Looks like day 2 of the update leaked. So, I can count on you to support The Heavy, right? I'm assuming you're not a brony/furfag.
>>344080976
Heavy, hands down.
>Do you believe in magic? In a young girl's heart?
>>344080976
>F2Players would all go pyro
>>344080976
>not Heavy vs Scout Update
>still no Engineer vs Medic Update
Pyro doesn't need a fued
>>344080976
People still play this?
>>344084104
I stopped playing Overwatch and went to TF2 purely because I like to switch back and forth between weapons when I walk to the objective and Overwatch has too many 1 weapon characters
>>344083914
It's just a set-up to their rebalancing.
>>344080976
>implying I don't play pyro for the purpose of burning bronies and furries
>>344084309
That's an extreme amount of autism
>>344084104
"I like playing 16v16"
Trump and Hillary?
>>344084496
That's ironic.
>>344080976
do heavies and pyros really have any trouble with eachother?
>spy vs sniper: instakill class vs a mainly stationary class
>soldier vs demoman: both explosive-based classes battling to get explosive-based loot
what do these two have in common
Don't taunt me OP, I got excited for a second.
>>344084903
Terrible classes that would benefit greatly from a rework, or at least a lot of balance changes.
>>344084903
>what do these two have in common
see>>344084462
Heavy and Pyro are the two classes really in need of a healthy rebalance. They're both kind of terrible.
>>344084903
I guess they are both only useable at close range
Vote Pyro. A competent Pyro is way more useful to his team than a Heavy.
>>344084903
heavy has trouble with circlestrafing pyro
pyro has trouble getting close to heavy
>>344084864
fire existed before fursuits and mlp
>>344085380
literally the dumbest thing ive read all month
>>344084648
more like add or something
>>344085403
>heavy has trouble with circlestrafing pyro
hard-countered by mouse sensitivity
>>344085684
heavy mains are idiots. What do you expect?
>>344085380
When is the last time you've played this game?
A heavy who sits on the cart of a payload map is a way bigger threat than a pyro at any skill level.
>>344085635
>>344085845
He's right, you know.
>>344085635
Maybe not way more useful but as a pyro mainyeah, you read it righti focus on support, extinguishing teamates like no tomorrow and covering engies and f2p who don't know how to remove a sapper.
>>344086012
He's not.
>>344085635
>>344085845
Okay, I'll concede that it sounds dumb. I'm biased because I main Pyro almost exclusively.
BUT:
Spychecks
Fire extinguishing teammates
Reflecting Soldier's and Demoman's projectiles
Backburner ambushing
ducking behind cart and protecting/pushing
protecting Engie's constructs
destroying their Engie's constructs
separating Uber-Medics from their Ubers
ect
...
It's about utility. Pyro has more than Heavy.
>>344084981
but it's true, that image was found in the day 1's html
>>344086580
Well, I guess I can't argue that the class that has essentially become the utility class has more utility skills than the mobile turret class.
>>344086790
>mobile
Barely.
People still play TF2?
I want a super shotgun.
running shotgun on heavy is underrated
>>344086580
Thats why there's different classes
Heavy is good at giving and taking damage, pyro is good for, well, not that
It's clear that these two were chosen because they both fucking suck from a competitive standpoint, but let's discuss what Valve could actually be planning to do in order to fix them.
Heavy:
>reduce minigun damage up close
>increase minigun damage proportionately at medium-to-long range
He'd still do the most damage to things like a foot in front of him, just not as much. In exchange, the fall off wouldn't be so dramatic
i cant wait for these masked fucks getting mowed down
>>344086580
only a bottom feeder pyro could be more helpful than a bottom feeder heavy, with any semblance of skill, heavy is better by far with supportas far as with the current balance
>>344087154
>What is Tomislav
>>344087261
Good point.
>>344086580
>destroying engie buildings
Is this ever actually viable? Teleporters and dispensers go down easy as fuck from half the classes, and you'll never get close to a sentry to hammer it without a uber, distraction, or spy. And if you aren't defending with the Homewrecker, aka generally not close enough to be attacking enemy buildings, powerjack is superior.
>People voting for Heavy
>When Pyro is undeniably a weaker class
>>344084309
HOLY SHIT i KNEW something was off about overwatch for me and i couldn't figure out what but this is fucking it. god damn. it felt like something was missing like gotta keep that apm flow going. thank you anon thank you.
