Is there a law prohibiting your main character from smoking or is this just another layer of social justice and political correctness?
If so, who the fuck cares, why are pretend cigarette worst than pretend murder?
>>344031582
They let you do drugs in games, but smoking is haram.
Same with sex, procreation is bad but murdering is fun.
>>344031686
I don't understand that at all, especially when all the NPC around me are smoking.
>>344031582
ITT: Bitching About Nothing
Would you want to spend 5 minutes leaning up against a wall watching a smoking animation? Solid Snake smoked, the protag from the first BioShock smoked, I smoke too but I'm not raged at not being represented for my vice.
>>344032080
>Would you want to spend 5 minutes leaning up against a wall watching a smoking animation?
What the fuck, completely invalid and conveniently made up situation, I can perfectly keep the clop in the corner of my mouth while I pop shit, or just walk around.
why not is the real question.
especially when all resource and animation are present.
>>344031582
smoking is being phased out in media and it has been for many years now. people don't want their kids to start smoking and rightfully so. unfortunately it's too easy for kids to get their hands on M rated games. if governments started taking games seriously, and handed out punishments for letting children play M rated games, then we would see a return to form.
>>344031582
>Is there a law prohibiting your main character from smoking
No but I wish there was a law against smoking so much dick so we could lock you away, out of polite society, you hideous retard.
>it's a "i pay 8 dollars a day to slowly give myself cancer" episode
>>344032957
>ban cigarette
>video games make children do bad things
>I want more control from the government please
wew lad
>>344033105
I'd rather smoke than consume high fructose corn syrup
>>344033105
Oh thats right, I frogot I was on a board filled with meeky nerd with dried spaghetti sauce in the corner of their mouth. The guy of people who can't swallow their saliva correctly.
>>344031582
Can you give a single example of a game where the lack of smoking is an issue in any way whatsoever?Can you give a single reason why this thread is on /v/ you cancerous faggot?
>>344033296
You realize you can do neither, right? That that's an option?
>>344032957
>I hate freedom
If you smoke because you think it looks cool you're basically subscribing to the fedorafag philosophy of substituting accessories for actually being interesting.
Why not buy a duster while you're at it?
Depends on the country.
I know it's illegal to show underage characters smoking on TV at least in japan
>>344032957
They should put their money where their mouth is and get it outlawed then.
>>344033375
I can inject pseudo heroine and even catch aids but smoking cigarette is BADBADBADBADBADBAD
>>344031582
So what is this actually about? There have been a lot of threads about this lately
>>344031582
Can you name any media targeted at children that features the protagonist smoking?
I think smoking in a game auto bumps your rating up from teen. That's why they removed Graves Cigar in League
>>344031582
There are laws regarding tobacco advertising, some countries are very, very strict about it, but most of it is just due to the ratings boards deciding smoking is egregious enough that it has serious ramifications on your game's rating and that's because of, arguably warranted, anti-smoking crusades by various groups throughout the 70s, 80s and 90s.
>>344033212
>>344033476
there's already punishments for letting underage kids smoke and drink. if the same governments think that games and movies can be potentially harmful then they should get the same treatment. it doesn't restrict your freedom, it would just be another rule for kids to follow. when you turn 17 then you're free to go.
>>344033567
>Deflecting this hard
>>344033567
It's not that your habit is bad (which it is) it's just that it's not worth including. Having strong feelings for smoking is absolutely fucking absurd, migh as well start complaining about the lack of chewing gum in videogames you sperg.
ITT: morally superior virgins
>>344032716
>While I pop shit and walk around
Confirmed non-smoker. The smoke gets in your eyes real fast, good luck keeping them open.
>>344033695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZvHiiWFbBU
There's a reason we had to ban Joe Camel et al. Big Tobacco was using cartoons to sell poison to children.
>>344033915
Why is it not worth including for the player when all the NPC are?
