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Is Witcher 3 the most breathtaking, beautiful game ever made?
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Is Witcher 3 the most breathtaking, beautiful game ever made?
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>>343868180
I would be happy if someone could prove you wrong, because I can't.
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>>343868180
>>343868256
Fallout 4 is clearly a prettier game.
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>he uses enhanced blizzard


Yes
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>>343868256
The Witcher 3 E3 Build.
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fuck you're self
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>>343868180

For an open world game - yes. Corridor/hub-based games like the upcoming Doos Ex: MD will probably look better.
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>>343868256

It is literally impossible to prove me wrong.
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>>343868180
The Witcher 3 looks weirdly horizontal, I've never actually played the game so don't take what I say for granted but it looks like there's hardly any verticality, as if the whole game is flat, kinda like Guild Wars 2.
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>>343868180

go to bed sonygger
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>>343868583

There's plenty of verticality in the game.
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>>343868180
Star wars battlefront looks better and it doesn't even need mods
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>>343868180
Witcher 3 is very beautiful. But sometimes I think modded Skyrim looks better.

I don't know exactly, I wish Witcher 3 had first-person mode so I could appreciate it's beauty more.
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>>343868612
Please don't, you're gonna make us look retarded.
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Skyrim can look pretty good when modded.
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>even inconsequential NPCs in the game look better than important characters in triple AAA games

BASED
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>>343868180
E3 2013 Witcher 3? Yeah.
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>>343868857
>>343868904

The lighting in Skyrim is absolute ass. Also Witcher 3's moving trees and grass, swaying with the wind, it's weather effects are just amazing in motion.
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>>343868773
download the freecam and you'll see it's 95% a flat land
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>>343868180
I was streaming it for my girl over skype for a full month.

Needless to say there were some parts of the game I just had to stop and stare at, the game is insanely beautiful and I don't think Uncharted 4 even comes close.
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>>343868180
That particular shot actually looks pretty terrible.
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When it came out, fully maxed out? Maybe.

Nowadays? Nah, most games are surpassing it in sheer graphical quality.

Overall, though, the animation, dialogue, voice work and everything? It's excellent. It's certainly one of the best, if not the best game of this generation.

I'm not even that crazy about it, not my preferred genre, but I can recognize who well it is made.
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>>343868180
It's beautiful. but hardly breathtaking, I find most of the environments boring and quite repetitive. Great weather effects, its just boring.
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:3
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>>343868612
saving this shit thread
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>>343868180
If the game wasn't held down by consolecucks. The render distance LOD is garbage
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>>343868815
Yeah Battlefront graphics are pretty much golden. Too bad the gameplay is god awful.
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>>343869083
ground texture is shit
so-so character model
cardboard grass
i dont know what happened to the skybox
trees swaying excessively (all of u calling this tech good, ever been outside?)
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>>343869260
>wiiu
why does the wii, a shitty nintendo console, get games that clearly should be on other platforms
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>>343869083
The swaying effect is way over the top.
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Find a flaw in this image.

You literally can't.
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>>343869221
the animations are actually pretty shitty
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>>343869310
>consolecucks
Hate to break it to you, but you'd need dual 980ti at launch to run the game any higher than it was.

The ability to run the game as it looked in promos doesn't exists even with SLI'd 1080s.
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>>343868180
it's not.
even the original is more beautiful AND enjoyable to play.
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MOUNTAIN IN BACKGROUND'S SHADOW VERSUS FOREGROUND SHADOWS LOOKS LIKE ASS

IT MAKES ZERO SENSE, GIVEN THE DIRECTION OF THE SUN'S RAYS

IT RUINS THE DAMN SCENE AND NOBODY FUCKING NOTICES.

Fuck.
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>>343869083
It's a shame TW3 doesn't have a properly working 1st person mode. Much more effective for the atmosphere, I think.
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>>343869087
so it's accurate with the location it takes place in then? that's good
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>>343868321
Go away Todd.
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>>343869452
Because money.

