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>dude bullets are not supposed to land where you aim just git gud
>dude it's ok for pro players to be caught cheating activating WH is a skill as well
>nothing wrong with P2P game having microtransactions like 2006 freeware shooter

Laughing at valvedrones.
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>>344015719
All enticed by a 200$ digital knife that they gotta have.
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>>344015719
>dude bullets are not supposed to land where you aim just git gud
single bullet fire hits exactly where u aim. spreading doesnt

>>dude it's ok for pro players to be caught cheating activating WH is a skill as well
source of when it was ok for a pro to activate wh, please

>nothing wrong with P2P game having microtransactions like 2006 freeware shooter
Name a microtransaction that influences gameplay in any way
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>>344015995
>5$ were transfered to your account
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Counter-Strike is so deep that the difference between a skilled player and a skilled player who hacks is effectively imperceptible. That's the kind of hilarious nonsense e-Sports has sold you in the year 2016.
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I don't know, maybe it's the fact that I didn't play CS a lot when I was a teenager or something, but I could never get into shooters where bullets don't land where you aim. I was a hardcore fan of weapons since my mid teens, went to gun ranges and shit, so the most arcade I could handle is Call of duty, but my favorite FPS are Insurgency and such. I just can't into immersion when this is a ''tactical, competitive'' shit where the shooting mechanics are worse than in fucking duke nukem 3d.
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>>344015995
>single bullet fire hits exactly where u aim

You forgot the part where you have to not be moving, or abusing movement physics to where you have 0 acceleration in any direction for a moment to be able to shoot straight. It's an exercise in frustration.
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>>344015995
Lol, have you even played the game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
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>>344019008
So you have to stand still to be accurate?
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Unless the counter-strike in question looks like pic related, I have no interest in it.

>it is the year 2016.
>still mad about them renaming all the guns for the ancient retail version a hundred years ago.
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>>344019480
>there are people on this board right now whose first CS was CS:GO
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>>344016341
>can't prove him wrong
>I'LL JUST CALL HIM A SHILL
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I always try to get into CSGO but the fact that weapons feel like shit is the major turn off for me.

Bullets go whenever BUT where you're aiming, and somehow the other players always land on the head.

Looking for the bullet "patterns" I realize like the AK, you shoot to the feet and land a headshot. This is counter intuitive, bad design and it would be shitted on on any other game.

Yet for some reason CS is super popular. I really don't get it. I'm actually a fan of round based gametypes but CS is just ass backwards in simple things.

How come there's a million dollar underground industry for skins and weapons of this game? you can't even look at them correctly, the game doesn't have anything else but hip shooting, and a very samey and innacurate one at that on every weapon.

What the fuck man.
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>>344019638
I myself don't give a shit about ranked, I only play fun modes like zombie escape or jail break and I've spend over 1000 hours just playing that
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>it's an "i suck so i'll blame the game" thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps
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>>344019638
>Bullets go whenever BUT where you're aiming, and somehow the other players always land on the head.
come back when you actually play the game past silver
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>>344019435
If you're moving AT ALL in CS:GO, a random spread is applied to your weapon. If you're running at full speed with an assault rifle, the bullet can vary up to like 60 degrees. This is lessened somewhat with pistols and SMGs, but still very frustrating to deal with.
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>>344019758
>it's an "i suck so i'll blame the game" thread

Yeah man I totally suck I should aim my crosshair beyond the boundaries of space and time and shoot his spinbot.
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>>344019435
Yes, it's kinda retarded

In CS you slightly move and the gun spreads to a set pattern that it's always the same. So people move and aim to the feet or ground to predict the pattern of their favorite gun. You have to practice and memorize this.

Also if you want an accurate shot you move, then press S to stop in your tracks backing up a bit and shoot. Crouching helps too, and it will make a single bullet go to the general direction of where you're actually aiming, but don't spray, just tap it. This exercise is the common "how to play" CS. It's kinda stupid.
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It's been kind of funny that as CS:GO has blown up it's introduced CS to a new generation of gamers and some of them clearly just don't get it. They talk as if CS is some new game trying to force it's mechanics and conventions down everyone's throats when in reality it's been around for 20 years.
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>>344019638
>Yet for some reason CS is super popular. I really don't get it. I'm actually a fan of round based gametypes but CS is just ass backwards in simple things.
It's a casual's idea of what a hardcore game looks like.

