It's better than nothing.
I'd rather have nothing to be honest
Is that really the EU boxart or just a shitty one someone made
>inb4 Cody
>>344046635
Nothing is arguably better.
>>344046543
Yeah you're right, it is better than Super Paper Mario.
>>344048186
super paper mario is a pretty fun and good game. it's not as good as the first two but still good. but you knew that already.
>>344046543
What's a Wii U?
>>344048186
I'd rather have another super than sticker star 2
>>344046543
>>344048186
While spm was no real paper mario it was at least decent unlike sticker shit.
>>344049550
>>344050470
>>344050157
Super Paper Mario lacked the Pizzazz that Sticker Star had.
>>344048186
SPM's gameplay may have just been mediocre platforming but I still had fun. The characters and music were still top-notch, and the charm was definitely still there. Sticker Star was a fucking disgrace.
>Receive nothing
>Disappointed that there is nothing, but hopeful that there could be something in the future
>Receive better than nothing
>Disappointed that is isn't something, and expect there to be nothing in the futureI liked Paper Mario 64, but by the time TTYD released I was sick of the DeviantArt sprite edits joining my party. Why didn't they bring back the party from the first game?
>>344050364
huh, color splash sounds a lot better already.
>>344052336
How could you be sick of them if they were new back then?
>>344046543
no it isn't
>>344052892
I don't delude myself into thinking the 64 party was any different.
>>344050364
>you know we gotta think of a new paper based theme we will do our best
paper mario is fucking dead. if they want something new why did the thousand year door happen? they really should have just kept doing that, fuck them
Why the fuck does Nintendo not get that nobody wants another sticker star?
>>344053260
I feel sorry for your brain and the way you think of things as "deviant art hur dur creations".
You are an adult right? You should stop coming on 4chan for a while.
>>344053260
The partners in 64 were really simple compared to TTYD. They were mostly recolors of existing species or had an accessory, like koops being just a blue koopa with a scarf and goombario an ordinary goomba with hat. But even so, TTYD weren't as exagerated as most deviantart shit.
Sushie was pretty much the simplest in design, as she was literally just a purple cheep cheep without any extra stuff.
Deviantart stuff tends to exagerate/add too many accessories and unrealistic colors. A new traditional PM with simple partners like 64's would be great.
>>344053445
I want to another Sticker Star and I'm going to buy Color Splash day 1.
>>344052336
What a trainwreck of a post.
>>344046543
And worse than anything.
>>344046543
>Not posting the real box art
>"Since this is taking place within the greater Mario world, we wanted to focus as much as possible on the familiar Mario characters. As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity." I had commented earlier in the interview that the original Paper Mario seemed to be designed to put a creative spin on the Nintendo 64's constrained technology, and Tabata said those constraints are still important even on far more capable systems. "We had to think a lot about, 'Alright, if it's all Toads, how do we make them distinctive? How do we give them personality?'
>"One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color. And a lot of the personality comes out in the text. You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes. We're really trying to focus on using all these Toads, and other familiar characters, and still creating great variety and keeping things interesting."
>"We've done some play tests, and there were quite a few people who cried at the end," she told me. On hopes those will be tears of empathy for the characters, familiar as they may be, rather than tears of bitter fan betrayal
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-hopes-to-keep-paper-mario-color-splash-interesting-despite-its-limits
>>344054589
>"One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color.
yeah, that's some top tier character design right there
>>344054589
>One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color. And a lot of the personality comes out in the text. You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes. We're really trying to focus on using all these Toads, and other familiar characters, and still creating great variety and keeping things interesting.
Yeah, that worked out so well last time.
>>344054589
A wise scholar once saidpic related.
>>344054589
>no hats/accessories
>no colors besides red, blue and green (and a single purple one I think)
>no piantas, nokis, bob-omb buddies, lakitus and other friendly species from other games to break the monotony
Tanabe was a mistake.