The same reason you aren't playing them.
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>>343869471
Triss is a very big flaw in that image.
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>>343869471
It's not real.
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>>343869732
of course it's good.
otherwise you'd constantly have to reload caouse of the retarded fall damage had it any sort of verticality.
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>>343868180
Witcher 3 is pretty good, but it's no Inquisition.
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>>343869794

Triss is the best girl in the game.
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>>343869983
>>>/tumblr/
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>>343869983
>>343870002

Just compare these face textures, DAI looks like fucking amateur drivel.
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>>343868180
>most beautiful
>grass isn't moving
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>>343871036

Because that's a static image, faggot.
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>>343869826
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>>343868180

bought this game last week. Started my first playthrough and I'm completely addicted. The story is absolutely amazing and I'm a huge fan of the crafting. Gwent is also really fun.
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>had this game and season pass since launch
>never been able to play it cause shit CPU cooler sets my pc on fire when i boot it up
>finally ordered a new cooler
>will be here tomorrow


can't stress enough how fucking excited i am to be honest family
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>>343873265

It is literally the greatest game ever made.
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>>343869676
you don't actually believe this, do you?
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>>343873390

I don't think I've been as immersed into a video game before since probably Morrowind
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Without a doubt desu senpai
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>>343868180
It most definitely is. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been to Toussaint.
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I don't know, man. Crysis 3 is still damn gorgeous.
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it really is a fantastic game

about 22 hours into the new expansion and have barely touched the main quest line

122 hours in total
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It's probably not the best from a technical point.

That being said, the world design, the amount of foliage, the sheer variety of locations and how everything comes together in the world is incredible.
Each area has a completely different and unique feel to it. It becomes even more apparent with B&W. I really thought Toussaint will just be Velen with more sun but after going back to fuck around in Velen and Skeliige you can see how different everything actually is.
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>>343869452

Because nintendo actually funds good developers unlike sony.
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>>343874035
Took me 182 hours just to beat vanilla, senpai. Another 20ish for HoS.
Currently on 229 hours and still barely touched the main quest in B&W
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>>343873995
DAM GORGEOUS IN THAT PIC AMIRITE?!?!
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I like The Witcher 3 but it's not an amazing looking game there are many many games that surpass it's graphical fidelity, that being said it's not shit or anything
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>>343874324
>Each area has a completely different and unique feel to it.

Exactly. Which is why I've become more fond of TW3's region-based open world compared to Skyrim's full open-world.
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The witcher 3 is the most detailed boring shit i've ever seen.
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>/v/ finally agrees on something unanimously

Wow... you done good OP. You done good.
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>>343874865
I don't know who you are, but I hate you already.
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>>343868321
You my friend, are dead wrong.
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>>343868612
i hope this is a fucking falseflag and you're not actually this retarded
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>>343875019
>/v/ agreeing on liking something

Just wait till the gameplay faggots show up in here.
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>>343868612
Is this supposed to look good?
The graphics on the wiiu look like garbage and the landscape is very plain. It's a console made for mario tier graphics.
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>>343869983
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Witcher 3 is stupid
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>>343875493
>gameplay is not important
go watch a shitty movie faggot
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>mfw content with the graphics of any of the games in this thread
>Would be fine with games not advancing graphically for several years in favour of all games running 60fps minimum.
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>>343875517
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>>343869983
in terms of pure aesthetics DAI is superior

also DAI modders have really good taste observed
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>>343873995

OPEN WORLD SURVIVAL GAME WHERE YOU GET HOOKS AND GRAPPLES AND CAN WALL JUMP AND DO CRAZY SHIT IN A WORLD THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS WHEN
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>>343874i917
I don't agree entirely.
Maybe it's just me but Skyrims regions genuinely felt different, obviously visually it's shit compared to W3, but Reach was unique from northern Skyrim and different from regions around Riften etc.
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>>343876080

How's the story? The only reason I play single player games is because of the story
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>>343869719
Do you realise how confusing that would be with all the damn spins and rolls Geralt does when fighting?
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>>343876080
DA:I aesthetics are unsurpassed.
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>>343868612
this is like some next gen level falseflagging holy shit...

