>likes Metroid and hasn't found the secret message in Fusion
>likes Etrian Odyssey and hasn't beaten the Abyssal God
>likes Monster Hunter and doesn't have a 100% completed awards card
>likes Metal Slug and has't beaten X or 3 with no continues
>likes Souls and hasn't beaten a game with no deaths
>likes Killing Floor and hasn't solo'd hell on earth with fakedplayers 6
>likes Pokemon and hasn't won 200 matches in a row in the battle tower
>likes Touhou and hasn't cleared a game with no missprobably hasn't played a touhou
>likes CRPGs but hasn't solo cleared Baldur's Gate
>likes mount and blade but hasn't solo defended/assaulted a castle siege
>likes indie games but has never beaten La Mulana or looked up guides to beat it
>complains about games being casual but has never beaten Nethack, Brogue, or DC:SS
If you haven't done at least one thing on this list, why the fuck are you even here?
Defend yourself
>>343821119
>2hu
>be a faggot
If you haven't done at least one thing on this list then you're not op
>>343821339
So you're admitting that you're a fucking casual who doesn't actually play video games then?
>>343821483
whatever you say lad
Half of this shit is boring, pointless grinds. Shallow padding that nobody, even the spergs who do it, thinks is impressive.
>>343821819
Which one of these is a grind besides arguably monster hunter?
>>343822056
>arguably monster hunter
>arguably
How is getting the crowns anything but a grind anon? Enlighten me.
>>343822352
You have to be able to kill the monsters of course.
Now explain how at least 5 others are grinds
Permadeath is actually super fun. Souls games are great for it.
>>343821119
I've done all of these except beating La Mulana without guides. I got completely lost even after scouring the place with a notepad
>single player autismo self-challenge garbage
lol just lol
>>343822871
>>343822909
How does it feel to actually play games
>>343822909
La Mulana makes casuals of us all.
>>343823154
I got really close but I just got completely fucking stumped in the Gate of Illusion
Nothing seemed to make sense and I just wasnt progressing
>>343821119
I like the games, im not obsessed with them.
>>343823129
Pretty chill.
>>343822056
>solo clearing Baldur's Gate, a game where half the fun is your party
>solo M&B, a game about building up an army
>no death Souls is just an arbitrary in a game that doesn't warrant it and wasn't designed around it, might as well be one of those "no armor fists only hurr" fags
Making the game more of a grind for yourself - in a fucking single-player game, no less - is fucking embarrassing and pointless. Seriously consider suicide if you waste your time with shit like this.
I don't play faggy weeb shit you fucking gook sympathizer.
>>343824041
It's not a grind in Souls, it's just an excuse to boot up the game for a session.
>>343821119
>likes indie games but has never beaten La Mulana or looked up guides to beat it
This is true, I'm still inHell Templeand struggling.I still need to get into the Shrine of the Mother again, and I don't know how to. I'm just dicking around in Hell Temple because I was spoiled on how to get to it years ago.
>>343821119
Didn't the secret message in Fusion require some hilarious and second perfect use of the shine spark?
You forgot playing Ys games on the hardest difficulty without dying.
>likes souls games
These people should be range banned.
>>343821119
>likes Touhou
Said no one ever.
>>343821119
Just because someone likes something doesn't mean they have automatically cleared some exclusive challenge related to it. There is a period of time between finding you enjoy something, and playing it enough to get that good at it. Once you like something you don't gain exclusive mastery of the game, nor are you excluded from liking something just because you don't have the correct PSN achievement in your catalog.
>likes Touhou and hasn't played a touhou
>complains about games being casual but has never beaten Nethack, Brogue, or DC:SS
These, however, are valid.
>>343824452
>Didn't the secret message in Fusion require some hilarious and second perfect use of the shine spark?
Yes.
>>343821119
>>likes Pokemon and hasn't won 200 matches in a row in the battle tower
I can't be bothered to use some copypaste competitive team filled with shitty pokemon i hate.
>>343824041
Do you just play games to sit in imaginary day care for adults?