>>344054589
Even if they're trying to damage control it I like how they're actually acknowledging the fan backlash, it's quite weird actually. Still have no hope for the game though.
>Actively killing off most of their franchises
>Take forever to make games for the few franchises they haven't killed yet
>Consoles and games have been filled with gimmicky shit for 10 years
>Casuals don't give a shit about them anymore
>Kids don't give a shit about them anymore
>Even their core fanbase barely gives a shit about them anymore
>Third parties hate them
>NX shaping up to be another miserable failure with gimmicky crap that third parties won't touch with a 1000-foot pole
Is Nintendo the new Sega?
>>344046543
>It's better than nothing.
>Nintendo spitting in the face of Paper Mario fans is better than nothing.
Not really.
>>344050754
But SPM has good writing
>>344052336
What the fuck are you talking about? 4chan has warped your fucking brain if you think that creative characters taken from a series without much personality is "DeviantArt." My god. I would love to hear you speak in public on a topic you are passionate about for more than ten minutes. How many worthless, internet culture dependent statements would you be willing to make to support a position? Fuck you.
>>344055201
Nintendo aren't making the most expensive games of all time while having their lowest sales. In fact half the stuff people are getting angry at are probably cost saving methods that only increase their longevity.
Sega died because they were trying to act above their level of competence and trying to "out muscle" Sony with a high risk no reward. Nintendo are low risk high reward.
>>344055320
The story was a bit too edgy for my taste.
I wouldn't mind a story that's darker than the average Mario game but I think SPM did it wrong.
I know how much you don't like the way Mario games are going by story but here is the thing. I want to make people happy and when I see NSMB skyrocketing in sales I know many people are being happy playing the game. I want those people to stay happy so I make sure the games cater to them so that they won't be distracted by much. People play Mario games not expecting a complex story, they just want funny cartoon characters saving the Princess and world from the cartoonishly scary Bowser. Happiness is a top priority that can be weighed down when the game pauses to introduce some character that wasn't needed or to stop because the plot demands it. This isn't what people who play Mario games want, they just want fun. After all the game is fine without a huge narrative or a new set of cast members, so do we even need it? After all adding all the text and characters will only delay the games release with all the translating and planning. Go read a book or watch a movie because Mario games are not meant for you. Now that's out of the way, the reason why we toning down character variety and story is quite simple. It saves time since we can just re use a character design over and over again, kids won't mind Toads look near identical in main games anyways. Onto dialogue, localization takes time so by toning down the script the game can come out earlier for all to enjoy. Lastly, why do you want another game with a similar battle system as the first two Paper Mario games? Do you really want a rehash and make Paper Mario near identical to other RPGs or do you want a fresh and new experience? Tanabe is just experimenting with the idea of Paper Mario which is not wrong. As far as I know Super Paper Mario and TTYD didn't even feel like real Mario games.
>>344056007
This pasta is getting old.
>>344056007
There is no God
>>344056089
YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU YOU RIKE!
>>344056323
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>Pretendos have reached the point where they have to siphon off of other memes to try and pretend that Color Splash is bad.
I was very pleased to see, during my third ban this month, just how much the E3 stream has really turned things around for those of us who believed in Nintendo to improve on the Sticker Star formula.
Despite all the shitposting, despite the attempts to pretend that Nintendo is making a huge mistake with this title, despite all of the crying about inconsequential things about it... people think the game looks fun for what it is. Which is, in and of itself, the most important thing.
>>344054589
>that whole changing the color of the toads thing
Legit upset by this. What the fuck are they thinking. Do they not care about writing decent characters anymore?
>writing jokes about how similar they all look
For fucks sakes
>>344047090
Just hide his posts and ignore him
>>344055201
>In striking that balance, while it's important that we do not overextend by putting an excessive amount of content in our games, the only solution is how to make software that sells well. There will be big hits somewhere in our business, and they support the games that fail and allow us to take on other challenges. So our basic premise is to create software that will sell in the range of at least two million units. We simply couldn't recoup our costs if we only released games in Japan that had sales of around 300,000 units, so the global market is our standard.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/160629qa/05.html
>>344056916
>Despite all the shitposting, despite the attempts to pretend that Nintendo is making a huge mistake with this title, despite all of the crying about inconsequential things about it... people think the game looks fun for what it is. Which is, in and of itself, the most important thing.
