when did the series peak?
Brawl
3DS/Wii U.
After the roster/content in that game, there's no way to top it.
Melee. What kind of silly question is that? The only people that liked Brawl or 4 are quantity obsessed kids or rosterfags that see merit in more characters or a shitty story mode or 4 tourneyfags that aren't good enough to play melee and are delusional enough to believe 4 is more balanced.
>>344106042
SSB = DeS
SSBM = DaS
SSBB = DaS 2
SSB4 = DaS 3
you decide.
>>344106042
previously it was melee, now its Sm4sh
>>344106447
>Brawl is the best
Sounds about right.
>>344106446
it's a party game.
4 is the best
>>344106594
[ ]hipster with good taste
[ ]cool guy
[]hipster with bad taste
[ ]cool guy with mediocre taste
My favorite way to play Smash is Project M, but otherwise I have a lot of fun with both 64 and Melee.
The single-player content in 4 is mediocre at best and the physics are sluggish as fuck because of the lack of momentum transfer between running and jumping.
melee
>>344106447
Actually
SSB = Arena
SSBM = Morrowind
SSBB = Skyrim
SSB4 = TESO
N64 Smash is really still the best. Least glitches and the comboing is satisfying.
Brawl was the best years of Smash Bros for me. I enjoyed it in the span of its release to pre-Smash3DS launch. I can't go back to it now though but it was funner times than presently with 4.
>>344106147
>Smash 4 roster with Corrin removed
Instant better roster.
>>344106446
It's a party game anon dont take it too seriously
64
>>344106042
Melee, but not because loltournament scene, it's because it was actually a proper balance between casual and competent. It took the fun of 64, and enhanced it without removing any crucial features. Items were fun and crazy, but also fair and balanced in their own ways. Never anything ridiculous like the gust jar.
Brawl took the casualization too far in one direction and neutered the gameplay, and Sm4sh took the casualization too far in another and ruined the stages and items.
A Smash game with 4's roster and balance, Brawl's stage design and side modes, Melee's physics and items, and 64's wacky styling would be the perfect game.
>>344107441
>skipping Daggerfall and Oblivion to make 4 the worst and Melee the best
wew lad
>all future official Smash installments are just going to be benign growths of Brawl
>all future Smash mod projects/Smash-inspired fighters are just going to be benign growths of Melee
>just want a new Smash game that pushes it forward; maybe a 5th special move, grab-teching, veterans get refreshed, whatever
They are all good but can still bust out 64 at any time with bros for a great night. Never leaves the console unless its Mario Kart time.
brawl had modding and was the craziest shit, burning like a mother fucking rocket at the end with project M until that update with the stupid customes and ninja turtles which is when i stopped caring.
it was a fun ride anyways.
>>344108106
Even when taking a videogame so seriously is dumb, he has a point. Melee is a fucking beauty by mistake. If only a proper game with the same mechanics was made with good support and balance
>>344106042
Melee. It was such a tremendous leap in quality. Graphics, music, everything. The game was brimming with content.
I also prefer the semi realistic art style to the more cartoonish look of the brawl and 4.
My little mind was blown when I saw it in Nintendo power and noticed you could actually see the stitching in Mario's Jeans.
Super Smash Bros. Wii U
that roster, son. it's gorgeous
Snake, Bomberman and Shantae would complete it
Project M
>>344108249
Daggerfall doesn't make sense as Melee because it has procedurally generated content and Melee content is character tailored
Daggerfall also doesn't fit 64 because of how massive and unrefined the content was
SSBB could be Oblivion, but Skyrim fits better because they were the peak of popularity for each franchise
>>344108950
>Melee is a fucking beauty by mistake.
Melee was their attempt to have the Gamecube come out with a bang and represent the best of their body of work so far. You don't just accidentally make a great game. They put a lot of work into it and it shows.
Roster: Smash 4 with PM at close second
Gameplay: Melee
Fun: Smash 4and PM
Singleplayer: PM
Biggest leap in quality: Melee
I think Melee peaked at competitive and Smash 4 did everything else.AKA Melee wins
>>344107220
>lack of momentum transfer between running and jumping.
Well you play megaman so that should be fine by you
>>344109920
Smash 4 has too much filler adverts while cutting too many actual allstars
PM's roster is by far the best
I like melee simply because it feels faster and more agile.
It also has my favorite music of the series and the amount of polish is incredible.
