AS I BECOME MORE PRESENT NOW
I CAN'T SEE THROUGH THE PAIN
A HOLLOW CUT THROUGH MY VEINS
A HOLLOW CUT THROUGH MY VEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS
Is MGSV the most disappointing game of all time?
Is there any bigger middle finger in the industry than developing a game purely for marketing purposes and then not adding a single bit more content, actually going so far as to leave out the finale yet still show fans it existed?
What did we do to deserve this?
(The Phantom takes his Toll)
>>343936049
AND DID YOU LEAVE ME ANYTHING?
>>343936405
YOU WERE THE PHANTOM OF MY PAST!
>>343935257
Kojima is a genius if you ask me, he managed to stay tryue to the theme of the game, and cause actual phantom pain on the MGS fans.
>>343936405
YOU'RE THE PHANTOM... OF MY PAAAAAST!
>>343934727
>God Lord, Fisher! The missions abandoned, I'm pulling you out.
>>343936579
>>343936620
DO YOU EXPECT ME TO LAST THIS WAY!?
>>343935257
>tfw I still watch the Elegia trailer every now and then
It's just so well put together...
DO YOU EXPECT ME TO LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST....THIS WAY?
>>343936582
i have no idea if you're serious or not but if you genuinely are that much of a kojima dicksucker i hope you get all your limbs blown off a la skullface
he had the potential to make the greatest game of all time and he fucked us
how anyone can say Kojima has a shred of credibility after the trainwreck that was the jeep scene is beyond me.
>>343936620
You're now hearing the jazzy solo and the 80's techno outro
>>343936582
I can't wait for Kojima to make "Death Strands: Buyers remorse" and have people hail him as a genius when the player sees it's shit and feels buyer's remorse himself.
I love this theme, it's so fucking under rated. It'd probably get a lot more love if it wasn't hidden within the shitstorm that surrounded this game when it got released.
Kojima should have made a trailer of this song with gameplay footage instead of Elegia.
If Venom loved Quiet, he wouldn't reject her advances, he did several times though.
>>343935257
News about the final chapter would have gotten out regardless and just created more doomed expectations.
At least this way you know it's not anymore emotionally satisfying or binding to the rest of the series than the actual ending.
This is the song I always listened to while playing MGS V. I remember being so shocked when I found out it was not a fairly popular song taken from the 80s but an actual original song for the game.
Maybe it's just me, but it feels perfect for the main theme of a 80s inspired Cyberpunk video game with cyborgs. It just fits so perfectly. The lyrics are pretty blatantly about MGS V's plot when you really break them down, though.
>>343937424
Along with abandoning her. He abandoned her.
>>343937424
Venom knew Quiet tried to kill him once, why would he want to risk it happening again?
>>343936965
>he still can't see the bigger picture
This was all intentional. You need to move past your anger and see that Kojima was telling you to let the MGS series go.
>>343937584
Good point.
>>343935257
>Is MGSV the most disappointing game of all time?
No. That's MGS 4.
>Is there any bigger middle finger in the industry
Yes. It's called MGS 4.
>>343937424
Big Boss gave up on love the day he killed The Boss. Honestly, Venom's love for Quiet is one of the only major differences between Venom and Naked.
>>343937424
Venom's one true love was Emmerich. He sent him away to be safe, he knew Huey was too innocent for what was happening.
>>343937715
This.
MGS 4 was a far bigger atrocity to the series than MGS V could ever hope to be.
>>343934727
Is this game even fun if you have never played MGS?
I remember playing one on PS2 I think. I can't remember a lot. Maybe it was PS1.
>>343937715
>mgs4 is bad meme
nah, much better than 5
>>343934727
What happened to DD after phantom pain?
>Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss
>she knows who the real Big Boss is
>but for some reason Skullface doesn't
I never understood this, how could Quiet know that and Skullface which is considered a mastermind don't?
>>343936965
>he had the potential to make the greatest game of all time and he fucked us
Boo hoo, he merely ended up making the best game of the year and the third best MGS game instead.
I agree that the game could have been better, but it's still fucking great and I can't stand faggots like you.
>>343937884
>MGS 4 is good meme
Nah, MGS V is a million times better than that piece of shit. Not that this is singing particularly high praises about V. 4 is just really that bad.
>>343937775
And Quiet is ugly as sin, clearly.
>>343935257
No I spent about 200 hours in MGSV, it's an incredibly comfy game despite the shortcomings
>>343937884
>Faggot thinks MGS V is a bad game
>Same faggot thinks MGS 4 is a good game
>Expects his opinion to get taken seriously
E V E R Y
T I M E
>>343937859
It's probably ideal for non-fans because the gameplay is different and the story can't do much to you either way.
Even if you go play the first few entries after it you won't remember shit from TPP or how it relates to what you're playing, so you can enjoy those too.
>>343937884
5 is superior to 4 by a very long shot
>>343936832
>tfw made my own music video similar to the Elegia trailer using I'll Keep Coming
the pain won't stop
>>343937715
to be fair the Ocelot fight is GOAT. a much better sendoff for the series than MGSV.
that said at least almost all of MGSV's dialogue centers around the themes of the game. it's not just paragraph after paragraph of mind numbingly boring exposition. i know because i run a MGS twitter bot and had to wade through swaths of this crap just to find the few memorable quotes the game had.
>>343937884
MGS V may have been disappointing
But the absolute worst thing about it are the MGS 4 apologists that came out of the woodwork
Go fuck yourself, MGS 4 raped and murdered the series
>>343937884
MGSV can be excused because despite everything it's still a fun game.
MGS4's story is just as bad as V's, only it's about 10 times longer and you barely get to play anything.
>>343937859
it was pretty much designed for new players in mind. it also has the best gameplay of the entire franchise, although the content is lacking in that it's fairly repetitive.
who knows, you might play it and get hooked and wanna go back to the other games.the first MGS game i played was 4, i loved it and have been a huge fan of the series ever since
>>343935257
it was pretty good to anyone who never played the other games like me
it was fantastic apart from the story elements
>>343938365
MGS 4 wasn't a good send off to the series at all
Unless you consider taking the dog backyard and shooting it in the head a "send off"
>>343938430
I'd say 4's is almost worse, I mean when big boss comes back was when it hit the truly abysmal mark. Then again that describes both I guess.
>>343937884
>>343938365
Any Metal Gear game that isn't Snake's Revenge >>> MGS 4
Right now the favorite thing MGS 4 shitters like saying is that it's at least better than MGS V. Here's three reasons as to why that isn't the case:
>STORY
Both games have fucking horrible stories, but MGS 4 is a far bigger offender not only because the story is more retarded, but also because it was the story that ruined the rest of the series by fucking up characterizations and events from the previous games including Ocelot, the Patriots, The Boss, Zero, Para-Medic, Sigint, Merryl and Eva. MGS V, by comparison, can't ruin what is already ruined beyond repair and merely told its own retarded wacky story that is really not that important to the overall continuity, let alone ruinous to it.
