So she's getting nerfed, right?
>only character able to fly
>probably the best weapon among all offense classes (literally a better junkrat weapon)
>most mobility in the game
>can attack from any angle
>can keep in the air for 10-15 seconds easily
>teamwipe ultimate
>extremely overpowered combo with mercy
>easiest environmental kills in the entire game
To add insult to injury, there are only 3 characters in the entire game that can do anything to her. Soldier, McCree and Widowmaker, and it's not as hard of a counter as Winston vs Genji or something similar, she still has a fighting chance.
So she counters 17 characters and 3 characters can do something to her.
>>344023896
>teamwipe ult
Utter shit at anything but short range and turns you into bait for anyone further away.
She's butter against a decent Widowmaker, maybe even a Hanzo. In proper games she has to scan the map and shoot down any widows before they get her.
>>344023896
>better junkrat weapon
>shoots twice as slow
>can't bounce around corridors and rooms indefinitely
Pharah is balanced. You actually need to be somewhat good at aiming and leading to do anything with her because her aiming is all she has. You can't just pick Pharah and do shit like you can Reaper or 76, you need practice if you've never played a character type like her before.
I also hate these threads because people assume the character that needs to get nerfed are smart and everyone else is an idiot who can't do anything. Git gud.
>trouble with Pharah
hon hon hon
>>344024706
A character being harder to learn doesn't excuse them from being overpowered
The only time this is true is when the ceiling is so high that nobody will reach it consistently
And let's be honest, overwatch skill ceilings are basically limited to aiming, which applies to virtually every character
>>344023896
>literally a better junkrat weapon
so you can't aim and rely on splash damage?
>>344023896
You are actually right, the competitive scene is in Pharah meta for a reason. Her counters are relatively soft, and unlike Roadhog who is similarly soft-countered, her incredible mobility makes for a constant threat.
Don't know what you could safely nerf about her, though.
>>344025216
At least she has counters, unlike soldier.
Pharah dies pretty fast and her rockets aren't very lethal.
If the enemy team has a couple of shooters (snipers, 76, zeny), she's not going to get much to happen on her own.
>>344025131
But Pharah isn't overpowered though. She's a strong Offense character and that's it. Overpowered would be pre-nerf Widow who had no counters accept a better Widow. Pharah has counters and good Pharahs are rewarded for their aiming skill.
>>344025216
hover time most likely
>>344025465
true, soldiers were/are a true TF2 menace. Even demoman wasn't as bad after he couldn't solomain stickies.
Phara gets raped by Roadhog as well
>>344023896
>It's high noon
>I've got you in my sights
>No one can escape from my vision
>KATAWA KIKUTO KOWAAAAA
>Bastion
>Troborjn
>Unbeatable
OP pls
>>344023896
>play Roadhog
>See Phara flying up
>Justice rai-
> you hook then shoot face
>Uagh
> 100 XxfaggotxX Eliminated
Be more aware of your surroundings. If you move around and check who is behind you every now and then you won't die until you are either gangraped by 3 or some shit catches you off gaurd.
>>344025724
No soldier 76
what is this tf2 nonsense?
It's actually embarrassing that people would think pharah would need a nerf.
But I guess if you've never played an fps before it you'd get that impression
Pharah problem is three fold.
Nobody else does what Pharah does. For example, McCree and Soldier have overlap as mid-range specialists. Genji and Tracer are both flankers. Pharah is Pharah, periods. She completely annihilates static defenses and is the only flier in the map.
Second, Pharah is part of the most overpowered combo in the game, which is Pharah + Mercy. You need a Soldier with INSANE aiming skill to beat a Pharah + Mercy combo, and even then you most likely will actually need 2 Soldiers to reliable shoot them down.
Three, Pharah's ult paired with Zarya is a free push in every single map. You're losing in payload? No problem, once these two ults are up you get a free successful push.
Pharah IS the meta in competitive because of these three, and the fact both McCree and Widow got nerfed really hard. You either need to add more, harder counters to her (in the form of good hitscan characters) or just nerf her. The fact remains a good chunk of the cast has no chance at ever taking down Pharah. Tracer, Junkrat, Reinhardt, Winston, Reaper, Torb, D.Va, Zarya, many of these heros just have NO chance at ever beating Pharah because they're projectile based and can't fly. In exchange, Pharah is relatively "weak" to Soldier, McCree and Widowmaker. And by relatively weak what people actually mean is "these characters can actually stand to Pharah and expect to win".
>>344025957
Ah. Soldier is also solid. Not convinced he's overpowered, I think he sees primary play because of the Pharah meta.
>>344023896
>3 characters can do something to her
She has the hard counters you listed but a good Hanzo can destroy her shes slow as fuck in the air. I hook Pharah all the time as Roadhog and he can immediately interrupt her ult. A good Mei can knock her out of the air with alt fire and easily outrange her.
Also
>Soldier is a hard counter
>Soldier is one of the most versatile characters in the game
Soldier is used often in competitive and is good in nearly any situation so one of her biggest counters is a character that sees a lot of play and is universally good on almost any team.
