a true master of Genji can probably carry matches and murder everything but a good Tracer and energy beam weapon heroes.
I'm absolutely horrible with him, can anyone give me any tips on how to play him effectively?
>>344113189
Because he gets shut the fuck down by top tier tanks & Mei.
Everyone that plays him thinks they're the unstoppable nightmare type. The vast majority are wrong.
>>344114967
>>344114967
Jump around like an idiot, when you get close or flank someone: right click, melee, dash
>>344117498
sweet mother of god i didn't even know that zaryas ult was a projectile
I have yet to see plays from him good to enough to say he has a high skill ceiling. It's literally e and shift spam and double jumping away when it doesn't work because I'm not retarded you stupid Genji fucks.
>>344117526
basically this, he's so small that people have a hard time shooting him just keep hitting double jump and wall running. Hardest thing is timing your cds so they dont run out when you're in the open.
>>344117498
>only gets kills with several other's help
Teamwork and all that but that's not really helping show anything.
>>344117726
so is mei's robot when she ults
and 76's healing canister somehow
>>344117881
What the fug
>>344116382
>be Mercy, healing Roadhog
>enemy Genji is just dancing around Roadhog, plinking him with shuriken
>Roadhog doesn't even turn around, keeps firing forward
>Genji starts hitting me
>get on the mic, "Yo Roadhog get this Genji off me."
>he fucking whips around and instantly chains the Genji out of midair and kills him
>mfw
>>344113189
Worthless against Zarya.
Worthless against Mei.
Mediocre as fuck against Reaper.
>>344117881
i am scared guys
>>344117898
it's a team game, that's the point.
the only people who you're gonna be killing on your own are other flankers and people are completely unaware of your existence who may or may notherwise kill you anyway. Even then McCree can do that.
>>344118430
There are a lot of heroes that would've gotten more kills without the use of their own ult there.
>>344113189
IMO he is isn't bad at all, it's just that bad players tend to gravitate towards him. He becomes useless if he isn't played right.
>>344118430
Holy shit, I meant to say
And people who are completely unaware of your existence who may or may not kill you anyway.
Also what's going on here >>344117881
>>344118620
No there really aren't and that genji got 3/5 kills 100% by his own damage there.
>>344117881
What the fuck
>>344118620
He probably couldve just gotten left click shuriken headshots instead of using ult, but he probably wanted to seal the deal after that one in a million reflect. Ultimate reflects are great but they hardly ever happen outside of Deadeye. Once you get into higher MMR's the McCree's learn how to hold their ult though.
>>344117498
>multi-canceled swift strikes
Every time, that shit is sex on the eyes.
>>344119068
Watchin it again, ult was the right thing to do
>>344118754
>>344118049
Well, it only makes sense that you know nothing of this natural phenomenon, what we have here is a herd of destitute english gentlemen a very common problem in england they often institute hunting seasons to control the population, but alas the queen breeds often and gives birth to many pls donate to help cull the population of english gentlemen.
>>344119447
for real though
"business men flare giraffe", "business men in grass", and "business men dark road" yield nothing
>>344113189
Because he has less DPS than even mercy?
Because, when 70% of the cast are sneaky flanking faggots, its actually a problem that this particular sneaky flanking faggot does less damage than the other sneaky flanking faggots?
He has a good toolset, he has survivability. But more than half of the chucklefucks that instalock Genji merely use it to preserve some kind of perfect KDA in some inconsequential corner of the map.
Do you know how often I'd see a Genji actually on the objective on offense? Never.
Do you know how often I'd see a Genji ever popping up on the topright of the screen? Never unless dragonblade was up.
When an objective needs to be claimed in 4 minutes, its a big problem when someone on your team takes an entire minute to harass a sniper to death. Its not about how awesome his 1v1 matchup with everyone else is, its about fucking objectives, and Genji players are allergic to that shit.
>>344119634
I have no idea, honestly I'll try looking it up.
Genji is only good at pubstomping noobs. He is literally 1v1 bro the hero.
A well coordinated team wouldn't get picked apart by him 1v1 or spray projectiles at him during his deflect.
>>344119723
While I agree with your point every second that sniper is harassed or dead is another they aren't shooting you in the head.
Genji CAN get on objectives and dodge like a coked up monkey he melts as soon as he gets hit with aoe he can't deflect
Unlike say Winston who can expand dong wherever the fuck he pleases
>>344119862
I've had decent success reflecting Junkrat grenades as they are seldom aimed at you specifically but at groups or your allies
>>344119634
Found it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGwhZRbqyt-/
>people flame me for playing bastion in offence on comp
hes actually really good for clearing out a point with his ult and he completely fucks over reinhardt comps
But I'm just a level 60 shitter so who knows
So are we going to talk about the actual worst hero Zenyatta?