>GAMEPLAY
MGS V has better gameplay by virtue of having any gameplay at all. Whereas 4 has good systems, it doesn't use those systems properly anywhere, there are only two hours worth of core stealth gameplay at the very most and then there are the boss fights (which are admittedly pretty good), stupid action sequences and then of course the "gameplay" by which I mean the cutscenes, codec calls, microwave hall, all of Shadow Moses until the boss fights, all of Act 3 until the boss fight, etc. It doesn't even have fucking VR missions so the only way you can experience any of the gameplay is by playing MGO (Which always was and always will be nothing but a novelty that isn't really that fun to play). By comparison, MGS V also has pretty great systems which you actually get to fucking use while traveling on the open world and accomplishing missions. The mission where you rescue Kaz already accounts for all the stealth gameplay in all of MGS 4 and that's fucking pathetic. "MGS 4 is a movie" is an exaggeration, but it's very much founded in reality.
>GRAPHICS
MGS V looks better not just in polygon count but also in artstyle. 4 was the epitome of brown and/or washed out.
>>343936582
ye stealing splinter cell and removing camera angles was a real genius move
the ROCKSTAR of the videogame industry a guy so full of himself he gets the coolaward every day every thread heck yeh best man 10/10
>>343937775
>>343937939
Didn't she only come to the realization after joining him at MB? By that point she was reluctant to be truthful to Skullface anymore.
>>343938643
i'm not talking about MGS4 as a whole, i'm talking about the fight with Ocelot.
>>343938631
I'm a pretty big fan of the series that has been following it along ever since MGS 1 came out for the PS1. MGS V is one of my favorite games of the series. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of the faggots that pretend MGS V is bad were PC Mustards that never gave a shit about the series and just fell for the hype and watched a marathon Let's Play of it because of the trailers.
>>343937756
And Quiet is sinful because she has deep personal feelings, possibly love, for her comrade.
While Snake feels nothing for her and doesn't care about her one bit
>>343938643
>>343938786
also the REX vs RAY fight was waaaay better than the Sahelanthropus fight
>>343938807
i know this is a meme at this point but i genuinely believe in 5, 10 years people will look back on it and realize it was a lot better than people gave it credit for. most of the complaints like "Big Boss never became a villain!" are moot.
The fact that V needs to be compared to a pile of shit like 4 to be good just shows how mediocre V is
But kojima drones are one of the worst fanbases around.
>>343938774
Nah, in the hospital mission when Quiet appears she says she'll kill Big Boss, but will kill the patient on the other bed because he saw her face, and then proceed to strangle Venom, I think it's quite obvious that she's talking about Venom when she says "patient on the other bed".
>>343938956
Kojimadrones are bad enough, the worst of the worst are MGS 4 apologist Kojimadrones
>>343938956
I agree that V is mediocre but I will defend it to the death when someone actually implies it's worse than 4
4 is absolutely unforgivable
>"THIS IS PEQOUD, ARRIVING SHORTLY AT LZ"
What song starts playing /v/?
>>343939326
The Man Who Stole the World
>>343935257
MGS4 exists. MGSV couldn't disappoint as much as 4, because I was cautiously anticipating V, where as with 4, I was super hyped for it.
>>343938918
It's just the Zelda Cycle applied to MGS.
Same thing happened with MGS 2, same thing happened with MGS 3, same thing happened with MGS 4 (Although rightfully in that case), same thing happened with PW.
I don't even think it will take years. Love for the game around these parts has already been slowly growing ever since the game released a month after the shitposting storm. There will probably be a ton of fags bitching when MGS V has its one year anniversary but after that it will be back to people who didn't expect the second coming of Christ appreciating a good game.
>>343938807
>I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of the faggots that pretend MGS V is bad were PC Mustards that never gave a shit about the series and just fell for the hype and watched a marathon Let's Play of it because of the trailers.
You can easily tell this is the case if they defend MGS 4. Complete newfags to the series.
>>343939326
IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR BABE
SHE CRIED MORE MORE MORE
>>343939326
WOAH-HO HERE SHE COMES
>>343937939
Skull Face has to be the stupid villain in the franchise. His entire plan literally depended on being the most pissed off person within 5 miles of Sally Anthroupous.
>Snake did I ever tell you about the time that Zero created a secret organization and sent it on a top secret mission in in order to support your secret organization that was sent out on a secret mission. But then I realized he spoke English, so I mailed him a pin assuming he would accidentally prick him self to death. He was a good friend.
>>343938807
This is a weird comment because never playing the previous games (which can all be played on PC except for MGS4) would make it easier to like MGSV.
For example. MGS2's gameplay was hugely extended with tons of varied VR missions with multiple characters.
Peace walker had tons of quirky side ops to spice things up.
Infiltrating the same base over ans over to attach balloons to things might seem decent if you never experienced better content before.
>>343939059
It could just be an either/or situation though since two hospital patients aren't really going anywhere and Venom was closer. Plus I'd go for big boss first because he'd be more dangerous in that situation.
>>343939326
>RED SUN OVER PARADISE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynTNYSKNuk
>>343939667
This is a weird post because MGS V plays much better than 2 or PW. Especially PW with its shitty A.I. designed for portable controls.
I don't disagree that V could have used with more silly side OP's or VR missions, but it's still a better game than either 2 or PW, at least when you speak gameplay-wise. I can see the argument for 2 being better because of the story.
>>343939326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qc-Ey0D9qI
>>343939456
even though it didn't live up to my expectations i still love it for having stuff to analyze and discuss. MGS4 seemed like a fanboy sendoff to the series, trying to include as much fanwank and ever character it possibly could to close off every loop. but MGSV was like the creator's personal sendoff to the series, and he left us a lot of open ended shit so we'd still ahve things to theorize about and discuss. at least in theory, considering most MGSV threads are "disappointing!!!1" shitposts
>>343939326
Song to listen in the radio while stealthing: A Phantom Pain
Chopper song: Snake Eater
Other acceptable answer: >>343939662
>>343939326
>BACK AGAINST THE WALL AND ODDS
>WITH THE STRENGTH OF A WILL AND A CAUSE
>YOUR PURSUITS ARE CALLED OUTSTANDING
>YOU"RE EMOTIONALLY COMPLEX
>AGAINST THE GRAIN OF DYSTOPIC CLAIMS
>NOT THE THOUGHTS YOUR ACTIONS ENTERTAIN
>AND YOU
>HAVE PROVED
>TO BE...
