Why is the best RPG of the past decade an Indie wRPG?
>>343892447
well if you don't care about writing, story, lore, characters, atmosphere, companions, good voice acting, the choices, seriousness and only want to kill stuff then yes, dos is the best for you and people like you
>>343893685
>writing, story, lore, characters, atmosphere, companions
Which was all pretty shitty in poe.
>>343893904
and even more shit in dos
>>343892447
Because it's fun and has one of the best rpg combat systems ever that literally dares you to cheese it as much as possible and still makes the game challenging
>>343892447
>>343893685
>>343893904
>>343894021
>YOU CANT LIKE MULTIPLE GAMES
You're all faggots.
>>343894021
They are a good bakground in D:OS because the gameplay is its main appeal. PoE tried to build the whole game on the story and lore and failed because those things just weren't good enough. There's a reason most RPGs take existing settings as a base.
>>343893685
Literally none of those are important dor RPGs. Funny how you didn't mention systems even once.
>>343892447
>>343893685
>neither have good story based choices
Both are shit RPGs
Fun games though
>>343894348
>>343894404
If you can create any character you want and make him go through a set story that you can't change it's still roleplaying. If you do the opposite, it isn't.
>>343894576
And you lose literally nothing if you just read a novel that comes with it. Your point?
>>343894576
Planescape Torment is a bad RPG with a good story. Very overrated.
>>343894773
I cannot change the story while reading a novel
your point?
>>343892447
>>343893685
>Can't lay pipe in either
What's the point?
>>343894680
RPGs are about story based choices, nothing more nothing else.
>>343894789
do combat is the most important thing in role playing games?
>>343894830
Terrible bait
>>343894892
Systems are the most important thing which extend to more than just combat. Planescape has shit systems.
>>343892447
>DOS
>RPG
>literally two choices
>>343894892
Combat might as well not exist, I don't care. But there must be some functional systems in place, or else it's not a game.
>>343894823
>what is a choose your own adventure book
underage pls
>>343894972
system is the most important thing in a role playing game?
>>343892447
Youre right, underrail
>>343894969
I'm serious, tho.
>>343895054
Yes. Old p&p rpgs are literally just that.
>>343892447
Why not?
>>343895139
>I need to be able to be fuck an imaginary character for me to enjoy the game
Waifu fags are the worst
>>343895142
but we are talking about video games, not pan &paper expirience
video games are more than that
>>343892447
I really liked the Gothic vibe, was my first Tactic rpg. I hope for the part 2 on ps4.
>>343892447
>indie
Weak bait
>>343895287
>I really liked the Gothic vibe
>>343895357
It is though.
>>343895408
>comfy starting town
>enemies that don't scale with your level
he has a point
>>343895248
>Roleplaying game
>Can't play a role if it involves sexual topics
Nah nigga
>>343895054
Yes. They are the framework for everything else like quests, combat, and storytelling. You can have a good RPG with no story but you can't have a good RPG with shitty systems.
>>343895250
It is, but the role of DM is overtaken by the writing and story, the props are environments and all systems are very simplified for budget reasons. Video games are the lesser version of p&p in a way.
>>343895594
That was i feel playing the game, i hate the scaling thing. Also the quest are no handholding.
>>343892447
>wRPG
This isn't a thing
>>343895950
He probably meant to say cRPG.
>>343895649
Yes but why does EVERY story have to involve sex? I'm not opposed to it, but some people feel the need to insert it into every fucking story possible.
>>343895594
That's fucking standard in every decent RPG that's not an american AAA handholdy level scaled theme park ride.
The games have nothing in common.
>>343896042
They are immature and sex is a big part of their lives.
>>343894875
I disagree. I consider RPGs to be about character building, party customization, and good old fashioned loot whoring.
Have you ever cracked open a D&D manual?
>>343896157
no, they wish it was.
>>343895658
but dos have a terrible story and writing despite having a good system while torment is considered as best rpg of all time by many
It's all about your personal taste in the end
some people like to interact with great memorable characters, solve mysteries and make difficult choices
others want to kill monsters
and it's ok i guess
>>343895357
>It's only indie if the employees are nu-male skeletal Americans with shitty beard
>>343895713
then play p&p and leave video games alone
>>343893685
>writing, story, lore, characters, atmosphere, companions, good voice acting, the choices, seriousness
If you are trying to imply that anything in that list is good in poe just neck yourself.