What is his problem? The other 2 healers (Lucio and Mercy) were the most played heroes in the most major tournament in June, while Zenyatta was not played ONCE.
What makes him so bad and how can he be improved?
>HARD MODE, No HP or Movement changes
>>344113189
Signs that a person plays a game casually but thinks they are good:
>a good ____ player would...
>I've never once lost with ______
>I've never once lost to ______ (with ____)
>_____ is a real monster in the hands of a good player
>_____ is fucking cheap
>_____ is fucking OP as shit
>>344120732
his healing rate is laughably fucking bad despite it requiring LOS similar to lucio. Make his healing and discord linger longer when people are outside LOS by like a factor of two and he'd at least be comp viable
>>344120545
cool
Wonder what this has to do with radio head and 9gag though
>>344120732
maybe increase his hp a little bit and his ms 10pts
>>344120732
second discord orb
discord's already +50% damage on an enemy, having two of them could outrank mercy's damage amping capability pretty easy
why is there no way to go invisible on battlenet reeeeeeeeee
>>344117898
>a character in a team game only does well with his team
Such a novel concept.
>>344120973
Oh, it's a song from the new album. Is that the music video or something?
>>344120973
It was posted by radiohead, and one of the links I got when searching was some guy freaking out about it being posted so much to 9gag.
>>344120732
What is 2CP? Two control points?
Overwatch booth when?
>>344121345
Sounds like it, competitive players hate those maps for some reason.
>>344121345
Child pornography.
>>344121476
I thought Volskaya was well liked?
>>344118820
>>344119068
Even Torb puts out enough damage to have killed them all in the same amount of time without popping his own ult on top of it.
>>344113189
Just go winston or even symmetra and he is easy.
>>344121572
>snowball industries
>liked
>>344117498
>Get multi kill
>My warrior spirit BURNS.
>>344120659
I respectfully beg to differ
https://youtu.be/oyUr3a6tbro
>>344118071
10/10 solid fucking tanking
>>344113189
>Using Genji
Why use Genji when Tracer does his job so much better?
>>344121769
what's wrong with it?
>>344117747
Playing him well results in a shit load of ults per round. You haven't seen a good genji.
Tracer is the biggest grab bag for me. I swear I wreck face or just make a 5v6 till I switch.
>>344120732
Do you have the normal graph that shows overall character use?
>>344114263
>pick one
Genji. Time to win the match.
>>344122517
Literally the orange bars and the line graph represent overall usage
>>344121883
Kek
>>344122052
Tracer doesn't have the range or defensive capabilities
>>344122052
Why use Tracer when Reaper does her job so much better?
>>344113189
>Why does everyone hate him and call him useless?
>A good genji is an unstoppable nightmare to face and is almost impossible to kill
>A good genji
Answered your own question
>>344122147
its very easy to bumrush and win 1st point and then immediately go to 2nd point and just spam ults for a free win and the defending team cant respond fast enough
>>344122052
Whenever I play Tracer I really find myself wishing I had any fucking vertical maneuverability whatsoever. Genji can double jump, climb, dash up. Tracer can only really move on the horizontal plane.
>>344122996
But this isn't true. His mobility is negligible. His range is even worse. And he can't harass.
>>344121883
Hue. God, I miss the old vidya meme videos... Whetever happened to that guy who did the Giant Dad Dark Souls one? He still making shit?
how do i mccree effectively
>>344123938
Simple.you don't McCree
>>344123148
Yeah it kind of seems that way. At least it isn't Hanamura or Anubis
What are the Pros' favorite maps?
I don't understand how people can say Genji is good, he's literally the only offense I don't like playing because his overall damage is so mediocre.
>BUT BURST, muh RMB melee dash
>One Reaper shotgun can do up to 140 damage, fucking 280 if you blast someone's head up close
>Soldier 76 can nail someone with a rocket and a 3 headshot burst at the same time for 222 damage, even at range if they're not moving much, love doing that to dipshit widows
>Also Mcree
>MUH EVASION
>Aint shit against people that have played arena shooters or TF2 cause Scouts
>MUH DEFLECT
>Against good players it's only useful for the split second you activate it(only the first time too if you're predictable) then it's just a stall tactic
>MUH FLANKING
>Reaper, Tracer and even Pharah have options to flank too
D.va is to Winston as Genji is to Tracer.