Fucking Alternate Universe niggers need to stop writing on this version 4chan when they have their own.
>>344057035
The jokes only work in specific cases like the toads at oceanfest, but when you do it for the entire cast it becomes annoying/shallow.
>>344046543
Not an argument.
>>344056916
I disagree, cody. The people who enjoy the new games are not the old fans. They are new people.
Nintendo killed it's old fanbase to try to get the new one (who are presumably kids/casuals) to shell in on their money. This will most likely backfire later, as the old fanbase will not just disappear and will voice their opinion, thus discouraging people to buy the new game.
You can see that happening already with paper jam.
>>344046635
FPBP
>>344057464
Paper Jam is actually a pretty good example of just how full of shit Paper Mario 'fans' have been lately.
Here we have a traditional M&L game that features Paper Mario, and the fans shit all over it for no reason. You were so wound up over what the game WASN'T that you never considered about what it actually WAS. A fun little crossover that emphasized classic characters in interesting, fun way.
There's nothing wrong with the traditional Paper Mario method, but there's also nothing wrong with taking new approaches to things.
>>344057464
>discouraging people to buy the new game.
Not him but that's rather petty. If you are so confident that Color Splash won't do well then why go around discouraging people?
>>344057974
>fun little crossover
>fun way
paper jam was a chore
thought I can see why autists would consider a chore fun
>>344057974
As a fan of old Paper Mario and M&L, Paper Jam was a disaster.
The game was a slog through with the horrible toad hunts. The combat and the bosses were good, but they padded the game too much with it later in the game (Bowser's castle beign the worst offender) and toads hunts were not optional, they were mandatory to complete the game. You literally couldn't proceed unless you had x toads to move that stupid statue or do some other shit. It was fun at first, but after the 3rd and 4th times it starts to drag on
At least it did a better job than sticker star at using the classic mario characters, but still why isn't even toadsworth around this time?
>>344057974
>there's literally more time dedicated to Paper Toads than the rest of the cast
Is it?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10676239
>>344059481
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10676239
Chose 1
I never played Paper Mario for the combat.
>>344057974
While I feel Paper Mario plays wonderfully & is satisfying to attack with in Paper Jam the other issues with that game such as Paper Craft, the dull overworld, the poor plot & mini-games (Paper Toad bullshit & other smaller things like throwing bombs at the Koopalings & Kamek) really make me find the game to be the weakest in the M&L series. Not to say it's total shit, it's just clearly the weakest, all it has going for is top-tier writing for classic characters & the gameplay is at it's finest.
But you really need both aspects to make a Mario RPG truly great, lacking one & having the other won't make it fun for a lot of people since people have split tastes on these series looking for one aspect over the other. Like for example, people mostly agree Sticker Star is overall shit since it's gameplay is not enjoyable for a lot and it's world & characters are poor to say the least but some will completely defend Super Paper Mario since it still has the 1 aspect that people loved about Paper Mario (the charm, story & world). In this case Paper Jam is the opposite of Super Paper Mario, it has the traditional Mario & Luigi gameplay but the world is fucking boring as hell. On that note though, I'm pretty confident M&L will be fine since the creators mentioned why the setting & etc. were like that. Other than that I think the series just needs a little break right now, maybe 4 or 5 years at most.
>>344059481
I want both things in the game no matter what but if I really had to choose I would pick the first I guess but as long as the gameplay was completely changed again, I hate this new gameplay style & want to go to scratch or even Super Paper Mario's style if they really are adamant about changing it.
>>344058490
You're a buffoon. the Toad hunts were better than the forced tutorials and minigames of the other games.