>>344087321
But maybe every minigun would become tomislavified, and then the tomislav becomes something else entirely. Like it fires just one bullet per shot (instead of 4) but it's very accurate and does more damage. Dunno, just spitballing.
>>344086790
>>344087137
>>344087240
I believe that both are valuable classes in a server, but in choosing between the too utility is actually more important than tanky turret
>>344086580
>Spychecks
Spy has lots of counters to pyro, scout deals with spies more often than pyro does
>Fire extinguishing teammates
Medic already does that
>Reflecting Soldier's and Demoman's projectiles
Aiming lower to the ground as either class counters this
>ducking behind cart and protecting/pushing
Isn't that heavy's job?
>protecting Engie's constructs
Again another thing heavy does better
>destroying their Engie's constructs
>Pyro countering engie
>separating Uber-Medics from their Ubers
The only thing pyro has going for him
Pyro needs buffs, badly
>>344087369
Fire anon, fire. Bad placed buildings are easy and quick to destroy and M1 all the way down is also viable.
>>344087436
>which is better
>pyro of course, he has a bunch of great utilities
>-because the worse one is getting new item a la gunboats
>wait, hey no, pyro is awful
I'm expecting this to be a central theme of this update
>>344087648
Maybe in pubs where the engineer is more or less on his own and placing buildings badly but when you've got an entire team protecting him and his gun (most notably a sniper) getting close enough to even try isn't really going to happen
>>344087154
The only thing heavy needs changed is no rampup, thats it. He is not a bad class and even in his current state is a good defense pick.
The same cannot be said for pyro who has a giant crippling bug list and poor weapon design across the board.
>>344087547
If your team has a good backbone, a heavy is a great choice. It's a class that's very dependent on good team support, and excels when supported.
But most the timeI'd just pick soldier or demo instead, heavy is awful
>>344087913
>bugs
like what?
What weapon could theoretically be given to either a la Gunboats that would be a significant help to either?
>>344080976
>Supporting le friendly don't shot me hovy xd
>He doesn't belive in magic
>>344088093
speed shoes for heavy
>>344088051
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EqUMvk3dpO1gLQLmUaHn7DyLrK-dj3qnPzz8Mb21-vw/edit?pageId=112306468662436496390#
>>344088093
mobility is the name of the game in tf2.
post staranges
>>344087906
also heavy on the other hand does a surprising amount of damage to buildings thanks to Tough Break, and a well positioned tomislav can spell death for an engineer caught with his pants down
>>344087598
>Spy has lots of counters to pyro, scout deals with spies more often than pyro does
Yeah
>Medic already does that
But who extinguish medic? Checkmatenot really, but you can extinguish a lot of teamates by pressing a single click
>Aiming lower to the ground as either class counters this
Reflect =/= shooting stickies
>Isn't that heavy's job?
Yeah
>Again another thing heavy does better
Can't remove sappers with a sandvich pal
>Pyro countering engie
B-but...
>Pyro needs buffs, badly
More than buffs, a rework, but yes.
>>344088093
Shotgun.
Which is why I want Pyro to win because Heavy don't need that shit.
>>344088457
How would another shotgun benefit the pyro?
>>344088453
>Reflect =/= shooting stickies
???
>Can't remove sappers with a sandvich pal
If the engie is dead the sentry is fucked regardless.
Homewrecker is a pointless weapon.
>>344088557
FIRE BULLETS!!!!1!!
>>344088557
Something new and shiny could help the rest of the player base by distracting them from the flare gun/reserve shooter
>>344088457
Hold on now
Heavy doesn't have a single secondary worth using other than the Sandvich.
Shotty/Flare/SS are all fantastic secondaries.
>>344088557
Pyro needs all the damage he can get.
Meanwhile a Heavy using anything but Sandvich is wasting his second slot.
>>344088658
>If the engie is dead the sentry is fucked regardless.
Ive managed to protect nests, but yeah is a minor chance
>Homewrecker is a pointless weapon.
I dunno anon, is my stock choice mostly, but at your favor, i switch HW and Powerjack all the time at middle of the gameit bugs me a lot
>>344088849
I don't really think that answers my question.
Basically the argument is that the pyro deserves new weapons for the sake of weapon and the heavy doesn't deserve a new secondary because of the sandvich
The crude, muscular Capitalist vs The psycho, female killer
I wonder what they based this on, hmmmm?