>>343892447
It's not.
Underrail does pretty much everything aside from visuals better.
It's even better gameplay-wise as DoS gets really old when you try all elemental combinations.
>>343896624
this guy is worth more than the entire original sin experience
>>343896164
Yes, 5e has several sections dedicated to the RP aspect with a slewof mechanics devoted to it; barring DnD, pretty much every ORE system ties progression to role-playing. WoD and its derivatives, similarly, is all about the narrative and the players as characters rather than vehicles for just combat or looting.
>>343896872
>yet another insanely boring infodump companion that only differs from others thanks to his raging hardon towards his goddess
yawn
>>343896872
>roleplaying a haughty aristocrat
>guy calls me a whore, so I tell him to fuck off, then never speak to him again
>a month later I learn how great a character he was and how much I missed out
>>343896789
This, Underrail is a modern cRPG masterpiece on par with some of the greatest classics like Arcanum or Fallout.
>>343897207
>roleplaying a haughty aristocrat
elf cipher/mage?
>>343897347
UR is the exact opposite of those games. Their design philosophy is nothing alike.
>>343896789
Even though divinity is more graphically intense, underrail looks better honestly
Its got great artstyle, lighting effects, and color
>>343896872
His combat abilites were just the frosting on the cake too
>>343897576
This
>>343896789
>>343897347
I just like tactical RPGs better than those kind. I've played all games mentioned and although games like Underrail and Arcanum give you an excellent RPG experience. The combat is always less interesting than a tactical RPG game like D:OS or Expeditions: Conquistador.
I don't understand how Arcanum can be so praised too when it has some of the worst combat. Especially on /v/ where people shit on Witcher 3 for having the "worst combat" in an RPG.
>>343896872
He just speaks gibberish.
>>343893685
pillars are bad in all the aspects you mentioned
boring as fuck
>>343897881
Underrail has a better tactical element than DoS and immense fuckton of cool builds and synergies.
>>343897881
>I don't understand how Arcanum can be so praised too when it has some of the worst combat. Especially on /v/ where people shit on Witcher 3 for having the "worst combat" in an RPG.
because witcher 3 is an action rpg while arcanum is not
>>343896164
Those are more applicable to dungeon crawlers. I still think PS:T is even more of an RPG than Neverwinter or Diablo 2.
>>343898149
underrrail is too deep for him, he wants flashy graphics and quirky jokes
>>343892447
Combat is alright and the two hero thing was cool but it's disappointing how shitty the story is
>>343898149
Its not even a party based game. That takes away so much of the tactical experience.
>>343892447
undertale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgWXr3S5-Q
>>343898278
I used to think that, but I've gotten so disenchanted by the poor writing quality of all RPGs that I just try to look on the mechanical side of things.
>>343892447
>Indie
Larian is a professional studio with a long history in the genre. They do not publish tripple A titles but they're far from being indie. There was also a lot of other money invested in the game - not just the 1 million from Kikestarter.
>>343897576
I didn't compare it to those games, I said it has about the same value.
>>343898576
They don't have a publisher thus they are indie.
Did Wasteland 2 ended up being good? I've heard pretty bad shit like the combat being awful and the that the game only becomes kinda good after 20+ hours of in. Also what the fuck happened to Torment: Tides of Numenera?
>>343898338
Because games like Baldur's Gate have so much tactical depth right?
>>343898338
>AP pool allowing you to do multiple actions per turn
>items that further increase it
>ability combinations that reduce AP usage like Thermodynamicity feat that halves AP usage for next fire psi when you use ice one and vice versa
>valuable and varied crowd control options
Nah. It shits all over DoS tactics-wise.