>>344026226
hanzo arrows are stupidly slow, i have no problem whatsoever dodging them in the air
also soldier sees a lot of play and is universally good but so is pharah, you usually pick both because soldier is more of a softcounter to pharah than anything else
>>344026113
>pharah
>mid range specialist
It's amusing that you think so.
The only thing she does other than flanking is take over junkrat's job but he's a garbage hero for noobs so it's no great loss.
>>344026113
The point of her ult going with Zarya's is silly because Zarya's ult is amazing when paired with nearly every other ult in the game.
>>344023896
Pick Soldier and just shoot her down you gargantuan shitter
I bet you're one of those retards that "main" heroes and get butthurt when you lose.
>teamwipe ultimate
Only absolute garbage cans let her use the ultimate for more than half a second. She becomes a large glowing target when using it.
>>344026207
He's not overpowerd so much as he has no actual counter and you can use him for every map and comp.
Him being anti-pharah is just part of the reason.
>>344026332
>i dont have any reading comprehension
>>344026357
>Only absolute garbage cans let her use the ultimate for more than half a second. She becomes a large glowing target when using it.
This desu.
It has the potentional for team wipes with proper coordination with other ultimates or support from other characters but using it along your just asking to get bodied.
i think Genji fucks up pharah pretty good.
>>344026343
only other ult with similar synergy is hanzo ult
also pharah and zarya have great synergy in general due to barriers
>>344026492
No, you are just retarded if you think she can take over mccree and soldiers role as mid range dps.
I feel like 75% of the characters need a minor tweak to make them just a little less powerful. Simple stuff, like:
>Reaper cannot count toward the objective while in wraith form
>Genji has to complete his entire reflect animation before moving on to his next attack
>Shorter duration of Roadhog's hook stun
>Longer duration of flashbang stun, so that it's more reflective of the lower damage McCree does
>>344023896
I would pay a lot of money (up to $100) for a bikini Pharah skin, with magic replacing her suit's functions.
Excuse me, did You just want to teamwipe ult?
>>344026643
well then you're wrong and you should gitgud and join the gitgud club so you can stop spouting nonsense
>>344026643
Hunting Pharahs in the air is the best feeling in the world. But he doesn't fuck her up at all.
>when you play Zarya and a allied Pharah uses Barrage into your surge
>then the fucking Mercy jumps out of spawn and rezzes everyone
Wait, are we in bizarro world now?
The meta is still Widowmaker, nothing much changed for good players apart from a reduction in mobility while shooting due to the quickscope nerf.
Pharah is never gonna get a teamwipe ult off unless she gets both a Zarya ult and a Zarya shield.
>>344025636
I don't think she's overpowered either
She could use a stronger counter in my opinion
>>344026654
And with Roadhog rising in the meta you can pair his with Zarya's while getting a combo that does more damage than Pharah/Zarya while removing the downside of Hog's ult at the same time.
>>344026916
>the meta is still widowmaker
literally like 5% pickrate at the last tourney
the nerf fucked her up really hard
meta is
winston
zarya
pharah
soldier
mercy
lucio
possible variations
>double winston
>roadhog instead of winston
>reaper to counter a roadhog
>>344026892
On that day, anon learned never to use more than one ult while Mercy was still alive.
>>344027017
>play versus a good soldier
>can't even get in the air without a pocket mercy
What do you want, her to instantly die as soon as she uses jump jets? Learn to aim and play widow.
>>344026705
Reaper should be unable to count toward the objective or pick up shit in wraith form.
>>344027029
I just focus down Mercies as hard as possible and wait until she pops rez.
I do think it shouldn't be able to go through fucking walls though.
>>344026705
>>Shorter duration of Roadhog's hook stun
it's already 0.15 seconds, how much shorter do you want to make it?
even if it was zero if you hold M1 you still shoot first
Hey /v/ just for your information.
this game doesn't need to be balanced.
regards - former TF2 competetive player.
>>344027164
at the ranges soldier vs pharah usually takes place he needs a reload to kill her
on the other hand you need 2-3 rockets
learn to aim
>>344027025
You forgot rein
>>344027185
He should be able to pick up Soul Orbs, and that's it.
the tradeoff is that pharah is pretty squishy, I think she's fineshe may be my most played hero b-but i'm not biased
>>344027195
Yeah but then you can use abilities before getting one shot.
>Game hasn't been out for a month
>Competitive scene still playing around in the mud
>The moment something gets a bit more popular shitters cry for nerfs
Holy fuck ASSFAGGOTS really ruined video games.
>>344027232
>former competitive player
>tf2
When we need to know if mcree's hat is getting overpowered we'll call you, buddy
>>344027248
>at the ranges soldier vs pharah usually takes place he needs a reload to kill her
>on the other hand you need 2-3 rockets
Have you tried moving?
Like at all?
>>344023896
>To add insult to injury, there are only 3 characters in the entire game that can do anything to her. Soldier, McCree and Widowmaker,
Personally, I like dragging you out of the air with Hog's hook.