>>344059481
I honestly wouldn't mind Sticker Star and Color Splash if they did the first thing.
There were only about three memorable Toads in Sticker Star. And one of them had a coat.
Still upset
>Great execution
>Shit concept
Look on the bright side, they can't ignore the negativity that Color Splash garnered since it's reveal
If fucking Mario Party can somehow change after 9 and 10, then Paper Mario can too
Hell, Metroid is already guranteed to go back to normal since Fedforce only exists as lore fodder
>>344058408
>Paper Jam isn't fun!
Why not? Are you really implying that M&L isn't a good series? Is the combat too difficult for you?
>>344058490
>>344058584
Toad hunts aren't an issue. In fact, I reasonably enjoyed them.
>>344060153
At least the tutorials and minigames were one time only, not the same thing over and over.
>>344060312
>Are you really implying that M&L isn't a good series?
no but you'll make any wrong assumption to continue posting
>>344060312
>Are you really implying that M&L isn't a good series?
He didn't like Paper Jam, he never mentioned the series being shit.
>>344059481
>but only listens to half of what people want
Then the first wouldn't be an option.
>>344060371
>not the same thing over and over.
So you didn't play Paper Jam, did you? The Toad hunts weren't all just the same thing.
>>344060729
>The Toad hunts
What you just posted isn't a Toad hunt, though. That's a Toad puzzle.
>>344060371
>same thing over and over.
Got you .You never played the game.
Part of what makes the Toad Hunts so great in PJ is the fact that they constantly use the game's mechanics in fresh, creative ways. It's true that you're constantly collecting toads, but the way in which you do so varies greatly.
I'd say PJ has the best overworld mechanics in the entire series, actually. It makes returning to old areas fun and interesting, while constantly challenging you in unique ways. NOT just in combat.
>>344060816
Yeah but you were implying you did the same thing to get Toads every single time. Yet there's lots of different ways you get them.
someone post the one where miyamoto runs over a guy with his car
>>344061009
>Yeah but you were implying you did the same thing to get Toads every single time
Except I didn't. You think everyone replying to you is the same person.
>>344060729
I gave up at bowser's castle. The game is forgeteable, I only remember when bowser blew up peach's castle and king bob-omb.
From what I remember, there were like 3 or so puzzles like these, while the rest were those sneak around enemies/chase toads in areas you visited over and over. They literally reused the same minigames many times just in different areas. With some notable exceptions, all minigames are fundamentally the same shit and are unfun since you do the same task many, many times.
Haha! Colors!
Why does Nintendo think paper mario still needs a gimmick? The paper is the fucking gimmick.
>>344057974
>>344060729
I thought the puzzle ones were fun. The music reminded me of Layton. They weren't repeated too often. I think they only showed up a maximum of two times and all hard mode variants were optional
The ones where you have to run through a closed-off location you've been in and have to dash into Toads got annoying, especially with their weak excuses for why they're running away from the Bros.
>I SAW SOMETHING AND JUST RAN LOL NEVERMIND THAT TOADS IDENTIFIED US BY JUST THE COLORS BEFORE
>>344046543
>>344046543
and wasting nintendo's resources that could otherwise go into making other good games? i think not
>>344061234
>People who love Paper Jam constantly cite examples of what makes the game great
>People who hate Paper Jam 'Oh, I... uh,,, forget... it was forgettable! Yeah..."
You can't make this shit up.
>>344057974
We didn't want a fun little crossover, faggot. We wanted a full Paper Mario game, not some phoned in trash like SS, or MORE Mario & Luigi shit.
>>344061487
I played over sticker star 3 times and I can barely remember anything except wiggler, the mansion and chomp ruins.
>>344061345
Apparently they feel obligated to make a new paper gimmick each game.
You know, instead of an interesting new world full of unique, colorful characters.
>>344046543
Is there such a thing as bad WiiU box art
>>344061487
Paper Jam is a Mario and Luigi game, not a Paper Mario game.