>>343898496
oh boy it's a special little snowflake bookworm episode
why bother with rpg's anyway? stick to the jagged alliance and homm 3 type of games if you want decent mechanics
>>343898338
Somewhat. Youve still got traps, grenades, positioning, movement, psi powers, status effects, and a variety of weapons to accomplish things
But yes it would have been more tactical with a party
>>343898816
Because RPGs have great mechanics. Divinity: OS and Underrail had shit writing, but they had amazing character optimization opportunities.
how do you guys rate deus ex as a RPG
>>343898920
>Underrail had shit writing
I won't say it was great, but I sure wouldnt say it was shit
>>343898920
>Underrail had shit writing
you take that back nigga, it has one of the best written quests i've seen in rpgs in quite a while
like that rape dungeon one or entire Oculus questline
>>343898694
wasteland 2 is a waste
terrible easy combat, terrible artstyle, boring story
tides of numenera will launch in 2017 2017
there's a beta version right now, torrent it and see for yourself
already miles better than wasteland 2
>>343899008
Poor balance but overall an excellent attempt of combining rpg mechanics with the fps genre.
>>343898694
Tides of numeria is still going, theyve got a beta out and are almost finishing up. Theyre just polishing the game world and story now
I also heard wasteland 2 sucked
>>343898689
What are investors and creditors?
>>343892447
It probably is, but to be honest it's basically had no real competition. You can't brag about being first in a race when you were the only person in the race.
>>343899008
i don't, it's a godly stealth action with very limited rpg elements
>>343892447
Underrail>poe>shadowrun dragonfall>d:os
>>343898920
>Because RPGs have great mechanics
other genres have even bettter mechanics without all that terrible video game writing you cannot stand
>>343896114
It was standard, a long time ago.
These days almost every RPG ever has some form of level scaling on top of making your level the only stat that means shit.
>>343899279
i'm ok with this
>>343893685
Pillars of Eternity is actually underrated. There's so much whining about this game I was pleasantly surprised. Maybe it was all the Bioware kids who couldn't adjust to a slower game anymore.
>>343898694
W2 is very fucking terrible. Awful weapon balance, some of the stupidest, ill-conceived character building out there, finicky and unintuitive quests, and hideous unoptimized graphics.
>>343899097
>>343899119
Shame, I really liked the first one. Does Tides of Numenera look better than what Wasteland 2 ended up being?
Also, haven't seen too many people hyped about the new Bard's tale but I really hope they end up delivering a good product, I like what I've read so far but you can never trust a Kickstarter project until you've seen the actual game running.
But that's not Legend of Grimrock
>>343899462
It's literally a shoddy imitation of Bioware's most famous game though.
>>343899279
Underrail>Xulima>Dragonfall>DoS>HK>PoE>SiS
>>343899313
Most games aren't nearly as mechanically inclined or build-focused. I enjoy less action-y games.
>>343899462
>Pillars of Eternity is actually underrated.
this
>Maybe it was all the Bioware kids who couldn't adjust to a slower game anymore.
no, that's just angry rpg codex posters
>>343899569
It feels very much like Icewind Dale to me with better role-playing. A great game.
>>343899540
It's a dungeon crawler first and foremost.
>>343899540
Grimrock is good but combat could be improved. (Haven't played the second one yet)
>>343898278
>>343899690
Dungeon crawlers are RPGs. Definitions don't magically change just because games have gotten shittier.
>>343899676
Well, I don't know man. They call it "boring" and "walls of text". It's like the Call of Duty kids we made fun of with shooped screenshots actually did try the game.
>>343899506
Bard's Tale IV is being build with Unreal 4 so maybe it won't look as bad like Unity dogshit.
>>343899969
Should I play the classic Bard's Tale that came with the game on Steam if I played the 2004 one and loved it?
Does the entire series live off making fun of cliches?
>>343892447
The only reason I like Divinity more than PoE is because the game doesn't hold your hand at all.
I can't count how many times I've had to whip out a guide because I'm stuck at certain part due to my own stupidity, like not being able to find a switch on a wall.
>>343899620
try civilisation and grand strategy games
>>343899569
it's the exact opposite
people who hate poe the most are the ones who love bg games more than anything
they hate poe just because it's not a 1:1 bg clone
it's not unbalanced, mages are not unstoppable, you can't romance cute gurls, it's not your typical cliche good vs bad d&d nonsense etc.