>>344033956
confirmed occational smoker
git gud
>>344031582
>muh SJW boogymen
Its concerned parent groups (neo-prohibitionist Christian morality types) that are leading this. The same type of asshats behind the ESRB and PMRC
>>344033695
>Can you name any media targeted at children
So it's fine for your kids to get a hooker and murder people and get in streets gangs but god forbid if he smoke.
>Murika
>>344031582
nobody's going to murder because they did it in a game. people might start smoking because someone did it in a game.
also smoking is shit. a terrible buzz that stops being a thing within a month of smoking, stupidly addictive, expensive, and super damaging to your health.
>cigarette smoking is linked to about 80% to 90% of lung cancers
>people who smoke cigarettes are 15 to 30 times more likely to get lung cancer or die from lung cancer than people who do not smoke
>"lmao u virgin I know a guy whos been smoking his whole life and he's fine even though he hasn't been to a doctor in 30 years and can't get dressed without becoming out of breath"
>>344033695
Pinocchio
There's some spanking lost ITT
It's a beta fest
>>344034045
Why not complain about the specific game that you have aprolem with anon, at this point everyone knows what you're talking about.
Just mod it in it's easy as fuck.
Fucking Vanquish had a dedicated smoke button. It also effected gameplay and had an achievement
>>344033105
>>344033296
I'd rather vape than smoke tobacco
>>344034253
No one is saying it's not bad.
The point he's trying to make is that he's frustrated there's such a backlash against it but not other things that are worse than it.
Besides, you do not know how every person is going to react to what you are writing/filming/developing, the best thing to do is see if what you are introducing in your thing is going to be consistent with all the other elements and generally makes sense with what you're trying to convey.
Developers already put certain things instead of others and sacrifice consistency and the value of their games for cash, it'd be even worse if they sacrificed it because someone might feel offended by it.
OP, you can't even show a beer advertisement with people drinking alcohol in it.
>>344034517
you can't mod DEHR and I'm pretty sure Adam won't smoke in the next one. In fact he's pretty much going to be a redditor who found enlighten from the queenz. Fuck he literally says he needs to check his augmented privilege.
But even if I could mod it why should I fix it. It should have come out like that the first time anyway.
>>344034253
>smoking rates have massively declined
>lung cancer rates have increased
I don't mean to defend smoking, it's obviously carcinogenic and very bad for you, but there is a lot of bullshit about attributing all lung cancer to smoking in some way or another. There's a hell of a lot of nasty shit in the air we breath that has nothing to do with cigarettes.
>>344035125
there's not even a backlash against it
MGSV had cigars, Fallout 4 has them to sell even if you can't smoke them
>>344031582
What? Main characters can smoke, nobody really cares
>Metal Gear Solid protags
>Deadly Premonition
>Devils Third
>Bioshock
>Saints row
>Grand Theft Auto 5
The only reason I agree with OP despite his uneducated and irascible posting is because it should be possible in Fallout.
Everybody smoked in the 50s. Everybody smokes in post-apocalyptic movies. Everybody smokes in noir films, hell, everybody smokes in old sci-fi movies.
Doesn't really mesh with the aesthetic or setting, if you ask me.
>>344035420
>MGSV had cigars
Wasn't there the vape thingy? I haven't played much of it.
>>344035420
Aside from ''muh metal gear'' do you have anything else to bring to the table?
>>344035604
I said Fallout 4
what the fugg cigarettes have to do with social justice
i swear "SJW!" is just a scape goat for people to pin whatever they blame their miserable forever alone internet shut in lives on. where in reality, no one gives a shit about this gg vs sjw shit
play vanquished
>>344035584
your post is irascible, fuck face
>>344031582
What?
Characters smoke in tons of games
You find cigarettes in Far Cry 4 and Dying Light...but you don't smoke 'em though.
>>344035254
What the fuck are you even talking about it at this point? Adam Jensen DOES smoke.
Do you want to click on an item in your inventory and smoke to pop out like in Deus Ex? Is this the issue?
>>344035690
yeah you can't smoke them.
meanwhile piper light one up after every pounding I give her.