>>344123994
is he really that bad after the nerf
>>344114967
Start watching Taimou
People slpurg over Seagull all day (who is good btw) but compared to Taimou hes childs play. Taimou, Talespin and Seagull are all worth watching if you wanna learn how to Genji. Pay attention to thier flanks, hiw the moge when they're fighting certain targets and which combos they use.
>>344123938
Stun headshots
get really damn good with headshots.
really good.
like flick your wrist and headshot type good. at medium - close range thats 140 damage instantly.
>>344124086
>getting hit
Plus any offense character is light as fuck. Tracer gets 1 shot by most people too.
>>344113189
The character isn't useless, it's the players that are useless. I've seen great Genjis, but he has the largest amount of faggots who are completely garbage with him and do nothing all game.
>>344124086
its because of dragonblade being such an effective ult, and becoming more effective with an allied lucio or zarya,
and yes other ults are amplified by zarya's aswell but dragonblade also ignores rein's shield if he gets vacuumed in
>A good genji
Sure. The problem is that every single retard who plays the game thinks they're "a good genji"
Protip: You aren't.
>>344121986
DIE, DI- UGH
>>344124562
I'm literally better than 90% of all Genji players and I can still safely say he's nothing but a pubstomper, if the enemy has any degree of coordination and the right picks (Zarya, Rein, Winston, all are very often picked) you're just shit out of luck, you're reduced to a fly who annoys the enemy at best.
>>344113189
It's because a majority of genji players are horrible with him
>>344117881
X-Files level shit here, what the fuck
>>344124719
Is this found in battle.net?where?
A good Genji can carry the shit out of a team
unfortunately I've never met that Genji
>>344125030
Overbuff.
>>344122621
Time to post autism more like
I play him occasionally because he isfunbut that's not allowed in Overwatch. Besides that I think he's pretty good at killing Widows when they are on hard to reach platforms.
>>344125298
So Zarya is tsun for genji?
How do I beat genjis that are good
>>344113189
>completely useless outside of his ult
>gets shut down easily while his ult is active
>winston/mei/symmetra shut him down hard
Every time I have a genji in my team we either lose or carry him.
>>344125471
Zarya is a good choice considering he can't deflect the beam and she has a smaller hitbox than say Reinhardt. Roadhog too if you can get the hook combo.
>learn every hero at least on an acceptable level
>except genji
Not to mention someone always pick 1 or 2 of him in pub so I can't even train with him.
>>344125471
Mei and Winston.
>>344125471
Get the fuck back with your team and don't go off alone. He can't do shit to you if you're safely near your tank.
>>344125436
Who knows, till the overbudgeted movie comes out all we have is fanfiction.
>>344117881
All of my wat
>my teams genjis are always useless
>enemy team genjis are godlike
Why
>>344113189
Overwatch is shit and you people should feel terrible in taking part in the current trend in videogames
>>344125298
Wew...
wish I hadn't looked...
>>344124719
>2.82 medals
>six notches in each of the three colors
What?
>>344113189
Genji is the Naruto of Overwatch Characters.
Just like Naruto, he's an agreed upon masterpiece, it's the community surrounding him that is awful.
>>344125957
The manga or the show?
>>344122052
Tracers are mostly nuisances, and selfish ones at that.
>>344125298
>Win rate 53%
>Rank 57 in comp
>Far right side of the bell curve in most of the important areas
>K/D avg 12.8 to 7.2
>13th percentile
H-how are these metrics calculated, again, senpai...? I mean... I know I'm not great, but...fug
>>344120659
Yeah Bastion is surprisingly useful in koth just find a distant snipe spot and wipe the point, forces enemies to either deal with you or get mowed down
>>344113189
What bothers me is I'd like to learn the hero without triggering other players. It's not like I'm using him in competitive or anything.
>>344125957
>Naruto
>materpiece
8/10, obvious b8 and yet I felt compelled to respond
>>344125586
>>344125617
fuck, I hate playing zarya and mei
hog and winston will have to do
Sometimes I play Mercy because someone has to keep the team alive when there are two fucking Genjis. End of the match win or lose someone will bitch about me not having lots of kills or damage. It's the genji player every fucking time. Genji types just don't seem to understand that this is a team game and everyone should play a role. It isn't "The Genji and Friends Show". Genjis will gladly fuck over the whole team to score a potg.