he didn't even need to use a wojak pic
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>>343876104

the hack and slash combat in skyrim kind of gets repetitive to be honest. W3 is somewhat the same but I feel like I'm more in danger
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>>343868583

Very few games aren't fucking vertical. Games have been plagued with poorly formed, steep, impossible, wart-shaped video game mountains for two fucking decades, hardly anything has even begun to faithfully represent how flat the earth typically is and how actual elevated terrain formations truly look, because A. Devs are lazy, B. the scale needed is quite momentous, and C. some shitty engines require a fucking hill every 50 feet just so you notice the upper limit of the rendering distance.
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There is only one game more beautiful
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>>343876230
which film is this?
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>>343875195
steven seagall?
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The world looks great and the cutscenes all look great, especially in the expansions. The armor and weapons all have amazing textures (even if alot of the armor just looks like shit). all the motion capture sells it too

I dont see a lot of things topping it for quite some time
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>>343876691
You called?
https://youtu.be/mTT08xzcUKs
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>>343869471
She's wearing clothes.
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>>343873376
you're lucky i played it at launch and honestly they've made so many changes to the game, redone animations, redone inventory, books have their own section and you can read them on pickup without opening the menu now cd projekt really cares for their fans
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>>343875558
DROP THE AARD
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>>343868180
That looks horrible. Is this what PCkeks believe looks good these days?
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>>343868180
Yes.
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>>343876909
>Freezing Aard with alternative sign mode
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>>343875675
Same here, friend. Hell, even vanilla Skyrim graphics are okay with me. It'll reach a plateau eventually, if it hasn't already, and then they'll be forced to focus on something else because they simply won't be able to advance the graphics to any noticeable degree.
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>>343868180
it was your mom before she had you.
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It's really pretty. Too bad the battle system is fucking atrocious. You know, the game part of the video game.
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>>343875675

I have no idea how computers work: the post
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I want good looking outfits and armors lads. There's none in Velen
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PC version, yes. It's insane how good it looks considering it's an open world game. Overall, I'd say Uncharted 4 is the best looking game, but then again, 90% of the locations are tiny with a shit load of baked lighting and quality passes.
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IDK, it just doesn't look good to me. Like plastic or something. maybe it's the artstyle, but it doesn't look good to me. prefer witcher 2's aethetics every day
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>>343877456

Casual detected.
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>>343868180
>using fast travel in witcher 3
get a load of these casuals
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>>343877578

>says Witcher 3 looks plastic
>then says he prefers Witcher 2
>despite Witcher 3 having SSS and a shit ton of other proper effects
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i feel like the game look better at nihgt
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>>343876795
One word, cyberpunk.
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>>343868180
Looks worse than modded Skyrim
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>>343878673
...says no one ever.
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>not playing in ultrawide

You are missing out senpaitachi
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>>343868180
Well it's definitely the most boring.
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>>343878965
your life is boring lmoa
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>>343878965

t. nintendrone
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>>343868180
yes
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>>343868612
DELETE THIS
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>>343869471
Goddamn Triss' tits are nice.
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>tfw playing with e3fx 8.5 / STLM 2.2

probably turning all visual mods off when i get to toussaint though, seems to look best vanilla
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>>343874574
holy shit cringe
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>>343868321
>Fallout 4 CLEARLY prettier game.
>Fallout 4 CLEARLY prettier.
>Fallout 4 prettier
>Fallout 4
>Pretty.
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testing
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>>343879634
still on 1080p, huh? ;-)
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>>343869983
Absolutely disgusting.
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>>343868180
>generic European landscapes
>beautiful
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>>343879736
>generic European landscapes
>not beautiful

generic isn't a synonym for bad

also not generic anyway
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>>343879683
Ill upgrade my monitor after I buy a gtx1070 when prices drop
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>>343879692
Take it back. DAI is beautiful.
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>>343878867
I really am, that's gorgeous.