If you play a game enough, you have passion and interest in that game. Your skill will grow. Your understanding of the game will grow. You will eventually master the game and should naturally desire to challenge yourself or put your knowledge of that game to the test. Why are you content to just play a game casually and move on? To just jump from one theme park ride to another?
Don't you want to fiddle with the mechanics of a game? Learn about the development process and discover the insights of the creators? See yourself grow and come back to previous challenges and destroy them easily and appreciate your own progress in something?
If you haven't reached that point in even one game in your entire life, why are you here discussing games when you don't care about them? Just to call people who engage in their hobby autists for perusing an interest?
>>343821119
>Likes anything
>why are you even here
I'm sorry I thought this was /v/
>>343821119
I play video games for my own enjoyment and not to impress others
>likes indie games but has never beaten La Mulana or looked up guides to beat it
This is my shame. I gave up on the game.
>>343821119
Why does it matter if you like those games if you haven't done any of that stuff? If someone has fun with a game an likes it, I say that's good for them and I'm glad that they enjoy video games.
>>343821119
I beat Prinny on Hell's Finest which is probably harder than all the shit you listed, but Im not going to be an elitist fag about it
>>343821119
>beating Abyssal God
>either spend hours grinding up a ninja so you can abuse explosion or else die hundreds of times because RNG laughs at you
>doing BG solo when the party mechanics are my favourite part
oh boy i sure am glad i can 2hu because otherwise i'd have failed your arbitrarily retarded standards, thank god for that
>>343821119
My taste in games are so broad that aside from games I played when really young I don't do challenges like this anymore. I play the next game.
You do have a point that with those challenges. They prove that you have a genuine passion for the game in question. To answer the closest I got was Metal slug 3 with no continues I fail at that final mission when you go to space and that was years and years ago.
>>343824958
It wouldn't matter anyway, the Battle Tower literally cheats. Once you get past 50 wins you start running into teams that counter yours, full of legendaries and pseudo legendaries, and bright powder, king's rock and quick claw with 100% activation rate. It's beyond bullshit.
>>343825151
don't you want to play something different instead of sharpening your 'skills' in one game to the finest and brittlest point? wouldn't you rather have a wide range of experiences covering all genres instead of being super good at one thing and useless at everything else?
don't you want to see more of what a medium has to offer than the tiniest fucking fraction
>responding to bait seriously
sorry, onii-chan, my fingers are typing on their own
>>343825151
>caring this much about autistic single player shit
how about pursuing something of value instead
>>343821119
I just want to see someone from /v/ beat Abyssal God without cheesing it. Everyone's advice is to just trivialize it completely.
>>343821119
Does 100%- ing boktai 1 - 3, godhand and jak and daxter count? I do like some of the games listed in the op but haven't felt a drive to truly go all out for games since those 5 I mentioned came out
>>343826128
I spent a few hours butting my head against that wall, once you get him down to under 75% hp it becomes an utter RNG crapshoot of the highest order. Before that he does fire->ice->lightning party-wide attacks that will instakill anyone who isn't a hoplite/yggdroid, only way to counter is to use the corresponding hoplite elemental block skill.
Once he gets under 75% he does them in random order, sometimes twice in a row. It's pure guesswork and if you fuck up once everyone is dead.
>>343825904
But I do have a wide range of experiences because I've done everything on this list, and I've played a lot more games than these. Typically spend a few hours vidyaing most days, and all day vidyaing on weekends when I don't have plans. Spend half the time on the game I'm 'working on' and the other half trying out new shit or playing with friends. Been vidyaing since I was like 5 so it's not hard to play different shit, everyone here has probably played a fuck ton of games since they were kids. There's no excuse for playing games for 10, 20 years and not accomplishing ANYTHING of note in that time, it'd be a shame to play an instrument for 20 years and not be able to play a copmlex or challenging song or something similar.
I was actually hoping anons would give me similar challenges for games I hadn't played but everyone here is too busy making excuses for themselves.
>>343826128
Took me many tries and had to resub two of my guys. It's been a few years but I remembering using shogun/bucanner with gladiator/shogun warrior's might with the other party members buffing and protecting those 2. Not sure if that's considered a cheese strat, I actually don't know how other people pulled it off. I'm fairly certain that fight was designed to require the most powerful combinations of abilities you can think of.