>there are disgusting little babies who won't vote for Heavy
This isn't even close to all the other "wars" TF2 has had, this isn't a battle between two offensive classes who do their jobs well, this isn't between two supports with very specific roles, this is between a big man with a big gun and a little baby man with a kitchen lighter.
I know in my heart that there are enough Pyro mains that'll shit their asbestos-lined jammies if Pyro doesn't win, but I hope it's a close match for Heavy's sake.
>>344088098
>being a baby
>>344080976
>Voting for heavy
>LE PYRO IS FURY XDD
Kill yourself, pyro has been so shit for so long, heavy is also shit but he can pub stomp pretty easily. Pyro desperately needs any kind of buff he can get.
>>344089070
Hi hoof, fellow hoovy main! /)
Pootis POW xD
>>344089070
This is really important to notice. Pyro is my fav class but i prefer heavy to win and have a real buffy weapon, i mean, is one of the most iconic faces of tf2, it desserves a bit more love.
>>344089060
>female
reply
Let's be real here. I don't think valve is doing another gunboats
Are we expecting both classes to get buffed regardless, or is it only the winner? God knows both desperately need it.Will it be rigged again?
Mmm, I can smell the shitstorm already. I love having things to argue about on /v/.
>>344089664
They're gonna be buffed, both of them.
The War is just framing the update and hype generation
>>344089664
>rigged
Soldier still shits of n Demo, get over it already
>>344090209
Everyone knows that the Demomen had more soldier kills, the only reason soldier won was because of the propaganda contest.
What would a game with gunboat demomen be like, anyway?
>>344090389
Hell.
The Demo has the booties now, which are just as good for sticky only madman as the gunboat would reasonably be.
>>344090389
Not very different, most soldiers these days roll shotgun or conch
It'd be easier to sticky jump sure but you'd be without pipes and the rocket/sticky jumpers exist so it's not really a big deal anyway
>tfw basically only played Pyro for a long time
>can barely play other classes
>my gameplay has slowly been getting worse and worse as Pyro gets nerfed
How do I start getting gud
>>344090389
Not too different from Sticky Jumper Demomen, really. Less effective if anything. I think the Gunboats fit Soldier better.
>>344090716
drop pyro, pick up sniper or demo
>>344090716
Play something else
The nerfs aren't making you worse, you are
>>344090716
what nerfs
>>344090716
Try to get a secondary main, and try to play other classes sometimes on pubs.
>>344090716
Play Medic or Soldier. They're both easy to get into.
>>344088158
They want to buff afterburn. Are they insane? Pubs will be in chaos.
>>344090716
>pyro gets "nerfed"
>degreaser babies are so shit that they cant play stock pyro
>It's been six fucking years and people are still asshurt about mlp
Will we ever see anything on the scale of mlp ever again with this much staying power to make people upset?
>>344091023
>Medic
>Easy
He's one of the hardest to play and requires the most gamesense. You have to know what's always going on at every moment to know when it's a good time to heal, shoot, uber, etc. You're also the most targeted player next to spies.
However, he's one of the best classes to play (other then spy) on how to learn to play other classes, because you get to watch people as you heal them, and learn new tactics.
>unbalanced casual class shooter with a focus on larger team fights
>competitive mode being anything worth getting excited over
>>344091317
If you can follow heal order and you know how to flash uber you are already better than 99% of pub medics. He isn't THAT difficult.
>>344091394
This thread isn't about competitive mode.
>>344091317
>medic
>not easy
hiding behind a better player doesn't take skill friendo
>>344090716
Play Soldier. It's almost just as braindead to get kills with, but at least you suffer from much more mobility problems which makes you have to think a little more, and teaches you the importance of correct rocket jumping and health management.
If you wish, start rocket jumping in pubs with Gunboats, but once you feel you can jump minimally decently, switch out of them and equip the Shotgun, so you learn health management, and the Shotgun will teach you some hitscan and ammo management too, since you are encouraged to switch out from your rockets whenever an enemy is weak and can be finished off with the Shotty because of how slow rocket reloads can be in the heat of the moment.
Having done that, get started with Demo and Scout. Demo will transfer rather well together from Soldier, but you will need to have much better prediction to hit pipes, and Scout will teach you all the hitscan you need from the game and when to disengage from battles.
Once you get a good grip out of all those three classes, then I'd say it's good to move on to whatever class you feel you like the most. That's not to say you can't play said class when you are learning the "core" classes, but rather to not quite main it until you have the hang of the game.