>>>/vg/ with you pedo.
>>344061487
To be fair, most of Sticker Star was pretty forgettable since not every location had characters like Wiggler or Kamek to keep them interesting. The snow area, for example, I only remember because it had a remix of Mario 3 on the lift.
IMO it needed more murder.
>>344057974
Do you have to use gyro controls to do anything in the game? I absolutely cannot stand gyro controls for something you have to hold in your goddamn hands to see the fucking goddamn screen.
>>344060312
>>344060371
>>344060729
>>344060816
>>344060998
>>344061009
>>344061103
Jesus fuck you guys, if you want to see the variety or lack of variety of Toad Missions just watch them all here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TPNWGL3YHc
Honestly, I don't think the issue is straight up because you have to find Toads a lot, I think the issue is the main game is halted to do these mini-games almost all the time (even more so than other Mario & Luigi games). You do it when you find a new village pretty much & it usually is just to let you do the next Paper Craft thing which I've noticed not a lot of people cared for much. So doing that & then doing a Paper Craft thing isn't exactly exciting & leaves you with a bad, dull, boring taste in your mouth after you play the missions. Not to say it completely lacks these things but the game should've focused way more on unique puzzles that takes use of the abilities you have outside of battle in the areas than mini-games.
>Cody still hasn't been permabanned despite being 15 years old and a dedicated shitposter
>>344061702
Yeah too bad they focused on creative scenarios like pic related instead of a bunch of OC standing around towns.
>>344046543
I'd honestly go through the trouble of hunting down a perfectly preserved copy of TTYD than play that piece of garbage they're slapping the "Paper Mario" title on.
>>344062240
Paper Jam got rid of gyro.
The helicopter attack item feels too simplistic without it, though.
>>344062473
I might pick it up some time then. I liked Dream Team except for the gyro bits which completely ruined the damn game for me.
>>344062318
>Talking about video games on /v/ is ban worthy
Nice meme.My name isn't Cody, where did that even come from?
>>344046543
I'd rather have nothing than see one of my favorite series turn into complete trash
>>344062679
Your Miiverse account
So is your name Travis then?
>>344062279
Every time I entered a new area to see the lakitu icon on the map, I wanted to drop the game there.
>>344062323
Unfortunately, creative scenarios can get dragged down by generic locations like a grassland inhabited by Toads.
>>344062679
The 2-5 people triggered by a guy trying too hard to play contrarian found some literally who on Miiverse and now cry his name out at anything Paper-related.
>>344062318
>mfw once that Star Rod program is finished, someone will inevitably make an NPC whose sole purpose is to make fun of Cody
>>344062837
This kind of shit is why I never put personal information online.
Though not being an autist helps too.
>>344062872
>now cry his name out at anything Paper-related.
Nah, just his blatant shitposting. Do your fucking research
>>344062837
>>344062943
How close is that to being done? Does the guy making it have a blog or website or anything?
>>344062837
Christ, now who's autistic
>>344062790
My Miiverse account isn't under 'Cody.'
>>344062837
I think Pretendo is starting to take off in other communities.
>>344062837
>caring this much about a random person with a stupid opinion
The fag doesn't even have a trip.
>>344052336
Oh look he posted it again
>>344060084
>Color Splash on 3ds
dear god no
>>344046635
This really. If they aren't gonna make something like TTYD or the original they should just stop
>>344063097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4FGwguIPA
Even without it though, it's apparently easy to simply edit dialogue
>>344055201
Calling it now, NX will be a Nintendo smartphone
>>344055201
>NX shaping up to be another miserable failure with gimmicky crap that third parties won't touch with a 1000-foot pole
>>344057050
>>344047090
Who the fuck is Cody?