>>344033296
>hfcs is worse than smoking
Nice try smoking companies
>>344033296
That's retarded
>>344035850
Do you really feel slanted over not being able to smoke them even though other characters do and you can still obtain them?
>>344035849
>Do you want to click on an item in your inventory and smoke to pop out like in Deus Ex?
Yes.
Why the fuck not. The NPC can do it. The animation is there. Just give it to the player.
Holy shit. What's so fucking revolting about this?
those goddamned SJWs at the CDC and their politically correct anti-lung cancer bullshit are in for a rude awakening when they see this post
>>344034253
I occationally smoke for the effect it gives. It mellows me out a bit.
For instance, I recently went to a music festival and a cigarette from time to time made me enjoy it more.
If I die at 75 instead of at 77 then that's fine.
The worst thing about cogerettes is the smell. Oh and how every smoker will bug you non stop if they dont have cigerettes. Like fuck off just ban that garbage already
>>344036083
kek
>>344036190
lol smoking cigarettes doesnt knock health off your lifebar
>>344035926
He's making an ass out of himself, but I would be annoyed about NPCs being able to use an item I can hold but can't use.
It's not world ending which is why he should cool his jets, but annoying.
>>344032983
But Medic Boss vapes
>>344036083
>mockling anti-pc sentiments
The ultimate tool.
>>344036206
We should also ban alcohol, gum, and anything spicy, because I don't like the way it smells and people keep bothering me.
>>344035962
>Holy shit. What's so fucking revolting about this?
Who said it's revolting? No one fucking cares for something that minor. In the original Deus ex you actually died after smoking too many packs too.
Your issue is a non-issue and this thread is completely pointless.
>>344036471
That's bait
That must be
>>344036282
I like the way Bioshock did smoking.
Boosts your EVE but lowers your health, slightly.
Meaning if you smoke and drink you cancel both out and are perfectly healthy, healthier even.
>>344036471
Yeah we should actually. Nothing good ever came of them
>gum and spices
Trying really hard to not seem biased aint ya
>>344036523
Also we should ban pickup trucks, because their noise bothers me, as well as Cox internet, because I hate seeing their commercials.
>>344036471
i'd be willing to hear an argument about a gum ban that shit is more of a public nuisance than good
>>344036583
Singapore has banned chewing gum, why shouldn't the rest of the world?
It's a disgusting habit, loud, gross, creates filthy refuse, and will degrade your jaws and teeth.
Spicy things destroy your taste buds, give you bad breath, and you bother everyone ruining your food by putting it on everything.
>>344036583
Not him but
>Nothing good ever came of them
So what's the the train of thought here? Everything must have a positive purpose towards the future?
Besides, who decides what's good and bad for you? The government?
>>344033296
...so you eat tobacco?
>>344036852
>Besides, who decides what's good and bad for you?
I do, the person you've never met who could even have the slightest chance of having their day ruined by other people.
I have facts and figures and anecdotal evidence corroborated by other people like me that prove the thing you enjoy is bad and should be banned.
>>344036471
secondhand smoke also causes cancer
>>344033105
Wait a minute that post...
A bunch of vidya characters smoke m8.
>>344036501
Ahahah this is a great feature.
MGS smoking kills Snake too.
Vanquish also has a dedicated smoke button.
Also the reason people don't like portraying people smoking in games is because to most people it's off putting and disgusting. You are all free to kill yourselves in your own time but most people in the first world are not brainwashed by the tobacco companies because we were brainwashed by the government to not be brainwashed and the smell, taste and everything about smoking to us is putrid.
>>344035695
wat? you know SJW stands for "social justice warrior" and generally means somebody who goes on tirades for what they think is morally right, right? gg is over and has nothing to do with anything.
as a smoker who self inserts in RPGs I feel it would be nice for immersion but who the fuck really cares. the real problem is that the morals behind it are lazy and and lacking of consistency.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11170/?
>>344036190
Smoking is most likely to present problems starting in your 40's and you are at higher risk of dying starting then too, not 75.