Most dumbasses think that depth in games is defined by the tiny margins, when it's actually the opposite, that a game of genuine depth features clear and obvious separation between good and really good players. (Exponential army/city growth in RTS games being a good example.)

Counter-Strike, on the other hand, is so deep that a professional player can cheat in front of a live tournament audience, and they have to go on message boards and spend days debating whether he was doing it. Where in a genuinely deep FPS game, there are skills which can't be recreated by hacks because they're too complex to automate.

Which is really secondary to the general point: There's 15 years of games that now outclass Counter-Strike because CS has been the same goddamn game since the primitive advent of 3D gaming, now competing against the leaps and bounds of 3D gaming.
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>>344019638

It's popular because it sticks with a very functional formula, and despite not being realistic at all, it plays well.

Rather than the modern design mantra that you must have 40 assault rifles that have minor differences, there are only 6 assault rifles with major differences.

Matches are fast and decisive, based around the ancient concept of one life per player. You're encouraged, as it were, to change guns and playstyle a lot because dying means you lose all your shit, and depending on your that round's performance, you might not be able to afford 'optimal' equipment.

You'd think when the most popular shooter ever, that's been going for like 17 years now, is still using time tested designs laid down during the action quake era that more franchises would do the same, but nowadays every game is all about loadouts and meat grinding for frags.
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>>344018798
You are a liar and a half. If you shot a gun in real life you would know they function just like the ones in CSGO. If you full auto'd a gun ever then you would know about bullet spread, you fucking sperg.
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>>344020063
But the actual game sucks.

You're just saying that the only thing that has going for it is that it's round based.

But Counter Strike sucks at its shooting core. Seriously strange.

There are other round based games and yes, it's blood pumping being the crutch.
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>>344020042
And to add onto this, they're confusing the complexity of the competition (competing against the leaderboard in a community where millions compete, many getting paid) against the complexity of the game rules themselves. It's like claiming that golf is deep because you will never play on the PGA Tour, when I can point to infinitely more complex (and deep) sports. There will be a defined pecking order in any game of reasonable complexity.
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>>344020063
>it plays well

it does not the gunplay is very unsatisfying they somehow managed to make the game feel worse than 1.6 - a mod made by a bunch of neckbeards in between their masturbation sessions.
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>>344020104
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is it that time again?
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Un-nerf bunnyhopping

Make the game fun again
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csgo is a competitive esport!
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>>344020276

The shooting doesn't suck, though, and you're not forced to ironsight at an effective 30 FOV with 'full auto' weapons that take 10 seconds to empty their magazines in order to deal damage to people.

Movement and positioning is also a lot more important than in most modern games.
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certainly, if anyone cares about getting good at competitive shooters, csgo is the game to play
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>>344020286
>>344020042
Truly bizarre

I mean, Quake and Unreal Tournament have a control map meta game. Watching two pro players is just much more than just tapping the mouse. the power ups and positioning at blinding speeds means so much. Even the fast weapon switching to a choice means a pro play from one to another. There's just so much more going on.


And not even talking about the team based types of those games. Holy shit, Bombing Run and CTF with a coordinated team is IMPRESSIVE.
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>>344019986
Have you ever tried shooting a fully automatic assault rifle and run at the same time?
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CS:GO is literally the worst FPS I've ever played

The guns look like shit, feel like shit, and you can't even aim down the sights.

Running feels like gliding over ice. The only map that is ever played is fucking DE_DUST2. How does anyone like this shit? FUCKING MEME CRATES?
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>>344020404
>>344020487
>>344020574
please....delete this
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>>344020574
>>344020487
>>344020404
Just faulty/laggy spectating software causing snapping, on the players screens it doesn't look like this.
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>>344020645
You haven't played many first person shooters
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>>344020636
No that's stupid. I aim for the feet of my targets and bunnyhop a bit before it. Also I learned the spread pattern and never miss those ducks.
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>>344020574
luckily the game has no future. once the government starts cracking down on the gambling the game will die. the only reason people even care about csgo is skins and gambling. this is probably the only time i can't wait for government intervention. csgo is worse than fucking css
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>>344020404
>>344020487
>>344020574
>Players who've gotten called out for this
>B-B-BUT THE DAMAGE IS DONE ITS A SHIT GAME XD
Guess sports in general are stupid because people use supplements
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>>344020617
uhh but map control, teamwork, movement and positioning is part of the "meta" in csgo
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>>344020574
>>344020487
>>344020404
it's called headphones + crosshair placement

you really think they can even cheat when the camera is fucking on them and dozens of techs and inner spectators wandering around behind their screen?
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>>344020749
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>>344020404
>>344020487
>>344020574
DELETE THIS PLEASE
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>>344020617

Unfortunately, any new arena FPS draws instant comparisons to the peak of the genre, which is quake 3 and unreal tournament, and after playing ANY arena shooter, everybody always find themselves drawing the same exact conclusion.