>>344109983
I "main" Mega Man because if I'm not going to play a smash game for the gameplay, I'll play it for the fanservice.
>>344110039
>cutting too many actual allstars
Like who?
>Wolf
>Ice climbers
>Not C Listers
>>344106042
When you grew up
>>344106147
The problem with Smash 4 is the stages aren't as good as the rest of the series.
>>344110039
I agree, however besides Rosalina, Dark Pit and fucking Lucina Smash 4 has Ryu, Cloud and the best Mewtwo in the series.
PM has Snake, Wold and ICs and literally the best alts in any fighting game ever made.
I'd say it's pretty arguable.
>>344110092
It was just a joke about megaman games not having jump momentum
>>344110146
Stages don't matter, only characters matter
>>344110207
>and the best Mewtwo in the series.
That's PM
>>344110146
Really? Seems about the same ratio to me, counting 3ds and wiiu as separate of course.
You got good stages like gamer and town and city and shitheaps like orbital gate.
Just like how melee had good stages like fountain and awful stages like icicle mountain. And brawl had yoshis island and hanenbow
>>344106042
Melee is the best in terms of gameplay. Not even a tourneyfag but weight and feel of it makes it really fun to play. Things like floaty jumps and losing your momentum from running and jumping in the new games feels like trash.
>>344109983
>momentum transfer between running and jumping
>>344110140
Because [generic anime swordsman] and [generic waifu bait] are much better then a NES icon and one of Nintendos most popular villians
>>344110379
Isnt mewtwo only okay in the latest version?
He's actually really, really good in 4 now
>>344110379
I meant visually wise.
If we go for movesets then holy shit PM wins by a mile, Lucario, Mewtwo, Lucas, everyone is fun as hell.
Project M is Melee butthurt the game.
>>344110571
PM has actual balance, so mewtwo is just as good as anyone else
>>344110671
1.1.6 is pretty balanced. There's obvious tiers but the gaps are pretty small
i'm glad we can all agree on this
>>344110758
No, it's still broken af. The balance issues just get mitigated by 2 stock matches and rage
>>344110830
>Melee bias due to competitivefags
>Smash 4 that high with literally NO single player content
>Brawl was the best in every single aspect but competitive
Why do we deal with competitivefags still.
>>344110053
I like Ganondorf and Falcon because I can actually use shield cancels with them. I've never been able to utilize the speed of shield canceling with a fast character like Shiek. My brain just can't go that fast. I used to wreck my m8s so hard with Ganondorf. We would do 3v1s and I still beat them.
>>344110909
Ok. Who's the clear #1 character in the game? Who's the worst?
>>344110570
>implying wolf wasn't fanservice furrybait
Now they sucker in the furfags with pokemon.
>>344108408
>maybe a 5th special move
how?
back-b?
>>344110998
Melee is fun as fuck casually thoughI can't speak for everyone but I played Brawl when I was a teenager as a casualIt wasn't that fun
>>344110998
The fact that SSB4 consumed Brawl's playerbase should show you how bad Brawl was. The fact that Melee still has a strong playebase after 15 years should show you how good it was. 64 and SSB4 are inbetween, position arguable.
>>344106042
Sm4sh has a better graphics style and better gameplay for non-meleefags. But that aside, it felt they were trying to advertise their games more than anything else. Almost every new stage is from a new Wii U/3Ds game. This applies for characters as well. There's lot of variated Nintendo characters from various franchises. Yet there's a shit-ton of anime swordmen that few people care about.
There's also a lack of new modes. Where the fuck is the story mode? Randomly beating hordes/giant/metal of random characters is not that fun. The Mario Party mode I can't even remember the name is shit. Characters customization is kinda cool but it's more a gimmick than anything else. The only thing I truly liked from those modes is Master Core, because of how different he is.
Also overpriced DLC, divided stages between consoles and WHY THE FUCK IS TIME STILL THE DEAULT MODE? HOLY SHIT I HAVE PLAYED LOT'S OF SMASH WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR FUN AND I'VE NEVER MET A GODAMN PERSON WHO'S PREFER PLAYING A TIME MATCH. WHY THE FUCK THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY STOCK MATCHES WITH STRANGERS IS 1X1 FOR GLORY. HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S THE FOURTH INSTALLMENT ALREADY NOBODY LIKES SHITTY TIMED MATCHES
>>344110998
there's that drop because of the expectations,
it's been 9 years from melee to brawl.
