>shitty boring lifeless levels
>no story
>shitty level design
>akward as fuck controls
>soulless music (especially compared to 64)
No wonder it sold like shit. Can the series recover from this?
>>343973361
>worst Mario game
no such thing
>>343973361
>no story
When the fuck has that ever been a problem for a Mario game?
>>343973361
Hotel Mario and Mario is Missing say hi.
>>343973361
>no story
>>343973361
>soulless music
The music is great, especially after the abortion soundtracks from NSMB
>>343973752
muh cheesy jazz
fuck off. That shit was annoying.
It was a shitty game.
Nintendo needs to drop better 3d/3rd person titles similar to 64 /sunshine / dk64.
>>343973426
>>343973487
>>343973636
>>343973720
>>343973752
Prove him wrong faggots. You're the cancer that's killing the franchise.
It's hard to explain what disappointed me about this game. I guess it's that it all felt the same to me with neither highs nor lows. SM64 may have dropped the ball with its final two levels, but I appreciate the game all the more for it. Does that make any sense?
>>343973361
>>shitty boring lifeless levels
opinions
>>no story
go back to the PS4
>>shitty level design
opinions
>>akward as fuck controls
now you're just pretending to be retarded
>>soulless music (especially compared to 64)
even more opinions
>>343973858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8hJqrK9mAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0_U0R9NTQw
Go fuck yourself, are do you really want to go back to "BAH BAH" again?
>>343973897
Fun note, those fully 3D titles sold terribly compared to the rehashed 2D ones.
>>343974419
or*
>>343973361
The controls were fine, I didn't like how it was basically a 3d 2d mario, and I would agree it seemed very stapled together and lifeless
>hnnnggg obviously you didn't play the last levels
I did and they weren't that hard, they just weren't paced well because everything prior is preschool level platforming
>some other flimsy excuse about how I didn't collect all of the collectibles or do a rosalina only run or some gay shit
NSMB is the true cancer of mario's games. Same levels and musics in every game, each game are a ripoff of the 1st NSMB.
I enjoyed this game, and none of you can tell me otherwise. It was fun.
It was shovelware. I knew from there on if that was considered the crowning peak of the wii us library, it would have a very bad future. Sold mine a few days after getting 3D world and lo and behold, its being dropped prematurely and is a flop with nothing but shovelware rehashes for autists. No more nintendo for me.
>>343975759
>dear diary
>>343973361
You seem to have dropped your image of Sunshine, the only Mario game which meets the criteria listed.
>>343973361
That's not a Paper Mario game
check em vv
>>343973361
>Buzzwords
The level design is the most creative in ages. The shadow level is GOAT
the music is above average
Who cares about story in Mario? Really?
It sold alright, if I am not wrong
The controls are fine, what problem do you have with it?
I realize that almost every shitpost has the word 'soulless' is it. Is it the most meaningless buzzword yet?
>>343973361
Are you shitting me? This game is kickass and every level is like a little toy that you must get used to. If anything, Paper Mario Sticker Star is the worst Mario game!
>>343973361
Yeah, because I play Mario games for the story...
dumbass...
>>343973361
gameplay-wise it was better than sunshine. even with less directions to run in it beat cleaning shit with a hose. They took it way too safe with the world design though, and should have made the levels look like fleshed out worlds instead of floating islands like 64/galaxy.
64 had the worst music in the series btw, even the shitty nsmb music was better. the awful 64 music is just memorable since you played it as a kid
>>343973361
The worst mario games are the new series, by FAR. Maybe this is the worst 3D mario, sure, but it's still pretty great.
>>343977573
>the awful 64 music is just memorable since you played it as a kid
This.
>>343973361
I bet you like sunshine you fucker
>>343977573
>gameplay-wise it was better than sunshine. even with less directions to run in it beat cleaning shit with a hose.
You are objectively wrong.
And that comes from someone you enjoys both games.
Sunshine had an original mechanic that changed the gameplay.
3D World was a cheap gimmick.
>>343973361
Also it sold like 5 million. How is that "horrible"?
>>343977802
>original mechanic that changed the gameplay
yeah in the most boring way possible. They should have had a few more meetings about it before they decided the new mechanic would be based around "uuuuhhh... cleaning paint with a hose?"
>>343977885
Mass Effect 3 sold plenty of copies.
Was it a good game?
>>343977802
3D world objectively had more variety in level design and aesthetic though.
>>343977989
Why are you goalpost moving?
The OP specifically states it sold like shit.
>>343977989
What? OP said the game sold horribly. It did not. I said nothing about quality.
>>343977989
That wasn't the question at hand.
>>343977928
As oppose to Mario's base concept, jumping.
Yes, what an exciting concept that. Jumping.
>>343973361
>No wonder it sold like shit.