>>344027374
Which goes against the design of Roadhog's hook. If you get hooked by him he is supposed to get the first action and that is flat out stated by the devs.
>>344027468
Have you tried leading your rockets?
Like at all?
>>344027185
pretty sure that wraithform is currently unable to contest checkpoints.
>>344027447
nice memes.i played competetive TF2 before F2P
>>344027374
No, you can't
Advantage goes to roadhog and he gets to do the first thing
The only thing that would change on a shorter stun would be the roadhog having less time to square up the shot, and it's already fucking annoying and inconsistent to begin with
>>344023896
>I died to her she needs a NERF ARGHHH
Why are you people such babies? You think everything needs a nerf or buff. Just play the damn game and git good!
>>344027401
The most ironic part of it all is that after McCree was nerfed into the ground, everyone began clamoring for him to get buffed again. McCree is a vital counter to characters like Reaper and Tracer, and didn't deserve to be nerfed so hard.
>>344027562
Oh I forgot that you can't change direction while moving as soldier.
My bad
2 hits means you need 2 direct hits.
3 hits means you need a direct hit and then 2 point blank splash hits.
How this is happening when you are at a range when "he needs a reload to kill her " is a fucking mystery.
How about you stop being absolute garbage?
>>344027550
Well this turns out to be a pretty big problem since his first action is one shoting you.
Against slippery fucks like genji, tracer and pharah this is fine. But the problem is it works against everyone, even fucks up tanks.
>>344027741
His nerf has hardly anything to do with Pharah directly since they didn't touch his m1 but now there's no more double McCree you'd see a month ago and people moved to heroes that are in better spots. Why pick McCree instead of S76 at this point?
>>344027741
>McCree countered reaper
>by completely taking over his job and forcing him out of the meta
>>344027550
Which would be fair, if the devs weren't idiots with zero sense of balance.
Roadhog has no counters, cannot be fought except by a team, and can land instakills on any squishy enemies with about a 60% certainty if you aren't an idiot.
Something needs to be done. It doesn't need to be a drastic nerf, but even something as simple as increasing his cooldown timer, or interrupting his healing if he takes damage, would do wonders to balancing him.
>>344027741
adjusting damage numbers was just the lazy solution.
they should have made his flashbang not have AoE but be a direct hit impact.
wich means you couldn't throw it over reinhardt shields and you need skill to hit enemies with it.
and the reward stays the same.
would have probably fixed him without nerfin him into oblivion.
>>344027873
don't forget about soldier 76 heal station
wich is 40 Heal per second.
and rockets have a travel time and shoot at 1 rocket per second.
so even if you get hit by a direct rocket and then plop your healstation you get 40 health and the next rocket has to be perfectly times and also be a direct hit.
really killing a soldier with 2 rockets is very unlikely.
>>344026696
He mentioned mid-range specialist as a point of overlap for Mcree and 76, and that Pharah has no overlap with other offensive heroes.
>>344028092
And now you see fucktons of Reapers walking around unthreatened because they have no hard counter and can wraith form away from everyone.
Nigga she's the most balanced character in the game
>>344026696
>McCree and Soldier overlap as mid-range specialists
>Nobody else does what Pharah does, she annihilates static defenses and is the only flier on the map
If you haven't passed grade 2 reading you shouldn't be online.
>>344028242
>reaper shows up every game
>in a two tank meta
What a shocker
>>344023896
no you're wrong
pharah is perfectly balanced
just pick a dude with a long range hitscan weapon and kill her
hanzo/widow shit on her
>>344028237
Well then that's also retarded because she overlaps with tracer/genji.
She's a flanker just like them.
>>344023896
>bitches about completely balanced character
>doesnt even mention roadhog
I main pharah and can nail roadhog with direct hits all day until he gets bored and chains me. My only hope of a kill is to knock him off an edge. All the other counters you mentioned are barely counters, because I can peek missile them, but there is literally nothing I can do to roadhog.
>>344027873
I like how you're magically assuming I'm bad when for all you know I could be better than you.
Also like that you're assuming 100% accuracy on soldier while strafing and bunnyhopping to dodge rockets but Pharah can't land a single rocket, seems like a very realistic scenario.
>>344028663
These are the same people that were begging for a Junkrat nerf like a day or two ago.
>>344028724
>can't land hits with a hitscan weapon
>expects the enemy to land every single projectile
I'm not assuming you're bad.
I know you're fucking garbage.
>>344023896
Everyone will get nerfed until no one is able to kill anyone.
>>344028974
Nah thats riot balance.
Blizzard balance is always FOTM, the worst hero will be buffed to strongest, strongest made weak and so forth
>>344028663
Roadhog is there to keep Offense characters in check except Reaper who keeps Tanks in check.
Pharah is balanced, the fact that people can't make up their minds whether to buff or nerf her is proof.
>>344028791
lol junkrat is permanently nerfed, ironically just by pharah's existence
>>344029074
Which is fine actually if there are over 20 heroes.
And you cycle through 8-10 being meta picks at a time.