64 is fun to go back to just for the simplicity of the gameplay. Combos are super easy and the sound effects make the hits feel solid.
The Japanese version of 64 has awful sound effects.
I used to think Brawl Minus was the most fun, but when its devs kept prioritizing "silly fun" over balance and competitive elements, Minus got stale. Maybe they'll redeem themselves with their final update, but I doubt it.
At this point, I prefer SSB4 > Brawl Minus (custom) > Project M > Melee > 64
>>344111104
>Who's the clear #1 character in the game?
Sheik
>Who's the worst?
Ganon or Charizard
>>344111938
son of a bitch
>>344111876
Speaking of sound effects, the dbz sfx pack for smash 4 is a godsend. I recommend it
>>344111938
kys my dood
>>344112075
Is this 1.1.6 you're talking about?
>>344111938
nice meme
>>344111997
ITT: Someone who hates dealing 666 Damage
>>344108195
Fucking this, but /v/ will deny it for some weird reason
>>344112197
I don't keep up with the bi-weekly patches the game has to receive in order to seem "balanced," but Sheik and Diddy are still overwhelming top 8s
>>344111938
fuk
>>344106042
Never. It's a shit series worshipped by overly competitive autists who have terrible taste in games.
You can all kiss the whitest, palest part of my ass.
>>344112262
I'd just rather have moves that are actually useful, instead of meme moves that aren't viable at all.
>>344112089
>>344112157
>>344112212
>>344112454
Stop feeding this childish shit.
>>344112425
That's just straight up false though.
>>344112743
Except it isn't. Not even 2 stock matches can hide 4's balance issues
>>344112670
>Completely viable outside of one move that is considered a signature of the mod
>lack of viable moves
>>344112848
I mean, I wouldn't exactly call 1 or 2 at the past 4 majors exactly dominance.
>>344112917
It was a generalization.
Minus' poor treatment of 'Dorf IS my main problem with it, though. Weighing down his Neutral B with that silly OHKO is stupid, when he could have something cool and useful instead.
Project M handled 'Dorf correctly.
>>344110998
you are literally the only brawl fan I've ever seen.
I didnt think they existed even.
Aside from story and boss rush mode the game was shit
>>344106042
Smash 4 with Namco Bandai's involvement shows the series is all uphill from here. Sakurai shouldn't have to bitterly kill himself for his ungrateful fans anymore.
>>344113743
That doesn't mean Minus is focusing on silly over comp just because they wont change one popular move
>>344106042
competitive wise Melee,
general marketwise Sm4sh
>>344113552
Half Diddy/Sheik the other half DLC characters
>>344114118
Fox, zss, Rosa, pikachu, megaman, toon link, falcon and sonic are dlc?
Is it bad that the dlc characters are good?
>>344113931
The OHKO isn't popular, (as in, "everyone likes it") though. It's one of the first things people associate with Minus, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. Out of all the new stuff in Minus that actually deserves recognition, that silly move -- which took so little effort to make, in comparison to completely new moves like Bowser's grapples -- is the "signature move" of the whole game... What a joke.
>playing memelee netplay friendlies
>dude I'm playing is okay at best
>has a sole strategy consisting of dash dance camping
>literally wont approach ever, runs to the other side of the stage after every exchange
>refuses to approach even with laser spam
>fun level reaches zero, stop giving a fuck and don't DI anything or tech at all
>win pretty much every game, but lose 2 since shooting lasers is fucking boring and SDs from trying to do/doing cool combos
why do people like to do this shit? it literally removes everything enjoyable about the experience
>>344114734
Some people enjoy playing patiently. Not everyone is the same as you, anon.
>We'll never have a Smash game with 64's sounds and "SUPER SMASH BROTHERS", Melee's Gameplay and Modes, a story mode ala Brawls' SSE, and 4's extensive roster and custom moves
Melee is one of the best games ever made when do you think it peaked?
>>344114857
>playing patiently
I bet this is what every faggot says to themselves
>>344107860
>Removing Corrina
Well if we're doing that, then we might as well remove Rosalina along the way.
>>344114501
>One instance makes a character viable
k
>>344110146
I just wanted a fucking Airship stage. How did we never get one? Fuck.