Quit pretending to be retarded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_3D_World#Sales
>As of March 31, 2016, the game had yielded sales of 4.82 million units worldwide, making it the Wii U's fourth best-selling game.
How is just under 5 million units sold not good? Hell, the game hit 1 million units sold withing the first 6 weeks: http://playeressence.com/super-mario-3d-world-sales-break-past-1-million-while-knack-and-lighting-returns-sink/
>>343974039
nigga the only mario game that really had a story was sunshine.
>Mario and peach go on vacation
>mario gets framed for vandalizing the island
>gameplay
>it was all a scheme to kidnap the princess
>gameplay
>mario saves the princess
which isnt that much different from
>peach/faeries get kidnapped by bowser
>gameplay
>mario save the princess/faeries
All i can really say is look how sonic turned out after trying to implement an actual non-meme lore and pseudo-complicated story
>>343978102
Yes, it is quite exciting.
Way more exciting than washing paint.
Why include a hover mechanic that trivializes mario's jump ability? why make the game focused on cleaning paint? It's like they gave up after they ran out of ideas.
>>343973361
Is it playable on CEMU?
>>343978354
>Yes, it is quite exciting.
>Way more exciting than washing paint.
Why
>Why include a hover mechanic that trivializes mario's jump ability?
Because they'd already made a dozen games centered around his ability to jump you stupid fuck.
It got boring.
You want more jumping? Buy the next New Super Mario Bros NX.
>>343973361
Sunshine.
>>343978528
its the equivalent of adding jetpacks and wall running to CoD. the only difference is they stopped trying to reinvent the jump which didnt let us experience advance warfare
it sort of comes down to when does x stop being x
>>343978528
why not include a mechanic that doesn't interfere with his base movement mechanic? Why not include something that makes jumping faster, more difficult, or more complicated, rather than making it slooooooow and boring?
that would like if they made a star fox game where you don't fly or shoot anything and you walk around hitting things with a stick while escorting a companion, which sounds fucking stupid and I hope never happens
>it's a bunch of vague buzzwords
>>343978528
>lets make elders scrolls 6 a turn based game since weve already done the action genre too many times
>lets make DmC 5 a walking sim since weve done hack and slash too many times
>lets make fucking paper mario color splash a card game because we already have mario RPGs
this is your logic faggot
>>343979212
You don't know my logic, faggot.
Because it isn't my game.
>>343973361
Super Mario Sunhine is the worst Mario game. I literally fell asleep playing it
The controls are fine, but it's just insultingly easy until postgame, bland, and no fun unless you're playing with friends
>>343979410
im sorry todd ive preordered skyrim remastered twice already, but this faggot thinks getting rid of or making the main mechanic a secondary thing is a good idea.
>>343973361
>>shitty boring lifeless levels
Nope, stages look beautiful even in their minimalist form
>>no story
>He thinks Mario games need a story
>He is this autistic
>>shitty level design
Haha No. It has some of the best level design in the entire mario franchise. You're just mad it isn't just a singular map with stars and objectives placed around like 64 and Sunshine
>>akward as fuck controls
The game has some of the tighest controls in the entire mario franchise.
>>soulless music (especially compared to 64)
If I wasn't convinced that you had no idea what you were talking about before and that you knew nothing about the game at all, this would be the clearest indicator.
Nice try OP, stop sucking dicks for once in your life.
mario isn't fun anymore
Post you're favorite 3D World tracks
>>343979905
it's real fucking life now
>>343980121
WHOOPS FORGOT THE LINK HAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOPbC_XMe_M&user=SuperRayman001
>>343979645
>post yfw you tell your friend to wait up in the second level so you can get max lives
>they arent aware that youre going to constantly throw them off stage for shits and giggles but everyone else starts doing the same
it only sucks when theres shitters that get mad that they constantly are getting killed even though they make themselves the easiest target. as soon as he quit we took thwe game seriously and basically 3 starred every level first go until he hopped back in.
>>343980121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkizz-EzmPA
>>343980121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWRMSn63yb0
>>343973361
huge lifelong mario fan and I agree. That mario was garbage i didnt even finish it
>>343980121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucPSkjI3PYk&user=BrawlBRSTMs3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM_FtQL2QHs&user=BrawlBRSTMs3
>>343980121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pgj1XfTiHI&
>>343973361
its a party game anon, what's wrong you don't have friends?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcPDNkWwzW4
>>343981013
>>343980953
>>343980710
>>343980453
>>343980229
man, you can shit on nintendo for hardware, rehashes, gimmicks, online, and localization, but they have the best fucking music in the industry.
>Big band music is now soulless
I fucking hate this place.