>>344029148
i have never seen anyone think pharah needs buffs
>>344023896
>can attack from any angle
?????????
are you fucking retarded
rockets don't curve in trajectory
you
fucking
shitty
retard fuck
fucking kys my dude fucc
>>344029148
Aw my two mains in the same pic :)
I'm a dude btw
>tfw Pharah and Genji main and I know that my characters will NEVER get nerfed
Roadhog is a hard counter for Pharah, prove me wrong.
daily reminder that if you play Roadhog/Junkrat you should be fucking shot
i think her ult is pretty underwhelming and she is super easy to kill while ulting.
the only thing i would like is a little bigger splash damage but she would probably be to strong, i just want the splash because im bad.
>>344029173
>Comparing two very different characters
Junkrat's main purpose is area denial and he's a good flanker that when played well can decimate an entire enemy in seconds and spread them out with his mine, not to mention his trap always gets someone.
>>344029387
I cant, I'm a pharah main and I know you're right. Like I said earlier there is nothing I can do to him, but damn, knocking him into that hole in ilios is really fucking satisfying. I fap with furious glee after every shithog that goes down that toilet
>>344029220
There was a huge thread about it a few days ago. The entire thread was people begging for Pharah buffs until actual Pharah players came in and told them to git gud.
>>344023896
Probably not, her burst is shit, she is slow as fuck in the air, using her ultimate is almost guaranteed death and she's very fragile for a character with a core mechanic that involves being completely exposed for extended periods of time.
There are also very effective hard counters against her, as well as several soft counters which depending on skill and circumstances can be quite effective too.
>>344029615
That's not what I'm saying you fucking scrub, I'm saying that pharah is basically a 100% hard counter to junkrat. I fucking destroy them and they can't even touch me.
nah
>>344029619
new players
people in here also think bastion and mei are overpowered when they're in the running for worst heroes in the game
pharah is much closer to needing nerfs than buffs
>>344023896
I sure do hope we keep getting comp mode kneejerk hotfixes instead of new content.
Esports was a mistake.
>>344029746
That's because a lot of Junkrat players remain stationary for some reason. I've killed countless Pharah's by mine jumping up and shooting my balls in her face.
>>344023896
tracer rapeser
her splash damage needs a buff as does her ultimate, wouldn't hurt to increase her fuel capacity by a second or two either.
if you're bad against Pharah you probably never played UT/Quake
>>344029423
Show me on the doll where the Junkrat touched you.
>>344029758
She's not though. She has hard counters, a good Pharah cannot do shit with a good Widowmaker on the opposing team. She's fine as is, I'm sorry you have a problem with a character who needs to aim and lead shots being strong.
>>344030796
yet pharah is the second most picked offense hero and widowmaker is rarely picked, funny how that works eh
>>344030912
I'm supposed to feel bad for Widowmaker players who don't want to play her anymore now that they can't abuse her 150 body shots and un-scoping nonsense?
>this character needs to be nerfed because people don't want to play her hard counter because she's not batshit broken anymore
wew
>>344026705
If reaper can't count toward objective in Wraith Form than make it it so Mei doesn't count in her iceblock
>>344031050
Widowmaker is still good, funny how the bodyshotters dropped her.
>>344026705
>>Genji has to complete his entire reflect animation before moving on to his next attack
but that's pretty much the case already
>>344026707
but she has no limbs, it wouldn't look that sexy
>>344029423
>shitter mad he can't counter the hog
Roadhog is NOT hard to deal with if you aren't retarded. Junkrats annoying, but squishy enough it doesn't matter.
>>344029758
Bastion ain't shit. People hate mei because she requires next to no skill to use and has WAAAY too many outs if she fucks up. Her whole job revolves around being annoying.
Just fucking shoot her. If you are decent at trapshooting she's literally never behind cover
>>344029423
What's that mate, can't take the banter?
>>344023896
>fighting pharah as anything that doesn't have hitscan
>literally a fight between you having to hit a flying, moving target with projectiles faster than she can just shoot the ground around you and kill you via splash damage
>even if you get close or she's in danger she can lmao knock you away
pharah being pocketed by a mercy is fucking impossible to deal with. bullshit hero
Splashdamage in general is my number 1 complaint about OW. I think it's pretty balanced in most regards but the game's meta is swiftly evolving around the heroes that simply dont have to aim (Winston, Zarya, Lucio, Reaper to an extent, Pharah)
>>344023896
What, did you just get scraped by a Pharah or something? She is far from needing to be nerfed. git gud, pussy.
>>344033639
t. Pharah main
>>344026643
>a character with slowly moving projectiles fucks up a character that stays in the air and moves constantly
>a character that relies on reflecting to deal with ranged heroes counters one that can just blast the floor around him
>a character that generally finishes people up close counters one that can concussion him away
nice maymay
>>344033714
Pharas easy to kill though and one of the slowest projectiles in the game
>>344033472
She's not killing shit with splash damage alone. And Soldier chaining headshots on a Pharah will out dps Mercy's heals.