>>344111938
fuck
>>344115187
>character is clearly able to win matches
>nope gotta win multiple times
Not him, but it seems you're moving the goal posts here.
>>344112653
>hating a game for 2% of it's fanbase
>>344106042
melee or brawl.
>>344111938
got me
>>344114857
I mean I get it, patience is a huge deal in a lot of matchups and it's important to play patient in several matchups for Falco. Like shiek. If I force approaches too hard in the MU I get rekt. Making your opponent to shoot lasers all game and getting 4 stocked in friendlies would probably be off-putting to me but some people are huge faggots. Time and a place 2bh.
>>344115147
my nigga, I'd play friendlies with this anon
>>344115387
If we were talking about Melee the goalposts would be characters that have won majors through at least 3 players, and within the last year
The goalposts for Sm4sh seem to be more like
>That one mid level pro playing a high tier character once lost a game to a Samus during friendlies, so she's totally viable!
>>344114734
I found a really good Donkey Kong player on project 64 kaillera once. I also found a faggot who got his ass whipped down to one life celebrated and left the server.
>>344106146
First post best post as always.Project M if mods are included.
>>344106042
It "peaked" with Melee and that's exactly why Project M was created - to mimic the perfection that is Melee.
Honestly, I don't know how you can believe otherwise. Melee has the tightest controls and the most competitive edge. The argument that "Super Smash is meant to be a party game" doesn't mean slower gameplay is necessarily better.
Melee is the fucking best, hands down. Dumbing down the gameplay mechanics to appeal to an audience that gives less of a shit about being good at the game does NOT make a game better.
Party games are fun because the people who play want to be the best out of the group. Being good at Melee is an impressive skill. Being good at the newer games is fucking lame, especially to those who grew up with the SSB franchise.
Fight me IRL if you disagree, nerds.
>>344115187
Every single one of those characters has made top 8 multiple times. Half of them in the past 4 majors.
>>344106146
Brawl is the correct answer.
Melee is the nostalgia and neckbeard answer.
64 is the objectively wrong answer.
Smash4 is the 2007 sprite comic maker answer.
>>344116369
And it's always the same people playing them
>>344116035
is 64 netplay any good? I've been thinking about buying the mayflash to try it out
>>344110039
The best official roster is 64, even if Luigi is a clone.
>>344116642
And?
>>344115156
The difference is that no one knows or cares about corrin or where he's from
>>344116918
They don't fit the standards for viability that Sm4shfags have themselves created
Smash64 sold 5 million copies world wide
Melee sold 7 million
Brawl sold 13.10 million
Smash4(wii u) sold 4.80 million
You tell me anon
>>344111938
>kchow
The series peaked at Melee when everyone here was young enough to still enjoy hours of single player for months, but also old enough to understand how to be good at the game.
>>344109920
>>344110039
>>344110207
>>344110379
>>344110606
>>344110671
>>344107220
>>344108467
>>344109141
>>344110643
>>344111997
>>344113743
>>344116158
>>344116367
Project M is a mod, you fucking idiots. It's not an official entry in the series.
Series peaked somewhere between Snake and Pokemon Trainer being announced.
>>344111336
shield or grab B maybe, idk
>>344117212
>Someone has repeatedly made top rankings with character
>But this character isn't viable
So puff isn't viable in melee
>>344117826
gameplay wise? Melee
content wise? Brawl.
Honestly, wii fit trainer? Duck hunt duo? Dark pitt? Who actually wanted these?
>>344117757
What does that even have to do with anything? The fact that it's a mod doesn't detract from the fact that it mimics Melee's gameplay.
Why would anyone go through the trouble of painstakingly mimicking Melee's gameplay? Probably because IT'S THE PEAK OF THE FUCKING SERIES.
>>344114675
It's the signature move because it's the first thing people associate with Minus. It's not like it was signature the moment it was made.
If it wasn't a good thing then it wouldn't be an aspect that draws people to it. It would draw them away.
>>344106042
Brawl
>story adventure mode you could co-op
>pants shitting reveal characters Sonic and Snake
>bretty gud map selection but a little lack luster compared to melee
>introduced map creation
Brawl will always be my favorite, fuck them for not including a story again because muh youtube will spoil it.
>>344118129
Correct
>>344118724
>Brawl will always be my favorite, fuck them for not including a story again because muh youtube will spoil it.
That's probably an excuse. They probably didn't have the time and resources with two versions to make this time.
