>At E3, Kotaku spoke with Nintendo producer Risa Tabata about Paper Mario: Color Splash. When the topic of story came up and how much plot the game will feature compared to Sticker Star, she said:
>“This time we have–I don’t know if I want to say a proper story–but we have a story (laughs). It starts from kind of mysterious opening.. You’re not sure what is going on, and as you go through the story, you’ll realize, oh this is what happens. And there’s a lot of interesting stuff that happens with you and Huey.”
>>343954232
Fuck this, bring back the writers for TTYD
>>343954232
>Koopalings are bosses
>Bowser sticker in the first fucking level
It's not a mystery.
>>343955157
Calling it now, the final battle will have Bowser use the power of paint togrow big
I know how much you don't like the way Mario games are going by story but here is the thing. I want to make people happy and when I see NSMB skyrocketing in sales I know many people are being happy playing the game. I want those people to stay happy so I make sure the games cater to them so that they won't be distracted by much. People play Mario games not expecting a complex story, they just want funny cartoon characters saving the Princess and world from the cartoonishly scary Bowser. Happiness is a top priority that can be weighed down when the game pauses to introduce some character that wasn't needed or to stop because the plot demands it. This isn't what people who play Mario games want, they just want fun. After all the game is fine without a huge narrative or a new set of cast members, so do we even need it? After all adding all the text and characters will only delay the games release with all the translating and planning. Go read a book or watch a movie because Mario games are not meant for you. Now that's out of the way, the reason why we toning down character variety and story is quite simple. It saves time since we can just re use a character design over and over again, kids won't mind Toads look near identical in main games anyways. Onto dialogue, localization takes time so by toning down the script the game can come out earlier for all to enjoy. Lastly, why do you want another game with a similar battle system as the first two Paper Mario games? Do you really want a rehash and make Paper Mario near identical to other RPGs or do you want a fresh and new experience? Tanabe is just experimenting with the idea of Paper Mario which is not wrong. As far as I know Super Paper Mario and TTYD didn't even feel like real Mario games.
>>343956352
> Makes Mario Spinoffs
> All of them act just like the mainline Mario platformer game.
This is why Miyamoto needs to retire. It's time for the man to take a break from Nintendo
http://www.strawpoll.me/10675844
Since they want it to be an action adventure series, why not drop the turn-based combat?
>>343957967
They really loved making Sticker Star
>>343957326
NSMB is not mainline and Miyamoto has little to do with them. The 3D Mario titles are considered mailine.
>>343957967
>>343958153
If they want to do an action RPG then why not just stick with the Super Paper Mario formula instead of a system that actively punishes you for engaging in combat? And sure they want to do an Action Adventure type game, but did they really have to gut the witty writing the series was known for?
>>343958328
NSMB and NSMB Wii are considered mainline. Only the handheld games aren't considered mainline.
>kill f-zero
>kill mario party
>kill golden sun
>kill star fox
>kill paper mario
>on the way to currently killing metroid
Who else is next? Fire Emblem? Kirby? Zelda?
>>343958557
Animal Crossing
Expect lots of micro transactions
>>343958557
>Fire Emblem
It's already a corpse
>>343958673
>Expect lots of micro transactions
it's gonna be a mobile game, would you expect anything else
>>343958730
>It's already a corpse
Are you one of those faggots who hate the "muh anime pandering" or are you talking about the shit NOA pulled?
>>343958557
>F-Zero GX can't be topped, the series ended on a VERY high note with the Amusement Vision games and the anime game
>Mario Party 8 was horrible and despite 9 and 10 changing how the game plays for the worse, the minigames are some of the best they've ever been
>Golden Sun was always shit and Camelot has even made better RPGs
>Zero is still a better game than Adventure, Assault, and Command
>Super Paper Mario did that
>Metroid was never popular
So is a series dead when they get sequels you don't like, or not at all?
>>343958943
Bit of both honestly
>>343954232
Making a new thread i see? You guys must have been spooked lol i hope you still use the hate to make a new paper mario rpg tho.
>>343954232
>asian woman
>her name is Risa
You can't fucking make this shit up.
>>343959506
Me cago de la risa
>>343958557
Do you honestly expect them to continue making over 80 series in a constant time frame, but also make new ips, but also make hardware, and also make other stuff? Like, there is no team that wants to do F-Zero. If a team does make an F-Zero, then what ever franchise that team is in charge of will get the boot. Example: There is no Animal Crossing on the Wii U because the team instead made Splatoon. There is no Metriod Prime because Retro wants to make Dong games. Do you not understand how this shit works?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10676121
>>343959727
idk what that means but risa sounds like an asian trying to say lisa
>>343959506
>>343959827
He's shitting from laughter
>>343958948
>Metroid was never popular
0/10
>>343959757
Sakamoto's team was also working on Tomodachi Life and assisted with Miitomo. Oh and the Rhythm Heaven games. And anything Wario related outside of the last two Land games.
>>343959814
I don't think I could bare with either option. Unless the gameplay changed entirely for the first option. I need both aspects to make a Paper Mario game truly good.
>>343959848
I just posted mine because the dumbfuck who screencapped it wrote the first comment, liked it himself, then came back at least 3 days later to take the screenshot and post it on /v/
Does anyone have that source that said all the people who worked on the first two paper mario at Intel Sys have since left?