>>344023896
After Torbjorn is given some sort of negative to balance out the fact that he's an auto-turret shitting tiny character model with the best gun in the game and farts the best health type in the game a fucking lot
and his ult too
>>344026705
Pocket sand is a damn joke compared to Mei's freeze ray
>>344027447
Underrated
>>344029758
Bastion is among the pointless characters in competitive as even in what should be his situational ideals, other heroes can do his job just as effectively without needing to lock themselves in place and wait for enemies to come to them. If set up properly, he and some allies guarding him will be a nigh impenetrable wall, but it only takes a bit of coordination to shake him out of his nest (hence the common complaints from individuals in random quick matches who can't rally such a thing easily).
Mei is simply not used for competitive because she's not going to stand a chance against a proper team that sticks together using the current meta heroes like Tracer and Reaper who can avoid her frost. However, she is quite powerful in the realm where the enemy team is not composed of a solid group of six friends using ideal competitive team compositions.
The bottom most is Zenyatta, a poor healer who only comes up from shit damage to reasonable damage with an ability. If there's no Mercy/Lucio, he should pick one of them. If there IS a Mercy or Lucio, then Zen should pick a solid damage dealer as pretty much any Offense hero will be more effective.
>>344029220
Lurk more. Every shitter on the planet who hovers in plain sight too long and is only dealing splash damage thinks she needs at least a slight buff.
>>344029279
Weren't we all little girls???
>>344031615
Exactly, Widowmaker is still a great character and still counters Pharah pretty hard. It's just bandwagon shitters who learned how to abuse body shots don't want to have to aim for the head.
>>344029423
That's what people usually do when they play.
>>344028162
>roadhog has no counters
Do faggots actually believe this?
>>344023896
>muh balancing
I see this fucking thread every day, and it's always a different character.
Fuck off.
>>344033472
Pick any of these characters and deal with Pharah
Widowmaker
76
McCree
Roadhog
People underestimate how powerful Roadhog's M2 can be, if a Pharah is hovering even slightly near the ground and your Hook is on cooldown M2s can destroy her. Also, Pharah's splash damage is pathetic and is only good for finishing off people who are already close to dead. Relying on splash damage as Pharah is a sure fire way to make sure you'll never do anything meaningful for your team.
>>344035252
You're in a thread where people think Pharah is overpowered and needs nerfs.
>>344034926
Are you kidding? Before the nerf it took two bodyshots or one headshot to kill Pharah. Now it takes two bodyshots or one headshot to kill her! Fuck Blizz
>>344028162
>Roadhog has no counters
Are you serious or just pretending to be retarded?
>>344035585
Most body-shot shitters dropped Widow because they can't do the un-scope nonsense anymore more than her lowered damage.
>>344035471
Anyone who can aim can kill roadhog even easier if they can do damage from range.
>>344035914
I know, just having a bit of fun
>>344027447
xD Tf2 has hats xD where do people come up with this stuff xD
>>344035981
People need to just learn how to bait Hooks. Since I play Roadhog, when I fight one as another character I know how to BAIT a Hook attempt. Or if Roadhog is giving you that much trouble just pick Reaper.
>>344029615
>implying pharah is not a flanker
>implying his "area denial" is worth shit
>>344036194
Less about hats, more about the fact that the game is a piece of shit
The point remains that a tf2 players opinion is worth the crust on a dumpster
Every day I see a new thread demanding another hero to be nerfed. My god you people must suck at this game because you guys want to Nerf everyone.
>>344036373
>Junkrat
>Not the bar-none easiest area denial character in the game
Do we even play the same game
>>344023896
If you think her weapon is better than junk rat your dumb. Direct hits with pharrah are almost impossible, junk rat doesn't even have to try people walk into them
>>344025465
>not reflecting soldier's rockets as pyro
>>344036916
Not him, Mei is a far easier Area Denial character. Junkrat is all about counter-flanking.
>Enemy team Reaper Flanks
>Will do it again so set Bear+Mine
>Hang to that side, then when you hear it, det and then go pop him down if he didn't retreat/scrambled for a pack
>Ult is loud as shit and is supposed to draw enemy focus so rest of team can clean
>>344023896
(you)
>>344033780
It's actually pretty hard for pharah to kill genji.
He's always jumping around and he can't get juggled because of his double jump.
Neither of them really counter the other, it's a waste of time for them to fight.
>>344036212
>baiting hooks through 20 tick + latency
>>344036916
>implying are denial is even in this game
Junkrat is as worthless as the players who use him
>>344035356
I just got one-shot buy a well-placed hog M2 last match I was in, from full health
That thing is disgustingly strong
>>344037818
Latency can end up fucking the roadhog over
>>344023896
> be roadhog
> grab pharah with chain
> shotgun her in the face
> ???
> *wheeze*
>>344037923
If trashmouse doesn't want you going through a flank passage on numbani, you aren't getting through it, unless you're a d.va, in which case you aren't gonna get much done once you get there anyway
>>344037954
Not in favour the shooter
Pharah
Sombra soon.
>>344038138
>can lock down one doorway by telegraphing his position for the duration
How does it feel to play versus shitters?
>>344024706
>splash damage weapon
>hard
>>344038221
Is she another healer?
That would be awesome.