>>344118724
>Story mode
I hated doing this. I fucking hated it. I spent more time trying to figure out how to get a save game with all of the characters than playing the goddamn story mode.
I mean really? A fucking super smash bros story mode? For fuck's sake.
>>344118787
well all right then, there's no point in going further. You're clearly delusional.
>>344118279
>Whats that have to do with anything
Everything actually. A game only peaks from its vanilla creation, not from fanbased intervention. Just like how Morrowind babies say Morrowind is the best because of mods basically changing the decrepit shit into something different when Oblivion is the best vanilla wise.
>>344118937
Well it was either unlock characters by playing millions of matches or doing ambiguously hidden challenges or going through the story real fast to unlock them all when you encounter them.
>>344119010
>Just like how Morrowind babies say Morrowind is the best because of mods
PM is a complete overhaul though. Nobody praises Brawl. Just PM.
>>344118994
Literally every thread Sm4shfags claim that Puff isn't viable, I didn't make this shit up.
>>344106042
It hasnt yet. You guys keep suggesting bad shit to nintendo
>>344119274
in Melee you idiot.
>>344119345
Yes, Sm4shfags will tell you Puff is not viable in Melee
>>344118228
Ice Climbers? Pit? 2D nigga? That character that didnt had his game released in west? Who actually wanted these?
>>344106042
Super Smash Bros. Free-for-All (Smash 5)
I'm from the future tense, EVO 2019 opens a wide spread of newcomers to the casual/competitive game known as Smash 5.
-Lightning (Final Fantast XIII)
-Red Mage (Mario 3-on-3)
-Bomberman
-K. Rool
-Eggman
-Lincoln
-Geno
-MOTHER FUCKING ICE CLIMBERS
-Black Shadow
-Wolf
I'll now fade from existence as i've altered the time line
>>344119430
I've never seen that happen. That sounds odd and nonsensical for people to think that
Hey, I think the Yoshi series needs a new rep. Who can it be? Kamek? Yarn Yoshi? Poochie?
>>344119484
>no ridley
Mite b tru
>>344106042
>>344106147
SSB4.
If you try customization, with equipment and custom moves, it's fucking unrivaled. In addition, the stages are pretty damn awesome (Wily's Castle, Pyrosphere, Great Cave Offensive, Palutena's Temple). Also, it has functionality to play with 8 people, so you can play with more friends at one time. I personally enjoy a lot of the items, too, but some of them are bullshit (Gust Bellows among others).
On top of all of this, it's probably the best competitively balanced game with the smallest gaps between tiers, and match-ups are a lot more important than set-in-stone tiers. Also, while combos aren't as extreme as in Melee or 64, almost every character in the entire roster has combo setups (Samus has dash attack into u-air into u-air and d-throw into f-air, despite her being low-tier).
Melee is the best if you must have a super-fast competitive game. Smash 4 is best for everything else.
>>344119607
Anyone they'd choose would just be a mario character anyway. Yoshi is hardly a series of its own, not like DK or Wario anyway.
>>344119607
Probably Yarn Yoshi since we seem to get more and more clones these days.
Smash 4.
Smash is a fanservice series, and Smash 4 has the most fanservice by far.
>>344119712
That'd open the flood gates.
Toon Link would have Paper Mario, Clay Kirby, and Yarn Yoshi as his buddies.
>>344119836
>adverts are fanservice
>inaccurate characters are fanservice
>butchered music is fanservice
>>344119484
>Free-for-All
So, it will cost $0.00?
>>344119607
Boshi
>>344120049
Kind of shocked he wasn't an alt skin.
>>344106042
Melee
>>344120023
Yes, but you start the game with only Mario, Link, Kirby, Fox, DK, Pikachu, Yoshi, and Samus as an homage to the first game. Leaving just about 8 for 8 player smash.
Since Pokemon GO became a rousing success over the years they implemented over 50 characters into Smash but you have to pay for each individual one or buy Series packs containing a multitude of them.
>>344120135
There's so many choices for Alt Skins. Louie for Olimar? Ninten for Ness? Pichu, Raichu and Lucha Pikachu for Pikachu? Dry Bowser for Bowser?