>>343821119
I rarely do challenge runs in games. If I want to push myself I play fighting games.
>>343825807
1cc Metal Slug 3 is tough as hell, it's pretty impressive you even made it as far as you did.
>>343826128
Abyssal God is bullshit though. It's fun bullshit but still awful at the same time.
It's a uniquely infuriating but thrilling experience.
>likes Monster Hunter and doesn't have a 100% completed awards card
>Been thinking of doing this for X/Gen until I remembered that 80% of the quests are copy-pasted gathering quests or fight the same monster multiple times
Thanks Capcom.
>>343826614
I mentioned it above, but have you played the Ys series? Seems like it would be right up your ally.
>>343826614
>challenges
Don't flatter yourself, your challenges are either "100% a game" or "beat it in the most difficult way possible".
>>343827221
>"beat it in the most difficult way possible".
Sounds like a challenge to me, anon.
I stopped playing roguelikes because I can consistently beat them now. Not first time playing but in a day can usually beat them. picking goofball class/race setups to alter difficulty usually doesn't work as those goofy setups are also OP when you learn how to play them.
Its all about proper risk assessment. It has made me godly in roguelikes, ruined me in real life.
>>343823378
Gate of Illusion almost broke me too. I honestly don't recall the solution to it now. I don't know what it is about that place, but I get a complete mental block thinking about it.
Too busy fucking your girl, op
>>343825886
Believe me, i've seen Quick Claw Rhydon before. Battle facilities honestly go against what the game preaches
>yeah you beat the league because friendship
>now heres a place where you have to throw that all away and use different pokemon
>want to use your team? the ai has perfect pokemon with perfect stats you'll have to inbreed them
>by the way we dont tell you how to do it anywhere
It's not any fun if you have to cheat/spend a couple hours for each pokemon you want to try
>>343826128
Honestly, my goal in any EO game is to beat everything without any sort of grind and without looking up another person's strategy. I have never done this before. The closest I got was in 3 and 4.
>>343821119
Just because i like games doesn't mean i'm an autistic completionist achievement whore
>>343827283
yeah but it's not anything interesting or creative like you imply, I don't know why you're asking for suggestions when the only thing someone would say is to beat X game on Y difficulty.
>>343827450
Abyssal God was the only time I looked up strategies on the internet, and all I found was
>lol cheese it
Fuck that.
>>343827636
I found a way without WM team bullshit.
Just a good team with the arbalist, Zodiac, Hoplite, shogun and a monk
>>343827173
Yep saw it and made a note of it. Gonna check it out, thanks anon.
>>343821119
>>likes Killing Floor and hasn't solo'd hell on earth with fakedplayers 6
I assume you mean 5 faked lmao
If you actually meant 6 faked, show me someone who's done it because I'm not aware of them.
>likes indie games but has never beaten La Mulana or looked up guides to beat it
This is silly since most indie games are easy as fuck and La-Mulana isn't. But I agree people shouldn't use a guide for it.
>>343827592
lolwut
This has nothing to do with being a completionist. If anything most people who would do this kind of shit don't care about completionist bullshit.
We are definitely all autistic though and so are you.
5
I found someone's self-proclaimed 'uber challenge' run for OoT that I almost completed. Three hearts, broken goron's sword, no shield, no deaths, almost no items whatsoever, exploit the shit out of glitches so that you do the spirit temple right after deku tree, do shadow temple first before forest temple, all sorts of weird shit.
Never finished because killing those two fucking skellies at the very end while Ganon's tower is collapsing is just fucking absurd with the broken sword and a time limit.
It was fun at the time but I'll never get back those hours I spent trying to chicken-jump over the fence in Gerudo Valley.
Nowadays I just have too big of a backlog to put that much time into any one game.
>>343827804
with all due respect I'm gonna call that horseshit. how do you counter his elemental attacks? even if you counter with both zodiac and hoplite elemental counters there's still a one in three chance of getting fucked.
>likes Pokemon and hasn't won 200 matches in a row in the battle tower
Is this even possible considering that after a point the BT teams are designed specifically to hard counter your team compositions?