>>343954232
Is Mario Kart pretty much the only Mario spinoff series that hasn't gone to shit?
>>343959848
These are fake right? This s like Reshiram-tier obsession creepy.
>>343959814
Shit, I forgot to put the third option
>Stop, Stop he's already dead
>>343956138
Do you work at nintendo?
>>343960000
Didn't know that he did that, what a faggot.
>>343960146
No they aren't.
>>343960000nice numbers
>>343960146
It's real
>>343958328
??? Where's your source on that familam?
The NSMB series was made primarily because fans of Mario didn't care about the 3D series compared to the 2D series (at the time being compared to Sunshine), so Miyamoto created NSMB for the DS. And sales wise, it outsold nearly every Mario game title since World.
>>343960000
What a waste.
>>343959950
Exactly. Because there are soo many damn franchises, they all can't get constant sequels. The only way to get an F-Zero game is to outsource it, which Nintendo tried, but the other company said "kek no".
>>343959925
He's kinda right, the series has been around for like 30 or so years and only two games in the series have sold 2 million (Metroid NES and Metroid Prime)
>>343958328
NSMB is mainline, though. They're traditional Mario platformers. How is that not mainline?
>>343958557
> Fire Emblem
Not happening because they got the niche fanbase they needed in Mericuck, and thanks to muh waifus, it's not going anywhere soon. Zelda may survive a bit longer thanks to BotW, but Kirby is a maybe.
>>343960232
NSMB is Tezuka's baby. Not Miyamoto's. Miyamoto is not the only fucking person at Nintendo. Also, have you always wondered why the 3D Mario titles actually have budget?
>>343960005
The co-director of Sticker Star was the art director for the previous games.
>>343959757
This could be solved if they stopped trying to do every single thing in house and started getting other studios to make some games with their IPs.
>the story is as flat as a sheet of paper now
>>343960137
>pretty much
>spinoff
it's the literal only one. and we're lucky 8 was as good as it was, because it was headed in a shaky direction coming into the U. I honestly think they made it good by accident.
>>343960485
They kinda have, we had Star Fox by Rare, Namco and Platinum. We got Hyrule Warriors by Koei Tecmo and we got Other M by Team Ninjaled by Sakamoto.
>>343959757
>>343959757
>Do you honestly expect them to continue making over 80 series in a constant time frame, but also make new ips, but also make hardware, and also make other stuff?
They have literally been doing exactly that since the 90's or are you too young to remember?
>Example: There is no Animal Crossing on the Wii U because the team instead made Splatoon.
Didn't stop Animal crossing: Amiibo Festival from releasing.
>There is no Metriod Prime because Retro wants to make Dong games.
One of nintendo's lead developers for metroid federation stated it was a prime game.
>Do you not understand how this shit works?
I think you're the one who doesn't understand how this works anon.
>>343960705
Also directed by the man who directed the Mario Land and Wario Land games. Don't forget that.
>>343960705
Also Sega did F-Zero GX and Capcom did Oracles and Minish Cap.
>>343960485
Like Federation Force, Other M, New Mario Parties, etc. And like I said before, that impies that the other studios want to make Nintendo games. Nintendo pitched F-Zero to Criterion, but they said "Nah"
>>343960475
> Miyamoto is not the only fucking person at Nintendo
I never said that, calm your fucking nigger ass. I was under the impression Miyamoto was the one that gave the idea initially, and was just a head in the game's development, nothing more.
>>343958557
>Killed Star Fox
I hate this meme, honestly. Star Fox Zero was good and just about anybody who ACTUALLY played it will tell you that. Everybody else is busy gurgling Yahtzee and Polygon excrement.
>>343960241
>what a waste that we won't get all these wacky patrick batemen edits and a new wacky meme on the get xDDDD
>it's a shame someone used a post to discuss something, instead of just memeing all over the place
>everyone should just post one word memes from now on xD! JUST!
Fucking neck yourself, redditor. Unfunny faggot.
>>343960705
There's been a backlash by Nintendo against this sort of thing as of late. Star Fox being the one exception but unlike the previous game Miyamoto heavily supervised it.
There was an interview somewhere where Nintendo said they wanted to stop reliance on 3rd party collaborations on their core franchises but damned if I can find it now.
>>343960808
Did Sakamoto direct those games? Going by their Wikipedia pages:
Super Mario Land: Satoru Okada
Super Mario Land 2: Hiroji Kiyotake/Takehiko Hosokawa
Wario Land: Hiroji Kiyotake/Takehiko Hosokawa
Wario Land 2: Takehiko Hosokawa
Wario Land 3: Takehiko Hosokawa
Wario Land 4: Hirofumi Matsuoka
These were the directors of the Mario/Wario Land series.
>>343961114
Really, NSMB was made because they wanted to make a new Mario title on the DS and it would have been much easier (and cheaper) to make a 2D game. It's whole shtick originally was "WOW, IT'S A 2D MARIO, BUT ALSO HAS 3D MARIO ELEMENTS" And then it happened to release around the time when the DS was actually starting to sell.
>>343960826
Capcom (it was really their developed Flagship) also developed the GBA Kirby games and Squeak Squad.
>>343960627
Pottery.
>>343961231
Hosokawa was the co-director of Other M.
It's really hard to say how much work he did though. Time to read the Iwata Asks again I guess.
>>343960789
>They have literally been doing exactly that since the 90's or are you too young to remember?