>>343899679
You're the kind of people who enjoy waves after waves of trash mobs and shit combats?
>>343900208
Baldur's Gate has no romances. Only 2 does.
>>343899617
I didn't like the balancing in Xulima
You had to always clear every area entirely or otherwise you'd run into walls all the time
Also, why even have an encounter strength indicator if everything above "normal" might just as well say "impossible"?
Pretty good game if you follow the exact sequence the devs intended you to follow though
Am I the only one who liked Wasteland 2? I think a lot of people were expecting XCOM tier combat and didn't like what it ended up being.
>>343900213
Lots of RPGs are basically nothing but combat, dude. At least PoE has somewhat more interesting mechanics than BG.
>>343900208
I don't like the scale of grand strategy. RPGs are more character and party focused.
>>343899617what's SiS?
> PoE
> one good song
> Divinity: OS
> my ears: aahhh~ stop I don't want to cum anymoreeee!
>>343900159
The older games are more like Wizardry but they're good if you can tolerate the old interface and the like.
>>343900401
>Lots of RPGs are basically nothing but combat, dude
That's a problem when the combat is garbage
>>343899918
PoE's entire lore is disgustingly generic and boring. Instead of trying to make you interested in a world it throws enormous, boring, horribly written infodumps at you every time you are trying to talk with anyone. You sound like a shitty newfag who never played in any decent RPGs.
Can I play a lesbian in Divinity? I like wish fulfillment fantasies but bioware games are too hideous for it.
>>343899462
More like baldurs gate nostalgia goggles
>>343900463
RIP in peace Divinity artist.
>>343900463
>Pokrovsky died a year ago
>>343899918
trust me, all the hate is coming from the rpg codex
it's all started with this review http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9867
where they basically calling it one of the worst crpgs of all time
>>343900370
It gets good after a while but it's really unpolished. Haven't played the Director's cut yet though.
>>343900463
is the music as good as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRzvLrriF1E ?
Also, stop being a fucking faggot m8
>>343899506
Tides looks interesting at least
If the exploration and setting are cool, itll be good in my book, but who knows what the story and combat will turn out to be
>>343900273
no one cares about bg 1, bg 2 is the real deal
>>343899617
I can't get over how much xulima looks like a shitty ios game
>>343900453
Serpent in the Staglands? Not a perfect game but pretty underrated imo
>>343900347
I liked Xulima exactly because it involved a good deal of minmaxing and preparation for serious threats. Though broken classes like thieves with their shuriken bleed stack or arcane warriors with their elemental DoT allowed to take on some pretty strong opponents on lower levels.
>>343900453
Serpent in Staglands.
>>343893685
DUDE KICKSTARTER OC CHARACTERS LMAO
>>343900859
I felt the same about Xulima but it's honestly not that bad
Their UI design definitely seems to shout "OPTIMIZED FOR TOUCH!" but it's fine
>>343900773
BG1 is an excellent adventure without any shit that heavily weighted the second game down like retarded chapter pacing or horrible romances.
>>343899617
>Xulima
>>343900681
They hateboner this game hard but praise every new kickstarter that shows up. What a fucking circlejerk
>>343899617
Also should probably include Grimrock 2 somewhere near Underrail level.
>>343899617
Seldom do I reject a game solely on art direction, but Xulima is hideous.
>>343900578
and you sound like a nostalgia elitist who can't enjoy anything new anymore
>>343901076
Looks sweet. Is it phase based or turn based?
>>343898576
Anon, indie just means independent. Term took negative connotations over time.
>>343900681
>rpg codex boogeyman
i've never even visited that shit site yet i adore how all poe defenders are trying to derail every discussion about that shit game after they get blown the fuck out
>>343900696
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18i_g9knULM
my favorites are 9:00, 15:24, 5:03, 27:23
I know a lot of these are just remixes from previous songs, but they're still really god damn good
>>343901094
they only praise small unknow indie kickstarters, obsidian is way to big and popular to be praised by them
>>343900917
Yeah I shouldn't have said the difficulty is what annoys me, it's the railroading via spikes in enemy level, basically
An example that I remember pretty clearly: the first prince is in a castle you have to get to, and the devs put impossible encounters with the prince's soldiers all along the road, so you have to circumvent those and run through every forest area on the entire map
And you simply cannot go anywhere else because everything else is walled off with high level enemies
Another example: that giant field of mushrooms that solely exists to have a "walking puzzle" so to speak which you can easily mop up once you get to a higher level
>>343901172
That sounds cute because main PoE's problem is that it tries to copy a 20 years old game yet does EVERYTHING worse.