>>344063279
The person in the thread is either lying or it's just a huge coincidence
Consider
>>344061487
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/splatoon%20laughter/
>>344063261
He may as well have a trip, because he said he posts that Bowser to "make sure people know it's him"
>>344063279
>he's becoming a big issue
>generic shitposter
>recycles his posts more than Sticker Star uses red Toads
>only people who reply are defensive retards
>>344055320
>But SPM has good writing
Not according to the fans
>>344062943
>Character looks like a generic Red Toad but you immediately know who he is just because of his obnoxious dialogue and mannerisms
>>344063612
>He may as well have a trip
But then he'd just be a forgettable tripfag.
Like what's his face.
>>344063279
>he's becoming a big issue in these thread lately though
And you're helping him become a /v/-celeb. Great work genius.
>>344048186
Fuck you. Super paper Mario is good
>>344063637
>are defensive retards
Anon, Cody is defending himself
>>344063650
See this
>>344063890
He doesn't use a trip so people can't filter himEither that or he somehow can't figure out how to use one
Welp, M&L Anon just needs to show up and this thread will be complete
Sasuga
If the writing ends up being good, why does it matter that we get Toads instead of Toad with glasses, toad with bangs, toad with ponytail, etc.?
>>344064018
>Cody conveniently stops posting while someone starts dumping autistic infographics about him
>>344063247
Anon nobody mentioned Pretendo in this thread until you did
>>344064189
Because /v/ is filled with deviantards who love donutsteels.
>>344064193
thanks for the (You)
>>344064203
There's nothing really for me to say.
Personally, I'm of the mind that the people stalking some random person and acting as if that's me is much more autistic than someone who talks about video games on /v/, but that's just me.
>>344064054
>He doesn't use a trip so people can't filter him
You can filter people by images actually so just filter "Sticker Star final boss" and you'll be fine. Maybe "Splatoon laughter" also.
>>344046543
literally nothing would be better than this trash.
>>344064468
Sorry bub, the market's inflated to hell so your (you) is pretty much useless.
>>344064519
>conveniently replies to one post calling him out
>will attempt to prove this post wrong by replying to the post a second time several minutes late
attention whoring 101 shit right there folks
>>344055201
Miyamoto is responsible for a lot of their recent failures as far as the actual Nintendo games go. He still makes some great stuff from time to time, but his stubbornness leads games away from their potential.
If pic related is ever allowed to have more freedom, particularly in actually being allowed to handle a Zelda, Nintendo will start getting better. He's been responsible for some of the best ideas Nintendo has had, but he is always being thrown under the bus by Miyamoto/Aonuma.
>>344064054
>>344064747
>not just filtering Sticker Star
You get rid of shitposting and tired discussion of its obvious flaws.
>>344064848
I'm surprised Koizumi hasn't left at this point if he isn't allowed to write
Guy went to fucking film school
>>344064848
Isn't this the guy that started the whole "Toad and Toadette don't have genders" thing
>>344064189
>If the writing ends up being good
>all the characters look the same, but the dialogue will make them unique
>SS was literally all Toads being snarky and self-aware of their material
Pfffhaha ok
>>344064848
>Koizumi
He's hit and miss considering he wanted to do to mess Mario Galaxy up what the same way as he did with Sunshine.
Probably out of spite of not handling LoZ.
>>344065189
He didn't write Sunshine
>>344064189
/v/ has this weird conspiracy meme going on about how Nintendo is intentionally trying to force generic characters onto everything in order to ruin people's fun forever. but the real reason seems to be just that the generic characters are an artistic decision in this case because they wanted to go for the type of humor that works better if every character looks the same.
There's no reason to believe it's an intentionally malicious thing that Nintendo is doing. basically /v/ is just extremely bored and desperate to push this sensationalist story about this evil corrupt empire who is out to destroy everything they love.
>>344065028
That's just cost saving by reusing the same assets over and over
>>344065001
That was Koichi Hayashida
>>344065028
> the real reason seems to be just that the generic characters are an artistic decision in this case because they wanted to go for the type of humor that works better if every character looks the same.