Back when they had a much smaller collection of franchises to handle, it wasn't too hard. Compared to now, suddenly every franchise is expected a new installment every 2 years. It's unrealistic.
>Didn't stop Animal crossing: Amiibo Festival from releasing.
What does that have to do with anything?. That's made by Nd Cube, the people who make the Wii Party games. All they know what to do are party games.
>One of nintendo's lead developers for metroid federation stated it was a prime game.
It's a spin-off, made by Next Level Games. There is no new Mario Strikers for this reason.
Like who the fuck do you think can make an F-Zero game? Tell me which dev isn't already loaded on their own series.
>>343958943
>Jap version has a child giving a heartfelt conversation about how happy she is to be reunited with her father after being gone for so long
>NoA version: "Rawr! That means I love you in dragon! X3"
and let's not forget this gem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wjaX0orUSM
>>343961201
He was referring to the wasted quads.
>>343954232
>tfw no Peach gf
>>343961723
Kid Icarus Uprising was probably one of the few examples of NOA actually improving upon its original script rather than shitting all over it like what they've done with Triforce Heroes and such.
>>343961132
Anyone who actually played it will also tell you that the stealth mission was tedious, your partner A.I. is weak, the story is uninteresting, the multiple paths mean nothing and the andross boss fight while slightly more "engaging" is in the end disappointing.
It doesn't help that by releasing the remastered star fox 64 for 3ds a couple years ago all the troupes Zero played off of felt over saturated.
>>343962004
How exactly did they ruin Triforce Heroes? One line doesn't ruin a game.
>>343960463
>Kirby is a maybe
What? The Kirby series has done well and from the looks of it, Robobot is no exception
>>343962086
>>343962272
While that meme shit does bother me also he said 1 line doesn't ruin a game. Give more examples.
>>343961709
> Like who the fuck do you think can make an F-Zero game? Tell me which dev isn't already loaded on their own series.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin%27en_Multimedia
The guys who literally made their own f-zero/ wipe out type game because Nintendo and Sony killed their own respective series.
They could have and would have easily made an f-zero game if Nintendo asked them to.
>>343962034
Yeah the stealth missions sucked ass and the multiple paths didn't have as much impact as they did in 64 but let's be real, the whole purpose of the hidden scenarios and alternate missions and secret boss fights in this game is to offer more content and the game does that really well, especially if you're a medal hunter. Game has a pretty fair amount of content for a Star Fox game, even though I could have gone for even more of those sweet Arwing and Landmaster missions. Could do that shit all day.
Partner AI has always been pretty shit and in Zero you mostly wanna keep them alive to boost your hit score. Don't care too much about the story in a Star Fox game, personally.
Also the 3DS remake of SF64 kinda blows. It's slower-paced with less responsive controls and a shittier soundtrack.
>>343962150
As of now, Kirby's doing good, that's why I said maybe. We don't know how things are going to play out in like 5 more years.
>>343961959
no shit that's why i said "what a shame we wont get wacky patrick bateman memes" you fucking child. it's not wasted if it's a post on a topic. if it had been a LE WACKY JUST MEME that you could all comment on and repost on reddit, then it would have been a wasted post.
>>343954232
I can easily see Nintendo going the way of Atari and Sega.
>>343959814
Here's an updated and more detailed version of this poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/10676239
>>343954232
>“This time we have–I don’t know if I want to say a proper story–but we have a story (laughs)."
I wouldn't be surprised if she was heavily limited in what she could and couldn't use for the story of this game and wasn't happy about that fact during development.
>>343962004
I remember reading about the KIU script being supervised by an actual novelist, instead of just the monkeys of Treehouse.
>>343963276
I don't get it
>>343965939
Do you have a link to that? I'd be shocked that Nintendo actually went the extra mile for something.
>>343954232
It's a shame really
The game had good ideas and execution
That pirate ship and riding the dragon from captain toad are fucking sick
But it's wasted on a shitty concept
They can't ignore the negativity though, Color Splash has been very noticeable
They will have to think things through if they want to make another game
>>343966116
Sorry, not at the moment.
>>343962004
>>343965939
Sakurai specifically told Treehouse to change the dialogue into what it turned out to be now
It was a team effort
>>343954232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOBdwh570j8
>>343966886
>Aya
Isn't that the woman who thought amiibo Festival would be a good idea and only made it because she wanted Animal Crossing amiibo?
>>343967167
Yes.
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/honestly-we-just-wanted-animal-crossing-amiibo-aya-kyogoku-on-the-genesis-of-amiibo-festival-and-happy-home-designer
>USG: Was the original concept behind Amiibo Festival to create an Animal Crossing Game that involved Amiibos? Or did the idea come along first and then the Amiibo integration was something that added in later in the Development Cycle?
>AK: Initially when the Amiibo was announced, there was nothing really said about Animal Crossing Amiibos or any plans for that matter. But as the Animal Crossing team, we were confident that if there was one, it would be really cute... honestly, we just wanted Animal Crossing Amiibo. We wanted the company to make Animal Crossing Amiibo, so that's why we made a game that works with them.
>>343958943
The first matters a lot more than the second
>>343954232
And just to think, even the music of the Paper Mario games fit together so well with the great story it had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAn5_G_eD8w
That ticking clock is pure sex.