>>344113729
t. genji main
>>344126589
You must have missed the paradigm shift surrounding Naruto. It's no longer cool to hate it. In /v/ terms it's kind of like how the 2nd to last Zelda game is always agreed to be the best.
Who is more annoying
Genji or Tracer?
>>344126508
Don't sweat the KDA, only faggots care about that. It's about impact, if you properly distract the enemy from their big pushes and effectively capitalize when you spot openings, you're golden.
Overbuff stats are just statistical averages, I think, but don't quote me on that.
>>344126886
Tracer by a mile
>>344126886
Tracer is like a mosquito that will not go away.
Genji is like a bee that stings you and dies.
a skilled roy
>>344126886
Genji infinitely.
Tracer is fun to fight against
>>344113189
Because 99.9% of Genji players are garbage and run in and feed the whole game and refuse to change classes, even if it means losing.
>look at stats on overbuff
>final blows for reaper in like 90th percentile
>deaths in top 2 percentile
fuck, I thought I was decent too
>it's like this with most of my other characters
JUST
>>344126886
SHE'S TOO FAST
>>344127004
This analogy deserves a voice.
True, Tracer way harder to keep a track on, also more damaging.
>>344126080
Both, plus some of the filler.
And the movies.
>You've just killed 5 players of the enemy team
>This bitch flies in and presses Q
What is your response?
>>344127465
I fly in and press Q after her team kills 5 players of my team
>>344127465
>>344127465
fuq
>>344127465
Repeat the process.
>>344127465
I'm zarya so I press Q and everyone dies again.
>>344113189
>Why does everyone hate him
When he's on the enemy team
>and call him useless?
When he's on your team
>>344113189
He is a working example of why you shouldn't bring a sword to a gunfight.
>>344127465
Writing a stern letter to Blizzard advising them to revert back to when she could not lock onto a dead person's "soul" to fly towards them.
So we all agree torb is actually an op shit right? Literally all they need to do is make it so when he dies his turret dies. No need to nerf damage or auto snap just do that..problem is he can play recklessly and put out big dick damage all while his op as fuck turret just chills in the corners of hanamura. Just play 2-3 torn and you win.
>>344125298
>90% quick rank on reinhardt and pharah, 87% overall
neat, this seems inaccurate as fuck though because i have like 5 hours of playtime on her
>>344127465
> go reaper or mei
> genji no longer a problem
It's not hard
>>344126886
>Dash dash dash e dash dash
vs
>shuriken, e and circle strafe when you notice him, dash through and more fans
it's a tough choise
>>344121601
his ult is easy to farm.
The whole point to genji is that it's difficult to catch him but if you turn your back he'll assassinate key targets so a good genji that's actually good at evading enemies can distract multiple foes effectively turning any fight itno a 3v5 etc. or keep their healer dead permanently.
>>344127985
Nah. He's pretty worthless if your team is even slightly coordinated. If the enemy team has a Pharah you might as well not even bother building turrets.
>>344118620
>being this retarded
If you put any other hero in the situation that Genji was in pre-ult reflect they would get rekt.
>>344127985
I feel it needs a cooldown on placing it after it gets destroyed. You take it out and he has a new one up while you reload. And you gotta dodge the other 5 people if you're taking on turrets
>Be Reinhardt
>See enemy Gengi activating his ult
>Use Earth shatter on him and proceed to kill him
>Save team from dying
>>344125957
>Naruto
>masterpiece
Maybe if you pretend it ended after the first tournament and even then it's only above average.
>>344125471
Roadhog
he's the yasuo of overwatch
extremely high skill ceiling. a good genji is a nightmare to lane against, but a bad one will go 0-10
>>344127465
send a bunch of salty messages to the enemy team when we lose, complaining about how broken her ultimate is and describing how she is 100% picked in tournaments.
Then inarticulate mashing the keyboard when the inevitable 'git gud' 'gg ez' 'rekt' messages flood in
Then reporting every person on their team
>>344120732
>What makes him so bad
Lucio and Mercy are so good both of them should be on any team at any time and even if they weren't he still doesn't heal fast enough to keep up with the pace of the game.
>how can he be improved
Give him an ammo supply of orbs, probably three, and allow him to mix and match that as he wanted. Or an ult that doesn't require his fragile ass join the frontline.
>>344128174
There is no way to beat 2-3 torb comp on hanamura or volskaya.
>>344125957
>he's an agreed upon masterpiece by kids and shitters
Wow you're right
>>344126886
Tracer.
Genji has too many counters compared to her
How do I reaper effectively? I try to flank and hit from behind but I feel like I'm doing fucking nothing most of the time. If I go in with my team it's just me hitting for minimal damage from a distance. Do I just play him on defense only?