Cigs should be banned, along with any alchohol with higher than 6%
>>344033296
High fructose corn syrup is actually healthier than smoking because if you do both in moderation one's negative effects are negligible and the other is still fucking up your lungs.
>>344036852
Are you really trying to imply that cigs are ever good for you?
>>344037047
Petition it then
>>344032983
>tfw took up smoking cigars/shitty cigarellos because it looked cool in MGS4.
The great thing about my complete lack of self-control in the face of peer pressure is to remember everyone thinks smoking is uncool and bam, I quit again.There is literally still nothing better than slowly smoking a fat fucking cigar over a 45 minute period and pretending you're the creation of a hackneyed asian that is dying a literal and metaphorical death to the tune of a single acoustic guitar
>>344037526
>not liking spirits
Faggot
>>344037193
So does car exhaust.
We should ban all cars and have people ride bicycles.
>>344033296
>Shit Smokers Say
>>344037670
I am trying to say not everything has to be good for your health to be allowed to be consumed
>>344037771
why do you think people have been trying to find alternative fuel sources for ages, you fucking buffoon?
>>344037691
I already have!
>>344037771
We should actually. Whats the downside again?
>>344031582
What kind of retard do you need to be to think smoking isn't in games because of fucking social justice? This is a new level of retardation
>>344037526
>beerfags
>>344033695
To be fair literally nothing since the 70s, and I'm pretty sure the smoking cartoons have been completely eliminated from the occasional vintage shows.
Its a generational thing, I'm near 30 and I distinctly remember seeing smoking in goddamn every fucking hanna barbera cartoon, there was even some olympic special where a fucking horse was smoking.
A HORSE.
>>344037846
>why do you think people have been trying to find alternative fuel sources for ages
Not because of cancer, you dolt.
>>344037526
>along with any alchohol with higher than 6%
Even ignoring the fact that alcohol has extensive practical uses this is utterly pointless because it's easy to distill into a higher concentration.
>>344037897
>implying
Its just enough to keep you alchohol babs from killing yourselves
>>344037970
Duh
You were the only one pretending it causes cancer anywhere that isn't China or LA
>>344037979
Alcohol that can be consumed as a drink has no practical uses, don't kid yourself.
I do agree however that his solution doesn't do anything.
>>344035762
there's maybe a handful where the main character smokes and it's an action you can do in game
because some retards actually think smoking wont harm you. you might as well roll up your money and smoke it for the same effect. Whenever i see someone smoking i know they are a moron with no budgeting skills
>you can smoke in deus ex
>all it does is poison you
FUCKING 1999 SJWS
>>344037919
Also to be fair, the full health risks of smoking were not fully known during a time when those cartoons were made, and when they were known, it was by the tobacco companies themselves and the medical community.
Hanna-Barbera didn't know shit, they just knew it was a lot of dosh from advertising, and hell, everybody in the office was smoking, why should they oppose it?
And even though it was a children's cartoon, the Flintstones at the very least was quite popular with adult audiences (unsurprising, since it was a reskinned version of the Honeymooners), so while it's not a good thing for the kids, I'm willing to bet the companies were more looking for the parents watching with their children.
i found an unopened pack of smokes while walking my dog yesterday
its the law here to give it a fucking terrifying packagingi threw it out because i didnt want any kids to find it
>>344033695
Lucky Luke
>>344037979
>extensive practical uses
Like killing drivers and children.
>>344038378
they could be someone who started too early to know better and are victims of addiction
hence why they aren't often in media that children consume
>>344038136
And you're the one pretending it causes cancer anywhere that isn't right next to you.
The dink in the smoking section of the restaurant isn't going to cut your life expectancy in half just because he's lighting up thirty feet away from you.
>>344038570
the people who are 5 feet from him are at risk though
>>344033105
You faggots do realize that he's right and that he uploaded a Freud picture for a reason? Read up on Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, and how he helped the tobacco industry in the early-to-mid XXth c., including convincing women to smoke (cigs as "torches of emancipation" or something like that).