>>343968856
>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cnbOpRPBK4
>>343969006
my nigga
>>343968856
I love how it's essentially a twisted, dark remix of Flipside
>>343969006
Nigga, don't get me started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TX4sOGfW9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVU70xYa0gE
>>343969036
Pic related
>>343967736
Honestly Atleast this is a justified reason
Better than
>I wanted the series to try not having RPG elements
That Tanabe wants to shoehorn
>>343956352
Nice pasta, fag
Anyway, it seems very hypocritical to tone down on the unique NPCs and story when the games still have you interact with NPCs at length. If players were uninterested in talking to interesting, funny, unique characters in the old Paper Mario games, why would they want to talk to Toad#9001? Why should I have to talk to them at all? Why not just have the game be 100% gameplay?
Your still going to buy it aren't you?
Don't lie to yourself, you must have some little reason inside you that makes you want to buy it regardless of what they pull
>>343969915
I didn't buy SS, even back when I didn't know it was shit. I have even less reason to buy this. I don't have a Wii U in any case.
>>343969847
For the record, No where did it say that Miyamoto didn't want interractable NPC's and other sorts
He just felt that it should have more focus on the actual Mario world with recognizable characters
I feel people just want to blame him out of anger because people pile on reasons to hate Miyamoto
Tanabe is the sick bastard who thought t would be """""fun""""" to use an all toad cast
>>343969915
I didn't buy SS, my friend gifted it to me for Christmas as a joke because he knew I hated it. He'll probably do the same thing this year.
>>343958517
>NSMB and NSMB Wii are considered mainline.
in what fucking time do you live in
>>343957326
>Blaming Miyamoto
>After when he already stepped down
Tezuka is in charge of NSMB and Yoshi
Tanabe is in charge of Paper Mario
Miyamoto wanted the Mario world to be used
Tanabe chose to ruin the ganeplay and turn everything into toads
>>343970525
They've been bought into the "main" series when they exploded in popularity though. Wii even has a direct reference to Galaxy in it' credits.
New Super Mario Bros is probably considered more official than 3D world at this point.
>>343960461
The same teams that move on from the last mainline game.
Devs of SMB worked on SMB2, SMB2 worked on 3, 3 worked on World, and so on.
Devs of Sunshine didn't work on NSMB and devs of Galaxy didn't work on NSMBWii.
>>343970724
It doesn't fucking matter, it only matters if the same devs work on it. NSMB is an entirely different team.
>>343958557
>Kill f-zero
Not having a game doesn't make it dead, they are still thinking of a good interface
>Kill Mario party
You had the same fucking formula for 8 games, 9 if you include DS
Did you see Star Rush? They are putting a new concept that could actually work since your still moving individually
>kill golden sun
>not making a game means it's dead
Also Blame Camelot, they are a lot smaller than back then, and they butchered Mario Tennis while also sucking Golfs dick, fuck them
>kill star fox
Regardless of how bad gyro is in Star Fox Zero, it was a revival from the start and it did some good shit like all range mode and presentation, there can easily be a sequel to fix the flaws
>kill paper Mario
Color Splash's negativity is going to do something, but Color Splash isn't changing
>>>>Metroid
Did you miss the part where Tanabe told you that it was a 7 year old project to give backstory that will be followed up on a future Metroid game? And the only reason the game looks like that is because Next Level Games can't into realism
>>343966539
>They can't ignore the negativity though
>Nintendo
>Can't ignore negativity
>>343970850
>it only matters if the same devs work on it
What the fuck?
>>343970737
It's crazy to think the Pikmin 3 team is the same one who does NSMB and the 3D Mario team now was chosen because of their work on DK Jungle Beat.
Who else here /Hacked Wii U because not nintendos bitch/
>>343971448
Would consider fucking Mario Party a mainline mario title? Or Sonic Dash a mainline title? Or the shitty PSMove Ratchet and Clank?
>>343971989
Nintendo switched to Tokyo team for Galaxy though.
Guess everything after Sunshine isn't mainline.
>>343971164
It's a lot more noticeable
Sticker star was the first experience so it was questionable
But color splash had been very negative from the start
Fedforce's negativity had to force the devs to tell you that it's a lore follow up to a Metroid game that would end up being on NX
And Mario Party 10's negativity following 9 has Mario Party Star Rush where they are pushing a new concept entirely that actually works
>>343958557
To be fair, all of those except F-Zero have been Stage 4 for the last decade anyway
>>343958948
So basically this, except for the bit about Metroid.
>>343958948
>Star Fox Zero is better than anything other than command
i still can't fucking believe people are defending how mediocre Zero is
>>343955157
>Koopalings
Fucking again? Why can't they fuck off for another 8 years.
>>343973206
Zero IS mediocre
But it's still a better star fox game than most
The presentation and action can't be ignored
And the gyro is still manageable
It's a bad game by design and content, that could easily be fixed in a sequel
>>343973206
Except it's not?
Sure gyro's a bitch to learn, and gyrocopter is worse than submarine, as well as the level system being fucked, but the game is still enjoyable, the action and presentation, as well as overall upgrade for All Range mode is worth the reboot
>mario party got fucked
>metroid fucked
>mario tennis fucked
>paper mario screwed
>sm4sh turned into a dlc whore
>FE is more bland than vanilla ice cream
>DK is forgotten
>kirby quietly popped up, and quietly disappeared again
>shrill fox is shit
zelda nx has no hope....
the death of wii U is as weak as its birth.