>>344037396
Even with reflect Soldier still has an advantageous match up over Pyros.
Pro tip: don't aim reflectables directly at a Pyro ;^)
>>344034849
of course we are. that little girl was just lying on the internet.
>>344038320
>do 20 splash damage a second
>good
If all pharah is doing is splashing you she might as well not be in the game.
>>344038280
>by telegraphing his position
I don't see how that matters if you can't see him to shoot him
He's brainless, sure, but he can send out a whole lotta damage in a short amount of time and in a small room that shit is deadly
>>344038556
And Mumbai has like 4 attack paths.
>>344038320
Splash damage in OW is fucking insignificant. If you're not landing direct hits you aren't doing damage.
>>344038221
>Healer/Sniper
About time they made a sniper that was good for holding a point.
>>344026113
Shooting pharah out of the sky is my biggest issue with her. Sometimes I will see everyone on my team pick short or mid ranged characters and KNOW that if the opposing team has even 1 decent pharah my team is fucked unless I pick just to counter her, and considering I end up as a tank or support most of the time, its a pretty big sacrifice.
>>344038320
>Pharah splash damage
>good
Try playing Pharah, Junkrat is the splash damage character.
>>344027741
I love how now Tracers are running fucking rampant in "competitive" matches because Mcree can't hard counter them nearly as well anymore. Which is EXACTLY what I said would happen if they nerfed him.
>>344038221
>another fucking sniper
great now we can have the two widowshitter failing to hit the enemy while the sombra fails to snipe heals at friendlies
>>344028193
Not a good solution. The reason they nerfed him was he was too strong against bruisers. They didn't want him double fanning down roadhogs. Considering bruises are super easy to hit, that change would have made him even worse against the characters he is ACTUALLY supposed to be able to counter, like Tracer and Genji.
>>344023896
>Trying to hit a flying Pharah on console
Why even release this shit? Jesus shit
>>344038914
Well I hope they do it better than the last one.
>>344039046
Basically this. I hit 3 cm away from a tracer and it MAYBE does a third of her health in damage. I hit her dead on and it doesn't even kill her. You know how hard it is to hit a tracer right in the face with a rocket when they aren't brain damaged?
>>344039496
If you don't do a direct hit your max damage is 40.
So it's not even a third on a point blank splash.
>>344039623
Exactly. The splash is pathetic. Anyone bitching about splash from pharah is a retard.
>be junkrat.
>see Pharah.
>shoot two grenades because I can aim.
>move on to kill someone else.
>>344039974
If you can even HIT Pharah with your grenades, 90% of the heroes in the game could kill her too.
>>344023896
>Annoying fly in the air
>Switch to Roadhog
>Hook and 1 shot for the rest of game
>Laugh as Pharoh switches
>>344039974
>be junkrat
>see anyone
>shoot two grenades because you can aim
>move on to kill someone else
Wow junkrat is so good, no wonder all pro teams lock in two every comp
How about you stop being delusional you shitter?
>>344040296
>this triggeted.
Hooly Dooly.
>>344040579
It's not my fault they made him useless.
It's your fault that you can't play anything else.
>>344040909
>cant play anything else.
way to project there silly briches.
>>344034423
>However, she is quite powerful in the realm where the enemy team is not composed of a solid group of six friends using ideal competitive team compositions.
Pretty much this, the whole point of Mei is be annoying but not engaging completely. If you're halfway decent with any offense hero, you can completely shit on a solo may. Her whole strength is set-up or turning a team mates ulti into an enemy team wipe. If a Mei manages to you your team up solo, you deserved it for sucking so bad, you would literally need to have zero situational awareness.
>>344023896
I like to pick Winston and keep on her. Use my bug zapper as I leap towards her, throw a shield down if she starts to return fire. Big monkey dude can really keep up with her mobility because of his leap.
>>344026696
no dude, you really just don't read very well.
>>344040294
>fly out of range of hook continually
>get the easiest direct rocket hits in the game
>laugh as i build free ults
>>344039325
>Zen
>Sniper
Don't oversell him.
>>344041074
Mei can 1v1 most heroes. And her kit is perfectly capable of isolating heroes, so its not even a hard thing to accomplish.
>>344026113
>2 Ults can clear an objective
Holy shit? REALLY? No kidding? This is some hot new meta you've discovered!
>>344042197
Well he's what we have for ranged support right now.
So like I said, I hope the new one is better.
>>344042143
>fly out of range of hook continually
that thing has a ridiculously long range
>>344026643
Honestly Genjis and Tracers are my biggest problems as Pharah.
They zip around the backlines, making them hard to hit, while pumping out small but consistent damage. In the air against them, I'm essentially useless, and if I try to land to grab a med kit, they'll follow me and finish me off.
>>344029220
The only buff Pharah needs is to her Ult.
D.Va's ult may be shit, but at least it doesn't guarantee her death if she tries to use it on more than one or two enemies on their own.
>>344043502
Don't shoot them?
You can go where they can't. Shoot the other players.
>Ctrl + F Symmetra
I think she needs a buff. Literally nobody is playing her, myself included.