>>344091394
there's gonna be matchmaking for 6v6 and 12v12
>>344091564
Babysitting your entire team does
>>344091618
>>344091317It's been a while since I last played, so I forgot to mention that I actually play Medic fairly often too
I can't rocket jump at all though, it's ridiculous.
>>344080976
>tfw unabashed heavy main
>but that peace sign pyro is cute
Damn pyro. You getting too kawaii for this shit.
>>344091790
If you can get the crouch timing right (practice practice) everything else is cake
>>344091790
Hug right wall, crouch jump shoot in one flick. This should be something you can do instantly without thinking.
>>344091727
That doesn't change anything
>"maining" anything in a game that isn't a fighting game
jesus christ
>>344091790
>I can't rocket jump at all though, it's ridiculous.
Everyone feels that way at first. If you have the Rocket Jumper, equip that and join any Valve server, and just fuck around with it close to your spawn and away from the action. It's very unlikely someone will come to kill you since most people on those servers are incompetent, so you'll have all the time to get accustomed to rocket jumping you want. And it doesn't make you feel lonely as if you did if you just started an offline match, so I guess that's a pro too.
I like Pyro.
>>344091967
This is my favorite meme.
>>344091967
If you want to get anywhere in comp you have to stick with one class. Soldier, demo, and scout all take hundreds of hours to be proficient with and thousands to master.
>>344092123
you have no clue what you're talking about
good luck getting into a competent team knowing only a single class
Is the item server down for anyone else?
>>344092223
Yes, seeing pubshitters whining because they don't have their crutches is pure bliss
>>344091301
undertale
Please don't fucking nerf this
>>344092193
That is literally what every team does though? Scouts have to offclass occasionally but defense classes don't take any time to learn at all. Players generally stick with one offense class.
>>344092441
>assists: the gun
can't stand using it
>>344092084
Thats a bitchin Pyro
>>344092403
But it's already fading, OW is the new memegame all cool kids play
>>344091790
Jump and crouch, shoot the floor behind you, then use A and D to steer in the air. Release W while you're in the air or it won't work. It's that easy, mate.
>>344092193
Maining doesn't necessarily involve distancing you from all classes but one. It just means you put more priority into learning one of them over the others. You can be a good Sniper/Demo/Medic/Whatever, and still call yourself a Scout main if you have the most hours and most experience on Scout.
>>344092441
its already been nerfed to oblivion why would valve nerf it again
>>344092441
I don't see why they would to be honest.
The gave the damage resist to natacha and brass beast because they were terrible.
>>344092537
Then why do the bronies and little kids still play TF2?
>>344092513
>fuck you scouts
>fuck you demoknights
>fuck everything with 20% dmg resist
>>344092441
Am I the only one who misses 300 ammo Natasha? I found it way more useful.
>>344092717
Because they are not cool
>>344090716
>main pyro
>still good even after nerfs
>>344092718
Demoknights deserve every ounce of suffering they get, fucking waste of a slot
>>344092916
Imagine how many new explosives demo could have today if not for that stupid class
>>344092749
Maybe if you play 24/7 turbine.
there are no fucking ammo packs on that map jesus christ I hate turbine
But otherwise, it was bland and not really notable. Ammo in tf2 isn't that rare. A single medium ammo pack already gives you back half your ammo reserve
TF2 thread?
Okay, just a question: the Sandman is a straight upgrade right?
>>344084752
One side is a highly educated man that people like to see as dumb due to his simple vocabulary.
Otherside is a batshit insane murder who feels no remorse.
It is scary accurate.
>>344092996
I play on really low sensitivity so I go for long range chip damage frequently. I burn through ammo extremely fast.
Item servers down for anyone?
>>344092916
>>344093008
>minus hp
you tell me
post heavy and pyro loadouts
>>344093163
me too, it's probably for rebalance/new items
>>344080976
>UFO
Is it finally happening after all these years?
>>344093008
Not really. I still think that one bat that gives you a triple jump is the best one. Losing max health just for a stun that doesn't even last that long unless you hit from super far away. Using it with the Flying Guillotine is fun as hell though.
>there are people on /v/ right now that main Pyro
truly a sickening thought
>>344093231
can't because >>344093163
>>344084903
Easiest classes to play
>>344092797
So you're saying you'd rather have bronies and kids play your game.
Is this the level the TF2 community has reached?
>>344092441
I don't see how they could make it worse.
It's fucking criminal that it's not viable since it's the most beautiful sounding gun in the game.