4 would have been the peak except for these:
-most of the stages are either plagued with shitty gimmicks or are direct copies of stages in Brawl
-the 3DS version which caused the removal of the Ice Climbers and split the time, energy, and effort of making the game
-still slow and floaty
-half of the soundtrack is fifteen variations of one song x twenty or uninspired half-assed medleys
-Wolf being removed for no reason
-very lacking single-player options
-Smash Run and Smash Tour
-the way getting custom moves, Mii Fighter costumes, and equipment is set up leading to tediousness as you get multiple copies of things you already have
-the exact same Melee stages being ported a second fucking time instead of using Melee stages that hadn't been in Brawl
-Brawl stages returning that are the exact same as new 4 stages (Pokemon Stadium 2, Smashville, Mario Kart)
>>344120913
And the fact that all the Melee and Brawl trophies aren't there.
>>344120913
>half of the soundtrack is fifteen variations of one song x twenty or uninspired half-assed medleys
what, you don't like Jungle Level?
For shame, anon.
>>344121120
The time put into making trophies can be far better spent making Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Race to the Finish, Melee's Adventure Mode, and a better Classic Mode.
>they fucked over the Wii-U version's Classic Mode solely to show off 5-, 6-, and 8-Player Melees
>>344121491
>Tfw 3ds's classic mode, while barebones and short, has the best structure on the series
Man did they fuck it up on wiiu
Melee.
>>344121329
I like Jungle Hijinx, but not EIGHT FUCKING VERSIONS OF IT. Or THREE VERSIONS OF THAT FUCKING BARREL ROCKET THEME. We have so many Donkey Kong Country games and other DK games with amazing soundtracks, but Sakurai and his dipshit musicians ignore all of it because "Hurr hurr everything must be World 1-1 because it's what everyone first sees and hears in the games so it's the most iconic!". Where's goddamned Vine Valley? Voices of the Temple? Mining Melancholy? Fear Factory? Boss Bossanova? In A Snowbound Land? Nuts n Bolts? Aquatic Ambiance? Windmill Hill? Scorch n Torch? Lockjaw's Locker? Big Top Bop? Punch Bowl? ANYTHING besides Jungle Hijinx and Mole Patrol?
>>344111938
ouch
>>344122076
hey at least there's modding
>>344106042
Melee is still the best on a sheer gameplay level but Smash 4 is fucking great as well, on both a casual and more hardcore level, though it could be better on the latter.
Brawl was shit aside from the roster, some of the stages, and the music. Aside from PM, it is easily the series' low point.
>>344122145
I shouldn't have to mod a game to make it good.
>>344117396
>People, excited by the years spent playing Melee, bought Brawl in droves
>Disappointed by Brawl, they bought less of Smash4
sounds right.
>>344118228
Fuck you I wanted duck hunt since a stupid dream I had as a kid. [Spoiler]I cant believe sakurai was enough of a madman to add something as stupid as duck hunt desu[/spoiler]
>>344106042
64 is the classic but melee improved on it in almost every way outside of sfx
Melee is the most fun to play, has the best content to quality ratio, and was the biggest leap between games.
Brawl was filled with good ideas but poor execution and the shittiest physics possible
4 improved brawl's gameplay but the content took a massive step back outside of fluff and filler.
If I had to rank them it would be melee > 4 > 64 > brawl
>>344117396
Install bases.
Wii U selling 4.8 million means that like 40% of people who own Wii Us have the game.
>>344122841
Does the 3DS version not count?
>>344117030
her game has been out for some months now anon.
>>344123304
This is the right ranking for competitive play.
>>344123304
>4 > 64
fuck no
>>344118228
>wii fit trainer?
>Duck hunt duo?
Absolutely nothing wrong with having more unique game/franchise reps, you whiny little bitch tit.
>dark pit?
That I'll give you, but he'd have been fine if he wasn't a Melee-level clone, same for Lucina and Dr. Mario.
>>344123307
Well the Wii U doesn't have any games besides Smash and Mario
>>344121491
They barely even "make" the trophies anymore.
Unlocking trophies in Melee was amazing because even if you knew who the character or thing was, they made the assets themselves. Some of the trophies were characters that had never been in 3D before.
There's barely any trophies in Brawl/Sm4sh that aren't just rips from other games.
It's the same for the music too. How much of the music in Sm4sh was just taken from either previous Smash titles or ripped from other games? Or you get two-minute medleys of songs they've already covered multiple times before. They cut all these corner everywhere and still don't have the time to make actually intersting gameplay and game modes.