To contribute to the general thread, I'd say that Witcher 3 isn't THE prettiest game I've seen on a location-by-location basis. You zoom in and you're gonna find some low-res textures and some weird geometry. But in the massive scope of the game, being able to create a holistic vision of a world that makes sense and has a wide range of biomes and geography, it's absolutely stunning.
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>>343880012
Haha what the fuck, is he using leather polish as a beard softener?
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>>343879914
>not 490

;-)
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>>343880098
cat school gear just looks so faggy. ursine is most aesthetic
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>>343879683
i have a 980 and it tanks hard when you enter cities at 1440p
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>>343880126
>pootech
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>>343880202
Just started NG+, haven't reached Skellige yet
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>>343880103
>not sculpting your beard out of clay
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>>343868180
Haven't you heard OP, you're no longer allowed to like The Witcher 3 on /v/. It got too popular and now /v/ shits on it.
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>>343868180
Bloodborne has prettier urban areas and surreal imagery, and Witcher 3 has stronger wilderness areas and natural imagery.

>>343869221
don't post Peterhausen ever again.
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>>343880012
>So this.. is the power... of Bioware
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are these screenshots of the game with mods?
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>>343880328
Yen is so cute, like, gosh.
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>>343880358
ds3 is more diverse
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It's not even on Max/Ultra.
How these polacks do it? What kind of Vodka magic is this?
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>>343869916
Git gud
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blue tint: the game
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>>343868180
tch, windwaker looks better.
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>>343880485
w3 doesn't need mods, you peasant.
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>>343880558
And unfocused
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>>343868857
>modded [game] looks better
stop the presses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yC1EgshMM
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>>343879683
1440p is meme, have fun dropping settings to get 60fps
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>>343880627

>it's a Nintendrone gets mad at any kind of graphical fidelity episode
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>>343880394
what was up with that, anyway? Why did everyone in Inquisition always look fucking wet?
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>>343880394
seriously why cant bioware into hair? they've never been able to do it right, but they have no fucking excuse now to fuck it up that badly.

How does someone look at this shit which looks like its a removeable lego hairpiece and say "looks good to me, lets release this"
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>>343880583
Poland culture is that of hard work
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Rise of the tomb raider
Arkham knight
Uncharted 4
All more impressive games technically, Tomb raider is prove my the best
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>>343880394
Those faces are some low tier AA shit
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>>343868321
I like both games, but TW3 is a vastly superior made game in every way.

Here's Fallout 4. Im running it at 2.5k with about 15 mods including an ENB, 4k textures for ground, sky and trees, added grass etc etc
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>>343876160
>spins and rolls
you simple doesnt spin the camera. skyrim has a dodge roll. in 1st person it simply move the camera to the destination faster.
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>>343868913
looks better than every other female in the witcher games
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>>343868339
im at work so i can't post an image but tbqh mine in unmodded and looks FAR better. ficking 4k supersampling baby.
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>>343880394
>>343880012
holy fucking bad
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>>343868913
It's not even believable that those drunk peasants would harass her for being a nonhuman instead of trying to pound her cute little elf butt.
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>>343876830
Is this, dare I say, kinôgraphé?
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>>343880725
>>343880750
They were just showing off the shine effects of the Frostbite engine
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>>343868612
fuckin' lel
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>>343881026
>>343880394
>>343880012

what year is this game from?
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>>343880879
heres my unmodded W3
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>>343868913
Absolutely based
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>>343880879
you clearly need to level up your modding skil
too bad todd got rid of skills.
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>>343880394
>>343880012
this looks horrendous
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How do Succubus and Sirens reproduce if they're all females?
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>>343881078
what is the ingame time. I remember toussain to me much more yellow and saturated.
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Geralt has the third best beard in gaming.
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>>343879683
As if that affects your enjoyment of a game in any way, shape or form.
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>witcher 2 and 3 have better skill trees than skyrim and f4
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>>343881075
2014 game of the year
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To bad world itself is kinda dead. Like post game in GTA 5. Wasted opportunity
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>>343881008
Master of the punani
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>>343881231
>witcher 3
>trees
all the witcher game skill trees are bad. dividing alchemy/sword play/spells make them all detrimental to each other's development while in the actual game encourage you to use them all together.
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>>343881341
>>343881008
>tfw seagalposting died
A true shame.
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Does anyone have that one pic where the werid emo edgy guy talks about himself working at bioware and being responsible for rogue tutorial animations or something?
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Can't even post most of Crysis's max setting screenies...