Beat a game, move on to the next. Only time I do stuff like that is when I revisit games, which isn't often. I did do like 30 playthroughs of Tales of Symphonia back when I was young and didn't have many games.
>>343828136
>Nowadays I just have too big of a backlog to put that much time into any one game.
I used to be like this, but at some point I guess I mellowed out. Getting all I can out of a few games and fully appreciating them is preferable to me than sifting through my backlog unenthusiastically trying to find games that grab my attention. If a game has core mechanics that I really enjoy then I'll spend as much time with it as I can get out of it.
>>343821119
>likes Metroid and hasn't found the secret message in Fusion
>likes Monster Hunter and doesn't have a 100% completed awards card
I've actually done these, I've done the MonHun one in every game in the series
>likes Pokemon and hasn't won 200 matches in a row in the battle tower
The game LITERALLY cheats
>>343825151
Have you tried fighting games, RTS, or FPS?
Few things better than putting in the time to master all of these things and then using it to knock other nerds out of a tournament
>>343825151
Yes but most of what you are describing, collectathons and shallow artificial difficulty bullshit, doesn't expand on your skills in any meaningful way. You aren't interacting with the game mechanics at a deeper level, you're just making things difficult for yourself. Like, what the fuck does a "no death" run of a Souls game accomplish that simply playing the game normally doesn't except for making the whole thing long and boring as hell?
>oh, well, you have to memorize the areas better to get through them
You already fucking did that, genius. Permadeath is only interesting in roguelikes and other randomly generated games.
And the fact that you thought that the Monster Hunter card thing was worth mentioning as opposed to speedrunning (which is already a "hope the monster has really favorable behavior RNG" sim) says more about what you consider to be "skilled" than anything.
>>343828491
The feeling of doing something new and unknown is what gives me the most enjoyment. I always come back to the games that really leave an impression on me, but only after enough time has passed that I've forgotten the specfics.
I guess Souls games are the exception, but I always play new and different builds every time.
When I really like something I get lost in it, and tend to burn out just as quickly. The only thing that recharges me is the lure of something else new and undiscovered.
Probably why I drifted into untranslated vns and weird/lesser known foreign games. The last bastions of unknown in an age when the internet has already spoiled me on almost everything.
unrelated but has captcha been giving anyone else a free pass every so often lately?
>>343827432
OP likes girls but has never fucked one anon :^)
>>343821119
I don't like any of those games or genres because they're casual garbage. Including two of those three roguelikes.
kill yourself
>>343826980
I cant really take all of that credit I used to play it a LOT on mame so I practiced with savestates on areas I had trouble. How far I got 1cc was legit but how I grindied my execution and memory wasn't.
>>343821119
But what if I just like playing vidya because they're fun and enjoyable, and appreciate the challenges those respective series bring?I did kill Absolute Virtue before 99 cap, which is more than most players will ever get to claim for their gaming career
>>343828808
I'm decent at FPS, always the best of my friendgroup by a wide margin but nothing that would hold up in serious competition. I've tried to get into competitive shooters and fighting games, but the problem for me is immersion. I like playing games to feel lost in them, to really imagine myself as the character in the world and forget about real life. That element is totally lost in competitive games for me because it's real people playing against real people, it's a pure game/sport. Usually means turning off music to communicate with team, joking around with friends, picking characters/weapons/strategies that work well in the game without regard to my personal tastes or interests. While enjoyable, it doesn't have the magic of playing a game and being completely into it. I would like to be respectable in at least one competitive game in my lifetime though.
>>343829105
I disagree. A no death run of souls shows that you have good grasp of the mechanics, have a good plan for building your character, know how to deal with all the enemies, know how to manage your resources, and know how to avoid trouble / get out of it when it happens. It demonstrates the result of your investment into the game and it feels rewarding to pull it off at least once. Usually after I've got all the achievements and had my fill of pvp I try it as a way to end my time with the game before I take a 6 month / yearlong break to keep the game fresh.
>>343829223
My girlfriend is sitting right next to me. We play video games together
>>343829180
VNs aren't games though.
>>343821119
>>likes Metroid and hasn't found the secret message in Fusion
Well at least I've done this one, although it wasn't exactly that hard compared to the rest of the list.