Who hyped for tyranny?
>>343899097
I have a feeling Numenera will disappoint a lot of people who just want a CRPG in a strange setting. Beta is already clearly showing it's going to be a walls of text kind of game by design.
>>343901276
>i've never even visited that shit site
suuure
>>343901354
I'm glad the Obsidian meme is slowly dying out. KOTOR and NWN2 are overrated meme games.
>>343901276
>after they get blown the fuck out
by what? other people subjective opinions?
Which new crpg titles have been released since 2012 that are actually kinda good?
>>343901173
turn-based means you character gets a turn and then you determine what he does, instead of deciding all actions of all characters at the start, right?
if so, it's turn-based
note how it's the guy with the shouting portrait's turn and he's selecting his action
>>343901580
grimrock 2
>>343901448
Sawyer is not involved so it may at least not end as an overbalanced mess.
>>343901580
does the English release of Inquisitor count? that was late 2012 or early 2013 IIRC
Otherwise, just read the thread
>>343901395
>is that it tries to copy a 20 years old
it's not
>>343900578
>PoE's entire lore is disgustingly generic and boring.
It's not even that as much as lore exposition is poorly paced. Lore is rather interesting because it goes into nationalism and cultural differences, but like you said Obsidian felt like drowning the player in it from the get-go. Not to mention most of it wasn't really well written and was either very expository or fancy filler. We later found out from a developer they literally used the first draft of the script because there was no time for rewrites.
I think Codex has a much bigger problem with Josh "Balance Man" Sawyer and how he designed the game mechanically.
>>343901501
those are not even the best obsidian games son, hate motb if you want to act cool
also kotor was made by bioware
how is Hard West? negative reviews are complaining about it resetting everything between chapters, which sounds kinda silly for an RPG
>>343901857
I meant both KOTOR games and the entirety of NWN2
>>343901692
I was so disappointed to see Grimrock 2 flop for no real reason. When it came down to it a TON of people tried the original game because that kind of RPG hasn't been around for a while and I assume most didn't like it. Banner Saga 2 also apparently saw abysmal sales compered to the first one.
>>343901452
>I have a feeling Numenera will disappoint a lot of people who just want a CRPG in a strange setting.
numenera is very strange indeed but it's still a torment game so people who want to kill stuff will be disappoint
>>343901952
why both kotor games when the first one is not even an obsidian game son?
>>343901968
Wait what? I thought Banner Saga was a VN
>>343901843
>they literally used the first draft of the script because there was no time for rewrites
AHAHAHAHA
Seriously?
Honestly given how boring it ended up being i won't be surprised.
Sawyer is a huge problem but i don't see how bashing his retarded balance edits forcing you to respec after each patch is connected to some god forsaken site.
>>343902074
both are overrated
>>343902150
Whoa, look at this badass over here
>>343901580
I personally think that SR: Dragonfall is the best one in recent times
>>343898576
>they do not publish triple A titles
Larian's first three Divinity games were all AAA. Even if they phoned in Beyond. It's not like AAA is a guarantee for quality.
>>343902139
codex is by far the loudest one in criticizing the mechanics because, I don't know honestly. most of the reviewers or sites that covered the game seem to be unwilling to even think about the mechanics beyond surface level.
>>343902150
first kotor is not even that popular son
don't forget about fallout new vegas and fallout 3
fallout 3 was made by bethesda while new vegas is obsidian creation
just letting you know
>>343902218
Too short
>>343900859
>Serpent in the Staglands? Not a perfect game but pretty underrated imo
I'm looking forward to the next game Cooper Dreams. Don't remember when was the last time RPG people got organized so quickly to get a project funded.
>>343900696
Fuck, mate. Now I want to play Div2 again. I want to fly around the Fjords.