>>344125124
>unfortunately I've never met that Genji
Unfortunately I have, he was not on my team
>>344117498
How can you even tell what's going on in this game
>>344120732
Stealing this from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OKmtjRwMew
Basically, increase the time of his orbs on the target to 10 or 15 seconds.
Give him a better alt fire.
Give him a buff called "balance" whenever he has both orbs out at the same time, increase his movement speed/health/damage.
Increase range on his ult so he doesn't have to go from the back lines to the front then get instant killed as soon as it's over.
>>344128979
you need to think and play like the Grim Reaper.
you need to be the deathly Mist the lurks within their ranks.... reaping souls and karnage....
>>344117881
>that guy who appears next to the car near the end
Fucking spooky
>>344128757
I can think of at least two, skill and strategy.
>>344128757
try shooting them with bullets/rockets.switch to bastion and reinhardt on volskaya and destroy everything while riding hte platform.
>>344128979
reaper does crazy damage to everyone for the most part.Though he has to get in close.Use teleport to get to places and surprise people since they didn't see you.If dying ,wraith to health.Don't ult too randomly occasionly you can ult right after teleporting/wraithing into a group but if its 1 v4 and they aren't shit you'll get shot down before doing damage.Be wary of zarya/reinhert blocking damage mid ult.wrait away from road hog.Use the chaos going around to mess people up.Almost every genji thinks that you'll shoot them so anticipate a block then 1-2 hit them.
>>344129648
oh and wraith away from mei if you start slowing down not much you can do.Pharah counters as well let others deal with her till she's close.Wraith through ults.I never see reapers do this
>>344128979
Focus on tanks and healers if there's a lot of enemies, try to jump down on people or come in from the side, shift away if you lose more health than your enemy, try to use your death blossom only when it comes as a surprise to your enemy and/or when you know they won't have a close exit
He's the most useful to your teammates when you're melting away tanks and healers, but mostly you should learn to frequently phase away when you're in danger
>get my first legendary
>faggy fucking symmetra skin
She has the worst legendaries behind zarya and tracer.
>>344129648
>Almost every genji thinks that you'll shoot them so anticipate a block then 1-2 hit them.
Yeah. Give him 1 or two shots until you hear his reflect, reload, then kill him
>>344113189this is ranked ~50
You cant really play him if there is a Winston on the map though. Or you can but if the gorilla is smart he'll actively hunt you down as soon as he see you, and then you are pretty much useless.
I've also noticed the higher up in rank I get, if they have Mercy+Lucio killing either of them is quite difficult.
>>344130205
the fucker always zips away
lucio is hard to hit too
>>344113189
The problem is there rarley is one.
Most of the time it's just shitters who love ninjas too much.
>>344113189
Because most people who play him are BAD
Like you, you're garbage and keep picking Genji but you aren't good at him so you're dead weight. Fucking retard
>>344123783
You mean OnlyAfro? Yeah, he's still around.
>>344128749
>Give him an ammo supply of orbs, probably three, and allow him to mix and match that as he wanted.
I actually quite like this idea. I think you would have to be really careful with the balancing though.
>>344131909
Although I can relate to this, I also noticed that pulling off those 3-4x resses makes the enemy team really lock on and try and kill you harder.
>>344120659
>phara rockets hurt her
>soldier rockets hurt him
>zarya mortars hurt her as well
Ghostcrawler mains bastion
>>344128056
I love playing roadhog, so genji is never really an issue.
>>344114263
>top overwatch players all have Genji most played with high win rate
Yah but I guess some <50 shitter like you knows better right?
>>344127175
>look up my stats
>bottom 5% Winston
>top 10% Mei
>>344124719
This can't be right, I'm trash with this hero
>Top 1%
k
>>344117498
I too wish I had a pocket Mercy on my ass 24/7
>>344134736
It's for people with the same time played as you I assume.
>>344125957
>Masterpiece
It's not even a Masterpiece in it's own genre and by far not in it's demographic
>>344128331
>He jumps over Eartshatter
>Wasted an ult on a single person.
>>344129648
Every retard hears "Death comes" from a mile away.
>>344113189
Because most of the players you run into are shit with him and only play him cause he's the cool cyborg ninja guy whooooa.
>>344119186
How do you even do that?
>>344119186
sauce please
how do you play this fag on console
I've already maxed my sensitivity and turned aim assist all the way off
>>344135507
You'll absolutely love Shayed