>>343973476
>But it's still a better star fox game than most
No, NO. Don't even fucking suggest that. Assault is so much better and Adventures is barely Star Fox game.
>The presentation and action can't be ignored
The presentation is completely forgettable thanks to shit-tier dialogue and limited graphical options thanks to rendering way more than the Wii U is capable of. If it held a solid 60 FPS I'd be for it but even in that scenario the game drops frames all the fucking time.
The action is bad in most levels and just consists of "kill this many enemies" and "get to the end". We don't even get one single bit of variety like in 64. No killing Star Wolf under a time limit, no missle defense, no "your health slowly drains" lava planet, no train level. The mission variety is fucking awful.
>And the gyro is still manageable
The gyro is just the cherry on the shit cake. It's needlessly shoved in and fucking worthless to gameplay. All it does is making shooting a hassle you have to keep checking on instead of being a fun arcade-style game.
God fucking dammit it's such a disappointment.
>>343973909
Nice repost anon
See>>343958557
>>343973685
Yeah I sure enjoyed all those 2-minute levels and maybe one of them was actually fun.
No alt paths. No alt final boss. No shortcuts. No fucking anything. Nothing fucking new.
The game is a goddamn shitstorm of "We couldn't think of anything so we just remade it and shoved a stupid gimmick on top of it.
>>343961723
Why do people nitpick this?
She still has her heartfelt explanation
You fucks are taking 2 different scenario's into comparison
>>343973206
Is this a maymay? It's not as good as 64, almost nothing is, but it beats assault really fucking hard.
>>343974065
This is pretty much the verbatim copy+paste for that anyone who hasn't played the game uses. I've seen this exact post way too many times, and everyone I know who has played the game disagrees with most of these points.
>>343956352
>>343974065
>Assault is so much better
Except the gameplay was extremely trash, and not just land,the game promised good shit with the first level
But none of them ever had the same standards
The only good thing abou Assault was it's multiplayer and story
>>343974542
>HURRR YOU DIDN'T PLAY IT
I fucking defended to release and pre-ordered it faggot. The game sucks shit.
>>343974445
>but it beats assault really fucking hard.
I'd really like to hear your reasoning for that.
>>343973685
I hate using the phrase but it really does feel like Nu-Nintendo magic to me. How they made a game that's basically Star Fox 64 if it was made today...with all the fun sucked out of it.
>Slow levels
>Forced gimmick
>Doesn't take any risks in levels. No crazy shit, bosses are either SNES rejects or the stage won't bother having them at all.
>>343975125
The Arwing gameplay is better in every concievable way because you dont feel like you are in a fucking tank, and the landmaster is not clunky as fuck.
>>343975125
Not him but read>>343974721
Assault's only good mission was the first and Orbital gate assault
Your defending land battles, forced gimmick boss fights, and lazy traveling after what the first level promised
Eh might as well post it
>>343975313
Zero IS a reboot
That's why people are saying that a sequel can do better
They have the gameplay down, the presentation is fantastic, all range land master is the best thing to happen
They just need a sequel with more creativity and more control options
>there will never be another paper mario game with a funny, well written, dialogue heavy story ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different personalities ever again
>there will never be another paper mario game with partners all with different skills/abilities ever again
Don't say a word. Just post your face when.
I don't give a shit if the plot is shit or nonexistent, just have interesting characters again. The wiggler and sniffit game show were the only interesting things that happened in the sections I played of sticker star.
>>343975586
>this game is bad because you need to go out of your way for collectables
#Wow#Woah
>>343975586
A lot of those are nitpicks though
Not to say the game doesn't have flaws, it does
But a lot of that picture is nitpicking from people with autism who just wants 64 agaib
Smash Bros is the only Nintendo series I care about anymore. Everything else I cared about has taken a back seat or just stopped being entertaining.
>>343975586
>Needing to work hard for collectibles is bad
Yeah nah go fuck yourself
>Making that lie about the characters when they perfectly fine in Zero
>>343975794
Casual Friday?
>>343955009
No, bring back the entire team back
There were literally 3 or 4 people in SS who were from the old PM games. About 90% of the team was new
Even Paper Mario creator was moved to Code Name STEAM development
>>343975689
>reposting
Are you guys just going to ignore the negativity Color Splash got?
Also be happy PM64 and TTYD even existed
>>343975689
>>343975443
The arwing is worse in every conceivable way thanks to having a fucking reticle that isn't accurate at all. You have to use the gamepad aiming to actually hit your targets and it's fucking annoying. The common reply is the faggotry of "GIT GUD" but the point is even if you do it's inherently unfun. The control style is less fun and less accurate than the original or Assaults. Or even fucking Command's for that matter.
On top of that, we got some variety in Assault. Invade a base of bad guys and ride your ship out. Defend from missles. Destroy hives. It's fucking something.
>forced gimmick boss fights
OH YEAH, SOMETHING THAT ZERO TOTALLY DOESN'T HAVE
[Muffled "Use the Gyro Controls Fox!" in the distance]
>and lazy traveling after what the first level promised
At least it didn't advertise itself as a non-linear game.
The base point is not that Assault is a great game. It's not. It's decent-at-best. My point is that Zero's high points don't reach the same highs as Assault and its lowes are arguably the worst in the entire series.