>man, this game is just like a shittier quake 3/unreal tournament. I'm just gonna go play those games instead.
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>>344020042
>Counter-Strike, on the other hand, is so deep that a professional player can cheat in front of a live tournament audience, and they have to go on message boards and spend days debating whether he was doing it. Where in a genuinely deep FPS game, there are skills which can't be recreated by hacks because they're too complex to automate.

Care to elaborate? Someone using PEDs in real life isn't obvious. In the same way, you won't see people using obvious hacks in any competitive scene. Hacks are used as a supplement in CS just as they are in sports. They don't just hand you the win, but they do make winning easier. They function in odd ways, like making your 4th shot a headshot and other not obvious shit. No competitor is going to blatantly cheat. If they did, there'd be no discussion and they would demolish the competition. Your argument has no basis here. Chess is a game that's deep enough that humans can't beat bots. Computer automation is going to be better than human capabilities. Just because there are no bots that can beat humans in a game of soccer does not mean that Soccer has more depth than Chess. It means that the skill set required is different. It has nothing to do with depth.

And the 'newer is better' argument is some real primitive shit. There's no substance there.
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>>344020826
Anyone that has played both games know there's a gigantic gap between tapping and stupid movement abusing and switching to the Railgun middair to frag and push yourself to another platform into safety.
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>>344020404
>>344020487
>>344020574

>Twitch reflexes in a with fast gameplay
>Not being so well versed in the map to know where chokepoints or heavily camped areas are that you take pot shots just incase an enemy is there
I-I-It's cheating you guys!

I bet you get triggered by this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIhVlvXwKBM
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kys retard, saged and reported
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>>344021072
kindly take a look at the second webm, here >>344020487

notice how he snaps exactly the head of the enemy behind the wall? and you guys are calling this 'amazing hearing and practice'?
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I still play CSROLINA Source. I think it's the best one. I'd play 1.6 but even that is too ancient for me. I can't get over making your gun look like a toy from Barney and, there is actually less hacking since no one is really making hacks for source anymore. Also, the competition is better. There's no gay ranking system, you just join a server and if you're good, you'll have a good time. The people who get on source just because it was free and act like everyone is hacking maybe shouldn't have jumped into a game many have played well over a decade every single day.
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>>344020770
>Red Orchestra 2
>ArmA 2
>ArmA 3
>DayZ
>Metro 2033
>Metro Last Light
>Call of Duty
>Battlefield
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
>Squad
>Payday 2
>Fallout 3, 4, and NV
>TF2
>Wolfenstein The New Order
>Insurgency
>Killing Floor
>Killing Floor 2
>FC 2, 3, and 4
>R6:S

Is that not enough?
Kill yourself
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>>344021210
Damn autocorrect fucked me up. CS* source
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>>344019480

Still remember playing CS 1.0 on cs_italy with a 56k modem and killing my first enemy with a shotgun.

Had a bit of nostalgia after getting GO over the steam sale, playing cs_italy and having much higher ping than everyone else (some things never change, but it can't be helped cause I live in the middle of nowhere).

And then I died and heard someone streaming "keemstar" over their mic.

At that point I wanted to kill myself. Getting too old for this shit.
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>>344021171
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>>344020574
>watch frame by frame
>cross hair arrives at the position before the player does
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CS isn't even enjoyable wihtout a team, without strat execution it just becomes mediocre shooter.
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>>344021192

really makes you think
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>>344021339
REPORTED
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>>344021210
source is the worst of the counter strikes but it's nice that you enjoy it
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>>344019638
>and somehow the other players always land on the head.
Git gud
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>>344020487
>>344020574
>>344020404
Ho ho holy shit

and there's people defending this
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>>344020645
MUH REALISM
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>>344021523
>unironically defending terrible gunplay
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>>344021258
i fucking hate how fallout is now considered an FPS
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>>344015719
Please make a photo of your rank and hold a piece of paper with the date infront of the screen.

If you are at least above MGE I'll take you slightly serious.
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>RNG bullet spread
>skins and betting
>netcode is garbage, valve servers are garbage
>vast majority of the pros cheat and get away with it, even when caught
>mfw quake had to die, but this had to live
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>>344021306

I started with beta 1.9.