>>343935257
Maybe of the last few years since it was hyped so much. There's been much worse, unfortunately. RE5, Deus Ex Invisible War, DA:2, Duke Nukem, etc.I really want to say Skyrim as well but everyone gets mad when you call their porn simulator terrible.
>>343939875
PW is objectively worse for gameplay.
MGS2 is almost a complete different game thought. It is fast paced and almost arcade like. I honestly find zipping through the rooms in MGS2, which all have deliberately placed enemies, and timers till they notice someone was knocked unconscious, more fun.
Clearing out a massive base with a ton of OP tools can be fun, but MGSV does not vary enough shit and it gets tiresome long before the game decides to randomly end.
>>343939326
"Bloody stream"
>>343936965
I hate dumb fags like you that blame Kojima instead of Konami. Konami is cancer upon good series and is the reason they fail.
>see Silent Hill
>>343939326
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME
>"Oh HEY Boss its me Peaquod, here let me give you a ride to each platform on mother base, no need to waste your time riding the car"
>*Calls peaquod on Afeghanistan/Africa*
>"Hey boss here is your ride"
>"Peaquod fly over to that one drop point i want to-
>"GETTING ALTITUDE"
>"Ok we are back at SEICHELESS WATERS, whats that you wanted to tell me?"
I swear to GOD this is the most bullshit thing in the entire game, you, YOU are telling ME that you can relocate EVERYFUCKINGWHERE in mother base but when its on the ACTUAL MAP THAT MATTER YOU SUDDENLY JUST FUCKING CANT?
>>343939893
>MGS4 seemed like a fanboy sendoff to the series, trying to include as much fanwank and ever character it possibly could to close off every loop
Well said. MGS 4 really was a disaster and I still feel bitter about it 8 years later.
MGS V is a masterpiece in comparison.
>>343940628
There are plenty of forced helo extractions though
>>343940665
Use cardboard boxes you daft cunt
literally the worst game of all time. nothing is worse. not bad rats, not big rigs, nothing. MGSV is the worst game of all time
>>343940732
YOU DONT KNOW
>>343940732
https://youtu.be/IvzFt8PPXvE?t=62
i like all the metal gear games, even portable ops fucking fight me you faggots
>>343940849
thats a great idea anon, you just need to stealth inside the base and cardboard yourself to relocate inside another base then sneak out of it when you could simply ask peaquod to take you there while being able to even go loud on the enemy base to soften up their force before droping.LETS FUCK ANON
>>343939326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWd2MPGIWr0
No one loved Quiet though, or wanted or liked or needed her.
>>343941216
D-dog was better
One fucking thing saves MGS 4 as I accept it as fully tittle of the franchise.
The Shadow Moses Scene with "The best is yet to come" song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQj12sETg1s
The onyl thing Kojima did good in this "game".
And maybe Raiden "rework". But that how he should look and act like from the beginning.
>>343937943
>MGSV
>GOTY
LOL
>>343940691
i find contrasting the two interesting because MGS4 was so big and loud and full of fanfare and feels rather impersonal but MGSV was so quiet and intimate. Truth really nails it home, the tape from Big Boss/Kojima kinda encapsulate this.
>>343937597
>it was shit on purpose! Kojima is the master ruseman! Chapter 3 when?!
>>343937943
>MGSV
>best game of the year
>in the same fucking year GOAT Bloodborne was released
the game isn't terrible but don't act like we weren't all shafted. it was natural to have high expectations for the promised "missing link" of the series, and it's totally reasonable to be pissed for the game not only not delivering on that, but having dozens of little fuck yous throughout.
>no boss battles
>no notable characters
>no fucking writing
>no fucking ending
third best MGS game isn't saying much.
>>343940446
how can you possibly think that shit like the jeep scene is in any way the fault of konami. Not defending them, but considering how many times kojima plastered his fucking name in the game, if he's gonna take credit for so much then that means he's gonna be the target when it's shit as well.
>>343939326
YOU CAN DANCE
YOU CAN JIVE
HAVING THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE
>>343939456
No, when 3 came out, every one praised it as possibly the best MGS game ever, with the only downside being the camera angle. Then subsistence came out, and 3 was for a long time unquestionably the best game according to consensus. 3 is one of the few games that has had continued praise on 4chan, etc for 12 years now.
>>343940732
>Have Huey and am about to leave the hot zone with him
>NO BOSS. YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE GIANT ROBOT AND USE ONE OF THE 2 ARBITRARY CLOSE BY LANDING ZONES i PICKED FOR YOU.
Fuck off Kaz, and you too Kojima.
She was left alone, to figure out like most, Venom was never going to come back because she was not worth anything to him, just an annoyance, she never asked for anything really, except attention which is too much for him to give.
she thought he fell in love with her when she made the tape and waited for him, only realized it was lies, he wasn't even a friend.
>>343941518
Have you forgotten the millions of threads with people bitching that MGS 3 was a shitty game because the healing and camouflage system sucked and because the stealth became boring and because the story didn't give any answers about the end of MGS 2 and went back in a past to a story no one gave a fuck about?
MGS 3 is my favorite game in the series. I remember very well the tons of shitposting it got, even after the Subsistence version came out.
/v/ became shit when it started to hate MGS4 months after the release because people couldn't afford a console with "nogames" so, they watched it on youtube thus perpetuating the "MGS4 is bad" meme.
Say what you will about MGS4 but playing it for the first time was one of the most satisfactory experiences I had with a videogame.
>>343939326
I STAPLE TAPE WORMS ON MY PENIS, SO THE FLESH WORM WILL DRINK BRAIN JUICE FROM YOUR FETUS.
>>343939059
I always assumed Ishmael/BB was the "other" patient who saw her face because he's covered in bandages at this point while Venom is not and resembles BB. BB was her primary target, so she goes for Venom first thinking he is BB
>>343941984
fucking this. I don't think it will be making any best of lists for Metal Gear franchise, but I do think it will take many peoples number 3 or number 2 spot.
>>343941192
I agree with you, I view them all as their own thing and have never been greatly disappointed by any of them
>>343941307
Certainly hotter than her.
>>343941984
Every game gets tones of shitposting, but MGS3 got the least out of any MGS game bar MGS. It also received substantially more praise and there have been "feels" threads for Snake Eater since the game came out (long before feels was even a thing). There were many threads about how great the Boss is, people starting threads with "What a thrill....". "Way to fall" threads, etc.
>>343942527
pls
>>343942598
Your memory is failing you and being revisionist. The shitposting MGS 3 got was merciless. A few years after the game came out, yes, it became beloved.
I imagine that's what'll happen to MGS V too. I suppose it's what's already happening, to an extent.