>>343974386
>Shitty Boring lifeless levels
Compared to past games? Sure, but the level design is worth it
>No story
The fact that peach isnt kidnapped and is playable is good enough honestly
>Shitty level design
Nah chill, this game is the perfection of actual 3D Platforming to the purest, not saying it's the best, but, it is purely platforming and it does it very well
>Akward as fuck controls
8 directions is shit, however this game is pure platforming and demands good controls, galaxy style controls would fuck it over on the strict sections
>soulless music
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
>>343980121
https://youtu.be/XmDtvKD236U
>>343974419
3D land's castle theme was already great
3D World Fully orchestrating it and stressing the second half is fucking orgasmic
Honestly surpasses Koopa Road for me
>>343981791
>you will never be able to think of this song innocently again
>>343974386
>>343981768
Whoops, didnt mean to reply, it was meant for OP >>343973361
>>343981294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zIaaU5i_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcmGRvGNoo
>>343982017
Tropical Freeze is literally a 10/10 game. Everything about it is perfect. The fucking soundtrack is godly.
>>343981913
what ever could you mean
>>343982205
wouldn't you like to know
>>343981791
>dramatic meme obsessed faggots in the comments saying the song is "ruined" for them because of a fucking porn flash
The internet is a tiring place
>>343982171
I personally think returns was better, but they're both fucking god-tier platformers.
>>343982171
Yeah, it's a shame that the media ignored it
but atleast Retro was satisfied with making the game and getting David Wise back
The fact that this game exists is fucking good enough for me, this could be the last DK game in existance and i would still be satisfied
it's a bad game, it's supposed to be a "precision platformer" except 3d platformers will always be less precise than 2d ones so it's just a worse playing version of the classic sidescrollers, there's almost no new mechanics and the new ones are shit (wow transparent pipes and boost pads, we sonic adventures now) and the supposed "tight level design" selling point is horseshit because the game is full of large featureless cubes to accomodate four players
it's NSMB in 3d with better graphics and music, if that's the future of 3d mario then the series is dead
>>343982379
Not him, but Returns was a still a good game
I perfer Tropical Freeze because it doesnt reuse ideas the same way Returns does and banks on Nostalgia, unlike Returns the majority of the new music is actually great and on par to the remix's compared to Return's remixes taking the glory
The only thing Returns did better was treat Bosses and Tiki's as separate entities and the concept was interesting
I like the fact that you get a cutscene of the boss getting BTFO before going into the Slapfest with the tiki's
>>343973361
>>343982171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1jTRvxZkQ&feature=youtu.be&t=163
>>343982379
Returns was superb as well, but TF just felt more charming.
>>343982396
Totally agree.
>>343982521
Being large doesnt make the game less tight anon
You seem to be missing the point of the design
The reason it's hard and tight is because you can't be saved by anything like you normally would in normal 2D Mario games
>>343982614
Is 30 seconds of a silly song (that's not even bad) supposed to deter me?
>>343982614
The credits theme is great
But honestly, i think the Stickerbrush Symphony remix in Twilight Terror is extremely underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SLOGs9ttiE
The context is that world 3, half point, is so far going ape shit with it's level design, you literally just came out of a Tornado level and forest fire level right after each other
Getting this break at midnight, before the Rocket barrel segment is a nice touch
>>343982662
>>343982396
>>343982171
I actually bought a Wii U for Tropical Freeze. I mean there were other games I wanted but Donkey Kong is was really convinced me.
Completely worth it.
Are you one of those retards who genuinely think Galaxy is the pinnacle of Mario? There was literally nothing wrong with Super Mario 3D World and it was a metric fuckton better than all the NSMB abortions.
>>343983209
BUT ANON IT'S DIFFERENT WHICH MEANS IT'S BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>343982727
>hard
is this guy serious
game is piss easy besides champion's road where there's a retarded difficulty spike
>>343982929
Definitely underrated.
>>343983057
I agree completely. I bought a Wii U regardless, but in all honesty TF should be the main reason to own the console.
This is my favourite track from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzhOnSFcfQg
Scorch N Torch is a close second though.
>>343983432
Now that I think about it. Is Scorch N Torch a remix or alteration of Hot-head bop from DKC2? Or am I just hearing similarities?
>>343974039
Again.
No such thing.
>>343977802
Sunshine's mechanic only hindered it, different doesn't mean good (see: Sticker Star).
Sunshine gave you a babby handholding hover for all of your jumps and made a lot of the game be cleaning CHORES. Doesn't help that the game was rushed to shit with 43 shines out of 120 being red/blue coin hunts as well as reused bosses.
The only good parts were ironically the FLUDD-less levels, i.e: the ones without the game's main feature.