"Go with the flow" is the usual Nintendo strategy when it comes to stories.
>>343975586
>The bosses being in all range mode is bad
All Range mode is the best thing in the series
so what is everyone mad about?
>>343975586
>Half of the complains are about it being a reboot
Yeah no shit, they want to reintroduce be series
A sequel can easily fix the problem
>>343975680
>They have the gameplay down
They really don't. The gameplay is watered down to suit the controls. On top of that mission variety is fucking lacking. And there's only like 3 on-rails missions and they're all short as fuck.
>the presentation is fantastic
The graphics certainly aren't great and the dialogue is terrible. Story is bad as well. What's so fantastic about it?
>all range land master is the best thing to happen
I highly, highly disagree.
We can at least hope IS doesn't start working on another Paper Mario immediately after finishing Color Splash
r-right?
>>343975313
but the bosses are very creative in SFZ though. I thought that was one of its high points.
>>343970850
Wasn't the point of a "spinoff" a alternative of the original source?
The NSMB series is a continuation of the 2D series, formula and gameplay wise, just with 3D rendering. Unless specifically stated so (e.g Sonic 1 - 2 - 3 - 4), any game that plays like it's previous versions 1 to 1 is apart of the same series, whether by name, or by gameplay.
TL;DR: It doesn't matter who made it, if it plays like the SMB series, then it's a mainline Mario game. The 3D series is a sub mainline series, as it barely ever mentions or plays like it's 2D counterpart, which came first, obviously.
>>343975954
>lying about the characters
Which ones are lies and what are some examples from the game you can use to prove them incorrect?
>>343976278
>Using the main control scheme is a gimmick
>Compared to the asinine shit Assault made you do
Nah go fuck yourself
It should be illegal to make an argument solely based on Gyro controls
It's already been proven to be good when your used to it
And we know it's a problem, using it as an excuse to bitch about something that's perfectly fine is desperation
>>343958943
The fact that into turned into War Time Love Baby Making simulator from a War Time Kingdoms vs Evil game?
Yeah that shit is a husk of what it used to be just to get what little attention from the pathetic lonely fucks who jerk it to anime.
>>343975689
>>343976580
They are well aware of the flaws of their current design
So even if they did, they would take that into account
Look at Mario Party
We just had Party 10 2015, and now they are already going to release Star Rush that does a new concept that's a lot more acceptable than the car shit
>>343976683
Jesus fucking christ, it's like arguing with a brick wall. Do I have to leave gyro out of every fucking argument just so I won't trigger your autistic response mechanism?
Gyro is NOT the only thing wrong with Zero. Even without the "specialized" controls, the game is bad and worse than any entry before it.
>>343954232
>You’re not sure what is going on, and as you go through the story, you’ll realize, oh this is what happens.
...So it's a regular story?
>>343976278
Assault's bosses were indeed garbage though.Your counter argument is to complain about gyro for the thousandth time?
How about no, Zero did bosses a lot better in all aspects
>>343976620
I consider the mainline mario series to be the one Nintendo puts the most effort into advertising as an entirely new entry. NSMB is mostly nostalgia pandering while Galaxy, 3D World, and others are trying new ideas all over the place.
>>343976859
not him but the entire SF series is pretty mediocre and the newest one isn't any different.
the people who obsessive over the little detail changes in this series are autistic as fuck
>>343976859
I know that, the game does have it's flaws outside gyro
But your recent arguments were blaming gyro
>>343977026
64 is incredible, one of the best games on the 64 and arguably one of the best on-rails shooters ever made. It's not unreasonable to have a high standard for a sequel.
I'd agree that the rest of the entries are not great offering. That doesn't even come close to making Zero a decent game though, it's easily the worst console entry so far.
>>343976594
They actually made All Range fucking work for a change but the bosses that were there were...iffy.
>Boring "core" fights
>Stationary target that shoots at you, then they had the gall to recolor it
>Two bosses from Star Fox SNES one of which was the easiest shit in the entire game
>Giganigger who was alright
>A generic Sandworm and a boss version of those generic spider things...yawn
I guess I miss the smacktalk from 64.
>>343977214
>one of the best rail shooters
OH FUCKING PLEASE. Have you ever played Space Harrier? AfterBurner 2? Galaxy Force 2? Sin and Punishment?
Also, no. Adventures is the worst console Star Fox. By fucking far. It's not even a good game on it's own standing.
>>343977214
as someone who picked up 64 just a few years ago, it was mediocre as fuck.
take off those rose tinted goggles. star fox was never good and fox's only claim to fame is being in smash
>>343958557
They killed Chibi-Robo, too. That's how lowkey it was, you didn't even remember 'til I mentioned it.
>>343977085
For chrissakes, it's like you don't even read besides what you want to see.
Here are literally my arguments, copy-fucking-pasted, with the gyro complaints rolled out.
>Gimmicky boss fights and copypasted bosses from 64.
>Overuse of ARM and boring on-rails missions that are way too short.
>Absolutely no mission variety as basically every missions is just "blow up the bad guys". The few that deviated from this were alright.
>The gyrocopter section feels like giving hitler a blowjob.
>Least amount of content in one of these games.
>Only one alternate path that you actually have to try to do.
>Character banter and dialogue is awful.
>Game story is literally the same with no attempts to spice it up in any way.
