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Is this really the best game ever? Or do we all just think that because most of us were kids when we played it for the first time so we're riddled with nostalgia for it?
>>343915164
I don't even think it's the best 3d zelda ever
Both
>>343915164
Why is this game such a shitposting magnet?
Fuck off we don't need this thread again.
I adore this game.
But it's not the best game ever. Or even the best 3D Zelda like another dude said. I'm about to set myself up for a hivemind lynch mob and say I actually liked Twilight Princess more.
Not saying I hate OoT. I fucking love it. It's just not my favorite.
Mario 64 was far better
Tetris is the only game that everyone can agree was flawless.
>>343915486
Because contrarianism.
>>343915164
The best Zelda ever.
>>343915915
this
the original tetris was exactly what it was trying to be
>>343915706
Liking tp over oot is autism
Guarantee you like tp more because muh midna
>>343915915
>>343916062
go away matt
Where are you supposed to go after the Forest Temple?
>>343916136
No, I liked TP over OOT because it's paced out better and I don't get bored after the first dungeon. OOT is not replayable.
>>343916427
I think you go to Hyrule Town and talk with Zelda.
>>343915164
>most of us
>>343915486
Because there is nothing left to talk about.
>>343915915
If it was flawless then how did they improve it?
>>343915164
It is the best game ever. There's just a lot of faggots nowadays that think movies with gameplay sections in between are games.
>the game was universally revered as the best game of all time. Some people quit their jobs supposedly when it came out so that they could play it. It was Zelda in 3D.
>on top of this accomplishment, time has shown that it's also one of the deepest game to speedrun and most exhilarating to watch.
>storytelling is arguably the best this medium has ever seen. It's the only video game with a story that's told 99% through gameplay (yeah, there's 45 minutes of cutscene but the game's replay value approaches 200 hours before you could get bored of finding new ways to beat the dungeons).
>story set the stage for Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, arguably in the top 10 best games of all time with it (you could make an argument for Majora's Mask too, ANOTHER OoT sequel, but the game is short and in some respects more linear than the other three)..
>innovated not just the openworld genre by showing that a 3D game could pull it off, but inarguably in a way yet to be topped: time-travel. There hasn't been one game since OoT that has dipped its balls into those waters.
Even if you don't believe in coincidence like me, you have to concede there is a higher power at play here.
Do you really freaking have to ask at this point?
Its a combination of both.
The music and atmosphere were better than any 3d game that had come out previous. the level of quality for that time was through the roof.
>>343918142
Isn't that what OOT is?
>>343918993
>time-travel. There hasn't been one game since OoT that has dipped its balls into those waters.
SS
I played it when I was a kid after being hyped for it. It was fine. I don't even consider it the best Zelda game.
3D games were really mind-blowing at the time so maybe a 3D game with a big adventure attached was so striking that the experience stuck with people.
>>343915164
It's not the best ever, but it's a damn good one that deserves it's praise.
>>343915164
It was a revolutionary masterpiece that changed the way we think about games and how we play. It influenced entire genres such as action/adventure, RPG's, and fishing game. The use of a fully interactive 3d open world environment has ultimately redefined gaming worlds, which basically every game these days tries to simulate.
>>343918993
This. On the other hand zelda and other games made me disappointed in games later on. It was so good it ruined other games for me. Still only play old games to this day
>>343919679
This is why it's considered one of the greatest games of all time.
People praise Nintendo for flawlessly bringing Mario into the 3D world and setting the standard for how 3D games should control.
OoT holds similar significance, except in the genre of action adventure games. Z-targeting being that mechanic that everyone ending up using that gen and is still often used today despite controllers having two analog sticks.
>>343919679
It's the Beatles of video games. You may or may not like it but every game you do like is because of this one.
>>343920327
Even if you consider 2 sticks now, even games like souls games use targeting.
>>343918993
>innovated not just the openworld genre
OoT isn't even a proper open world game, just pretends to be one by having a big field in the middle. Whether you're shitposting or not, OoTfags always pretend their game to be much more than it is.
>>343918993
Is this supposed to be satire of delusional OoT fanboys?
>>343920337
And what if I don't generally like 3D games, hmmm?
>>343920617
Then you're more of a nostalgiafag than people who oversell OoT.
I dont suppose anyone knows if there are any scans for the official strategy guide?
I had it way back and it had some interesting facts about development of the game.