>>343902218
I like Hong Kong better outside of the complete lack of Nuyen. Racter is one of my favorite characters from anything.
>>343902498
fuck off to codex
>>343902498
The new combat system looks cool. They are also very articulate in interviews. I have high hopes for Cooper Dreams.
>>343902292
I disagree
DD, BD, and D2 did not have a large enough budget to be considered AAA and weren't marketed like AAA either
>>343902513
>I want to fly around the Fjordsyou're now remembering anti-dragon zones
>>343902591
Why is Cooper dreaming?
>>343902498
I'm slightly annoyed by their silence though. They haven't had an update since they got funded. Yeah, I know they are working on that side-mission for alpha testing, but still.
>>343902571
Hong Kong essentially forces you to fuck around and listen to NPC life stories if you want the best ending and for hub to not feel completely lifeless so after every story mission you gotta do the rounds and talk to everyone. Thing is, 90% of them are poorly written shit.
>>343892447
Literally no one talks about No Truce With The Furies. I can see a lot of will be had with the title if devs don't fuck it up.
>>343902897
I disagree, but OK. I haven't seen any plot holes and the grammar is good so I don't see how the writing is bad.
>>343902640
>you're now remembering anti-dragon zones
Yeah. And with that now I also remember the nests that keep spawning those monstrosities, one you can't even reach until you get rid of the anti-dragon zone, fucking ballistic towers, on the ground goblin mages literally everywhere, and black ring soldiers everywhere else.
...I should find a save file in which I already cleared up the place.
>>343903198
>goblin mages literally everywhere, and black ring soldiers everywhere else
Those aren't a problem at all
Only played the game last year, I cleared the entire map just spamming magic missiles, guess I leveled up often enough after Broken Valley that combat just became a joke
>>343903057
read this as No Truce With The Furries, i need to get some sleep
![[dead inside].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JBjRWrj.jpg "[dead inside].jpg")
>>343903097
It's poorly written because it felt like filler. Oh yeah, I totally cared about the family of trolls running the bar, or MEMES program merchant kid or that edgy monk dude. I think literally the only characters I gave a damn about were Reliable Matthew and Ten-Armed Ambrose, the doctor.
>>343902139
Those balance edits don't bother me because I bought it only after all the expansions were out.
>>343903057
There is not much to talk about for now. I don't like the art direction, but the sense system sounds very damn interesting.
>I can see a lot of will be had with the title if devs don't fuck it up
I don't know. AoD gets shat on because of its CYOA-ness quite often, and this game doesn't even have combat.
Someone give me a fun party composition for Expeditions: Conquistador
Should I just throw an entire team of racists together
>>343903419
I dunno, I cared about them. And I haven't seen anything stupid like Eiger immediately blaming the PC for Monika's death with no evidence and no one calling her out on her bullshit.
>>343903669
>no one calling her out on her bullshit
everyone called her out on her bullshit especially Dietrich
>>343903419
>Reliable Matthew
jesus christ. is there a good resolution to his story? when youget the real him out and he's totally resignedI stopped for like five minutes.
>>343903331
I played pure melee, so getting close to them was already hard enough. When the terrain allowed for it I usually had to rely on, let's say "strategic" use of dragon form. But at least dropping into the middle of an enemy base, hacking down a few guys, and running for my life until I find a suitable ledge to throw myself off and turn back into a dragon was pretty exhilarating.
>>343903669
Fucking everyone jumped to the PCs defense though?
Also, her friend and leader just died after being in the care of a newcomer who Eiger wasn't certain about, cut her some slack
>>343903778
Dietrich is a god damn great character.
>>343903936
I'm never going to, especially since the rest of the team was right next to the PC when Monika died and she didn't pay any attention to them.
>>343903875
I see your problem then. Well, if you like stupidly broken builds in your RPGs, you should go mage next time (I hear archer is also quite good). It's pretty much exactly as OP as it was in Divine Divinity
>>343894892
the big problem with PS:T isn't that combat is bad, it's that there isn't any real reason to build your character anyway other than 18 wis, 17 int, 13 cha, 9 str/dex/con because combat doesn't matter. Instead of each stat having legitimately different benefits that allow for multiple playthroughs, wisdom and intelligence are the only stats that even matter.
