Finally finsihed this and I don't even know what to say; I'd rather let Junpei's potty mouth be my reaction to all of this.
>>343958976
Just to make sure, my Flow Chart is Complete but...That very final "Decision Game" is left open on purpose, right? I'm not missing a anything?
>>343958976
Which thread is gonna be? >>343958564
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>>343959545
Should I jump...or not?!
>>343959395
As far as I know or anyone else can tell, yeah. Don't forget to go back into the game and check out the files that opened up.
Are there any Sigma x Phi supporters after this mess?
>>343959941
Kay thanx, I'm checking those then.
>blood gushes all over the place when someone is cut
>virus of blood gushing is revealed
>no connection is stated
>>343960095
I think the blood gushes because they were cut.
>>343959957
Well,Junpei x Akane can celebrate I guess, the Final Decision means the History in which Akane stabs Junpei's love in the back won't happen in the History the game ends in.
>>343960095
I thought there was going to be a connection with that.I also thought the animation and voice acting being weird was going to be explained by everybody being infected with Radical-6 again.
So, that's it?Mira gets away scott free?Like shouldn't everybody know she is the "Heart Ripper" after all their experiences are downloaded? Nobody says a thing after that.
>>343960651
read the epilogue files
>>343960530
>the animation
C'mon dude, that's obviously due low production values.
>>343960412
Yeah because when someone is cut their blood bursts out of them like a fire hydrant.
>>343959957
Kinda.
I like them best as a broship, not... whatever they're going to be after ZTD.
>>343960939
It's just an anime thing. Happens all the time.
>>343958564
Please stop SHIFTing between threads
>>343960530
I was hoping for something like the voices, like they were all infected and getting out meant infecting the world, ie VLR.
Instead we get D-ending 1, which is great, but I was hoping the entire game would be like that.
>>343958976
>>343958564
SCREW YOU, YOU OLD THREADS!
Man, I certainly had more truble with ZTD than VLR.
Must be all the numbers, Math just isn't my thing.
I clocked 18 hours in VLR.
I need 26 in ZTD.
>>343961357
saved, thanks for your hard work
>>343960706
Oh, I did just that.But didn't Zero's story imply Mira killed Eric's mother, the woman who picks the wrong path? They really don't come out in the open about that, or I was reading too much into it.
>>343961369
What the fuck I had like 40 hours in VLR and I never got stuck in it, unlike in ZTD where for some reason I hadn't unlocked the Q execution yet and had to vote against them again.
>>343961518
Hey, no prob.
couple boredom with paint.net and enough time and material and boom, stupid stuff comes out of your ass.Kind of like Delta!
>>343958976
So you liked it? It was good.
>>343961559
>I hadn't unlocked the Q execution yet and had to vote against them again.
Huh? That's like the begining of the game, that sure wasn't one of the scenes I had to replay to get.
So...who chopped up Junpei?
>>343961947
Gab.
Gab did.
That's who did it.
>>343961784
TooC_O_M_P_L_E_Xfor me.
>>343961947
Didn't Delta say it already? Pretty sure it was Mira.
>>343961947Mira. Probably.
>>343962012
How would a dog do it?
I've been hearing great things about this game but I also heard that it's a sequel. Are the other games too important to skip?
>>343961849
First time I voted, I made them "betray" each other, so as C I voted Q, as D I voted C, and as Q I voted D.
Later, I "allied" as everyone and watched the execution scenes, although I feel like I saw one of them twice, but not the Q execution. (And I had filled the entire flowchart about the first votes.)
So 18 hours in, I got stuck. I had to figure out if I was already supposed to know any of the Force Quit Box passwords, the door of truth password, or who the fourth person is I can shoot with my crossbow.
At some point I realised that the "Q team executed" thing was greyed out in the flowchart, so I went back to C team and voted against Q team AGAIN. I was happy to see I finally unlocked the reactor room.
I still don't get how that works exactly.
>>343958976
I really don't like using this word but...22 years old Sigma in VLR got cucked, right? Literally fathered children who aren't and are his.
>>343962375
There's only 1 sigma.
>>343962375
I am like 95% certain that is not how the term is applicable in any way whatsoever.
>>343962375
log off 4chan
>>343961947Zero says it was Mira.
>>343962325
You're actually voting in game.
Voting for Q team with C and D executes Q team, instead of just sending you down a path when one team chooses a different team.
>>343962475
Who can say that? The games spends a chunk of it trying to justfy SHIFting and what it means trading consciences.