>>343920337
This isn't really true at all. The Beatles mostly followed trends of the time, rather than starting them.
Played and loved it as a kid,teen and adult the game is goat and one of the only games im able to pick up and enjoy each time I play it...it showed what a proper 3d game should look like back then and still holds up today now go back to being a cuck Arin
>>343920486
Too bad everyone and their grandma references OoT as inspiration for their game. Skyrim, RDR, Souls, dude the list goes on. You dont have to like SM65, OoT, or Nintendo in general. But theyre the backbone for vidya regardless. Same with shit like pong and pacman. Even though they didnt do their systems first, they were done with such grace and impact that they have literally created game series from their loins. Even though some of those games may be better, OoT and m64 are the cornerstone.
THAT...is the power....of True Innovation..
>>343920714
If you think the reason people complain about OoT fellatio is "lol its old", you deserve a boot up the arse.
it was revolutionary, mario was revolutionary, alttp was revolutionary. thats what counts.
>>343920752
Well, my point stands. It changed gaming forever.i never really listened to the beatles anyway
>>343920327
OoT was also the first game with a 24 hour real-time system, context-sensitive action button (yeah there was Resident Evil, but that only let you do one-time inputs, i.e. open door, climb ladder, etc.), and a mountable vehicle where the avatar actually interacts with the horse.
I can only imagine what it was like for Miyamoto and the other directors hoping all these compnents would come together in the end and make a good game.
>>343920835
>Skyrim, RDR, Souls
Joke's on you, I don't like either of those games. And the TES series goes back four years before OoT even got released and owes mainly to Ultima Underworld.
>>343921013
>24 hour real-time system
Ultima 5, probably something even earlier
>context-sensitive action button
This isn't a feature, but a console limitation
>mountable vehicle where the avatar actually interacts with the horse
What does this even mean? What mountable vehicle has the avatar not interact with the mount?
>>343921051
Not to mention King's Field was also heavily influenced by Ultima Underworld. Hell, you could very easily make the argument that Ultima Underworld made far more innovations for 3D games than OoT, and it did so in 1992.
>>343921013
Context sensitive inputs are a plague.
>>343921421
I could understand the Souls mention because it's a third person hack & slash with a pseudo-open world setting. King's Field might be its spiritual precursor but plays rather differently.
>>343921051
>hurr i dun liek gaems so dey dun cownt!
Dumb nigger. Like em or hate em, they all reference OoT. Directors producers and engineers all do. Your dumbass doesnt have to like em, but facts are facts.
Take your dumb nigger ass and go back to playing madden and shooting your gang friends, you cannot comprehend the subject matter at hand.
>>343921753
One of those series predates OoT and the other two are spiritual successors to games that predate OoT. To say that those games wouldn't exist if no Zelda is rather naive to say.
>>343920752
What about Sgt. Pepper's?
>>343920752
That's like saying lobotomy is a laudable psychiatric practice because it preceded actual sane treatment methods.
>>343922242
*meant for >>343920337
>>343917812
By selling the rights to Ubisoft.
BIG
EMPTY
FIELDS
>>343918993
I kind of want to gather up all the reviews of the time for OoT. And I don't even like the game.
Just for history's sake.
>>343922741
>>343915164
BEST GAME EVER
>>343922926
>>343915164
Majora's Mask was much better, and it's the best Zelda game to date.
>>343922065
Psychedelic Rock was already in full swing thanks to Frank Zappa, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, The Velvet Underground, and a lot of lesser known bands. The Beatles arguable made it more palpable for mainstream audiences but that's like saying the same for Halo or CoD for FPS.
I was almost a teen when i first played this shit
Everyone at my school wanted to play it
and some of the appeal was no one knew how to do anything no internet
so we went to each others houses to help each other out when one would struggle
my whole middleschool was obsessed with this and pokemon and games like FF7 and MGS
>>343915164
The reason there are any good modern games is because OoT innovated almost all of the mechanics in them. On top of that, it's still a game people with good taste would rather play over half the AAA releases these days.
>>343923418
First time zelda went 3d
lock on camera first time
biggest overworld in 3d in 1998
my friends sound like your friends the game was played till 2005
>>343915164
It isn't the best game ever, but it's still pretty good.
The music is absolutely phenomenal though.
>>343922926
>kahiri forest
What the fuck?
