After thinking about it for a while, I think Zero's actions were justified.
At the very least, he's a sympathetic character after Happy End.
>>343816557
>clone machine
>quantum computer
>robots
He is as incompetent as his father.
Happy birthday America
>>343816557
JUST
This Zero did his job well.
>Created a timeline in which he lives and get sent to the past, so he appears in every timeline after 1904
>Created a timeline where Sean can finally find his happy life, even if virtual
>Created a timeline where the AB project gets done, and so the whole game can be played
>Created a timeline in which 9 people become superheroes that can save the world
>All in ONE game
You can't say he hadn't a complex mind.
>>343817090
that's what the monty hall problem is all about, anon
>>343816992
So no one with the PC version was smart enough to take a screenshot without the subtitles?
Anyone have that picture of all the Zero foreshadowing?
>>343817003
MURDER
>>343817338
GAB
>>343817281
You don't think firefighters are patriotic?
>>343816867
reposting this
>343817069
i got all the endings already though (except for one)
>>343817195
there might be a bug, i got thefinal decisionbeforephi/delta being born, not sure if thats how its supposed to go. and yeah, i did do all the votes at the beginning
>Drunk Diana.
>>343817338
ERIC
>>343816557
which one? he can't shift and he clearly stated that any of the various Zero is a different and complex individual
>>343817463
>used goods Diana
I was not okay with that.
>>343817178
Yeah, I think I liked this rendition of zero more then the others
Why dont you browse 4 + 4 chan?
>>343817564
I want /r9k/ to leave
>>343817640
I want facebook to leave.
>>343817281
Really want it that badly? Here you go.
I have a few of the scenes saved on my computer so it's not all that hard getting pictures.
>>343816557
Please postMINDHACKimages. Seeign them makes me laugh and forget about my disappointment in this game
>>343816557
He sure knows how to outplay.I love seeing his shadow throughout the game.
>>343817238
I mean, if you really wanted to fuck with them.
You would give give them a 1/10 chance of guessing right.
Then: only ask them if they wanted to switch lockers in the instance they were right.
And if they were wrong, just open the empty locker.
To shit on people who knows about Monthy Hall.
>>343817736
Go back to your containment board
>>343817769
The world needs more suicidal Carlos.
He's gonna spend all of eternity shifting and fucking killing himself
>>343817769
>C team only gets one ending
WHY
>>343817769
Does it feel better now?
>>343817531
>various Zero is a different and complex individual
They are mostly the same. It's not like every Eric is a completely different individual because he couldn't shift.
>>343817876
Go back to your favorite social media.
Has it occurred to anyone yet that Delta might have been Lord Gordain? Uchi did say that we would learn more about Gordain in ZTD but that he would not be directly referred to. That said, Uchi's word was clearly not his bond with regards to ZTD's content.
>dream that I'm playing a proper unlocked True Route in the game
>then dream that I'm posting about it on /v/
I think my disappointment has carried over into my subconscious. Feels bad, man.
Why did he kill the pupper in one end? Why was the pupper chained up in one end?
>>343817325
This?
Also, best Zero.
>>343818489
Someone may want to write it again, there's also the double IV in the cover (Participant 4 was never revealed) and you can hear Delta screaming in the shower room executions.
>>343818495
>akane in that dress
twelve inches, every time
>>343817178
>Created a timeline in which he lives and get sent to the past, so he appears in every timeline after 1904
This is valid and basically the same thing Akane does.
>Created a timeline where Sean can finally find his happy life, even if virtual
Didn't need the decision game to do this.
>Created a timeline where the AB project gets done, and so the whole game can be played
Okay, I guess. He had to kill six billion people because he was too incompetent to find out who one person was, but I suppose it trained Sigma and Phi enough to do esper shenanigans.
>Created a timeline in which 9 people become superheroes that can save the world
Hardly. Eric and Mira are still useless while Akane/Junpei/Phi/Sigma already had the training. Carlos just needed to be told about SHIFT. Zero was honestly better off making an intelligent army of Seans if he wanted superheroes.
>>343818015
Maybe Akane was just a nut who didn't understand that Sigma didn't actually care that much for Kyle.
>>343818015
Who?
>>343818456
I think people are looking to deep into Gab.
He is literally just a dog. People like dogs, and when he gets killed everyone gets upset. Who fucking kills dogs?