>>343962298
>Are the other games too important to skip?
yesokay they're not ABSOLUTELY required, but it is definitely recommended for the full experience. Plus they're just good games anyways, so play em, you won't be dissapointed
>>343961369
>18 hours in VLR
My VLR save has 34 hours clocked into while ZTD is only 23.
Does Eric redeem himself later on in the game? I know about his past and stuff, but he seems impossible to like so far.
>>343962668
No. He just keepssmiling.
>>343962538
So when I went back to "un-betray them" all, and voted against D team as C team, the game still "remembered" that I also had Q team vote against D team and then they were executed? And then, when I voted against Q team as D team, D team still had two votes and were executed again. And then I voted against C team as Q team, which should have done...nothing, actually.
>>343961549>Mira kills Eric's mother
>Akane's father gets arrested for her murder before he can get into a taxi
>the surgeon who is going to operate on Sean gets into it instead
>taxi crashes
>surgeon dies
>Sean dies
>Akane's mother kills herself
Life is simply unfair, isn't it?
>>343962668
Nah, not really. If you don't feel bad for him now, you probably won't like him later.
DID ERIC LIVE IN JAPAN?
BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, ERIC ISN'T FUCKING JAPANESE.
>>343962837
I did not realize that was Eric's mother. When/how was this implied?
>>343962830
The game remembers what votes were put in.
You said D had the C and Q vote but Q had the D vote so Q had 1 vote against.
When you made C vote for Q, it remembered that D voted for Q as well, so it gave you the Q Execution since they now had two.
Jesus christ, it took me like an hour of pondering about who killed Mira until I accidentally let the clock run down. I thought it was basically one of those 'okay, you have everything you need, now solve it' things.
Disappointing game, especially finale though. I swear, the presentation in each installment got worse.
>>343963074
Eric says "tell me the truth" in the cutscene. The truth is that you don't know. That's what made me type "I dont know". (Which works.)
>>343962668
>I know about his past and stuff
Then no.
His character is just that, a dude with a rough past that shows his worst traits at the worst time.
You just have to swalllow Eric's actions are "understandable" for someone in his position, life's punching pag.
>>343963074
IDON'TEVENUNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RESAYING.ERIC
>>343963039
The fact that Eric's dying words and Mira's first's were exactly the same
>>343963031
No? Only Akane and Junpei are out of the ZTD cast. Mira isn't either. Presumably Akane lived in America at one point in time? That's what makes the most sense to me.
>>343963220
>I DON'T KNOW IDON'TKNOWIDON'TKNOWIDON'TKNOW
>>343963074
>Jesus christ, it took me like an hour of pondering about who killed Mira until I accidentally let the clock run down. I thought it was basically one of those 'okay, you have everything you need, now solve it' things.
t. retard
>>343963047
>>343962830
>I voted against C as Q
I misread. Maybe the game just said, fuck it or you forgot you voted against?
>>343963039
-Eric's words mirrors the killed woman.
-Zero keeps adding more to his tale at the pace the plot hints on their identities.
>>343963381
I probably just forgot. I'm sure that on my first time around I made them all vote for the team they shouldn't vote for, but I don't quite remember the order in which I "corrected" the votes.
>>343963298
I'm a fucking idiot. For some reason I thought that she meant her own first words when she was a baby.
>>343963031
Only two characters in Zero's story are Japanese by filling their identities, and they are from the same family.
So yeah, you just have to assume a certain Japanese family was living in the US at the time.
>>343962837
> Implying Mira isn't Eric's mother too.
Think about it. Mira goes back to the past with Eric at the very end of the game to try to stop herself from killing anyone. Her first victim understood Mira's motives and reasoning immediately, and was far too kind to someone who literally was killing her. Eric is also borderline unstable, but stays sane when he's with Mira, just like his dad was with his mom.
Incest infinity loop.
>>343963960
I need that Carlos reaction pic for this. You know the one
Is it just me or is it a bit inconsistent that Akane's father would have been in America to be confused as Virginia's killer, when Akane and Junpei obviously grew up in Japan?
>>343964182
He was a business man visiting America
>>343964182
>when Akane and Junpei obviously grew up in Japan?
Nothing in Zero's story says the man who got arrested was born and lived in the same country throughout his whole life.
>>343961369
>18 hours
Literally impossible without skipping all text and looking up the room solutions.
>>343961732
>All that time jumping hysteria and hero moments
>Just to set the finish line on fire and instead of finishing strong just running in the other direction
Jesus christ Carlos is on a whole other level of "whoops"
>>343964589
I know, right?
also toss me some 'shopping suggestion or whatever the fuck, I'm bored.