>mfw counter-strike is legit 17 years old.
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>>344019480
ayy ShaGuar's frag movie.. great watch

i loved the 'snatch' clip from this and it introduced me to one of my favorite movies
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>>344007814
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>>344021601
gunplay is boring as fuck if you can do it with an xbox controller
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>>344021192
Pause the .webm at the exact moment his crosshair targets the player

you can't
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my bullets always go where I want them to my aim calculations makes sure of that :)
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>>344021425
reeeee

fuck off you /a/utistic newfag. 4chan isn't your safe space for being an autistic retard
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>>344021659
sorry but that proved nothing.
his first few shots hit where he's aiming but he just holds down M1 after and expects it to shoot directly straight like a laser beam.
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>>344021623

Quake's death is a bit complicated, but essentially, quake 3 is the apex of deathmatch, and there are no crutches, handicaps, or even mechanics to protect shitty players.

If you want to play quake, you gotta get good, and since 99% of the current players are ancient veterans, good luck with that.

Remember when they were going to save quake live by adding loadouts and shit?
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>>344021072
That video is completely different

The guy saw the enemy go to that corridor, so he cut him off and shot through it without hesitation, considering in Quake shots GO WHERE YOU AIM so there's no RNG to fail

That guy outplayed with finesse.

Now the WEBMs of CS players are fucking snapping through walls. That's fucking hilarious.
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>>344021925
wow i hate CS now
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>>344021853
>calls me a newfag
>/a/utistic
lmao @ ur newfag ass
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>>344021617
What is it, rpg, lol?
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I'm a CS beta 5 veteran and i bought an $11 shotgun yesterday

get rekt faaaaaags
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>>344022051
keep projecting, /a/utistic newfag. we all know you're one of the many /a/utists in csgo who is 15 years old

>b-b-buh 4chan is made for anime
nah, you underage autistic virgins took over and turned /a/ into homosexual garbage
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>>344022134
>jumps
>doesn't wait for the inaccuracy to reset
dynamic crosshair master race
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>>344022278
lurk more idiot
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>>344022134
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NICE GAME
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>>344022175
I honestly want to know what do you see in CS
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>>344020969
You protect your game from hacks by creating skillsets that hacks cannot automate. It's significantly easier to out cheaters in Quake/Unreal Tournament because the player who goes nuts with the railgun will be immediately outed when he can't aim a rocket, or can't dodge weapons as well as he fires them. It creates a gaping inconsistency in the player's skillset. Whereas in Counter-Strike, the entirety of the shooting skillset is manifest in fast-draw shooting, which you can easily automate with a cheat program. Which then, as I say above, makes the difference between a pro player and an invincible player indistinguishable.

Once hacks can automate the entirety of a human skillset and do them believably, it's not a problem at that point, because then, you don't need humans, anyway.

>>344020969
>And the 'newer is better' argument is some real primitive shit. There's no substance there.
Better hardware and better theory and more resources means better games. If you want visual bombast, you play Call of Duty or Battlefield. You want "teamwork", you play PlanetSide or Massive Action Game or whatever FPS is getting hundreds to a side. You want small-scale arena shooting, you play Splatoon. The only thing Counter-Strike has going for it is that it's "deep", and it's easily outed as simplistic when you compare it FPS games with more robust skillsets.
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>>344021617
It is

RPG is fucking meaningless as a genre and the way people use it today is nothing like the actual definition when it was introduced.

Fallout 4, and Deus Ex for that matter are FPS games. The only thing RPG ever meant in gaming was that it emulated the SYSTEMS of tabletop RPGS (HP, stat and level based progression etc). It had nothing to do with actual 'roleplaying' being in the game, which most early RPGs such as Wizardry etc had literally none of - they took the combat/progression systems from tabletop RPGs, but were not about roleplaying themselves.