>>343942598
Careful. One minute solidus is changing opinions on 4chan, next thing you know he's controlling america.
>>343941491
>>it was shit on purpose! Kojima is the master ruseman! Chapter 3 when?!
The whole point of that post was to explain that Kojima made us feel phantom pain because chapter 3 is not and never will be there, and the people over here, who have managed to step back and accept that that is the purpose of the game can move on and leave the MGS series behind as a fond memory of a loved franchise. You only mock yourself with that "chapter 3 when" comment. I hope some day you can realize you're tilting at windmills.
>>343941984
I don't remember MGS3 being as hated on release, though
people were shitposting but it didn't get the raw feeling of betrayal that MGS2 and MGS4 got
>>343938109
It's as reliable as it is hilarious
You know, I like MGSV, but it's a hard game to like...
>Large, open world... same encounters everywhere
>Story is arguably poor
>The way the missions are designed just feels... unnatural. What was Kojima thinking?
>Lack of voice acting makes it feel like an incomplete sandbox game.
Why have MGS games been able to have such arousing sound design for all this time? Every foot step is sexual.
>>343943124
I honestly feel like it did. I suppose we'll never have an answer because our archives don't go that far back but it really was thread after thread of "WHO CARES ABOUT BIG BOSS? DURR HURR HE'S CALLED SNAKE AGAIN AND HAS THE SAME VOICE, HOW CONVENIENT, THIS GAME IS SHIT. SWITCH-THROUGH-MENUS SIMULATIOR"
>>343942881
I don't think my memory is failing me, but we're going to have to agree to disagree because we really can't dig up 12 year old threads. In any case, MGS4 still gets a lot of hate 8 years after the game came out. In this thread alone, many still call it the worst MGS game to date. I don't think V will get anywhere near the love MGS SoL and SE get, especially considering you have delete your entire game if you want to replay the game again.
>>343943296
>it's a hard game to like
Fuck off no it's not, at the most basic core level it's an incredibly polished shooter that never railroads your playstyle.
>>343936832
Always felt like it was the best trailer.
I guess it lied to us the most in what MGSV was going to be about.
>>343943296
i think the lack of a dynamic overworld was the most disappointing aspect for me, any story/cutscene type stuff aside. there are mods for STALKER and Fallout that nail this, it really should have been easier to do.
at this point the best you can do with mods for MGSV is Infinite Heaven which gives random patrols vehicles.
i think their biggest mistake was the lack of factions fighting. MGS4 did this so well in a few areas, having it in an open world would have been awesome. would make getting from point A to point B more interesting if there were ongoing battles you had to sneak through.
>>343943416
I don't think it will get the same amount of love Snake Eater got, or even the same amount the original got, but it will get more or less the same amount of love Sons of Liberty gets nowadays.
I don't think it's fair to compare MGS V with MGS 4 because MGS 4 really is a disaster of eldritch proportions. And even that game gets a lot of defenders. Hell, there's one right here: >>343937884
>>343943367
I think it was more due to it.
At least atschool, a lot of people were pissed that you played as raiden.
Otherwise, people seemed to like the new setting and the Boss, and most people really fucking got into the End fight, to the point some only played that again and again
>>343943763
i thought the End fight was cool the first time i did it but found it tedious on subsequent playthroughs. i thought the Volgin and Boss fights were much better.
i even found the Pain's fight to be fun in an arcadey sort of way.
>>343943467
>incredibly polished shooter
should that really be the praise for an MGS game?
not to mention it's an "incredibly polished shooter" set in a bland, ugly, and completely barren and empty open world and lacks any of the defining features that the series established, such as notable characters, bizarre and innovative boss battles, expository dialogue, and a FUCKING CONCLUSION.
Am I the only one who thought the "Rescue the african kids from the mine" had a jab at the players?
There was a line about the employer wanting snake to film their execution, and how it was done made me think that the message was supposed to be how people really wanted to see child soldiers getting killed
if thats the case, I have to wonder where kojima is going with this since people only wanted to see it because it was shown in the trailer
>>343937715
>>343937817
Yeah fuck MGS4 for having movie oriented cutscenes instead of boring audiotapes
for having condensed linear gameplay with proxy war hot zones instead of an empty open world with only narrow valleys and USSR soldiers having no local resistance fighters
for having classic boss fights instead of 4 split apart bullet sponge mini bosses
for having a difficulty system that works instead of an artificial difficulty system that gets easier as you progress with a slo mo handicap system
for having a life bar instead of health regen mechanics
for having good plot twists instead of opening credits that spoil the mission level's character debuts
for having an irl weapon shop instead of waiting 36 minutes for a fake gun to be made (where a max of 3 can only be carried with you)
for having a compelling orchestral instead of greatest hits from the 80's
for having an emotional heartfelt ending that wrapped loose ends instead of an open ended "lol you make up the headcanon" bullshit ending that leaves you confused and hanging with plot holes to fill
for having an endgame villain worth fighting against instead of a phantom prequel villain used as a plot device that you never get to fight
for not shoehorning a Metal Gear and relying on characters to drive the plot
for writing Ocelot in character instead of a boring lifeless drone
for having a David Hayter voiced Snake that actually talks instead of a mute action sock puppet being told what to do
For having a fun gameplay that changes with each act instead of repetitive missions played for the sake of grinding to win more goodies to grind with yet again...for the sake of experimenting
for having Codec calls instead of walkie talkie horseshit
for having advanced tech fit with the timeline of the story
for having a game to be played instead of a Chao garden dollhouse simulator
>>343943916
The End is something I appreciate, it seemed like what sniper wolf was trying to be, with two snipers just dueling in the midst of nature
I remember thinking the fury was terrifying as a kid, then when I replayed the fight seemed pretty lackluster
>>343943927
>should that really be the praise for an MGS game?
YES
It's an action game, it's always been an action game.
Holy fuck the first game has you in a stairwell shooutout against russian special forces.
All you're doing is nitpicking things that exist in worse forms in the older games and parroting buzzwords you heard on /v/
>>343943705
>more or less the same amount of love Sons of Liberty gets nowadays
Not sure about that, at least not on here. On 4chan, it feels like SoL is loved nearly as much as SE for different reasons. V isn't as bad as 4, it just lacks the complete narrative experience to make memorable.
As for 4 defenders, every time someone defends 4 on here, there are 4 or 5 people who call them out on their shit taste. Like >>343938014 >>343938243 >>343938391 >>343938430 >>343938673 >>343938109
4 will never be loved, only by sycophants and paid "journalists".
Fact: People who say MGS4 is worse than MGSV have never played MGS4
>>343943927
I thought the open world was beautiful.
At least it wasn't set within a western city like most open worlds are these days.