Watch out for spoilers
>>343963218
It hurts that Eric is the most relatable to me because I'm everyone's punching bag.
>>343964738
How about Q team with explosion marks on them?
>>343964757
It must have such a complex taste.
>>343964907
ehn, not sure how humorous that'd be.
>>343964798
Well, then just be happy thathe gets the girl, in jail, but he still gets it.
What fragment was it with Carlos and Junpei that sounded a little bit gay?
>Do 3 way standoff the usual way, trying Mira, Eric, and other names including Q, then come back later for No One
>Get Sean name in the other timeline and, like a smartass, go straight up to the standoff again
>Sean doesn't work
>Sudden realization hits and feel like a dumbass
>Feel like a truck has hit you thinking back at the other hints on how another person might be present and that no one actually called Sean "Q"
Best vidya villain ever coming through.
>>343965360
Except, if you actually read it, Sean breaks her out of jail and they 'jump' back in time to stop Mira from killing people.
Little do they know it just copies them instead of teleporting them, and they can't shift with the copy because they aren't shifters. Ha.
Anyways, Mira is Eric's mom.
>>343965951
Huh? I don't remember that, or I didn't see that way.
Carlos spends the whole game being a wingman for Junpei and Akane, even in that time he made that theatrics to get Junpei riled up.
>>343965967
>get the twins ending
>go straight to the standoff
>enter "delta"
>have no fucking clue what I just watched
>>343966226
>Except, if you actually read it, Sean breaks her out of jail and they 'jump' back in time to stop Mira from killing people.
They ponder that, it never goes to detailing them actually doing it.
>>343966248
In one of the first fragments Junpei asks if Carlos is interested in him.
>>343960462
wait was junpei with someone else and she found out and did that. explain
>Akane stabs Junpei's love in the back won't happen in the History the game ends in
When did you guys figure outone of the players is a robot?
I had a hunch as soon as I saw the manufacturing room, but my guess was Diana.Seanseemed too obvious.
>>343966178
Am I the only one that believes the Snail actually saved mankind? Cause wouldn't the evil terrorist still cause a nuke in the world if the snail didn't cause all of the events?
Is punished snail the actual hero of this series?
>>343966674
Junpei's love as in Junpei's love
Not an actual person
What the fuck anon
I feel C-Team got shafted a tad too much, they have less endings than the other Teams.
Well, at least the tragedy that befell Junpei's life in VLR is averted.
>>343966903
They can't complain, instead of endings they get an epic journey throught time and space abusing their super power
>>343966903
But now he can't adopt Quark
>>343966903
Meanwhile, Clover is still a popsicle and nobody even bothered letting her out.
Or mentioning her existence at all. Sigma's gone senile, I guess, since he and Akane were the ones who froze her in the first place.
Akane is just the same old bitch she always was. She, at least, is consistent.
>my mind when I realize Zero is God
>>343967119
No reason to as his family is gonna be fine
He's gonna be busy with his own babbies anyway
>>343967119
Which I don't give a fuck.
Quark was the best thing happened in Punished Junpei's life.
Well, he doesn't need that because Junpei won't become Punished in the first place.
>>343962298
You can jump to this game because the creator made it a point to make it welcoming to newcomers by brushing off important plot points from the two previous games.If I were you, I'd still play the first two, because they're really good games.
>>343967329
Quark may not even be born anymore
>>343966862
Now all we need is an edit and the memes are good to go
>>343967025
Junpei's SHIFTing plan is the best thing ever.
The absolute madman.It fucking failed, but it was cool.
>>343967394
Given the entire conversation about circumstance having a deep effect on reproductive cells, he most certainly will not be.
Even if his parents meet at roughly the same time they did in that other timeline, and have a child at roughly the same time, that child will not be Quark, beyond the general resemblance from common parentage.
>>343961947
Zero flat out tells you thatit was Mira.
>>343967381
While it does "welcome" newcomers, it stabs them in the back with important plotpoints of VLR
A friend of mine that didn't play VLR went to play the first scenes of ZTD and then regretted it immediately as now he's trying to play VLR and already knows that Tenmyoujy is an old Junpei and that Sigma's consciousness in ZTD comes from the future, basically spoiling that VLR is several years in the future from the prologue
Junpei also is not that subtle with hinting that Akane was Zero in the first game
>Junpei mentions that Ace broke out of prison
>this is never discussed or brought up again
Why the fuck didn't the animate the epilogue files? I wouldn't even have known the files were there if I didn't come here and see you guys talking about them. There's literally no excuse.