Stock just can't compare to that BRRRRRT
>>344093008
No scout needs all the health he can get.
However it lets you do dumb shit like stun a medic pushing into a point and waste all his uber or hard counter heavies which is why it's not allowed in comp.
>>344093008
If -15 health is considered a straight upgrade, then yes.
>>344093230
It's banned in comp for a reason
Stun is cancer and even valve regrets putting it in the game
>overwatch comes out
>blows the fuck out of tf2
>tf2 literally trying to copy overwatch's match system and leveling system
the pathetic death cries of a dying game.
>>344080976
>I'm assuming you're not a brony/furfag.
why do they all gravitate towards pyro
I just want to burn things and I'm lumped in with these degenerates
>>344093616
Yeah but it's by definition not a straight upgrade. Solemn Vow was a straight upgrade until recently.
TF2 comp is a joke and will only have a small sense of balance if the only weapons allowed are the stock ones.
>>344093782
Because W+M1 doesn't take any effort.
>>344093741
You mean like OW copied CSGO's matchmaking and leveling system?
>>344093498
>it's an effective tool in the hands of a skilled player
>banned in comp
Color me shocked. Why are competitives such whiny babies?
>>344093858
no weapon bans
no class limits
i mean, it works in overwatch right? :)
>>344093896
>Implying Heavy takes more skill
>>344093896
It doesn't even get any result unless the enemy team was lobotomized
>Only play Medic
>Stuff like this will never happen for my class
>>344092441
>using this on demoknights
>>344093782
Because pyro doesn't have a defined personality or identity past "faceless goon who likes to burn people and is depicted as cute"
It's super easy for furfags to project onto
>>344093968
Because with a dedicated medic around the health penalty is a non-issue and any midnight would just be 4 scouts shooting balls at the medics
>>344094072
shut the fuck up you're already a pussy ass bitch for "maining" medic in a shooting game.
plus MTM was one of the best updates of the fucking game.
>haven't played in months
>everything I liked playing with got "balanced" into oblivion
>don't really want to play with the "balanced" toys
>but still miss TF2
I miss my cannonballs.
>>344094112
>use natacha
>absolutely ruin the day of enemy demoknights, pyros and scouts
>>344093968
Because stun is fucking cancer. Being able to stop a class from being useful at all and turning them into an easy target for an easy kill, all with the simple press of M2 where aiming the ball isn't even a challenge, is fucking stupid.
>>344094020
Heavy requires has to have his crosshair on enemies to kill them, pyro doesn't. Heavy gets punished for bad positioning, pyro doesn't.
>>344094034
So your average pub then?
>>344094114
>old pyro
>actually insane person who uses homemade weapons, wears odd things because he's nuts
>new pyro
>wacky mmph man who sees rainbows and acts like a goofy retard
Flanderization is real and I watched it happen
>>344094219
I feel ya man.
I used to run baby face blaster clitacola bostan basher and fuck people over with bleed damage at incredibly hihg speeds.
Now if the server hiccups I'm fucked.
>>344093163
>complaining about itemservers being down
Fucking keep it that way, I want vanilla tf2 all day every day.
>>344094072
>only playing a single class
>thinking of any class as "your" class
stop playing wrong
>>344094472
>actually insane person who uses homemade weapons, wears odd things because he's nuts
>wacky mmph man who sees rainbows and acts like a goofy retard
And the difference between these two is...?
>>344094219
Loose Cannon is still OP as fuck what are you on about
If you mean the longer fuse from many moons ago then I miss it too.
>>344094219
Valve's decision to nerf the Loose Cannon was pretty retarded, yeah.
>>344084903
Nerfed into the ground by whiny shitters or otherwise near useless against anyone with half a brain. They both need buffs or reworking.
>>344094619
tone
>>344094219
Kill yourself
>One shot medics and do consistent 150 damage just by knowing the max range
>Knockback twice as strong as airblast and can't be reflected
>Projectile big as a cinderblock and hard to see
>>344080976
>Heavy vs. Pyro
Heavy. Not even a contest.
>>344084903
It's an excuse for everyone to try the new buffs both classes will get
>>344094714
It actually can be reflected, but all it does is kill the momentum and make it blow up at your feet, which is equally stupid
>>344094373
Then don't go out in the open like that or run a counter Sandman Scout on your team.