>>343943994
I am pretty sure it does like that because of a combination of 2 things.
1) MGS has always mentioned that you should not believe in legends. We were all told Big Boss was a demon. We even saw "evidence" of it. Instead the truth revels that Massive Medic was an angel.
2) Kojima is a hack.
>>343935257
Honestly, I've gotten past the story. It's never going to be anywhere near as great as I thought it'd be before the game released, so I've just accepted it for what it is at this point.
On the other hand, I've felt disappointed by the game's mechanics since it came out. I'm the type of player that tries to play very sneaky and not bring a lot of gear, so I just don't see the point in collecting GMP for developing all 2398502532032 items/weapons when I easily get by with the loadout you begin the game with. It makes me feel like I'm playing the game wrong.
Anybody else kinda feel that way?
>>343944292
Fact: you're a lying faggot who can't handle people who disagree with you and aren't intelligent enough to articulate a coherent argument so you passive aggressively attack people like a little bitch
>>343944431
you're pretty autistic for thinking having more options is bad
you can easily beat the game without upgrading anything
i'll never understand people who get upset because a game doesn't railroad them into a specific playstyle
>>343943927
Yeah all the V hipsters keep on forgetting the level design and enemy placement. MGS V's shooting mechanics don't really have any place to shine in the game.
I've owned the game for 4 days now and have 52 hours so far.
Why was /v/ so negative about 5 despite it being so good?
>>343944214
>Yeah fuck MGS4 for having movie oriented cutscenes
Agreed
>for having condensed linear gameplay with proxy war hot zones
In the first two acts, anyways, then let's conveniently forget about that type of gameplay, or indeed, any type of gameplay
>for having classic boss fights
Fair enough, that's the one strength V has over 4.
>for having a difficulty system that works
Game was easy as shit in all difficulties
>for having a life bar
Wow, truly incredible
>for having good plot twists
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, alright, I stopped reading your retarded post right fucking here, you stupid faggot. MGS 4 is a fucking joke of a story and each plot hole gets more retarded and more merciless in its rape of the franchise, especially on that retarded fucking ending. Kill yourself, my man.
>>343944431
For me, it was how limited the weapon customization was when they fixed the glitch
It felt like so much work to get new shit for it to require so many steps to get there
>can't get the walking tank
no fuck you kojima, if thats the only reason why I'm not sending huey to the ocean blue with concrete legs, then I am going to fucking pilot it
>>343944214
>>343944214
>MGS 4
>Good plot twists
>Emotional heartfelt ending
Laughed
Out
Loud
>>343944680
hipsterism
>>343944214
MGS 4's ending is garbage
I direct you to this post: >>343938109
>>343944467
Calm down bro.
Im not saying MGS4 is a good game, its not. But its not as shitty as MGSV was. For fucks sake, at least MGS4 was finished, had a somewhat coherent story, actual enemies and boss fights and interesting characters.
>>343944431
your point about collecting shit/GMP is even more damning for me considering i played through most of the game with mods to make it OSP
>tfw no rebel faction fighting russians
>can't play both sides or choose to help one
>no actual PF fighting in africa
>these guys in this area look like ____
>these guys look like ____
>no walker gear tank because Kojima said it was overpowered, which was probably damage control because they couldn't finish it
>no coop which would have been perfect
>>343944292
Fact: Anyone who unironically defends MGS 4 is legally brain-dead.
Can i run this with a 980m?
>>343944249
V is utter garbage next to 4. And to add on to what >>343944214 said, when you play 4, the story is happening to you. In V, the story is delivered in dialogue, where the story happens to someone else, somewhere else. No one will realistically listen to 99+ audiotapes where there's snippets of snoozefest conversations. Get out of here with that trash.
>>343944249
This doesn't happen in every thread, though. There are threads where fags like >>343944214 and >>343944292 roam unopposed.
>>343944680
the hype and trailers intentionally mislead people to think the game would be different. particularly the story.
>>343944214
>Yeah fuck MGS4 for having movie oriented cutscenes instead of boring audiotapes
Would rather have stupid audiotapes that I can listen to while fucking around than have to sit watching Liquid Ocelot kill US soldiers for 40 fucking minutes
>for having condensed linear gameplay with proxy war hot zones instead of an empty open world with only narrow valleys and USSR soldiers having no local resistance fighters
1 and a half acts in that game did this. The rest through this away for on the rails shooting, drawn out cutscenes, NOSTALGIA trip and follow the shitty AI NPC.
>for having a difficulty system that works instead of an artificial difficulty system that gets easier as you progress with a slo mo handicap system
Auto-camo with a radar ring made the game piss easy.
>for having a life bar instead of health regen mechanics
I'll agree to this.
>for having good plot twists instead of opening credits that spoil the mission level's character debuts
There were no good plot twists in 4. Naomi has cancer. Naomi is evil. Vamp got his powers from nanomachines, even though his powers manifested long before nanos were a thing. Everyone can easily fool the Patriots. The support team from 3 are the Patriots. Big Boss is alive. Ocelot was merely pretending. Nah, everything about 4's story was complete and utter shit. It was fanfic tier writing.
>for having an irl weapon shop instead of waiting 36 minutes for a fake gun to be made (where a max of 3 can only be carried with you)
Being able to buy weapons at will made the game fucking easy. One of the worst decisions in MGS franchise history.
>for having a compelling orchestral instead of greatest hits from the 80's
Every MGS game has a good soundtrack
>for having an emotional heartfelt ending that wrapped loose ends instead of an open ended "lol you make up the headcanon" bullshit ending that leaves you confused and hanging with plot holes to fill
One hour of BB exposition and Meryl and Johnny wedding is not heartfelt
>>343944940
>MGS4 is bad
>MGSV is worse than 4
>4 had a coherent story
>4 had interesting characters
why are you even in the thread with such shitty opinions
>>343944214
I'll be honest, my favorite part of MGS4 was the atmopshere and the beginning bit with Hayter
It felt like it was going to be some sort of robocop like thing where it was just a satirical look at this extreme version of modern times, with the war economy and the contrast between high technology and squalor
I did not get what I wanted, at least if you're going to do the beauty and the beat unit, have someone other than the arm's dealer tell me about who they were and why they were
>>343945045
the game is probably the most well optimized game to recently come out. it'll run on just about anything.
>>343944940
>at least MGS4 was finished
Not an excuse when the ending is the worst moment in all of the Metal Gear series. I fucking wish it wasn't finished. I wish I could erase that game from existence.
Also:
>Retarded strawmen
>Someone makes a retarded strawmen back
>WOAH, CALM DOWN BRO
>>343945221
i just remember being amazed at it talking so frankly about the Iraq War in an era where every FPS involved glorifying it and endlessly mowing down brown people in turbans.