>>343983869
>Sunshine gave you a babby handholding hover for all of your jumps
That doesnt mean shit
Sunshine is by far the hardest Mario game in existance
Fun Fact:
Seashore War was David Wise's favorite track to compose in TF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boqy0Q-4c_M
>>343984031
"Cheapest" and "hardest" are not mutually exclusive
Sunshine had some difficult levels but also pulled some cheap shit on a lot of those bonus levels.
>>343973361
Congrats on the worst OP in years
This is neo-/v/
>>343980453
>>343980710
>>343980873
>>343980953
>>343981013
>>343981173
I mean as good as these are, they're a clear downgrade from the music of the Galaxy games
Just compare those to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UYXABAC06s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZhJDUFb58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6d4lxw9FYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJsXoRYptG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29bt-wjS88
And these are just off the top of my head. They had arguably the greatest soundtracks out of every videogame ever. While 3D World's is great, it just comes off as half-assed compared to its predecessors.
>>343984134
This song is beautiful. Is the ambient noises supposed to be ice cracking along the now frozen shore?
>>343983275
>different
>upscaled 3ds game
>>343984395
I don't think either game has better or worse music, they are just both going for two different themes. SMG was all about swelling orchestral pieces that more often than not felt like classical pieces. 3D world contained more guitar, more electronic pieces, more modern drumbeats.
It all comes down to what style you prefer rather than objective better vs worse
Fuck Nintendo and Fuck Sony.
>>343977573
What is this image from?
>>343984848
galaxy didn't only have orchestral pieces, quite a few themes had that great almost eerie atmospheric quality to them, like one of my personal favorites slimy springs galaxy
overall galaxy felt like going on an aventure in space, that's the feeling that's been lost with the 3d land/world formula
>>343984395
It's all great, half-assed is a retarded insult.
It's just going for something different, just because it's not a giant orchestra doesn't mean it's bad.
I mean shit, most of Mario 64's music is midi shit and it's still great.
>>343984736
>3D world is exactly like 3D land meme
I want this to stop
>>343985526
you're right 3d land is actually better
>>343984395
Your comparing musical styles anon
Your basically saying
>This is shit because i like this style better
3D World is better at making catchy themes, whereas Galaxy is better at situational themes
>>343984440
Given the level design, that's probably it and was most likely intentional
This song is supposed give you the full impression that the Vikings really fucked up the place
>>343984998
sm64 manual i think
>>343985404
It's true that galaxy and 3dworld mixed it up with the styles a bit, but the main themes of the games were established styles that were different. Sometimes the music in galaxy reminded me of like nova science now or the cosmos series which might have been what they were going for. the 3dworld music gets more playful which is what I think they were going for there.
>>343984972
ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa0Q5OwnVuQ
>>343985404
Now your comparing different designs
Let me make it easy for you
Miyamoto specifically calls 3D World "Middle Ground" Between the main 2D and 3D Series
It's not supposed to the open world adventures of the Galaxy games
>>343986764
3D World is a melting pot of basically ever mario game ever made, and I fucking love that.
>>343985404
Fine by me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6MfnbeilTY
>>343986764
why are you telling me that
l know they're different designs and that 3d world was born out of nintendo's desire to get shekels from the 30 million NSMB audience, l'm telling you l don't like this style and hope they go back to the galaxy or even 64 formula for the future of the series
>>343989220
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaah it's different and I don't like it!
>waaaaaaaaaaaaah I'm gonna call it NSMB!!!!
it's like you haven't even played it
>>343989716
are you actually retarded
l said it was created to attract NSMB players, not that it was exactly the same as NSMB
oh wait you like 3d world so you might actually be retarded, my bad
>>343982269
yes
>>343990895http://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=146490&n=ppppu.swf
Fuck it, let's have a 3D world thread
>best level
>best music
>favourite character
>best boss
>hopes for sequel
>>343991835
Best level is either Champion's Road for the challenge factor or Mount Must Dash for the fun factor.
Best music is the Double Cherry Pass theme.
I'm boring, I liked Mario.
Best Boss...honestly the one thing the game was lacking was good bosses. Final boss was pretty memorable.
I hope there isn't a sequel, I like it when Nintendo keeps things fresh.
Play as Toad, game becomes a million times more fun
Everyone else controls like ass
>>343980121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwxxjItHShM
Let's talk about this game. Finally bought, and enjoying so far.
Amazing soundtrack
https://youtu.be/dSZv8HEyk6g
>>343984998
either the manual or promo art. I have a folder from like middle school with this art on it.
>>343973361
>no story
Yeah, because everyone plays Mario for the fucking STORY.
Jesus christ.
>>343973361
Nigga how can you say this when Sunshine is right there.
>>343974039
>>343973361
Well 3D land is a worse version of this so you are already wrong
>>343984395
I don't like any of Galaxy's music other than Puzzle Plank
Dude, have you played it with friends? Its almost one of the best experiences on wii u