>>344044114
Talking about one on one situations, obviously. If you try to run away from them, they'll take you down well before you can get to health or allies.
Pharah may be mobile, but so are they, and Jump Jetting away does no good when their attacks have no dropoff.
>>344044464
Why are you even on the ground?
Where do all these terrible pharahs come from?
The only time you should touch the ground is when you respawn.
>>344036390
then Overwatch must be really the absolute bottom of the heap
>people defend no hero limits
>>344044305
The latest brawl has made me realize I love playing Symmetra.
>>344044868
You can't stay in the air forever.
>>344044868
Why would you think I'm on the ground? Is it because you think you can only Jump Jet from the floor? Are you a moron?
>>344045096
You can be in the air 90% of the time, though. Doesn't help against Genji though, since he can just keep throwing his shurikens at you, and if you go above a roof, he'll just climb to the top of it and keep throwing.
>>344044897
Nobody but tf2 players hold the delusion that their turd is better
Overwatch threads are full of tf2 cockroaches heralding superiority and getting laughed at
Nobody cares
>>344023896
>Teamwipe ultimate
JUSTICE R-AAAGH
>Extremely overpowered combo with Mercy
Mercy rarely has time as a single healer to consistently damage boost Pharah. Even with lucio she's better off healing and moving between other teammates.
>Easiet environmental kills in the game
Who is Lucio?
You're the cancer that causes horrible balance changes. Git fucking gud.
>play Soldier
>always take the high ground and snipe from above
every Pharah forgets Im up there and dies as soon as they try to JUST my teammates below.
>>344027741
They just need to make his stun last longer. McCree is meant to corner and slay 200 health heroes, but he can't do that because his stun is short and
>Junkrat has a mine
>Soldier can run
>Pharah can fly
>Tracer can blink
>Reaper has 250 health and can wraith
>Mercy can fly to a nearby teammate
>Mei has 250 health and can wall him
>Genji can dash and double jump
This leaves him with
>Symmetra
>Torbjorn
>Hanzo
>Widow
None of whom are going to be actively hunted by a McCree as often and will be staying out of peoples' ways.
So his consistantly and reliably useful kills are
>Zenyatta
>Lucio
>>344044916
You can thank how retarded Overtime is for this.
>>344026320
>hanzo arrows are stupidly slow, i have no problem whatsoever dodging them in the air
bullshit detected
>>344047015
Why can't they all just line up with their heads directly in front of my gun? It's total bullshit that I can only get free kills on 6 characters!
>>344043502
Tracer is by far the most annoying cunt-er to Pharah
At least when I get killed by 76 or widow it feels fair
>>344047662
What? Hanzo is easy to deal with, using Pharah. I say this as someone who plays both. The direct hits/splash damage will either scare him away or kill him faster than he can land two body shots.
>>344048131
more
>>344048197
This. Good Hanzos can give me a run for my money sometimes, but in 90% of cases I just two-three shot them since they stay so still trying to aim at me.
>>344048197
Hanzo can one shot Pharah, Pharahas to land at least 2 hits on him with slow firing projectiles
Hanzo can use his wallhack arrows to see you behind walls and can use his scatter arrow to shoot around corners.
I don't see how you can say his arrows are slow, you barely have any time to dodge them, especially if you are in the air
>>344027741
McRee needs about 50% of the numbers nerf reversed, then a few adjustments to his flashbang, and he will be fine.
Why does a cowboy have a flashbang anyway? That's not thematic at all.
While I'm at it, Mercy needs an E, too, so that she has a higher skill ceiling. Maybe a self-shield for AoE attacks. I'm not really thinking more survivability as much as alieviating the pressure that Pharah and Junkrat put on her. They're not counters so much as just annoying and skill-less. Widowmaker is a counter. 76 is too. McRee, Bastion, Roadhog can all counter Mercy, but fucking Junkrat and Pharah dish out stupid bullshit that a Mercy has to deal with.
>>344048301
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>>344048418
pretty sure they he fire faster than Pharah (or at least hit the other faster at medium/long distances)
>>344049135
Sure, he can shoot faster, but if he does, his arrows won't travel as far or do as much damage. Especially at range.
I should mention, this mostly only works against shitters. A good Hanzo will just plop you in the head with a well placed arrow. But Hanzo players are mostly shitters, so...
>LoveZarya
>Starting to like Phara a lot more
I just want these muscular women to team up on me
>>344049395
>this mostly only works against shitters
Yeah, I was gonna say that. Hanzo can easily one shot Pharah in the air considerign the large hitbox
Either way, as a Pharah I'm not all that scared of Hanzos and I've killed my fair share of them. Tracer and Winstons can be a bigger pain in the ass desu
>>344048418
A good Hanzo has his arrow fully charged, peaks from behind a wall and one shots you, then moves to a new location so you don't know where to expect him.
>>344044916
>Most of the Offense heroes are more often used on the Defense side
>Most of the Defense heroes are more often used on the Attack side
>>344049135
>Pharah will never sit on your face
why live senpaitachi
>>344027025
The low pickrate is good. It means the only people who play her now are the players who are good at her, and good at landing headshots.