>>343945221
remember that part where in the course of 5 minutes they said vamp's powers were nanomachines but also being literally a vampire then he got killed with nanomachines then naomi forced otacon to watch her kill herself while he cried
>>343945190
>thinking muh magic parasites and magic floating boy fueled on rage who magically controls a giant gundam makes more sense than an old man pretending to be a dead man who wants to destroy the world with tiny robots but was all just a ruse created by a bunch of dead old people
>implying Old Snake wasn't a better character than Big Medic
Dont you have Joosten pics to go fap to?
>>343944680
It's a combination of tons of things.
First, there's the obvious fact that /v/ hates everything, especially everything new
Secondly, there are a lot of fans that expected this game to be the greatest game of all time
Thirdly, MGS 4 fags that wanted MGS V to be MGS 4 Part 2 with nonstop shitty endless cutscenes providing pandering with terrible story.
There's also legitimate reasons to dislike MGS V, to be fair. For one, it's a fairly big departure for the series with the Open World.
It gets way more hate than it deserves, though. I personally think it's in the Top 3.
>>343935257
it's actually extremely disappointing for me but not in the way you're gonna think.
I loved all aspects of its gameplay, but I was severely let down by the repetitive level design. in the entire game, there is nothing that comes close to ground zeroes level design, and there are maybe 4 or so places that rise above the 'village with some huts' level design and are interesting enough to warrant their existence.
90% of the game is hups peppered onto empty open space with no interesting geometry to exploit. the few special bases there are are mostly uninteresting and uninspired. imo the high point of the game was actually that very first village where you rescue kaz.
I believe there is no game in the world that would benefit more from modding tools (to make new 'levels' etc.) than this game.
Why is Quiet the worst character Kojima has come up with so far?
>>343945562
Absolutely nothing in V is as dumb as nanomachines in 4
At least when they bring back characters for V they don't CHANGE HOW THEIR FUCKING POWERS WORK
>>343944717
>getting shot at
>run and take cover to heal
>if I die, I start off again with all targets market already
No wonder casuals love MGSV. Even the lack of indoor gameplay is a testament to that.
>>343945602
hopefully after Konami abandons the game people can get to work on busting out some real mods. every time they update it to add more paid bullshit it breaks all the mods, a lot of people have given up on updating their shit.
>>343939326
I couldn't figure out how to make Pequod play music
>MGSV was such a shitty game Kojima himself didnt even want to finish it
>>343945694
I'm sorry, I meant "character"
>>343945694
No, Strangelove is without question the worst metal gear character. Then all 70 characters you don't remember then Emma then some other characters then Quiet
>>343945694
her entire concept was "a naked female sniper" but they had to backpedal to the bikini that was hilariously even sluttier than her just being naked
that's really all. she was supposed to generate controversy and succeeded.
>>343945736
>playing with markers on at all
no anon, you are the casuals
>>343945694
Because you hate women, you misogynist.
>>343945736
>not getting shot at
>I'm literally invisible and no one can see me
Keep defending MGS 4 while obviously talking exclusively about the first act and conveniently forgetting the rest of the fucking game, you retarded faggot.
>>343945724
>Absolutely nothing in V is as dumb as nanomachines in 4
Uh, parasites? They are literally just like nanomachines, except even more dumb.
>>343945694
Need I remind you?
>>343945137
Cont'd
>for having an endgame villain worth fighting against instead of a phantom prequel villain used as a plot device that you never get to fight
Merely pretending is just as bad as Such Lust in terms of horrible MGS villains. The whole plot with Liquid Ocelot was fucking stupid. Same goes for the "Patriot twist".
>for not shoehorning a Metal Gear and relying on characters to drive the plot
Too bad all the recurring characters in MGS4 are ruined and the new characters are shit. "Oh great, time t hear Drebin talk about these girls and how they got raped while his pet monkey burps."
>for writing Ocelot in character instead of a boring lifeless drone
Being in love with Big Boss and doing crazy shit for your husbando is not a good character Ocelot was better when he was just a Patriot lacky that was cunning. There was a subtly to Ocelot that was completely lost in 4.
>for having a David Hayter voiced Snake that actually talks instead of a mute action sock puppet being told what to do
Hayter's voice was horrible in 4. Sutherland would have done a great job had he had lines. So it's bad voice actor talking a lot vs good voice not talking much. Both cases are shit.
>For having a fun gameplay that changes with each act instead of repetitive missions played for the sake of grinding to win more goodies to grind with yet again...for the sake of experimenting
The actual "gameplay" stops shortly after you fight laughing Octopus in act 2, and after that it's "follow bad AI" > "On the rails shooting" > "Nostalgia trip" > "cinematic corridor crawling"
>for having Codec calls instead of walkie talkie horseshit
Codec calls are non-existent and pointless in 4. You don't even get good info from them
>for having advanced tech fit with the timeline of the story
The tech got kind of out of hand in 4, considering it was 5 years after MGS2
>for having a game to be played instead of a Chao garden dollhouse simulator
>MGS4
>Game
>played
Now you're just fucking shitposting.
>>343945971HOT FUH DAYS
>>343945971
Kojima didn't do Rising.
>>343944940
>coherent story
I am reminded of everytime Eve talked and how I had no idea what the fuck she was saying
>>343945553
Vamp was the icing on the cake, to me. Motherfucker killed Otagirl and spent the whole time not being engaging
like I said, I liked the atmosphere and the bits and pieces (the Gekkos are pretty neat) about the setting, but not too much about the game itself
>>343945934
How are they dumber? It's the same thing but actually explained somewhat except AHURRRRRR NANOMACHINES from 4
>>343946050
There's a lot of stupid shit that idiot says, but "it doesn't shoehorn a Metal Gear in" has to be my favorite.
I guess he just conveniently forgot Ray VS Rex.
>>343945553
remember when Naomi was dying of cancer but the nanomachines were keeping it dormant or some shit and the moment she turned them off she just up and died?
>>343945092
Those threads are few and far between from what I've seen. Most of the time if they try to post in a normal MGS thread, they get shot down.
>>343935257
Playing through the first time. 60% complete, just finished mission 37 yesterday.I still love it.
>>343945389
That was a theme in the game. There was a cutscene with Eva saying along the words of "these children grew up on VR simulators of war. They think it's cool to fight like this."
And part of the game was Old Snake adjusting to the nanomachines. He was outdated in this modern setting of grunt soldier gameplay.
>>343946226
japanese cancer just instantly kills you I guess
>just got first non toaster computer
>game has been out so long threads are a rarity
>archive from when game first came out is lost forever
>you will never ever relive the games release
well shoot.