>>344123605
>if I don't like or buy a game no one else does and it doesn't exist
I love this meme, sempai.
Cancer fags of the series?
>Thinking a game is better because it has more stages, characters, songs, or trophies
>"This series needs more representation" fags
>people who defend zero suit samus
>the whole "developers intended" bullshit
>"Melee" mod video for Smash4
>Just shows fox, falco, shiek doing their boring tourneyfag routine ass twitchy shuffle thing, no captain falcon or ganon or mario, no showing off jump momentum, still floaty af
>>344123368
If you're solely comparing units sold to the previous series, then no, because the others don't have handheld titles.
>>344123740
Everyone who thinks, says, acts, likes, dislikes, or anything else differently from me is cancer. That's how it always is and always will be.
Like you, for example.
>>344123740
It's still very early, but I honestly wouldn't expect much from a "Melee" mod. If Project M is already dying, why would people give a shit about modding Sm4sh to be like Melee? It'll never be what Project M was.
Brawl.
>story mode
>regular game is good for playing casually
>Project M for competitive play.
>All the other hacks (custom characters, music, levels)
> Also this mod in particular: https://youtu.be/rYj_MYj-Sf4
>>344123897
got em, bro
>>344123924
1080p, 8 players, roster
>>344124056
>story mode
Subspace Emissary was utter shit and the source of most of Brawl's problems, why do people like this DeviantArt-tier waste of time and space so much?
As far as unofficial entries go, Project M is my favorite. It's basically Brawl but with better gameplay, a few more characters, better costume selections, better looking menus, and some expanded modes. (I'm particularly fond of the expanded Stamina mode.) The only downside is that I think that while some stages are better than in Brawl, others are just too boring in Project M. They tried to make half the stages Battlefield-esque to make it "competitive", which I think is lame, but it is a mod highly involved with the competitive Smash community, so I can understand that.
Otherwise, Melee, because it's best balanced between casual party play and tough intricate tournament play. Personally I tend to be in the middle, turning items on Low and mainly doing 3-stock matches and only using non-moving stages. The physics in this one are really fun, and Link actually has some capability.
Brawl's physics feel a little too dumbed down and floaty, and the game as a whole just feels a little too slow. Subspace Emissary is cool though, and in general I feel the game might have the series' best roster. I also really liked the Challenges system.
Smash 4 feels a little faster and less floaty, but boy did they fuck up with the balance between competitive and casual. Most of the new items are incredibly cheap ass bullshit, so if you want them on, you have to turn them off. Meanwhile, it's one way or the other with the stages. If you don't play a stage from a previous game, you'll usually end up on a stage with some stupid gimmick or that moves. There are WAY too many gimmick stages in this game. The only remedy for this is to play the Omega stages if you don't want to just replay older stages, and those suck for the opposite reason; they're fucking boring. It's still very nice that the option is there, though.
>>344124236
The cutscenes are fun. But other than that, you're probably right. But other than that you're probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably bably bably bably bably bably pro pro pro por pro probably rpobably probyalbylay bsanouehbcgkisbaxjgoarecbsxrpc
>>344124236
What's the problem with Story Mode?
I mean I think the levels are shit, because almost all of them don't resemble anything from any games, aside Skyworld, Halberd, etc.
I think it's liked because of the cinematics because it's something where you get to see Mario and Kirby face off, while Pit watches the fight, or Meta Knight teams up with Anime, and that one where the Great Fox tries to take on the Halberd.Now that I think about it SSE is literally Miyamoto vs Sakurai
>>344124236
It wasn't amazing, but in my opinion, it was a decent single player mode, the cutscenes were nice to look at, and it was the best way of unlocking characters. I hate repeating certain modes over and over again with different characters or killing myself over and over in matches to unlock characters.
>>344124056
>That grab at 8:12
>had to delay Brawl twice solely because of SSE
>even then they couldn't even finish it, leaving the most important cutscenes out
>it's literally Kingdom Hearts: Nintendo Edition, with TRON as the bad guy
>Rayquaza living in a lake
>absolutely nothing that's specifically from a Nintendo game, only generic mountains and forests and mines and ruined cities
>Sakurai was upset the cutscenes were put on Youtube because he thought they were the best rewards you get from playing SSE so he refused to make a similar mode for 4
>>344106147
too many Fire emblem characters, it can be surpassed easily.