All the bodyshot quickscope spammers are gone now that it's no longer as effective.
>>344045096
And you land on a roof.
If anyone gets to you concussive them off and jump jet away.
Pharah + Mercy is legitimately impossible to deal with.
>>344023896
I've never read a more butthurt post on this board
>>344045749
Lucio and hog both require good positioning to get environmental kills
Pharah can launch you into the abyss from across the damn map
>>344045379
>Getting killed by genji spamming his stars
Are you playing with no healer at all? Lucio's passive will outheal that shit.
How you are unable to escape from a genji defies all reason
>>344050497
???
Just kill the Mercy first. All it takes is a Widowmaker/76/Hanzo/Tracer/McRee/another Pharah.
Hell, even Torb's gun can take care of it.
>>344023896
She's ok.
Mid-high tier but honestly she's not that good.
>environmental kill wrist blast is extremely situational and recharges every 12 seconds
>her jetpack recharges every 10 seconds which is also a very long cooldown
>Once in the air she is hitscan fodder like no other. Unless she is extremely far away even enemy heroes with close ranged abilities like Roadhog, Winston, and Zarya can still absolutely wreck her face. If she's far away, it's much easier to look at her rocket's trajectories and evade accordingly.
>DPS isn't even that amazing. It's only great when you can get direct hits, otherwise splash damage is pretty lame most of the time.
>worst ult in the game
She's fine. Honestly if McCree and Widow didn't get nerfed I would advocate that she's in fact low tier
>>344050497
if you have retarded teammates? yes, very much so. Otherwise they're just a really big pain in the ass
>>344050652
And it's unwieldy as fuck with where it sends enemies and is on an 8 second cooldown. Just don't be near ledges, for god's sake.
>>344050440
You say that as if roofs are everywhere. Most of them are at an angle specifically so you can't sit there
>>344050065
to see more clips of Pharah ?
I'm ok with that
>>344026226
A good Pharah vs a good Hanzo is a 50/50 fight. Widow doesn't counter her anymore either. She countered her because of quick-scope combined with only needing to 2-shot her. Now she has to stay still out in the open longer, and 3-shot her unless she gets a headshot which in this game is difficult for many reasons.
>a good mei can outsnipe a good Pharah
top fucking kek
>>344045982
>pharah letting you take the high ground
>pharah letting anyone take the high ground
What a bunch of shitters. If you can't control the high ground as pharah switch off. Go play genji or something.
>>344050497
They're not impossible but it surely is annoying
>>344050905
I'm saying this as a person who mostly plays pharah
I send people to their deaths all the time with it and its hilarious and I hope it never gets nerfed
The salt after booping the same person off several times in a row is the best
>>344050990
I'm not a "great" Pharah by any means but Mei can be a bit of an issue if you get too comfortable around her. You kinda need to stay at an awkward mid range around her. Even then, she can absolutely evaporate your health with a lucky headshot with quick followups. A good mei really can be an issue
>>344026707
>>344047015
>Mine, running, flying
> from two fan the hammers
What
>>344051214
>I'm not a great Pharah by any means
Issue solved
>>344049846
>>344048131
I need more Widowmaker domming Pharah in my life.
Really though, Pharah is fine. She rewards good aiming and map knowledge, but she has counters and weaknesses. Her Ult is fine and doesn't need to be buffed either, learn how to use it.
>>344051162
unless you're playing with shitters you're rarely get the same person more than twice with the environmental kill
and I'm pretty sure they can control their flight in mid-air because there have been way too many cases of shooting a concusive blast, sending people flying just to see them adjust their trajectory in fllight
>>344051326
Even a great Pharah can be distracted and not see the immediate threat of a Mei.
It only happened to me once but I was at full health and within a second I got gibbed by two headshots. The enemy Mei literally singled me out behind my teammates and got two lucky shots. I got dropped.
>>344050905
same applies to roadhog and lucio
>Play Support often
>Don't rank up quickly
>Find out supports get less exp per competitive win
Why the fuck would anyone play support when it's the toughest, least fun job AND you get no reward? Fucking blizzard
>>344051412
I need more anyone domming Pharah to be honest
nothing like a hot, beautiful, strong woman getting dominated
>>344050907
If there aren't roofs everywhere then get off pharah
>>344051569
>Mei is an issue for great Pharahs
I'm going to need proof of that. And how do you define "great"? Even scrubs know Pharah eats that fat bitch for breakfast lunch and dinner.
>>344023896
she doesnt need to be nerfed shes fine as she is
>>344050990
>Widow doesn't counter Pharah anymore
Yes she does, even while staying hardscoped her rifle reaches 100% charge very fast. And it's still two body shots anyway and ypu don't need to be fully charged for the second shot to kill.
>>344027017
Widow completely denies the entire air space of pharah and makes pharah unplayable on some maps like ruin in ilios
>>344051675
>then get off pharah
Negative
Unless we're losing badly or I'm getting obliterated or annoyed by an enemy, I'm more than happy to play her