>MFW this is the best MGS thread on /v/ in ages
Guess I know how to start MGS threads from now on.
>>343946175
Ray and Rex weren't central to the story you cumbasket
>>343946390
>tfw still want to talk about the game and the series but everyone stopped caring
>>343946434
i always try to post about the game and its themes whenever i see a thread i just don't have the time to stalk /v/ all day like i used to
>>343945057
Too bad the story is shit. MGS4 focuses heavily on the story compared to V. And if a game or anything heavily focuses on the story, but the story is a turd, then it's a failure. MGS4 is a failure of a game
>horrible characters
>the "gameplay" gets forgotten because of the narrative
>too many on the rail sequences
>worst boss fights in the series (V doesn't really have "boss fights")
>stupid plot twists
>40 minutes of Liquid Ocelot blowing up things
But at least it had nostalgia induced feels, right?
>>343946476
That's exactly my point, friend. He was arguing that MGS 4 was better than MGS V because MGS V shoe-horned in Metal Gear and 4 totally didn't.
>>343934727
WHO KNOWS
>>343939326
I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN
>>343946115
Nanomachines were explained in MGS4 all the time. Only difference is Kojima was confined to actual science in their functions. He was constrained by those limitations, so he thought up parasites for MGSV because then he could come up with all sorts of stupid shit and could get away with it.
>>343946705
Yes, anon, Vamp running on water and being immortal is totally more logical because Naomi said "nanomachines" instead of "parasites"
You're a dumbass.
>>343946705
>nanomachines can let you pin people's shadows to the ground with throwing knives and walk on water and are the reason why ghosts exist and let you control an army with fingerguns
>>343945724
Not even the fact that they had the technology to make the Medic sound, look, talk, think, fight and share the same memories as Big Boss in the 80's?
Y-YOU WERE BIG BOSSU THE WHOLE TIME!
V is deviant art fanfiction tier horseshit. The purpose of V like most prequels (see Halo Reach) is to replicate Call of Duty gameplay to bring newcomers into the series. Adjust the mechanics to be casual friendly. Make the game piss easy. Write a story that is self contained, and voila, profits from those who didn't play the series. 4 did fanservice to those who played this series since 1, and V shits on them and caters to casuals for money.
>>343946936
Venom Snake is who Big Boss used to be and it fit into the chronologically previous events just fine
It's not even a twist considering it was shown in every trailer and people were calling it out since E3 2014
>>343946575
>horrible characters
MGSV had horrible characters.
>the "gameplay" gets forgotten because of the narrative
MGSV's gameplay was forgotten as well in the vast empty world
>too many on the rail sequences
There were only 2 of those squences
>worst boss fights in the series (V doesn't really have "boss fights")
Exactly, MGSV didnt even have boss fights.
>stupid plot twists
MGSV didnt have stupid plot twists?
>40 minutes of Liquid Ocelot blowing up things
Would rather have 40min of explosions than all the fucking time that was wasted on Quiet in MGSV.
>>343946476
Yea exactly, REX and RAY fight was shoehorned, and MGS4fags lap that shit up.
>ZOMG da best boss fight ever! It was so epic! XD!!!!
Honestly, 8 years later, and people who defend 4 seem to really have the worst taste or love it for the "nostalgia". 4 is honestly a bad game, and I haven't touched it since 2009.
>>343946226
>>343946057
>>343945553
I honestly don't think there is a more cringe inducing scene in all of MGS than this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-UIe7HTtT4
>>343946936
>V is deviant art fanfiction tier horseshit.
everything after 2 was, to be fair
>>343947120
>POO IN MY PANTS
seriously why was Johnny a major character
>>343945694
titty sniper that has a fucked up face and jagged ass
We live and die by your order, Boss.
>>343947112
i think it was also the only way to really make people hate Big Boss. he was using child soldiers and became a rogue nuclear state in PW but people still saw him as this misunderstood hero. despite it all happening in the background of MGSV's plot it pretty much nailed home how far he'd fallen from MGS3 and betrayed his ideals.
>>343947231
>after 3
Fixed
>>343947217
I don't think anything in a game will ever piss me off as much as that scene did
>>343947343
Uh?
If we're going to start accusing of games being fanfiction then 3 is by far the most outlandish fanfiction
I dare the MGSV casuals to finish this video. You'll all tap out because of how BTFO you'll be when coming to terms with how terrible V was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6cJSbYbQZE
So why didn't they play A Phantom Pain during the credits of the Sahelanthropus mission instead of just playing Sins of the Father again?
It rubs me the wrong way that one of the best songs on the OST is just unceremoniously dumped into a tape in the middle of nowhere.
>>343947614
>"ironic" comedy
>european comedy
No thanks m8, probably the only two things worse than a female comedian.
>>343946848
Running on water wasnt due to nanomachines yha doofus, Vamp had the same tech the Frogs had that allowed him to run on water and up walls.
>>343946875
>parasites can let you control fire and lighting
>parasites can let you photosynthesizes even though you're wearing a full ghile suit
>parasites can let you turn invisible
>parasites can magically act as a substitute for your bodies missing/damaged vital organs
>parasites can make your clothes turn into stone armor
>>343947268
Unnecessary comic relief. Kojima is a hack.
>>343947814
>crying about magic when magic has been outright confirmed since 3
>>343947120
>MGSV had horrible characters.
It does, but MGSV doesn't focus on the story like 4 does, as such, its horrible characters are forgiveable to an extent.
>MGSV's gameplay was forgotten as well in the vast empty world
But it's not though. The game is one giant VR mission with a "story", so you're always using the core gameplay mechanics when you play. Something that you stop doing in MGS4 2/3 into act 2.
>There were only 2 of those squences
Seeing how MGS 1 and 3 only had one, yea that 2 was too many, especially considering the ratio of those on the rail sequences to the core gameplay, something MGS1 and 3 did a good job balancing
>Exactly, MGSV didnt even have boss fights.
Rather no boss fight than mediocre ones.
>MGSV didnt have stupid plot twists?
MGSV has stupid plot twists, but again, the game isn't story focused like 4. 4 focuses heavily on the story to the point that it becomes at the expense of the gameplay. The story is shit. Do the maths.
>Would rather have 40min of explosions than all the fucking time that was wasted on Quiet in MGSV.
Quiet is hardly in the game. She can be completely skipped more or less. You never have to use her. She has one mission that you sorta have to play (In fact, you might able to skip it actually). You have to sit through the 40 minutes of explosions, the 1+ of Big Boss exposition, the Meryl Johnny shooting the FROGS scene. The Johnny/Meryl scene. The cringe inducing Naomi death scene. The "It was raining on the day I was born" scene. MGS4 has horrible scenes that you have to watch because it's a story driven game. Sadly, it's one with a very very horrible narrative.