If you get balled from across the map you deserve to be stunned. Stun isn't cancer, what's cancer is the fun-ruining compfags. Anything in the game should be fair game. If it's overpowered then nothing stops the other team from switching to it as well. Now both teams are equally overpowered, which is to say both teams are even again.
>>344094841
That's what I meant. I'm secretly hoping valve let's pyro reset projectiles in this update so you don't blow yourself up anymore.
>>344080976
>He's not going Heavy
I mean, there's objectively no reason a pyro would ever win against a heavy. Right?
What if instead of a weapon for the winner, the loser gets a complete rework instead?
So where do I vote? Heavy needs them votes. I want more of a reason to play as him.
>>344094978
>circlestrafing
>>344095000
That's a terrible idea just because both of them need reworks.
>>344094978
Yes
>>344095089
Is a heavy unable to move his mouse?
MY FEESTS THEY ARE MADE OF STEEEL
RUAANN RUAAAAAANN EYEM COHMING FOR YOU
I LIIIIIIIIIIIIVE
RAAAAAAAGHGGH
>>344095138
He can't turn as fast as a circling Pyro with his minigun spooled, can he?
>>344094619
>what's the difference between a man who wraps an axe in barbed wire and a man who shoots rainbows
>>344094927
>Don't go out in the open
>In FUCKING 6s
Fuck off. You're just another shitter mad he can't use his crutch. Go learn how to fucking DM and you won't need to stun people to kill them.
NEW FUCKING MAPS
>Sunshine
fuck yeah
>Metalworks
fuck yeah
>Swiftwater
fucking HL players are dogshit
>>344095138
Even if he can, his bullets all have to hit the Pyro. But the Pyro doesn't really need accuracy for his flame.
>>344095217
no.
turn speed is the same
>>344094978
Unless the heavy happens to be near a cliff or approaching train, yes. Or, the pyro has a corner to duck behind and spam flares from.
>>344095272
You know they didn't disable the Axtinguisher, right? You can still use it.
>>344095217
There is no limit on turning speed.
>>344095087
If it's anything like last time you better get your ass in the game and start mowing down those baby men right now
>>344095087
>vote
if its anything like the original WAR!, you have to kill the other class as the class you want to win
>>344094927
>lol just run the same thing as the others to counter it who cares about variety
Then you have the game turn into a complete snoozefest where one team is using the exact same things as the other because they need to counter each other, and switching away from it means deliberately putting yourself and your team at a disadvantage.
It's a shit mentality.
MEDIC AND SCOUT GORDBORTS WHEN VALVE?
>>344095397
and like the war update it'll be rigged from start to finish.
>>344095325
>four bullets fired per ammo used
>fast rate of fire
>hit scan
As if heavy needs accuracy either
>>344095275
You're just another shitter mad that someone picked a different weapon and ran wild all over you.
Go back to your no items/fox only/final destination boring shitfest.
>>344095384
1.Axtinguisher is shit
2.The problem is that they keep pandering to the furfags/bronies
http://www.strawpoll.me/10685181
http://www.strawpoll.me/10685181
http://www.strawpoll.me/10685181
http://www.strawpoll.me/10685181
>>344093231
This has been my set for years, I see no reason to ever have to change it.
>>344095427
Never.
Valve and Weta cut ties
>>344095423
One team is ALREADY using the exact same things as the other because of babbies like you whining that stock is the only stuff that's fair.
>>344095549
>muh furfag/brony pandering
ITP: Shit that never happened outside of the Meet the Pyro video
>>344095654
;_;
>>344095397
It's going to be different, Valve doesn't want 12 v 12 Heavies and Pyros
>>344095561
I made this for christmas last year and apparently kept it on because I never ever play pyro.
>>344095427
>>344095654
It hurts
>>344095521
>that someone picked a different weapon and ran wild all over you
So what you're saying is they only won because of their gun and not because they were actually more skilled. Sounds like a crutch to me. You can stop posting and go back to cp_orange now.
>>344095392
>>344095397
So it's all for nothing because they'll say "well heavies made a 'kill pyro bots' server and their kill now don't count" again?
>>344095397
>>344095797
Shit that doesn't sound good.