>No secret boss. No reward for doing well.
>No multiplayer
>Chicken walker is useless most of the time unless a level is specifically crafted for it
>Mapping the roll, somersault, boost, brake, and sharp turn to one stick was a terrible idea and it performs terribly
>The game is a cakewalk.
Now will you fucking take your head of your ass and assess these?
>>343977401
I have. SF64 is great in comparison, as are those.
> Adventures is the worst console Star Fox.
Are you unironically comparing Adventures and Zero
Are you now going to say that Paper Mario is the worst mario platformer?
>>343977401
>Adventures is the worst console Star Fox.
It was well liked when it first came out. It's only because JonTron made his unfunny videos that people jumped on the hate bandwagon.
>>343977669
Yes, all the reviews and its legacy constantly being heralded as the best game in the series is all untrue. I made it up and rewrote the wikipedia page for the last decade.
>>343978312
Justin Bieber has good music because he's popular. This is what you just said.
>>343978068
That was Tanabe too. He needs to be stopped.
>>343978312
just because people suck it's dick doesn't make it god's gift to mankind. Mediocre games getting insane reviews is not an uncommon thing, anon
>>343958820
"Mayor the new bridge will be completed on 1 days 5 hours 47 minutes 16 seconds, but you can use bells to finish it right away! Not enough bells? Here's our bells packs"
And the most expensive pack is worth 60 bucks.
>>343978427
>>343978584
>this is the star fox zero defence force
no goddamn wonder people shit on nintendo here all the time. You make me look like a fucking normie.
>>343954232
>This time we have–I don’t know if I want to say a proper story–but we have a story (laughs)
Why are they making the game worse on purpose?
Is this still because of Shiggy? Will that asshole die already?
>>343978710
wtf are you talking about that game was just as mediocre
>>343978820
It's Tanabe that needs to be burned at the stake. He's the one who ruined Paper Mario.
>>343978820
Tanabe. Miyamoto is a small chip on this block.
>>343958943
Breeding and reclassing changed the games at their core
>>343979041
Well Miyamoto wanted the developers to scrap pic related because "It looks too similar to TTYD" and said "Who needs story in a Paper Mario game?"
>>343980379
>Scrapping a game in 90% development because he was sick of the old style
I'll never not be mad at this
I think the problem here is that Mario and Luigi wasn't really as beloved as Paper Mario at any point, yet the former is the series they are keeping the core RPG series.
Tough break Paper Mario fans.
>>343974065
>The action is bad in most levels and just consists of "kill this many enemies" and "get to the end". We don't even get one single bit of variety like in 64. No killing Star Wolf under a time limit, no missle defense, no "your health slowly drains" lava planet, no train level. The mission variety is fucking awful.
All this falls under "design and content" which is what the guy you're replying to is saying makes the game mediocre.
You are agreeing with each other and still having an argument. Holy shit, this board.
>>343981684
The Director is just using M&L as a scapegoat for the fact she's Tanabe's sock puppet. Mario and Luigi was never intended to "take" anything from paper Mario by existing.
>>343982136
They've said this repeatedly.
M&L is the core RPG series and Paper Mario is the experimental series.
Since Thousand Year Door. I mean you can reject if you want it's still true at the end of the day.
>"Since this is taking place within the greater Mario world, we wanted to focus as much as possible on the familiar Mario characters. As you mentioned before, when you're limited, that tends to bring out greater creativity." I had commented earlier in the interview that the original Paper Mario seemed to be designed to put a creative spin on the Nintendo 64's constrained technology, and Tabata said those constraints are still important even on far more capable systems. "We had to think a lot about, 'Alright, if it's all Toads, how do we make them distinctive? How do we give them personality?'
>"One we thing we decided was that the basic Toad is red, and then if they have something different about them, we'll change the color. And a lot of the personality comes out in the text. You can also use the fact that they all look alike as the basis for jokes. We're really trying to focus on using all these Toads, and other familiar characters, and still creating great variety and keeping things interesting."
>"We've done some play tests, and there were quite a few people who cried at the end," she told me. On hopes those will be tears of empathy for the characters, familiar as they may be, rather than tears of bitter fan betrayal
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-hopes-to-keep-paper-mario-color-splash-interesting-despite-its-limits
That can't have 2 Mario RPG series is such bull shit. It would be like if CocaCola discontinued Shasta and Dr. Pepper because they can't have multiple brown fizzy drinks when Coke and Pepsi are there.
>>343982226
>They've said this repeatedly.
Well after the fact, after people noticed they were putting out horseshit? Why are you posting individual sentences with this much spacing, by the way? Is there ever a reason to format like that on an imageboard?
>>343978618
Animal Crossing has always been a game about waiting though.
>>343984478
We've done some play tests, and there were quite a few people who cried at the end," she told me. On hopes those will be tears of empathy for the characters, familiar as they may be, rather than tears of bitter fan betrayal
Either they're literally rehashing the Kersti scene from Sticker Star or these people are literally delusional.
>>343966539
>>343972901
Stop typing
like this
please.
>>343984478
Who the fuck is MAKING them stick with Toads? They're trying really hard to make them stand out from oneanother but it feels like they'd be so much better off if they just had more freedom.
>>343958557
>>kill f-zero
No. The arcades killed F-Zero. It was successful at first but it didn't take too long until it legitimately failed to survive against the competition in that environment.