>>343821119
Mountain blade requires high character stats, otherwise you swing the sword too slow. Also the guard feint strike combo is broken as fuck.
>>343821119
>>likes mount and blade but hasn't solo defended/assaulted a castle siege
Shit, I've done this and I don't like mount and blade.
>>343821119
Only game I like on that list is DeS and I have cleared it with no deaths and melee only.
>>343821119
>Plays video games and didn't do this arbitrary autistic feat that I did
>>343829704
>I disagree. A no death run of souls shows that you have good grasp of the mechanics, have a good plan for building your character, know how to deal with all the enemies, know how to manage your resources, and know how to avoid trouble / get out of it when it happens. It demonstrates the result of your investment into the game and it feels rewarding to pull it off at least once. Usually after I've got all the achievements and had my fill of pvp I try it as a way to end my time with the game before I take a 6 month / yearlong break to keep the game fresh.
Again, you already do this in Souls, it's kind of why the games are popular in the first place, tacking on a "permadeath" aspect and finding the cheesiest way to run through the game is shallow and grindy as hell.
>>343821119
>>likes indie games but has never beaten La Mulana or looked up guides to beat it
Why would I play a game that I don't even like playing? Nevermind the puzzles, the game just doesn't feel good.
>looking up a guide
lmao so hardcore
>>343825151
>Just to call people who engage in their hobby autists for perusing an interest?
>YOU HAVE TO DO X Y AND Z OR ELSE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE OR ENJOY THING
Yeah this is why you're being called autistic, has nothing to do with anything else
>>343821119
>likes videogames
>plays singleplayer no skill shit
Person vs CPU requires zero skill.
>>343829709
never said or even implied they were, it was just a conversational aside.
some of them do have player input that meaningfully changes the game as well as failure states and game overs for screwing up, and some of them are just sound novels with pictures. we all like to lump them all together under one convenient umbrella because that's easy, though.
>>343829867
To be fair, OP is trying to sound elitist rather than posing a list of actual meaningful challenges.
>>343821119
People enjoy the same hobby in different ways? Shocking.
>>343822609
>200 matches in the battle tower is a grind
>La Mulana is a grind
>Beating a game with no deaths or continues is a grind in the sense that you have to start the whole game over if you follow those rules
You got me, anon. I only was able to list four. That's Pokemon, La Mulana, Dark Souls, and Metal Slug.
Sorry OP I'm not a poor fag who owns 5 games and sperg out on them. I have 400 games and multiple systems. I do this weird thing where I beat a game and then move on to another one. I don't need to milk a game for 2 years. Plus I don't need a black belt grand master on one game so I can impress people who don't give two fucks.Enjoy your autism.
>>343830174
>YOU ONLY GOTTA MEMORIZE EVERYTHING, DUDE
I still love La-Mulana, but lord and begorrah did it suffer from a case of "Can you guess what the developer meant by this" puzzles. Multiply this headache with the fact that the answers to puzzles will be in entirely different zones which literally have no meaning to you unless you remember that a statue you saw in the background had a missing nipple or some shit.
>>343829704
>have a good plan for building your character
What's the point of a no death run if you're not gonna do it SL1 melee with base equipment? Anyone can do a no death run if they're allowed to build their character however they want, it's piss easy.
>>343830473
Exactly.
A CPU can not adapt to you.
A CPU can't mindgame you.
A CPU can not learn new patterns.
A CPU can not modifity its own playstyle.
Beating CPUs takes no skill whatsoever, it's a joke.
>>343830384
Battle tower requires major intelligence and planning to find a team that can deal with the cheating/late game threats
La Mulana requires intelligence and puzzle solving, as well as skill in defeating the bosses
No death souls requires skill because you have to play the game perfectly without mistakes.
A grind is something you simply do over and over until it's done without having to think too hard about it. Fighting the same enemy over and over for experience is a grind, fighting a difficult boss without dying is not, even if you beat the boss before on a separate playthrough where you died
>>343830174
lmao
tell me high-level super metroid speedrunning doesn't take more skill than csgo or dota or some shit
>>343830648
>DOTA
>CS:GO
Shit games.