Seeing all these pc Witcher screenies makes me regret buying the ps4 version. The graphics are mediocre at best on the ps4.
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>>343881383
Well I'm sorry to hear that.
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>>343880012
why does he look so fucking greasy
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>>343881389
Haven't seen that one

https://youtu.be/hMcVZQI6ybw
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>>343875493
just wait americunts. they are asleep.
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comfy
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>>343868180
Is starting with the witcher 3 a good idea is i've never played one before?

I'm switching from ps3 to PS4 and this game sounds great but is it worth it id i dont already know the story of the previous games?
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>>343880523
Objectively, yes, but she looks too much like my mom for me to be attracted to her.
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>>343882043
its better if u played wither 1 and 2 without a doubt, but if u start with witcher 3 its fine too, but i recommend u start with the 1st, same as in Mass Effect and Star Wars, better to start with the first in trilogy
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>>343880880
Well, it's not *exactly* a dodge roll, since you have to be in sneak mode first and you can only roll forward. It's meant more for sneaking quickly. But you're right, it does work in first person.
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>>343868180
>ps4 version
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>>343881168

Considering both are mythological sexual predators, you tell me.
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>>343881168
Who cares? They live to fuck, not have babies.
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>mfw still have to finish 2 before starting this

I like 2 but I want to get to the main event
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>>343882483

Look at the left side of the screen.
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>>343882483

>he thinks he can tell which version of a game it is just by looking at a screenshot
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I agree Witcher 3 is great, but for me most beautiful game has to be Red Dead Redemption. I am probably remembering it with nostalgia, and completely subjective, but visuals in that game make me feel weird in my belly. Like it's home or something. Yes, I am aware how retarded it sounds but I love it
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>>343882940
where u at in 2?
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>>343879683
Speaking as someone who's played on 1440p with a 980ti I'd take 1080p on a big tv any day. Looks so damn good on a tv actually.

4k is out of the question since there aren't any cards that could max the game at 60fps. Maybe the 1080 could? Haven't seen the benchmarks.
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>>343882043
You can enjoy the 3rd one without playing the previous ones, but it's much better if you know the story. And I don't see why not? The previous games were also great. The first witcher is a bit hard to get into due to strange fighting system, but it's awesome when you get used to it, and it's the comfiest one of the series. Witcher 2 is actually very similiar to Witcher 3, except it has more closed off locations and the plot is generally more densely packed. It's also pretty short because of that but due to a lot of meaningful choices it has a lot of replay value.

Also, if you want to actually fully understand the story, characters and what the hell is going on I definitely recommend you to read the books, they're good.
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>>343883171

Just arrived at Loc Muinne to talk to one of the kings
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>>343883337
No the same guy, but you're basicly at the end of the game, the Loc Muinne act is very short and after that there is only a short epilogue. You could probably complete it in few hours now
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>>343868180
Too bad there is no gameplay in this video game :^^^^^^^)
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>>343883256
>Looks so damn good on a tv actually
This. Witcher 3 is made for a TV. I played it on a "40 TV and it looked fantastic. Now I play it on my "24 monitor and it looks... okay. Because you can see that shitty AA, chopped foliage and wierd textures.
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>>343868180
Nah
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>>343882483
it's pc nigger
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>>343883256
1080 can only do about 40 fps on 4k at max settings in witcher.

1080 was made for 1440p60fps
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yeah i'd say its still the best looking game out there. it's also what another anon said, the first and so far only truly "next-gen" game. the expansion from W2 to W3 is insane.
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>>343868180
Arkham Knight looks nicer tbqh.
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I have the first two aswell, havent really played much of the first, should i put the time aside to play through 1 and 2 before 3?
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>>343883847
>posting a picture that's 60% black to prove anything about graphics
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>>343884837
absolutely. 3 does a really good job of making you feel like the previous games have led up to that point. couldnt go wrong reading the books too. its worth it, itll make it that much more satisfying and theres a lot of subtext youll understand better
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>>343878582
After Witcher the expectations for cyberpunk are ridiculously high. CDPR wouldn't be able to meet them unless it's the second coming of christ presented in a video game format.
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>>343868180
>mfw when the circlejerk is real
I don't come here often but damn
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>>343873103
That fucking mission.
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>>343873390
It's a good game, but let's not exaggerate.
It's been casualized as fuck and is pretty shallow.