>>343905271
>it's that there isn't any real reason to build your character anyway other than 18 wis, 17 int, 13 cha, 9 str/dex/con because combat doesn't matter.
welcome to a d&d world, also premade mc
orment isn't really about replayability, it's all about unique first impressions
>>343904267
I might try that. I played a survivor with some magic in Divine, and never for a second regretted not attempting melee.
Melee gets quite good later on if you focus on some passives such as life leech. Maybe even some of the special melee attacks are good, I don't know. I realized too late that melee in this game is more "press button, watch fancy animation of you killing shit, wait for cooldown, repeat" instead of some proper combat. So I guess I made life much harder for myself because I refused to use any of that and leveled only jump attack and passives.
Also, now I remember that fucking bug too that would make an enemy almost completely unkillable. For a long time I thought that was intended. Wasted so much time with that shit. Too bad I don't remember what triggered it, or what fixed it. Div2 had some weird shit going on with the combat at times. Man, was it a buggy game.
I've never played a cRPG before, what's a good game to start with?
I was going to try Pillars of Eternity because the gameplay looks very strategic, is that not the case? What exactly is wrong with it?
>>343906070
There are problems with it, but if its your first cRPG, don't worry about it. It's about as new player friendly as it gets, so you might as well start there. And if you do notice those problems, just drop it and move on to something else.
>>343905867
>I played a survivor with some magic in Divine, and never for a second regretted not attempting melee.
The tutorial dungeon might very well be actually impossible to complete if you have no ranged option at all.
>>343893685
>writing, story, lore, characters, atmosphere, companions
Yeah, that's all tremendously improved by the addition of special snowflake backers.
>>343895357
>Larian
>not independent
>>343906742
>immediately hear lalalaLARIAN
>>343906428
>first level
>hey, this is a pretty cool tutorial dungeon, nice secrets and all
>second level
>man, they were not joking about the difficulty when I picked hard, I'm almost completely out of resources and holy fuck that skeleton lord, but I'm sure it'll be over soon, this is just the tutorial after a--
>third level
>FUCK SKELETONS WHEN WILL IT FINALLY END
>fourth level
>I swear to god if it's not the final level I'm going to uninstall this game
>fifth level
>this has to be a sick joke
>are you having a giggle, Larian?
>sixth level secret rooms with elemental skeleton lords
Nope. Never fucking again. I was about ready to get branded as a dirty casual if only that ends that nightmare.
>>343907570
Yeah I stopped playing the game for a few months because the bigger skeleton one-shot me no matter what I did
Then I rerolled as a mage and ran around laughing maniacally as I spammed Meteor Strikealso I still don't know how I was supposed to realize the weird skull demon faces on the walls next to doors are switches
>>343906613
Still going with that Tumblr angle even though it was completely unfounded? Goes to show people were biased against this game from the get-go, just looking for things to hate.
>>343907841
Good to know I'm not the only one who had to take a break after that skeleton. This is how I abandoned my plan of playing as a dickass backstabbing sneaky thief and turned into the best archer Aleroth ever seen.
Good thing arrows work on skeletons. I think I would have cried myself to sleep if not even that worked.
>>343907841
>also I still don't know how I was supposed to realize the weird skull demon faces on the walls next to doors are switches
Press highlight?
>>343908642
I didn't mind skeleton dungeon but dropped the game later when I couldn't get past the troll king.
>>343908902
Wall switches aren't highlighted, only items are
>>343898338
I thought so too at first- I couldn't believe it, but Underrail REALLY manages to do single-character combat well.
You have so many abilities and choices at your disposal at any given round, it almost becomes like an action movie. Think John Wick.
>>343892447
I pirated this and still felt disappointed.
>>343901968
Grimrock 2 flopped? Everybody said they loved it mire than the first
Not surprised about banner saga. Beat the first one in a single sitting
Shadowrun Dragonfall > all
>>343908934
I don't remember that one causing me too much problems. But I had really good poison arrows by then. Although, I'm not sure. It's possible that I had to use the teleport pyramids.