>speedrunning
>literally muscle memory: the genre
Takes no skill whatsoever, just memorization.
Try a genre that takes actual skill like RTS or FGC
>>343821119
The Baldurs Gate, Souls, and La Mulana ones are too easy to be considered elitist and should be removed from this list.
>>343830763
You're right, they are shit games, that's my point.
Okay so if you want to play a game skillfuly you're limited to 1 genre (since rts is dead).
>>343830648
Human opponents are always more difficult. Even against inhuman AI. Wallhack and perfect aim are a poor substitute for mental counterplay.
>>343830837
Speedrunning is hard, but it's not something it takes skill since it's all memorization and muscle memory. Unless it's a Speedrunning race, I suppose. Then it stops being a battle against a game, and one against an opponent.
Still that's kinda iffy, since you can only lose by fucking up yourself since nothing you do can affect your opponent.
oh boy time to argue that nothing is ever hard because all it requires is time to get better at it
skill is just your body and mind falling back on patterns it's already memorized
skill IS memorization, just applied
stop trying to treat skill like it's some magical fucking thing only ye chosen few vidya wizards possess
>>343831028
Even if you're doing it alone you're competing with your best time. You think the goal of speedrunning is just "beat the game"? The whole point for 99% of them is to do it faster.
Also I have no idea why you think manual dexterity has no bearing on "skill". Even if it were nothing but memorization and muscle memory (which is true for a lot of speedgames, but not a lot of them, especially the good ones), that would certainly be a skill.
>>343831017
>PvE
>Outcome is entirely dependent on how well you play
>PvP
>Outcome dependent on how well somebody else plays
PvP is retarded.
>>343821119
I did do the Metroid, Dark Souls, and La Mulana ones
when can I expect your blowjob OP
>>343831308
>Outcome dependent on how well somebody else plays
What? No.
PvP puts your entire skillset to the test.
Your motor skills, mental skills, metagame skills, mindgames, etc.
PvP is the pinnacle of gaming.
>PvE
>a computer that is programmed with limited skill
>does not adapt, change, react, mindgame, etc
PvE is casual dogshit.
>>343831308
what a defeatist attitude
you shouldn't count on them to fuck up, you should play better than they would on their best day
you can get lucky with RNG in PvE too, but you shouldn't count on it
the difference with PvP is what you're up against is adapting as you do, making it harder overall
>>343831259
This nigga gets it. Holy shit why do people try to complicate the idea of "skill"? If you're not interested when someone does something impressive fair enough, but nobody gives a fuck that x thing is technically more impressive because it's multiplayer or whatever.
>>343822056
Abyssal God, easily
there's a reason he's the final postgame boss and often viewed as the downright worst of all of them sans Ur-Child with no pattern
>>343821119
>If you haven't done at least one thing on this list, why the fuck are you even here?
Why should someone have to go through such lengths to post anonymously on 4chan?
>>343831529
I'm pretty inexperienced with fighting games, so I've always wondered. Why are "mindgames" considered such a well-loved part of it?
You can't read minds, so isn't that aspect of it basically just guessing? You could win or lose essentially based on luck - you either guess your opponent's behavior correctly or you don't. Why is that a good thing?
>>343831806
So it can get rid of captcha, spambots couldn't complete those challenges.
>>343831529
>there is no mental skills involved in single-player games
ebin
>>343830384
>La Mulana is a grind
fuck off
>>343831949
>LTG blending in with his fellow gamers to complains about mind games and no-footsies
>>343832051
Yeah I have no idea what he's trying to say there.
You can grind money for bullets I guess? But if you get a treasure fairy that takes like 2 minutes lol.
>>343831529
singleplayer isn't necessarily against an ai, it could be against a set of obstacles
>>343821119
stop bullying me
>>343832224
no dude people itt are definitely talking about like deathmatch with bots which will never be as skilled as my league matches
>>343821119
But I did beat Abyssal God. I even beat Ur-Child and Primevil.I don't care enough for Eo1U and EO4 was too dog shit for me to continue so no fallen one or warped saviorDid beat Ur-Devil though.
>>343832045
>there is no mental skills involved in single-player games
No, there's none.