>>343985418
Either they are imposed by somebody or they are oblivious to how the races in Mario are varied
>game's location is basically Delfino Island 2.0
>it will probably not feature the Pianta Syndicate
why
>>343985802
The Pianta Syndicate do not original from a mainline Mario game
>>343985864
oh yeah
>>343985864
What's stopping them from using Piantas though?
I think someone just really likes Toad.
>>343986236
They literally think the Mario NPC cast is limited to just Toads
>>343986236
Because they think generic Toads > Unique NPCs
>>343986236
>>343985650
It's Tanabe taking Miyamoto's suggestion of more familiar Mario NPCs too far. He must love it to think replacing original characters and races with just toads with different personalities was a smart decision.
"lol yeah they're all generic toads, but look, they have different personalities! You'll love them! They'll be so memorable!"
>>343987415
It's like love. It's like romance
>>343958557
Pikmin 4. I am expecting Pikmin 4 to have a gimmick of some kind that will ultimately ruin the series.
I've been shitting on Tanabe for years. He killed Metroid, Chibi-Robo and now Paper Mario.
Get fucked people. Get fucked.
>>343958557
Kirby is going too strong to be killed.
>>343989561
Bad Touch! Bad Touch!
>>343954232
https://youtu.be/JbeWI95VMSI
>>343980379
That was Sticker Star. Color Splash was their chance to not fuck up, and Tanabe had more of a hand in that than Miyamoto.
>>343980379
That looks pretty much like Sticker Star with a few minor differences and 1 different area(cards) and a different world 3 boss. Have you even played it?
>>343992251
I didn't even need to watch past the first couple minutes.
>Miyamoto fired all the staff and stuck a new team on Paper Mario he wanted to reign all the spinoffs into the mains series
That's pretty what I suspected
>>343954232
Isn't this what you morons wanted anyway? The best part of Paper Mario's writing is the events that happen in the self-contained chapter/worlds.
I think what she's saying is that 20 minute joke of a serious story between every chapter that TTYD and SPM isn't going to happen. It's more about player discovery than some shitty OC throwing exposition at you at the end of every chapter.
>>343992813
>That looks pretty much like Sticker Star with a few minor differences
>>343994618
It's a step in the right direction but it's still filled with boring ass Toads so the areas that are self-contained look pretty dull looking.
>>343994618
>>343959348
this is some gay ass fucking niggershit
>>343966539
They will just stop making paper mario games if you don't buy it. I'm happy to let it die at this point but it's a shame we'll never get a true ttyd sequel.
Either we buy the game and they think the formula works or we don't buy it and they think paper mario as a whole is unpopular
>>343992926
Thank you!
>>343958557
If we're being fair anon, Golden Sun killed itself. It was a bad series and it didn't deserve half the praise it got in the first place
>>343961723
Jesus christ you're autistic. They change literally a single line at the end and suddenly "uh the tone of the conversation is c-c-c-completely different!"
Fucking neck yourself inbred
>>343958557
zelda is dead next it will fall to the open world is good meme
>>343975586
More then half of these are grasping for straws. I hate that I agree with some points because this is something I'd expect from reddit
>>343980379
It's interesting to see stickers around even with partners and OG characters.
>>343974065
>No killing star wolf in a time limit
There's a mission exactly like this actually. 2 of them! You didn't play the game.
>No shooting down missiles or anything
2-3 levels like this too, there's even droids that try to zap the great fox to distract you from the missiles. You didn't play the game.
>There's not a level that constantly saps your hp
Good
You didn't play the game. Fuck off and die.
>>343997316
>replying to a 6 hour post
>>343954232
>yfw Nintendo just continues to get worse and worse and worse.
Even as someone whose been playin their shit for 26 years, I cannot call myself a fan anymore. I'm just on the ride now to see how far down the shitter they go because "MUH EASY CASUAL SHEKELS".
>>343998541
That isn't your normal autism. The faggot replied JUST to insult him and tell him to kill himself (which he memed the whole way)
>>343978618
>>343958820
>>343958673
>mfw microtransactions everywhere and amiibo pay walls everywhere.
yep, definitely done with this company.
>>343959757
why don't they just hire more peopel
>>343999153
They're cheap chink jews.
>>343999153
They did, the Iwata Asks states 90% of the people who worked on Sticker Star for example never worked on a Paper Mario game before.
The games would be trashed because the best Nintendo developers known for working on the series wouldn't be working on them.
>>343999597
It'd rather they'd been trashed than continuing to what we got today. An excellent example of "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain."
>>343960137
I swear 150cc in Mario Kart 8 is slower than 50cc in Mario Kart 64
>>344005078
prove it
>>344005078
I wouldn't say it's slower but it does feel different since the games before DS control & handle pretty differently.
TanabeXToad OTP
>>343994618
>tfw your destiny amounts to 'generic Toad'
>>343994618
Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't we have interesting characters, story that happens in self-contained locations but with events which get referenced again later?
Why can't we have both RPG elements and funny paper mechanics?
>>343954232
Nintendo needs to stop trying to be smarter than its fanbase. We know what we want and we'll pay with our wallets. They're essentially failing by choice
>>343969381
>https://youtu.be/uZtXEvjhgaE?list=PL6akIKaXBeU33xyx-X733FALFHQbFNACA
When this played in full, I almost cried like a little bitch.