>>344038657
Every place I've been in with a smoking section there's at least ten feet of space between it and the other tables.
>>344038695
Freud was still a constant smoker, though.
>Character can actually smoke in the game
>It instantly damages health
Wow what a great gameplay addition.
>>344038494
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Applications
>>344038929
>The avid smoker refused to admit that he had penis envy instead and stop.
Good work Freud "Sometimes a cigar is just a mmmmm cock" Bergstromskistein
>>344038929
And died of jaw cancer caused by smoking.
>>344038993
>Smoking decreases health
>Increases magic stat equivalent
>>344038994
All I see is applications for death.
>We should force other people to live their lives the way we want to.
>>344038391
>he started keeping a straw in his mouth and eventually weaned off that too
>if I remember correctly, they replaced his cigarettes with straws in later re-prints of older issues
I never thought smoking as cool as a child but I was still mad that they removed such an iconic part of one of my favourite characters.
>>344033105
A pack of ciggies is like $2 here
>>344039556
I guess you trust nobody else'll gollow that link.
Not that alcohol's medical and industrial uses aren't common knowledge even elementary kids know.
>>344039678
I don't want to treat smokers' lung cancer with my tax money, same goes with morbidly obese idiots. Unless you live in a polluted area and can't afford to move (the former), or suffer from a genetic disease/lived your whole life in a food desert (the latter) you can fuck off.
>>344040030
I don't even know how you can get obese, I live in Canada and you'd need to spend hundreds of dollars a week just to get enough food to make yourself fat. It's literally impossible all I can afford is healthy food I can't even afford mcdonalds
>>344040259
No-brand oats are piss-cheap everywhere in the Western world, same goes for overripe veggies or lean meat 1-2 times a week. Unless you have Down's syndrome you should be able to fucking figure out that perhaps eating junk food isn't the best option out there. And yeah, neither can I afford to eat at McDonald's every day.
>>344039995
>elementary kids
Exactly why is should be eliminated.
>Called a smoker because I buy 3 packs a year
God forbid one of my friends catch me smoking one of the few times I do a year. The nicotine rush is good every once in a while. Thank goodness they taste awful and am conscious of how I smell, or I'd probably buy them all the time.
>>344041381
I'm like this, except I literally don't give a shit if I smell of smoke, or indeed shit.
I just like the very occasional experience, its incredibly calming. I won't even buy as many as you do, I maybe go through a pack a year, but goddamn its good.
>>344041381
I feel you, anon. I buy one pack of American Spirit lights every four or five months and my friends treat it like I'm smoking a pack a day. People just like attacking you for things that are easy and acceptable to attack you for so they feel like a good person.
>>344041381
>>344041676
>>344041694
Or, y'know, they care about you and don't want to see you hurt yourself, even if it's just hurting yourself a little bit.
>>344041925
No dude. If you knew these people you would understand. There's a big difference between caring about someone and trying to start a witch hunt.
>>344041925
People should listen to their own advice.
It'd be a living hell to hear that shit 24/7, no matter what vice you're taking.
>>344041925
Yeah I'm pretty sure my addiction to pain medication is doing that, I just enjoy smoking very occasionally.
Plus I'm not the other guy anon, I don't think my friends particularly care, they'd be surprised but I think in the grand scheme of things they'd be more worried about the box of co-codamol I chew through a day.
>>344041925
Every breath you take is just one more step towards death. You're hurting yourself, Anon. I think you should just stop.I don't have a picture edgy enough for this.
>>344041381
>smokes
>wonders why he's called a smoker
Are you retarded?
>>344042769
But you fuck one goat.
I ejaculate tar out of my lungs daily.
>>344040559
>Oats, dried chick peas, rice, bran
Honestly being poor is no excuse for eating like a pig. I just started budget eating and I've never eaten healthier.
>had 8/10 girlfriend
>find out her parents smoke
>had to break it off with her
>don't want her cancer infecting my straight-edge patrician lifestyle