>>343966892
Not him but your wording was pretty poor
I got the Perceptive End long before the game tells youthere's a 4th member of Q teamand I was very confused
>>343967864
He never said that, he said that he's STILL in prison
>>343967871
Why didn't they animate NOTHING in the game and stick to the original VN style which is cheaper, allows for running commentary from the current protagonist, and looks less shabby than low production values cutscene?
>>343967678
>Junpei also is not that subtle with hinting that Akane was Zero in the first game
He actually is very subtle, since all he does is tease Akane in the very begining about using her abilities and asking if she has anything to do with Game.
It doesn't hide she was connected with all that went down in 999, but it does hide who exactly was Akane in that Game.
Am I the only one that hated theQ is Deltatwist? Not the actual revelation thatZero is Sigma and Diana's child, but that there was an old man in a wheelchair hanging around the whole time just offscreen that no one bothered to acknowledge until it was plot convenient
>>343967992
You're right, those animations were trash. Sometimes their wrists would be thin and all fucked up.
>>343967929
I went back and triedDeltaat every single choice the moment I figured it out and was actually pretty disappointed with how few times it actually changes anything when you put it in.
>>343966816
I thought the secret was that it was a flatchested girl under the helmet, and had suspicions that it was a time-displaced Phi
Side-bar, you're a moron if you thought Diana was a robot because she's very obviously the human being that Luna was based on
>>343967864
I could be remembering wrong, but I thought Junpei said he's in prison, but wouldn't be surprised if he had broken out.
>>343968067
It was acknowledged several times, but the game obviously tried his damn best to make you think it was something else
>>343967871
They likely ran out of budget.
>>343967929
Which is bizarre since some Decisions remain locked even if you know the answer.
>>343968067
It's the same as sigma being an old man in VLR really. There are many hints in both games.
>I was only 67 years old
>But in my 22 year old body
>I loved Zero so much, I owned all the watches and bracelets
>I play Decision Games every night, thanking him for the life I'm about to lose
>"His motives are complex", I say, "Life is unfair"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>He is obviously jealous of my devotion to Zero
>I called him a cunt
>He slaps me and sends me to another timeline
>I am crying now, because my face hurts in the previous timeline
>I get injected and forget the previous 90 minutes
>I feel a warmth moving towards me
>I fell something touch me
>It's Zero (Q (Delta))
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear, "Why? Because of a snail."
>He mind hacks me puts me on my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I solve puzzles for Zero
>He transports me with an alien device
>It makes no sense, but I do it for Zero
>I can feel my other selves dying as he kills my dog
>I try to prevent the deaths of six billion people
>I want to please Zero
>He laughs a mighty laugh as he tosses me a gun
>My dad walks in
>Zero looks him deep in the eyes and says, "Plaudite, acta est fabula. "
>Zero leaves as the walls reveal it was all one ward
Zero is love, Zero is life.
>>343967992
>We want the Telltale Audience
-Uchikoshi
>>343968067
The most egregious part of it, to me, was every timeDelta was revealed, someone - I think always Eric - would INSTANTLY call Sean "Sean", for the first time that the player has ever heard, as if he's been doing it every other minute.
>>343967864
Junpei says is IN Prison, but he wouldn't be surprised if Ace somehow has escaped.
He just wonders.
>>343968067
the only thing that bugs me is that they would never have called Sean by his fucking name once among all these hours
>>343968328
top fucking kek
>>343968239
Except the hints from Sigma are actual plot elements you can piece together and the twist in ZTD relies on half the people on Q team refusing to address each other by name for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and not think or mention certain things at any point even when it's really weird not to.Like, how the fuck was Q getting around if he's deaf and blind? Was somebody pushing him in his chair?It feels like a twist that the 'game' was designed to hide rather than the 'story', if that makes any sense at all.
>>343967678
That's true. It's not like he brushed off all plot points, but I find it silly that Junpei cannot just outright say that Akane was (1) Zero in the second Nonary Game, (2) she was one of the reasons why he has turned cynical. He hints at both, and calls her out on her bullshit at times, but I feel like his level of anger would have been beyond what we saw, given how his childhood friend lied to him and in a way endangered their lives.
Aside from that, I'm also pissed at a number of scenes, likeJunpei talking about how he and Seven destroyed FtS's HQ like it was nothing. Like what the fuck. If it were that easy, then how come no one thought of doing that before? And of course Junpei proposes to her in the end. After all the crap he has been through because of Akane, he still gives her a ring. Things just don't make any sense to me.