>>344095427
>>344095654
>>344095709
>>344095780
THEY EVEN HAD CONCEPT ART OF THE SCOUT AND MEDIC ITEMS ON THE WORKSHOP
I'M SO ANGRY
>>344095784
If contracts are anything to go by then it'll only track valve servers
I can see it now, $6 campaign pass and the rewards will all be cosmetic hats/weapon skins
The winner gets some exclusive medal they'll never wear
>>344095797
>banny still trying to stay relevant even though nobody pays attention to tf2 comp
>literally 4 teams went to dreamhack
pathetic
>>344095289
>sunshine
It looks like a re-skinned version of Process
>>344080976
should have been scout vs heavy but whatever
>>344095874
You only have to buy a contract ticket for the heavy, or for the pyro... or both! 19.99 each!!!!
Competitive mode should either be
Stock weapons only o
or
VERY limited selection of non-stock weapons along with stock , obviously.
Cosmetics allowed.
>>344095797
>It's an actual election
>Whoever wins gets buffed to the point of being ludicrously overpowered for a day until the announcer smacks them and then reworks both classes
>>344096012
scout doesn't need a rebalance.
>>344095782
They were more skilled. They stunned you from across the map and you allowed this to happen because you're bad.
>>344096001
PUBBIES GET OUT
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>>344095676
That's only because Valve has been so shit at balancing their game, you mostly have either underpowered weapons that no one uses because they are shit, or overpowered weapons that need your team to equip it if the other team runs it too. There have been few true sidegrades, and guess what: those are all allowed in comp, like most of Medic's mediguns, most of Soldier's secondaries and some of his melee options, and a few things for Demo and Scout. Stock has been left as the default choice because it's the least situational, but you still see teams running weapons off-stock, or even offclassing. Sniper is a popular choice for breaking a stalemate on last, a choice that would go down the fucking toilet if you allowed the Sandman to exist, thus increasing the likelihood of the game staying in that stalemate.
Try again.
>>344095884
they even made the models for them (for the cosmetics at the very least)
but someone had to screw it up.
>>344096143
How different is it then?
2nd and 3rd caps look largely the same with the middle point being raised.
>>344096210
>344096210
blame grodbord himself. he wanted more money before allowing valve to put it ing ame
Heavy:
>Mostly balanced, could use a buff, but fills his role well
vs
Pyro:
>Literal joke class, underperforms in every possible regard except igniting spies which doesn't matter because any competent player can spycheck without fire and instead of igniting spies will just outright kill them
>oh and I guess they're relegated to sentry cucks now?
Show some pity for Pyro, the forever-underpowered.
>>344096134
>Just dodge the fastest smallest projectile in the game xD
>>344096381
>heavy
>good at anything except last point tanking
kek. let me know how many heavies you see in true comp
>>344096381
shit class since QTF and never gonna change
Wait Heavy vs Pyro is real?
eh?
>>344096381
The funniest part is that Heavy counters Pyro rather well unless the Heavy is so braindead that he lets himself get ambushed. It's not like Demo vs Soldier at all, where both classes weren't counters to each other.
I think this is going to be heavily lopsided to the Heavy, especially because a Heavy with a pocket Medic becomes even more powerful against a Pyro with a Medic of his own. And god knows, a good Medic will always stay with the more powerful classes than with a Pyro.
>tfw I'm genuinely excited to play TF2 with the reworks
I missed the B2P phase, because I was still a halo fanatic, I missed the peak of f2p before it really REALLY went to shit, and I've only played in the remnants. There's going to be so many people that play the comp mode, both overwatch refugees and poorfaggots that can't afford overwatch, AKA literally free mmr. I'm so excited to play soldier and scout again, hopefully the potential Heavy rework isn't awful, I love heavy
>>344096381
not to mention every single class having a way to instantly get rid of fire and the flamethrower dealing so little damage it might as well be a squirt gun
>>344096381
>Heavy
>Not underpowered
He certainly fulfills the role of being a giant walking target well
>>344096409
When it's coming from across the map then yeah. You might as well be saying sniper is OP and should be banned because his hitscan weapon is infinitely fast. You don't have to "dodge" anything. I'm not saying to see it coming and get out of the way, I'm saying to stop having such piss poor positioning that you can be hit by one across the map. Hey what do you know? That's exactly what you should do when there's a sniper on the enemy team. Not have garbage positioning where they can get a huge line of sight on you.
You're bad. Just stop posting.
>>344096645
>tfw started downloading tf2 again when I saw this update announced
I haven't played since the EotL update
Darwin's Danger Shield nerf
fucking
WHEN
>>344096754
Sniper can't do anything else, Scout is the strongest combat class in the game.
>>344096859
literally never. Enjoy dying while I survive with 7 hp. :)