>Trying THIS hard to justify Nintendo being lazy fucks.
No one is saying Nintendo is intentionally being malicious about it, you moron, we're saying they just can't be assed to do better.
>>344065239
Koizumi directed it so he would have been responsible for letting it be that way and he wanted Galaxy to be that way according to Iwata Asks.
>>344064848
He has his own studio as of last year.
>>344065257
>/v/ has this weird conspiracy meme going on about how Nintendo is intentionally trying to force generic characters onto everything in order to ruin people's fun forever.
What the fuck?
>but the real reason seems to be just that the generic characters are an artistic decision in this case because they wanted to go for the type of humor that works better if every character looks the same.
So shitty writing?
>>344065367
Shit, I don't know how I got them mixed up
>>344065189
what'd he do to sunshine, and what did he "almost do" to Galaxy?
All I know of Koizumi is he can write some decent stories/character or atmosphere stuff. He wrote the story to Link's Awakening, basically did all the dark elements in Majoras Mask, and sneaked in Rosalina's Storybook in Galaxy.
>>344065483
The standard Mario designs are superior to any of the unique designs Paper Mario had. The best looking things in Paper Mario either are directly from it or heavily follow the Mario series design.
The more they diverged from the standard Mario style the shittier the designs were.
>>344065748
Super Paper Mario is why Miyamoto suggested that they use standard Mario designs because he felt they didn't belong in Mario. He's right. They were nothing but shapes, but they took it to the next level with nothing but Toads.
>>344065714
Koizumi almost made Galaxy truly childish as opposed to "for everyone".
>>344065748
The paper mario designs are the good point between standard and custom, they were still recognizeable while being original.
SPM's designs were out of place to emphatize the "another universe" thing, but it divided the franchise a lot.
>>344065941
Because Rosalina's dead mother was childish
>>344066012
No there's something up with the original designs that isn't just a case of Super Paper Mario. You have good ones like the Clefts which follow Mario conventions. Then you have the more "unique ones" which like pic related from TTYD took a turn for the worst in my opinion.
>>344065748
Only Super Paper Mario's enemy designs were poor & unfitting, besides maybe like the Wizzerds in TTYD. Regardless they could still make good new enemies in these games, just get the people who made 3D Worlds new enemies for assistance.
>>344066326
TTYD made a lot of weird designs that don't truly fit Mario, but it somewhat made sense since rogueport wasn't in the mushroom kingdom, but it's a stretch.
If anything, using only the PM64 stuff would be the best choice for a new game, but not the same copy paste blandness of sticker star.
>>344066326
>>344066394
such a shit design and stupid name
>>344065941
I took that as Miyamoto being an idio- I mean, someone who's just plain opposed to story at all. As I mentioned before, Koizumi wrote the storybook in Galaxy, as well as the stories of Link's Awakening and Majoras Mask, which MM especially was less childish. What we don't know from Miyamoto's quote is what's the context of that line? Who says it? No one has any idea what Koizumi's vision of Mario ever was because he was never allowed the freedom to try it.
What's more, if you wanna go that route of mario games that are too childish, wasn't it Miyamoto who told the team to just have Bowser bake a cake and lure peach with it?
>>344066262
>Because Rosalina's dead mother was childish
That was part of the new story. The old/real story of Galaxy is something we'll never know.
>>344066585
Koizumi had to put that in secretly
>>344066585
And Miyamoto hated that too. After seeing that, he had a 4-hour long talk with Koizumi to shut down his ideas of any kind of story in Galaxy 2.
>>344066549
>>344066549
>What we don't know from Miyamoto's quote is what's the context of that line? Who says it?
Yeah we do. Miyamoto literally says it's the player controlled Mario saying it.
>"Taking how Mario's line can be scripted as an example they even propose to write 'Where'd my Mommy go?' when someone in their fifties like me hears their player character speak childishly like that, it doesn't sit quite right"
>Taking how Mario's line can be scripted
>"Where'd my Mommy go?"