>>343968189
>>343968239
I don't mean that there's not cryptic hints, just that it's really bizarre that no one ever interacts with him because it would obviously ruin the twist. It really feels like they were stretching too hard for a shocking twist.
Also >>343968350 and >>343968439
>>343968514
ZTD is the worst in the zero escape franchise, so don't think about it too much dude.
>>343968558
Well, I guess they had to find it first. All that came next was making sure they hadZero Escapeoptions.
>>343968350
Yeah what the fuck is up with that?Oh you thought that the kid's name is Q? Lol nope his name is Sean. Oh you didn't know that? Too bad for you, 'cause Q is actually the old blind man right there.
That was contrived as fuck.
So how did all of the charactersget back in their pods after being knocked out so the next group could wake up? Was it an army of robot Seans? Did a 124 year old man lug their dead weight bodies around?
>>343968965
>Was it an army of robot Seans?
yes
>>343968965
Literally directly shown in the gameIt's the Seans
>>343968965
Zero shows images on how it's actually an army of Seans doing the heavy lifting
>>343968760
How didDeltado all that shit at 124? Why did Junpei's hair and eyes change colour between games?Why didn't Delta use his mind reading, time travel machine, seemingly limitless wealth and resources, clone army of assassins, and cult dedicated to him, to try to figure out who the killer was instead of getting six random assholes to do it?How come Sigma says thatPhi/Deltaare the first two people he's ever loved unconditionally when they're his 3rd and 4th children, do Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?Fucking aliens, really?
>>343968965Presumably all of the backup Seans. When Carlos gets attacked, it doesn't seem like it was the "Sean" we saw throughout the game, so it's likely there were more than one active in order to keep the game going.
Posting this strawpoll again
http://www.strawpoll.me/10671235
Which ZE game is your favorite?
Why did Zero kill Mira in that particular timeline anyway?
>>343969121
>>343969129
>>343969131
Ah, I somehow missed that. Thanks.
So did they just not follow up on the secret final scene in VLR at all? Not even a passing mention of the biggest sequel hook in the entire previous game?
Why do Sigma, Phi and Diananot get epilogues like the other two teams?
Why areDelta's eyes fucking purple?
>>343968816
And yet Junpei and Seven found it within a year. I seriously doubt that those two are capable of finding it on their own and destroying it together.
And if that's the case, then why did Crash Keys not do anything to help them? If Akane's goal was to ensure that FtS does not release Radical-6while not knowing of Delta's true plans, wouldn't you think that it would be in her best interests to help the two out?
I'm getting this for my birthday in 2 weeks, currently replaying VLR to refresh my memory. How disappointed am I going to be with ZTD? I have heard that there are lots of unresolved questions. I am still hyped to play it though.
>>343969212
COMPLEX MOTIVES BECAUSE OF A SNAIL
>>343968965It's the Seans, Delta explains to Sean himself how his other selves help him, it shows the Seans carrying dead bodies around, so it can be assumed the Seans carry the sleeping members as well.
What does this face covey?
>>343969210
>tfw 999 is your overall favorite game but Sigma and Phi are your favorite characters
>>343969138
>Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?
Kyle and Luna aren't real humans
>>343969384
I was thinking that the eyes were another alien related thing, but apparently it's just medicines, old age and mind powers
>>343969212His excuse was that she was a mass murderer and had it coming, which doesn't really explain why he'd want her there in the first place and give her free reign of the compound only to kill her later for sudden moral reasons.
>>343969352
Nope. It's one of two things:
(1) Sequel hook
(2) Uchi couldn't come up with a proper way to write Kyle/? into ZTD.
Either way, he basically just drops that plot point, expecting us to forget about it.
>>343969416
It's an enjoyable ride for most of it until you start nearing the end and realizing just how bad all of the plot problems are.
>>343969437
"My nipple size is weird. Junpei would probably laugh at my nipples but then bite one afterwards."
>>343969531
>implying clones/100% perfect human imitation robots aren't real humans
What happened to Kyle or '?' from VLR? I finished everything in ZTD but I don't think they brought it up.
>>343969212
COMPLEXThey probably got into a fight, Mira might have caught Delta in the act of dropping the wheelchair bound man farce; remember that Mira had more freedom than the others.
>>343969614
Are the puzzles good or bullshit hard? I had trouble with a couple puzzles in VLR, but overall I think I'm fairly good at solving them.
>>343969815
See >>343969591
They just ignore it completely.
>>343969815
>What happened to Kyle or '?' from VLR?
Dropped.