>>343923179
3d
Best zelda
get the fuck out
alttp is the best
LA second
3rd would be OOT and MM
4TH first zelda and 2nd zelda
5th would be ooa oos
6th would be windwaker
the rest is shit besides a couple
>>343923638
That's not so bad. Read this plot summary Nintendo Power published pre-release.
Zelda can't hold a candle to Undertale.
>>343923570
>biggest overworld in 3d in 1998
*on consoles.
>>343923907
Without nintendo or zelda
undertale would not exist scrub
BOI would not exist
I say BOI is better then modern zeldas but to say that this is better then the classics is fucking retarded
>>343923903
I like how some screens are from the release game and some from the alpha/beta stuff.
>>343924170
Alright show me a bigger 3D world in 1998
>>343924392
Daggerfall.
>>343915706
I liked both TP and MM over OoT, but it's still great.
>>343924296
>What'll Zelda 64 look like?
>FUCK IF WE KNOW HERE'S --EVERYTHING-- GET HYPED NERD
>>343915486
Summer /v/.
>>343924735
That is not entirely 3d it is more doom esque then full 3d
Show me a full 3d game in 1998 that is bigger
>>343924392
>>343924984
They never played it when it first came out so they do not understand
I was 27 or something when I first played it
pros:
>atmosphere
>characters
>open world
>music
>freedom to do shit with many possible approaches
>dungeons
>nice little locations / activities
cons
>stupid camera
>emptiness
I don't remember exactly what, but there was something weird about the combat system. Like the camera turn and lock on target button was the same or something and I ended up spinning around tapping buttons on many occasions thinking "why the fuck does it need to be the same button"
Not the best game ever, but not a disappointment after all the hype and praise. Will replay some time
>>343918993
>storytelling is arguably the best this medium has ever seen. It's the only video game with a story that's told 99% through gameplay (yeah, there's 45 minutes of cutscene but the game's replay value approaches 200 hours before you could get bored of finding new ways to beat the dungeons).
Is this the power of autism?
>>343925040
The map is fully 3D. Floors can overlap in dungeons and everything.
Also, Carmageddon 2 is from 1998 and every level is about the size of the plains in OoT.
>>343924810
ayy it's always the same, hype is hype and people would buy that mag in droves just for more zelda info
>>343925040
>Daggerfall was initially developed with an updated 2.5D raycast engine, like Doom's, but it was eventually dropped in favor of XnGine, one of the first truly 3D engines. Daggerfall realized a gameworld of 160,000 square km, filled with 15,000 towns and a population of 750,000
>>343920442
Hell, DmC got heavily criticized because it DIDN'T have manual targeting. Z-targeting was revolutionary for it's day, but now it's just a staple in games.
>>343925069
Dont you get the statement
Full 3D
>>343915164
i've finished it today and it's still a really good game
i understand if someone thinks it's the best game ever
>>343925173
If you were 27 then you would celebrate the combat system as the first time a game did that and set the standard
This is a neo kid acting like he is older then everyone else.
>>343925225
It is not fully 3d
Alot of the background is static and the enemies are 2d
I am still waiting for a bigger world of a completely 3d game in 1998
>>343922719
JUST
LIKE
REAL
WORLD
>>343915164
Objectively it's a very well made game.
It's just easy to compare it to modern games and shit on it. Let's just remember that this was made in a time where big action adventures in a large world were not at all common. The devs clearly tried hard in all the game's aspects, but yeah. at the end of the day, later games of the same type manage to do a lot of what OoT did, in a superior way.
In my opinion this will always be a really fun game, nothing about it makes it unplayable for me. Good sense of adventure, good music, good design choices and style, etc. It's all great but, it's also kind of a prototype at the same time. Let's just learn to respect it.
>>343925703
>Alot of the background is static
Fuck no, you can explore all of it
>the enemies are 2d
That's not what makes a 3D world 2D
>I am still waiting for a bigger world of a completely 3d game in 1998
Carmageddon 2
>>343915164
It's not even the best Zelda (Majoras Mask did everything better than OoT)
I'd say the best game of all time is either Chrono Trigger, Half-Life or Cave Story.
It's all up to your tastes.
>>343925703
That's not what "full 3d" means. Daggerfall's engine was a full 3d engine. Even SM64 and OoT still use 2d sprites for a lot of things. Like the bob-bombs.