Please tell me how is a non-human opponent going to apply mindgames to you. It can't.
>>343831949
It's part of being able to observe your opponents patterns and quickly adapt to them, or pretend you haven't observed him and pull out a wildcard because you have conditioned to believe you can't handle his options.
Layers of deceit upon layers of deceit upon layers of deceit. It's the maximum thrill of fooling each other and setting up traps that go up multiple levels.
A computer opponent will NEVER do that shit, because it literally cant.
The problem with La Mulana is retards saying it is similar to Metroid and SotN/Igavanias when those games had 0 puzzles, and La Mulana's puzzles are extremely cryptic and requires you to take notes of absolutely everything in full autismo mode.
Nope, fuck that shit.
>>343826614
If you want a ridiculous challenge then try beating Ultra V-Rated in Viewtiful Joe with your TV muted. I beat it my second year in college and the only places I co play were in the dorm where I had to be quiet or in the game room at university where everyone else is too loud to hear the game. That shit will make a man out of you.
>>343821119
>tfw I've done the Metal Slug one
>>343832510
Yeah, I see this recommended as a big Metroidvania, but that doesn't necessarily work
I love the game, but it's absolutely not for everyone
>>343830590
Sometimes I think I should make a game only to create a competent cpu with actual AI
>>343832494
You keep saying "non-human opponent" like you're thinking of it in terms of a single enemy AI or something. When I made this post
>>343832334
I was shitposting, but I'm starting to think you actually think that's what we're talking about.
Like others have said, the challenge offered by a singleplayer game can be in the form of just obstacles, not necessarily some enemy AI.
You also seem to think that mind-games is the only form of mental exertion a human is capable of. Learning mechanics from scratch in the first place is a mental skill, and when you're learning a new game, I'd say the most complex are often single-player games (compare a grand strategy game to a fighting game). Obviously once the two games are mastered, grand strategy games have a pretty low skill ceiling (I imagine, I'm not super into them), but it demonstrates the point just fine.
There's also the fact that a ton of single-player games, even including non-roguelite, action-oriented games, can have a lot of factors to take into account if they're being pushed to their limit. Whether its random elements that can give the player a huge variety of possible situations to react to or whatever, acting like there's no thought going on whatsoever just because there are no "mind games" is stupid.
I do agree with the idea that the absolute limit of skill would be reached in a multiplayer game, but I also think there are lots of single-player games that have a skill ceiling beyond what humans are capable of, so it's doesn't really matter, at least not yet. And more to the point I think you're looking at it from a humorously narrow perspective, say "non human opponent" one more time.
>>343821119
>if you don't meet the arbitrary requirements I've set you need to GTFO mah /v/
>>343821119
>Abyssal God in EO3
That fight isn't really hard, you just need to memorize its very fixed pattern and determine what you can use to survive each turn and then what resources to blow him up in a small window of opportunity.
>>343821119
>likes bathing but hasn't climbed a mountain to find hidden hot springs
>likes eating but hasn't eaten literally everything at an all you can eat buffet
>likes sex but hasn't fucked everyone in his neighborhood
>likes breathing but hasn't sat in a burning building until his lungs collapsed
Defend yourself
>>343834026
>likes bathing
haha no
>he's a tit guy
>>343821119
>Posts on /v/ and can't post without doing a shitpost
>>343821119
I played Europa Universalis II and placed American militias of 12 thousand in the UK in 1776. Git gud.
>>343821119
Who cares?
Post more Mulbruk.
>>343830623
>Battle tower requires major intelligence
DUDE LMAO DURANT
>>343821119
>likes CRPGs but hasn't solo cleared Baldur's Gate
Fucking unreal unless you spammed The block as the drawf soloing that game was impossible
OP you're confusing liking something with loving it. On some points it's practically obsessing over it
>>343821119
I've done the monster hunter one.
Most of these anyway are just autistic grindfests.
>>343830648
>tell me high-level super metroid speedrunning doesn't take more skill than csgo or dota or some shit
that's a given since no sp game can require competitive csgo or dota/lol skill
>>343821119
I did the mount and blade one. It was awful but I did it.