>>343969576
The whole point of being able to SHIFT is being exposed to danger.
Can we at least all agree that the Fuck/Marry/Kill for this game is Mira/Diana/Phi and Junpei/Carlos/Eric?
>>343969892
One or two puzzles are dumb, but most are pretty manageable. Personally, I had a problem with pixel hunting.
>>343969416
You can tell Uchikochi just wanted to please the fans of the old characters, giving them closures and heartwarming scenes.
You might want to play it without caring too much for the plot.
https://youtube.com/5as7jLDMyIg
>>343970042
The fuck would you kill Phi for
>>343970084
Yeah as a standalone game with Zero Escape in the name it's fine but as for ending the trilogy, it's polarizing.
>>343969964
If only there was some sort of deadly game they were playing in an underground base filled with deathtraps and killer shota robots to serve that purpose.
Nope, better bring in this uncontrollable sociopath who is responsible for everything going wrong for everybody.
>>343970042
Why would you want to fuck Mira? She doesn't even look good, plus she's apsychopath
Why not justkill her and rip her heart out
>>343969964
Isn't that what the, you know, death traps are for? Why suddenly flip flop on her for moral reasons later then?
>>343969892
They deal with more numbers this time, that's for sure.
Some puzzles, like the Alien Pods, were harder to me because I just forgot basic math.
>>343970084
Considering I don't understand most of the plot, that shouldn't be a problem.
>>343970253
Found the faggot
>>343970042
I'd rather marry Mira. She and Eric seem real happy in the endings where she doesn't kill him. Diana's too high-strung.
>>343970042
>kill Phi
No
>There are people lamenting over an ending where Junpei and Akane get married and Team D has happy family time
Kyle, ?, who? Who gives a fuck about a literal "please buy the third game to know what happens" from Akane
>>343970373
Aha!
>>343970361
Found Eric. Go back to your ice cream store,grieve for your dead mom, brother and keep getting abused by your dad
>>343970042
>implying you'd get to fuck mira before she kills you
I'm confused, was original-Sean Left? Or was Left also dropped entirely?Why did Delta even send Dio to the moon to stop everybody from traveling back in time when his fucking birth hinges on it?
>>343970185
Because Diana is wife material and fucking Mira would be the sex equivalent of a death sport, like BASE jumping. Also ballistics.
>>343970480He's next
People who don't fucking understand that they're saying they're going to send you, the player, back to the test site in VLR and thing they actually were going to send Kyle, are fucking idiots.
>>343970223
>those looks they give eachother
10/10 anon
>>343970403
Akane's a fucking bitch. Why would I want her to be happy? I would've been ecstatic if she just died to close the trilogy.
Also
>Best team did not get an epilogue
>>343970619
Except that that creates the 'player' as a character in the world, which is also never followed up upon. Yes, we know it's blick winkel 2.0, but they never do anything with it.
>>343970490
By my understanding, Left was the child with whomDelta was raised. Sean was a child Delta befriended after he was already old--hence the snail story.
So yes, Left was almost completely dropped as a motive.
>>343970490
Original Sean is the boy that dies because the surgeon died in the car crash, he's the boy that meets an old man (Delta) in the hospital
Left was the non-blood related brother of Delta in the family he got adopted in, in 1904
Delta send Dio on the moon because he knows there's a timeline in which he fails and ends up helping him get conceived
He could've sent anyone really, we just ended up with Dio
why is there NO fucking porn of Mira yet?
>>343970774
I hope you likeguro
>>343970619
Akane says Sigma wouldn't leave Kyle behind.
Wouldn't Mira bepretty damn young when she killed her first victim, Eric's mom? How the fuck the police arrested the wrong person; is Uchikochi telling me a child was a crime genius and covered all her marks?
>>343970774
I feel you.
>>343970774
She's a useless tramp.
>>343970670
thank
I still don't know why I fucking made that thing.
>>343970774
Because she's disgusting andwould just kill her partner to see his heart.
>>343970490
Fuck, none of the other inconsistencies have bothered me but this one got me.
>>343970870
Who are the cops more likely to arrest for murder? An adult male or an 8 year old little girl?
>>343970042
>you will never marry Carlos
>>343970619
Except when they say Sigma would never leave Kyle behind, that Kyle is critical for this mission and that he actually arrives in 2028.
>>343970986
Fuck equality.
>>343968558
>but I feel like his level of anger would have been beyond what we saw, given how his childhood friend lied to him and in a way endangered their lives.
I felt that it would be less since he knows why she did it and would have done it willingly if that was a choice. If anything he should be bitter about being just left behind after that not that it happened.