>>343925591
This was the first time I played it and I didn't like it on occasions. Like when there's flying enemies and such. It's not fun when the combat's all "no. don't. I didn't mean to do th- TURN GODDAMMIT. "
>>343926459
Trees, Rupees (collect animation), Bombs, Seeds, Trees, Arrows
There's a lot of 2D sprites everywhere
Majora's Mask was better but OoT was pretty good.
I just replayed OoT and noticed how short the temples are. Even the water temple, it only took me near 45 minutes. Majora's Mask temples are longer, especially Stone Tower.
>>343924810
gib me dis pls
>>343926220
Still does not count.
I am saying everything is 3d
Z-targetting is just like aim-assist.
Not a merit of the game, but a flaw of the input system.
>>343927262
So not OoT then.
Final Fantasy 7 was the better game.
>>343922741
I don't understand why you would devote your time to something yo don't like. I knew a girl like this. She datamined everything about OoT, but didn't even like the game itself or ever play it. She just went through it on a Gameshark cataloging things from the debug to learn how it works, but she had no context about how the things all came together, so she was always surprised when I brought up the obvious.
To be honest though, I guess I can't blame her. /v/ is the same way but with story/lore. Everyone is so quick to miss the wood for the trees, that when someone posts something sensible, Poe's Law takes effect and they think it's fan-fiction.
But tell me, what's your interest?
>>343927181
can you stop forcing this meme already?
>>343927815
Never under any circumstances, and I mean, ever, voice your opinion on /v/ until you've played a non-PC game.
>>343927815
Only trees
the game is a majority of 3d
and you still have not given me a bigger overworld
>>343915486
Because it popular.
Because /v/ is full of contrarians
Because /v/ is full of speshul snowflakes convinced their opinion is the only one that matters.
It was a great game when it came out and it still holds its own. Posting something possitve about it here is just asking for the edgy mcveggies and underage kids to come out and shitpost.
>>343928169
Daggerfall.
>>343928229
I'm not surprised that you.
For the record. N64 can't display "2D sprites." Everything in Ocarina of Time has a 3D model, including the File Select menu. The "sprites" generated by the N64 are a technical illusion done so for creative or technical purposes. You think they couldn't model the characters in Mario Kart? They made them look like that because it was more expressive and looks better. Spoils in OOT are done that way because it saves the N64 processing power to have something with one facet.
Conversely Daggerfall is more of a 2D game. Neither the model or anything changes when you mount a horse. Only the camera. And as the other guy said, the background and enemies are static.
>>343915164
Its not even a good Zelda...
No. This is the best game ever.
>>343922741
>>343922926
>>343923084
>magazine gave MGS a 5/5 in the same issue.
>however, only Ocarina of Time got the stars in gold
Every time.
>>343921206
>Ultima 5
>real-time
I notice PC gamers are always quick to pick at the things OoT pioneered, by mentioning games that did them worse or as 2D games. Must be a hard life to have not played OoT in 1998 and still torment yourself after 18 years by telling yourself that games did what it did first.
Lol
>>343923570
big overworlds are cancer.
>>343924735
oh, the game with miles upon miles of empty procedurally generated fields?
>>343929378
Zelda isn't good.
it's literally babby's first rpg/adventure game.
it basically just watered everything down and pandered to children and retards. th-thanks, Nintendo.
>>343930970
>oh, the game with miles upon miles of empty procedurally generated fields?
Yes? The point still stands.
>>343929940
Yes
>>343916427
Yeah my 8 year old self got stuck here as well.
You're got to Death moutain and stop that Goran rolling around then pull the block behind where Goran chief was standing.
My first Zelda game was WW at the age of 13 (got a gamecube after ps2), then TP at the age of 15, which I both really liked, especially TP.
Then I played OOT at the age of 18 and thought it was easily better than both.
It's not the best game ever, but even as someone who was never a huge fan of it even in 1998, Nintendo pretty much did the best they could considering the N64 controller.
>>343931901
Are you still 8?
>>343915164
My first Zelda was Twilight Princess and I think it's the worst 3D game and only above the NES games overall.
>>343930420
I've never played Ultima V so I can't comment on that, but there are plenty of games with real life day night cycles before OoT. The aforementioned Daggerfall being one of them.
>>343935002
real *time.
>>343918993
the story is so fucking simplistic though.
>>343915340
Good thing nobody cares what you think
>>343935495
>still discussed on /v/, vg/, and /vr/ every single day
>simplistic
There are not even games from this gen that can claim that.
>>343936447
Undertale :^)