There are much richer experiences in works produced before gaming went to shit in the late noughties.
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>>343875846
Even when it comes to LGBT characters the witchers did it better.
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>>343873265
How the fuck can you only buy this now, how casual can you get
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>>343869676
both graphics and gameplay made me want to slit my wrists in just 10 mins.
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>>343885607
>before gaming went to shit in the late noughties
Gaming went to shit in like, 2003, maybe 2005 at the latest
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>>343868612
>>343868773
Lacks details.
Monsters appearing out of nowhere after a fast travel or just long fall are really annoying.
Same with the objects popping in and having shitty ps1 tier low res textures for a few moments before the game manages to load the higher res ones.
>>343874574
>Sony has 4 of the Xeno series games
>Nintendo has 2
It took them quite a while to get there though.
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>>343885815
>Same with the objects popping in and having shitty ps1 tier low res textures for a few moments before the game manages to load the higher res ones.
NPCs in cities usually pop in in a really obvious way, I've never seen anything else pop in or have shitty textures that are being loaded, though. Maybe you should upgrade?
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>>343876230

its actually shocking just how god awful the team that does animations for bioware games are, how the FUCK are they this bad???
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>>343885773
Not really, a lot of cult games were released between 2003 and 2008.
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>>343881887

man i fucking love the colors in B&W
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>>343885975
not only that but won goty from several publications. I can only guess they were paid off by EA or were thrilled by the fact that you could be a faggot, because i dread the thought that anyone can unironically consider that pile of shit good
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>>343885952
>Maybe you should upgrade?
I can deal with that. Just saying it happens because that's not something you can see from still shots.
Still pretty great game.
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>>343868612
>nips in charge of creating environments that make sense

HURRR DINGADONG LET'S MAKE A BUNCH OF DUMBASS SWEEPING ROCKS THAT MAKE ZERO SENSE AND THEN PUT SOME GOOFY ASS CRYSTALS ON TOP OF THEM
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>>343869260

jesus christ my eyes, i cant remember the last time i saw something so completely ruined by lack of AA
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>>343868180
>the fog on those mountains

thanks for proving yourself wrong immediately
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>>343882483
What's wrong with ps4 version?
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>>343886383
'Goofy ass crystals' are not original part of the scenery and were explained during the story.
As for the rest of the design.
They made alien planet that felt like alien planet.
Not everything has to be photo realistic looking boring earth like stuff.
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>>343886270
>won goty from several publications
Still find that hilarious
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>>343886670
You didn't spent $1200 for TOP GAMING RIG and you can't run games at 183,8 FPS.
That makes it total shit.
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>>343886780

yeah everyone knows 720p / 60fps or 1080p / 30fps is where its at ;)
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>>343886687
it looks like shit desu, stop trying to explain away bad design
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>>343886571
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction

Stay in school, kiddo.
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>not wearing the manticore armor in the ending of B&W
its like u dont like pottery
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>>343886972
Thanks for you useless opinion.
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>>343868180
No, it's fucking ugly.

Okami is the king.
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>>343887124

>cell shading = best graphics ever

nice opinion you have there
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>>343868612
nobody even talk about sony and Witcher 3 looks best on PC. wtf are u smoking
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>>343887229
>ugly photorealistic downgraded shit with no identity = best graphics ever

Nicer than yours.
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>>343887328

>game has identity because it has cell shading and has japanese aesthetics

wow, an even nicer opinion, weeb!
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>>343887057
yeah my bad, i didnt mean to draw the autistic ire of someone who actually thinks xenoblade looks good
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>>343887425
Notice how in your butthurt you forgot to actually refute anything. You are done.
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>>343887001
>not being in NG+
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