>>343969138
> TFW THE GAME LITERALLY FORGETS THE EXISTENCE OF ? AND KYLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPER DUPER ULTRA IMPORTANT.
> SIGMA AND PHI ARE MORE CLUELESS THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN AND ACCOMPLISH FUCKNOTHING.
> THE ENTIRE EVERYTHING WAS FUCKTARDED.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>343970870
no one would suspect a little girl of a brutal murder
>>343970870
In the flashback, she has a little girl voice, so yeah.
>>343969437
>Concern
>>343970870
More likely it was a combination of shoddy policework, incompetence, and a general disbelief that a child would do such a thing in cold blood. And given Akane's general personality (not in ZTD) it's likely her father had some Machiavellian thing going on too--making him look more suspicious.
Am I the only one saddened by the lack of this fantastic gentleman?
>>343970870
It's more likely that in that case Akane's father was so fucking suspicious they just went with him as the culprit and called it a day
The problem lies in the fact that Mira managed to kill a lot more people withouth getting caught
We also see she doesn't really care about not making a mess with all that touching the hearts and get covered in blood bullshit
>>343971081
Please look forward to it.
>>343969352
He wanted to cater to a larger audience. Having ? and/or Kyle would spoil VLR.
The whole cinematic style killed the dialogue too.
>>343970904
>implying that's not my fetish
>>343970986
How would they even prove him guilty? Isn't this America? Innocent until proven guilty?
>>343971140
No, you're not.
I'm sick of characters that are meant to be likeable because underneath their exterior they have a traumatic past or whatever.
Dio was just a dick. That was nice to see.
>>343971198
You're seriously telling me that he dropped major plot points because he was worried about spoiling the previous game in a fucking direct sequel? Especially since I don't think anything in this game would have made any goddamn sense to somebody who didn't play the first two.
>>343971198
Could have broke the fourth wall at the end again mentioning the player and hinting this may not have been their first time doing this.
>>343971269
>Innocent until proven guilty?
that has literally never been the case
I actually liked it. Here's my two cents on it:I'll start at the very end scene first. The game ended on a note that resolved the conflict, but left some ambiguity in the true fashion of the series. The ambiguity left is open to interpretation, and not really something crazy like VLR teasing the events of this game. It's a satisfying ending because it completed the goal we wanted. We knew from the start ZTD was going to be a "journey is more important than the inn" type of game, and that held true. The game was tense, story was well told, and the twists were unexpected and great. Some of them may have been predictable by dropped hints (For instance, I figured out fairly quickly that either Phi and Diana had that "looks up to her as a mother figure" trope, or Diana was actually her mother somehow). The Delta twist was particularly interesting mainly because it seemed like an ass pull at first, but if you think about it and go back and look, you can tell it isn't. There are plenty of scenes in Q-Team where you can see the shadow from the chair. They never refer to Sean as Q, and Eric and Mira were always like "Who is this kid and why is he here?", like they were surprised he was even there at all. Eric, while not a likeable character nor intended to be, was portrayed well. He was a mentally unstable paranoid man that had an obsession with Mira. He goes off spouting things like "Mira is my angel", which sounds like something you would read here on /v/ about Rosalina. With Mira's behavior, you could tell their relationship wasn't exactly healthy for Eric, and Mira was taking advantage of something, but it was difficult to say what until the reveal of her being the Heart Ripper.
For those that think "mind hacking", was a total ass pull, I direct you to this:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/961351-nine-hours-nine-persons-nine-doors/faqs/61629
Ctrl+F for "Junpei: But I still don't get it...", and read until you see what I am talking about.
>>343971198
>Having ? and/or Kyle would spoil VLR
And Sigma being old, from the future and a SHIFTer doesn't?
Haven't played this game yet, have a question about characters. Are Snake and Clover in this? From what I remember, Clover is frozen right now, but what about Snake? Is he ever mentioned?
November 26, 2029
Did you mark your calendar for the big day when god reveals himself?
>>343971496
This hurts my eyes to look at
>>343971269
Maybe ZE and AA take place in the same world where all trials last three days.
>>343971542
Nope, neither or them get so much as a nod.
>>343971269
Surprise surprise, the justice system isn't exactly fair.
This was brought up in the game. The DNA test or whatever used in the original trial was flawed and used for the conviction. Afterwards, when the damage was done, a new/better test emerged proving his innocence.
Just like lie detectors, they don't fucking work but some in the field swear by them (if only for the mental anxiety they cause).