As you might notice, there are basically no tabletop RPG systems in those games. At best you have HP (kind of) and some perks if you're lucky. No classes, no party based combat, no levels, barely stats at all present.
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>>344022051
please lose weight fat boy
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>>344020487
>>344020574
His aim doesn't land on the enemy in either of these. he probably heard a footstep and made a snap shot, but if you pause when the aims stop moving you see they're both way off, if he was botting that wouldnt happen

>>344020404
This one tho is fucking sketch.
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>>344020617
These are people who have been playing the same fucking videogame for fifteen years, nonstop, and doing it at the expense of other games, in a culture where people think little shitty 2D games are somehow comparable to multi-genre 3D open-world games. It's not surprising that they don't understand how genres/games exist in relation to each other.
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>>344015719
all these butthurt underage b& defending their shit game
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@344022564
thanks for the (You)s idiot
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>>344022359
youre a nobody idiot
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>>344022624
Many 2D games are superior to 3D games, particularly open world games which are pretty much the definition of shallow games relying on breadth over depth
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>>344022653
>Implying you are
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>>344021458
Nah, GO with the skins and shit is worse. That's objectively the worst one, but it's nice you don't think that way.
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>>344022134
Stop posting this fucking webm

He misses because he just landed from a jump

It takes almost a second for that shit to reset your accuracy for the deagle

This is why you don't use static crosshair, kids!
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>>344022653
Fuck off nigger
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>>344020404
Are the replies to this serious? I do hope I'm being trolled
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>>344022735
Real-life is an open-world 3D game, so it only makes sense that it's the most natural (and therefore immersive) way to interface with games. Which doesn't even consider the flexibility that you get for combining genres, the idea being that you don't have to run a single genre down the rabbit hole when you can combine a mess of them and derive greater complexity (and depth) from the interactions of multiple genres.

Think MMA vs. Boxing. MMA doesn't have to be as deep in any individual facet of the martial arts (grappling, striking, clinch) because you're combining all of them under the same roof, and thereby creating a deeper and more complex art than the one where you do nothing but punch.
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>>344022424
what do i see in it? its not a potential mate bro

fun and relaxing to play occassionnally, doesnt hurt my hand to play like dota
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>>344023004
take a bath smelly
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>>344018798
come play RB6 Siege it shits over CSGO and has the oldschool netcode from CS and CSS can be infuriating but the guns are great and its not some autism simulator arma ofp /k/ tier crap
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>>344020042
FUCCKING THIS

/thread
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>>344022738
youre a nobody in life so you have to try and be someone on 4chan sad
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>>344023560
flush yourself
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>>344021968
>>344021623
>MFW quake arena tournament got turned into Quake Champions generic TF2fpsmoba clone

FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
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>>344023812
Are you retarded?
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>>344022503

I never said the game needed protection from hackers, that wasn't the point of the argument. The point is that the ability to automate something doesn't mean it has less depth. Once again, the chess vs soccer argument begs examination. Because we can make computers to emulate chess, it doesn't mean that soccer has more depth. It doesn't even mean we should stop playing chess. It means we should make sure nobody has assistance from a 3rd party. Which is something that valve and tournament organizers do.

More resources does not equate to better games. You'll be hard pressed to find any game from the past couple of years that is the best of its genre. It's a cool theory but new does not equal better in practical application.
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>>344023673
do something with your pathetic life
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>>344023927
I refuse to
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>it's another strawman bait episode
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>>344020404
NO ONE CAN HIDE FROM MY SIGHT
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>>344015719
>trying to aim
>not just being lucky and pushing it constantly
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>>344024043
oh wait, my bad they're using aimbots not wallhacks
I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS
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>>344024140
my aimbot aims for me :)
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>>344024140
>snilah
why haven't you killed yourself yet
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>>344015719
>get btfo in the last rage thread you made about CS:GO
>create a new thread to get btfo again
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>>344024593
hello valvedrone
did you buy a lot of indie games in the last steam sale?
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>>344024687
>buying indie games is now a bad thing

i miss when gaming was an exclusive hobby. so many of you now are just so normal. you talk about "normies" etc but you're normal as fuck.
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>>344024687
>being THIS buttblasted
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>>344022350
>>344022974
>csgodrones defending this

what a fucking joke this game has become. I truly hope the whole betting and lottery scandal kills the game so we can go back to being a css or 1.6 fag. Both of them are miles better 1.6 being the undisputed multiplayer shooter king.
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>>344024593
>btfo

by what? There is not a single good counter argument posted in the entire thread.
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>>344024457
i was beginning to think people would probably forget about me but i must really be on your mind for you to still be upset about me :(
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>>344024749
buying indieshit is one of the most normies gaming relating things, idiot
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>>344025083
drink bleach
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>silver boys will never get good at this game

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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>>344024457
go back to your dead containment general >>>/csgog/
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>>344025113
>buying things available to or known about a smaller amount of people is one of the most normal things you can do

.......right.