>>343909170
>have to eat psi booster to do any fun stuff
doesn't look like a fun game
in all seriousness, how hard is it to make a viable build? I don't wanna play this game blind and realize I have fucked up my build and can't win against anything halfway through
>>343909703
Well, he could also just wait for his psi to regenerate naturally, but boosters are not exactly rare so he might as well make use of them.
>how hard is it to make a viable build?
Not that hard, but specialization is king.
Make sure to have a primary combat skill, and max the related attribute.
Plan ahead a bit, and check the requirements for feats that might interest you.
Pick 8 skills and stick with them until you know better.
That's pretty much it.
>>343892447
Which wRPG has the best, most tactical gameplay?
Why does everyone hate RTwP?
>>343910406
so common sense stuff is enough, got it
thanks m81
>>343910482
skyrim
>>343909170
Good variety of ways to handle things
Crowd control has to be the focus in a lot of fights too. Pretty cool
>>343910482
>Why does everyone hate RTwP?
Idk. I play a lot of rts so I love it
I'm new to RPGs. what are some good games for emulating? I don't have money so modern RPGs are not here
>>343911594
You'll only be able to emulate jRPGs, so wrong thread mate.
>>343892447
By what measure is this the best RPG?
Amounts of quips and puns per quest?
>>343911594
That's alright, but why do you want to emulate? Most of these are PC games. Unless you want Amiga rpgs. Which would be a respectable choice.
>>343911880
>>343911927
ok well then what are some good RPGs I can pirate? I have played fallout and other random shit but I haven't really indulged into RPGs.
>>343912438
How did you like Fallout? Also, are you okay with playing other classics or are you looking for something recent?
Either way you need to play FO2 if you haven't yet
>>343912438
Are you playing on a toaster?
If yes, try the original Deus Ex, that runs on anything.
>>343909703
Not hard at all - just don't go full retard.
If you wanna be COMPLETELY on the safe side, don't take any Social skills.
>>343912836
never finished fallout 3 or new vegas but I did have fun playing them. never played one or two but I'm probably gonna pirate them. playing new vegas right now off and on. only elder scroll I've played is skyrim, also haven't beaten it. didn't really like it that much. I could try morrowind and oblivion though. don't care if the game is modern or not. something with good combat would be great
>>343913241
i5 4460, 280x, 8gb ram. always knew about Deus ex, never played it. i'll look into it
I also was playing PoE but only made it to the second chapter after the prison place but I haven't played in a while. also my skill tree is fucking horrible by /vg/'s standards.
>>343913625
Well the usual approach is to get on Fallout 1 and 2, Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter Nights ASAP and then go from there
>>343913816
alright. thanks. I will definitely check those games out
>>343912438
Deus ex and vampire bloodlines are fun starters, but if you want a "true rpg experience" google some of the names in the thread
>>343914212
If you play NWN, don't touch the original campaign. Play the expansions and then move on to the user made modules, some of them are really good.
>>343894404
So to you a visual novel is more of an RPG than the Divinity games.
>>343914212
Just remember that these games are kind of garbage
that's not grimrock 2 though
>>343914906
idiots actually think those inifinity engine adventure games are any kind of benchmark for rpgs
>>343906070
Hey, because Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 have been taken offline by Beamdog, I suggest pirating and playing those. I started with PoE, and I did not have an enjoyable time. I'm playing through Baldur's Gate for the first time right now, and it is fantastic.
>>343892447
Larian isn't really indie at least not in the "1-5 guys in their basement eating ramen" sense, they're pretty much an AA dev.
>>343892447
>best RPG
that's not Witcher 2 or 3
>>343916402
They are their own publisher.
Thus, they are independent from traditional corporate publishers.
Indie.
>>343908192
that's why we backed 4 millions to sawyer's promises right?
cause we wanna hate it
is this game any good on PS4?
>>343916796
>CDPR is an indie studio
>>343918696
No they aren't
Their games are published by CDProjekt, CDProjekt Red is only the developer
>>343918945
Uh-huh
>>343918076
You didn't back anything or even buy it.
>>343919707
Nice try. I have the collector's edition box with the t-shirt and shit.