>When someone in their fifties like me hears their player-character speak childishly.
If there was a Miyamoto directed game where Mario said something like that, you lot would be ripping the games to shreds. But because Koizumi wrote something like that the context is magically different?
>>344059481
You know, if they just made the whole sticker shit like MMBN, it wouldn't be so bad.
>>344064189
>If the writing ends up being good
I'd be very impressed if they managed to pull that off after how hard Sticker Star failed to differentiate similar characters through dialogue.
>>344062837
>>344067187
>as an example
I'm still unsure whether Mario himself said it or if Miyamoto was exaggerating. If anything, the lumas I thought said something similar to that, so I thought he was referencing that (which, it makes sense for lumas to say such a line.)
However, fair enough if it's true he did mean that Mario said it. I'm not saying he didn't. But that still doesn't give us the context of the line.
>>344064189
Because humans are visual creatures and if they all look the same even with different personalities, the character won't stick in your memory because it is identical to a lot others who are bland/unimportant.
>>344064189
It matters since having unique characters help build a interesting world. It'd be even better if there were a lot of enemies you speak to also. That's what helped make the original Paper Mario games great, enemies could also be neutral or even allies, for examples there's a Koopa village in PM64 & TTYD, a Ninji helps you get to the snow village in PM64, Ravens help you on Lavalava Island in PM64, Glitzville is literally a battle arena of enemies you fight but can still be friendly with outside of the ring & Fahr Outpost is a place filled with Bob-ombs.
>>344062323
>play through creative scenarios once
>have to deal with the same crappy character with different personalities during the whole game
mfw
>>344067950
>I'm still unsure whether Mario himself said it
Miyamoto refers to the player character which could only be Mario or Luigi.
> If anything, the lumas I thought said something similar to that, so I thought he was referencing that
He's referencing something that he had removed from the game. He took action to change what Mario Galaxy was like. Since the Lumas still refer to Rosalina in the game as Mommy, they aren't what Miyamoto had issue with.
>However, fair enough if it's true he did mean that Mario said it. I'm not saying he didn't. But that still doesn't give us the context of the line.
The problem has little to do with the context, not even Baby Mario speaks that childishly in the games where he has lines. So to ever have Mario speak that way is weird.
No, it fucking isn't. I don't know why /v/ cares though, most only consider the first game any good.
>>344070962
>most only consider the first game any good
Bitch everybody loved TTYD
>>344071093
Not anymore.
>>344069547
>Not even baby mario speaks that childishly in the games where he has lines.
Of course he never spoke a line like that. There was never any context for him to speak a line like that. How do you know it's weird to have Mario speak those lines if you never experienced it yourself, besides "because miyamoto said so?"
Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible that whatever Koizumi's story for mario was could be completely unfitting. It's possible it could be another case of Other M (And I'm saying this as someone who enjoyed the stories he did write, of which none were childish.) But without the context, that is, without knowing for certain what Koizumi's story was in the first place, there's no way of knowing whether it was unfitting or not. The problem has everything to do with context, which includes the story itself as much as the history of Mario in other games as well.
>>344046543
is Wii U dead? should I wait for the NX?
I bought the fatal frame/project zero special edition because its rare as fuck and I hatre digital, but the wii u prices for consoles are at the same of a PS4
>>344071610
Just wait until NX comes out. Wii U barely has anything worth playing. If you really want to play the few games it has, just buy a cheap console used or wait for the emulator to be finished.
>>344068073
All my asian friends look the same but I can tell them apart on how they act.
your move.
>>344071610
Yeah, it's pretty much dead at this point. This list is old but here's a list of games for it. Pretty much only Color Splash & Zelda: BotW are coming out for it next & even then the Zelda game will be coming out on the NX as well.
>>344072440
That's racist anon.
>>344072260
>>344072825
Welp guess I'll wait for the NX
Hope it has backwards compatibility and not the buy digital new console version/port