>>343971054
Probably. It's just that I'm mostly surprised that he still puts up with her presence, given how he complains all throughout ZTD about how the Akane that she knew from when they were kids and the Akane that is in front of her are two completely different people.
He knew what she was like and what she was capable of, and yet he still proposes to her. Love really is blind, I guess.
>>343971542
No. I don't think they're even mentioned.
>>343968113
Let's not forget the thing with Sigma's elbows.
>>343970084
> Uchikochi just wanted to please the fans of the old characters
> Junpei acts nothing like Junpei.
> Sigma and Phi randomly became bland as fuck and flat-out retarded.
> Everything was about catering to a larger audience and not spoiling the two predecessor games in the fucking finale of a trilogy.
> Clover, Alice, ?, and Kyle literally forgotten and never mentioned.
> Phi's hair and eyebrow suddenly changes and contradicts VLR directly (e.g. Sigma never mentions having a daughter named Phi despite it being a very very uncommon name).
> Delta, a random character from nowhere is the antagonist in the finale, completely unrelated to the Brother described in VLR/999.
> Left doesn't exist.
> Shitty plot with underused mechanics (e.g. the teleporter could have been used to have an alterdimensional murderer instead of 'hurr zero did it, or the obvious serial killer did it'.
Yeah right. The only good twist was the ward one.
>>343971269
he just has to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and they'll wreck him, but thats besides the point. You're overthinking a small plotline that shouldn't require rigorous detail.
>>343966903
No it didnt. Junpei loses Akane and adopts quark in most of the time lines. They just created a new timeline with a guy that is not that junpei and gave him a good ending.
Literally nothing changed. Imagine I go to your house and kill your family, your dog and eat.your eyes. Then before I go I tell you "dont worry dude, I just created a a parallel universe in which I didnt kill your family!"
>>343971606
Here: https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/961351-nine-hours-nine-persons-nine-doors/faqs/61629
Start reading at "Junpei: But I still don't get it...". This is about "mind hacking".
>>343971616
Huh, well that sucks. So much for the Snake is Brother theory
>>343971020
Kyle is Gab
>>343970042
> Diana.
U S E D G O O D S
Seriously, it's Mira/Phi/Diana and Carlos/Junpei/Eric. Though, stealing Jumpy from Akane would be kinda cruel.
>>343968965
Why wasn'tDelta found in a pod?
>best villain in the series is the first one
>best ending in the series is still safe
>>343971363
Not the same anon, but even though it might be a stretch to think that Uchi dropped that plot point in order to cater the newcomers, we shouldn't forget that he basically brushed off major plot points from the two previous games. When characters discussed the evemts and the aftermath of 999/ZTD, Uchi used a fuckton of subtle hints in the dialogue instead of getting straight-to-the-point, which was honestly one of the things I fucking hated about the game.
>>343969437
Complex emotivations
>>343971772
>small plotline that shouldn't require rigorous detail.
Huh, so it's like the aliens then.Just having some fun, Anon. Don't take it seriously.
It's really weird that people are saying we didn't get enough answers. What is there to say about the other characters from 999? They live happily ever after. The only dropped plot point was K/?, everything else was more or less covered if it mattered, even if things like Zero's motivation were shit.
>>343972038
*999 and VLR.
I still don't understand whythey sent Phi from 1904 to 2008
>>343972176
Hexperiments
>>343972176
Chock it up to coincidence
>>343972176
To test stuff.
>>343972176
I think they were experimenting with the transporter thing they'd found.
Man, someone with Phi's personality would not have done well in the early 1900s.
>>343971946
>Though, stealing Jumpy from Akane would be kinda cruel.
And killing him would end with a crazed Akane killing you.
>>343972176
It was part of an experiment
The facility she was sent in, in America, is actually where Phi from 1904 was working in as an old lady
>>343970990
>You will never marry both Carlos
>>343972176
It was an experiment performed by the germans.
The bigger question is if it was really created by aliens, and if so, why the fuck was it completely glossed over?
>>343972176
Practical joke.
>>343969138
>How come Sigma says that Phi/Delta are the first two people he's ever loved unconditionally when they're his 3rd and 4th children, do Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?
Did you just skip through Sigma's dialogues?
He created Luna, Kyle, Lagomorph and everything else because he was lonely old man.
He created them expecting to be loved in return, is not that he didn't care for them, which he did, and a lot since in this very game there's a Timeline he mourns not being able to create them as he was about to die.
Anyway, since Sigma created them, expecting something out of them, that is love, it could never be uncoditional.
>>343972238
>chock