>>343947343
>Big Boss also used to be called Snake and had his own codec team in the 60s
>He got his title from being bigger than this other soldier called the Boss, who was the bestest soldier ever and was the first woman in space. Also she's Ocelot's mom
>Snake starts to wear a bandanna because of her even though he's actually Big Boss who was never shown with a bandanna, as opposed to his clone, who never knew about her
it was a little contrived, at the very least
>>343947948
fuck off with that meme
>>343947964
Magic was confirmed since 3, but shitted on in V.
Every supernatural event in MGS has now been retconned into being caused by nanomachines or parasites with the exception of Mantis, The Sorrow and Fortune blocking bullets at the end of MGS2.
>>343947614
I don't like MGSV very much and I quit within the first 4 seconds
I can't take that fucking voice seriously
>>343948105
if anything it made Solid Snake wearing the bandana confusing. Gray Fox obviously does it out of respect for Big Boss but Snake fucking hates Big Boss, soo
>>343948152
>Kojima being a hack is a meme
>>343935257
>only 4 posts until the melodramatic neckbeards got in the thread
Why is /v/eddit such a shithole.
MGSV isfun.
>>343948169
>I forgot, your heart is on the right.
WHY
THIS IS NEVER EXPANDED UPON OR EXPLAINED
HER HEART IS JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE FOR NO DISCERNIBLE REASON
>>343948293
i wish there was a place we could talk about MGS without shitposting or adminfaggotry but there's just no place like that anywhere, it's sad
>>343948169
4 and PW shits on it way harder than V
4's nanomachines because nanomachines nanomachines was so fucking bad it became a meme for years
PW is basically "meme magic is real" and says that the illuminati has infinite money (fine okay) but that if you throw enough money at something FUCKING MAGIC can exist.
I'm not saying parasites aren't stupid but they aren't nearly as damaging or stupid as nanomachines or money magic.
>>343944214
You know what? You're right.
I'm not a huge fan of 4, some of those points may be exaggerated or debateable, you could say that TPP is fundamentally a different type of game while 4 is a more traditional format video game and Kojima didn't want to make just another game by the numbers... but those points are still true.
>>343935257
yes.
It's weird how i played this game for like 40 plus hours because I expected it to get better.
Once I realized it never would get better I just stopped playing and never picked it up since.
I had basically forgotten it even existed. it's weird that I just kind of forgot about the game all together even though it's less than a year old and I was more excited about it than just about any game I can remember.
I'm not even mad...I just accept it.
>>343948389
The heart being on the right side is an actual medical condition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextrocardia
>>343947614
There's no fucking way you aren't a MGS V fan false-flagging with that shit.
>>343948504
What damaging retcon stuff did nanomachines do aside from shit on Vamp?
>>343948614
They aren't and they've been thoroughly BTFO'd in this very thread already.
>>343947814
Vamp wore regular boots in 2. MGS4 tried to hard to explain shit that didn't need to be explained. 4 is shit. V is also shit, but less shitty than 4.
>>343948796
everything good from 4
4 actually completely shits on MGS2 so hard that Metal Gear fucking Rising had to fix it
>>343948928
So 1 characters retcon is worse than the retcon of the entire Cobra Unit?
K.
>>343936965
Didn't everyone blame konami instead of kojima after too ?
i mean i can understand that stance a bit.
>>343948614
MGSV was all about stretching the concept of a Metal Gear game to its absolute limits. Kojima spent over 25 fucking years of his life creating a gaming juggernaut, appeasing fans and stockholders alike and finally decided to take his franchise and do whatever the fuck he felt like for a game.
even if it didn't work out i can at least respect it for the ambition when you have so many yearly sequels just phoning it in these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RsZuXwGUQ
>>343948913
The counter arguments to that post were strawmen ramblings. 4 follows a traditional MGS format, where V is something else entirely. Good or bad, it shouldn't be compared to 4 with how different it is in style.
>>343948290
>man who made one of the most popular and revered trilogy of games is hack
not a meme i guess
>>343945694
She wasn't even liked by the person she loves, she was rejected several times, abandoned to whatever tragic fate, unloved, untouched, alone, for all eternity
>>343949307
3 and V have the least interesting stories (though 3's execution is obviously much better) but are the most fun to play and the only ones I ever bother replaying
1 and 2 have the best and most interesting stories but I don't care to replay them at all
Metal Gear Solid V was basically a better version of Peace Walker.
As soon as I realized this I enjoyed the game a lot more.
>>343949330
This would have been sad if we were playing as Big Boss.
The fact that we are a hypnotized medic fucking ruins all emotion.
>>343949508
i find 2 to be exhausting and a chore to play. i think outside of the meta narrative it's one of the weakest Metal Gear games purely as a game to play for fun. whereas MGSV has the weakest narrative but i find it to be the most fun to play.
>>343941196
most pickup points are outside the area
>>343939326
Undertaker's theme
>>343947217
Give me the feels induced microwave hallway over the 60's Saturday cartoon jeep ride cringefest.
>>343949541
this, it's the last refinement of a gameplay scheme that started at fucking Portable Ops
>>343936832
just watched it again
>les enfants terrible, zero called it
>show two clones of big boss
why the fuck would they do this, they literally used some shit scene and added an important sounding line over it to mislead everyone
I still feel like the perfect game exists in here somewhere...
>>343949487
>implying Fukushima was the true mastermind behind MGS1, 2 and 3
>>343949541
I thought this was obvious
It's literally the game PW should have been, entirely superfluous midquel set in the exact middle of a 20+ year old series
>>343949113
V is shit, 4 is shittier. I don't see how that's hard to understand
>Naomi's character is retconned
>The existence of the Patriots is retconned
>The Patriot AI is completely retconned as fuck
>The support group from 3 are retconned to be the Patriots
>Dr. Madnar is retconned into being alive
>Liquid is retconned
>Big Boss being dead is retconned.
MGS4 is shit, and is the worst MGS game to date.
>>343949619
yeah but it's interesting because that Paz is the fun, bubbly Paz, the role she played for all the soldiers. the Paz that Big Medic remembered. not the broken rape victim spying bitch he remembered from the implanted memories he got from Big Boss.
>>343949541
>MGSV was a better version of Peace Walker
>no co-op
>wose side-ops
>less options for gear and weapon development
>no vehicle battles
>dumbed down Mother Base expansion
>>343949721
parroting another meme are you?
>>343949752
B-B-B-B-BUT MUH LIQUIIIIID SHOUT. SO EPIC!!!!
>>343949619
desu, for me it made it better because it was still the same medic who failed to save her life and accuse himself of it. fucking hit me hard for sure