I wonder how it feels to say things so stupid you directly contradict yourself.
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>>344024957
there were enough in the last one
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>>344023880
Of course soccer has more depth than chess. The limits of chess are being mapped out on an eight-by-eight board. The limits of soccer are mapped out by the physical limitations of two teams of eleven unfathomably complex organisms, a sport that combines the mind with the body, where chess is purely about the mind.

Soccer may be fucking stupid when compared with other sports, but any sport of sufficient complexity is more complex than chess will ever be, and that certainly manifests in the difficulty of building a computer/robot to perform those tasks, because god-knows how long it will be before you can build a robot to play soccer as well as a human, in a way that humans play.

>>344023880
>More resources does not equate to better games. You'll be hard pressed to find any game from the past couple of years that is the best of its genre.
And what you will find is that even the "old classics" were very often the cutting-edge game of their day, doing things that the smaller, less ambitious games could not do. No, it doesn't grade out on a curve, because shitty, repulsive games like Watch_Dogs exist. But Counter-Strike found in audience in 2000 because it was a novel concept (urban warfare in an action format) that is no longer novel anymore, and is purely on paper outclassed by those superior games.

All craft considered equal, more ambitious games are superior to less ambitious ones, and that requires the manpower and resources to be done.
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>>344025178
>i'm such a nerd lol!
this is what happens
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>>344015719
>cs 1.6 is probably older than most kids on this site
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>mobabbies mad cause they cant get past gold nova
lelmao go back to OW where your skill is appreciated mate.
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>>344019435
at least source had the deagle, what wih its amazing running accuracy and utility that rivaled the primaries
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>>344025626
The source deagle was the most braindead compared to the other versions of it though.
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>>344025312

Soccer isn't more complex than Chess senpai. That's why I used it in the analogy. Soccer is exceedingly simple and formulaic whereas Chess is complex but also formulaic.

But seriously, the only things that have progressed since the advent of online gaming are connection speeds and processing power. While both could result in better games, we've seen that they don't. They never will. It's good game design and good coding that create a good game. The former will never ever change with the amount of money you throw at it. The latter is often fucked up by superficial elements of the game, not guaranteeing an
Improvement with more technology/cash.
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>>344015995
Csgo cuckboi IDF in full swing I see
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>>344021210
Source is still fantastic. Have you ever played war-lords pugs? They have a nicr system running.
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>>344019008
>>344019896
>too dumb to stop before you shoot

LOL go back to cod so you can w + m1 for ez kills

movement and having to coordinate between moving and shooting is a skill in cs :^)
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>>344015995
When your team bitchea at you for not having skins, that influences gameplay.
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>>344025976
i loved it.
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CS:GO plays nothing like CS
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>>344024929
>hoping that a literal billion dollar industry in one game is going to die because of some scandal
you're the retard here, anon
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>>344026583
When has this ever happened to anyone? Do you play with a team of pre-teens?
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>>344026027
>Soccer isn't more complex than Chess senpai. That's why I used it in the analogy. Soccer is exceedingly simple and formulaic whereas Chess is complex but also formulaic.
You're confusing broad strategic complexity with the complexity of performing the actions INSIDE of the game. Compare Street Fighter (where you press buttons) to real fighting (where you physically throw the punches) to understand where I'm getting at. It's the same reason the concept of e-Sports is entirely inferior to real sports, even if videogames have more complex rulesets than sports. (And this is by necessity, because sports operate in the physical and need rules that can be quickly and easily understood.)

>>344026027
>While both could result in better games, we've seen that they don't. They never will. It's good game design and good coding that create a good game.
Better hardware makes that significantly easier. Grand Theft Auto III and Metal Gear Solid 2 could have never been done on the original PlayStation. F-Zero GX could have never been done on the Nintendo 64. Supreme Commander could have never been done in 1999. The Witcher III and Metal Gear Solid V never could have been done with the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360. And if you do your hardware right, it wins out over the previous generation by default, because you're doing things that would have been impossible on the previous hardware.

Fronting me examples of bad games on good hardware doesn't do a thing to diminish that point. I don't want to play Counter-Strike in the year 2016 because it's so fucking basic that it's repulsive, no matter how "deep" or "polished" it is. A game like Splatoon renders Counter-Strike obsolete and Splatoon needs better hardware to do that.
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>>344020780
It's common knowledge to aim head high in CSGO. With an AK, all you have to do is either click on their head, or pull down while shooting. Stopping in your tracks is necessary for the game it's trying to be, but it brings the "who can react first" angle into play.
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