>eric fire m79 indoors point blank
>not only does the grenade arm instead of punching a hole in the fishbowl, they somehow get to safe distance on foot with one of them in a wheelchair
Bullshit.
>>343818489
Yes, thanks anon
Agreed, I have my issues with this game as the end to Zero Escape but this Zero was my absolute favourite
>>343818015
I think Kyle is supposed to be the player
Not as in you're playing as Kyle, but Kyle is you. He jumped into our universe and was born as you. You are Kyle's consciousness.
It explains why Kyle is just an empty husk in the VLR timeline
>>343818495
>Dio's head pitched on the point of the flag
>Eric going apeshit with a gun
>Junpei's head rolled over on the ground
It's the small things.
>>343816557
Someone post zeros greatest weapon in his diabolical plan
Youknow, the thing that can carry and has wheels
Post memo doddles
How based a single person can be?
>>343818916
all of this is wrong though, Kyle was definitely its own character. Blick Winkel was supposed to just SHIFT with him somehow.
>>343818641
>the double IV in the cover
wut?
>>343819091
Shame he can't write an ending to save his life.
>>343819067
>>343818916
Blick Winkel is the player. I don't have the tweet saved that confirms this. Kyle is absent from the game.
>>343819091
Shit, was that the 999 poster that Spike Chunsoft was referring to in their tweet?
>>343819067
>>343819067
Yo, watch your ink meter.
>>343818883
Q actually dies. That's how they get the X-Pass to escape. I still think it's stupid, but it's perfectly in character for Eric.
>>343819304
Yes.
>>343819316
>Using the eraser takes up ink
WHOEVER THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA NEEDS A LETHAL INJECTION OF RADICAL SIX
Can we all agree on one thing?FUCK THE TRANSPORTER ROOM
I laughed
>>343818489
This is probably the most well executed twist Uchi has ever done.
>>343819597
fuck the transporter in general
>lol aliens lmao
>>343819489
Ya, it was a bad design choice.
>>343819489
>>343819316
Why is there an ink meter? Shouldn't you be able to take as many notes as you want?
>>343819632
I donno. It was to easy to see it comming.
>>343818489
The only problem with this is the lack of a 10th pass code. No-one points out the fact there are only 9 slots.
>>343819632
And it's completely pointless.
>>343818015
ITS
GAB
>>343819846
Sean isnt a participant
So what other room escape games are fun?
>>343819626
noone thought this was funny? :(
>>343818916
Kyle is K, not you.
>>343819846
Sean can't die, he's a robot
>>343819597
Why? Because it's hard, or because it's a Deus Ex Machina?
>Zero is revelead
>no one really liked him
>memes about him start to be spammed
>OMG BEST ZERO EVER!!!
going mainstream was a mistake
>>343818706
Hardly. Eric and Mira are still useless while Akane/Junpei/Phi/Sigma already had the training.
i won't argue with mira and eric, but they proved themselves useful as two killers that oiled up the danger machine.
also, he gave akane, junpei and sigma the right motivation to seek out the killer, since delta is stranded in every single timeline.
i'm quite sure a few versions of him actually spot the killer, but they were somehow left in the dark.
now all delta needs is to wait for one of them to jump back at him and tell him who is the killer, go and kill that fucker, and call it a day and invite everyone to eat ice cream at eric's place.
but 10 bucks says that whoever is so pent on destroying the world, is either a shifter, or asnail
>>343819846
Only ones who know about Sean during the game are Eric and Mira (and Delta obviusly)
>>343820046
I blame the milennials.
>>343820010
Kyle is only K in the timelines where you fail to defuse the bomb or die in some other reason.
In the primary VLR timeline, K was always Akane and Kyle is in the pod
>>343820029
Easily the hardest room in the game
>>343819718
Problem is, the transporter is fine, it just didn't need to be aliens.
In the vein of many things in this series, it could be a closed loop/paradoxwhatever where future Delta built the time machine and sent the blueprints using the machine itself to the past or whatever.
It just didn't need fucking aliens.
>>343819998
I laughed.
>>343819597
>he didn't write that shit out
I thought it was too easy personally. Was sort of dissapointed it wasn't on the same level as the Q room in VLR.
>>343820080
>gave akane, junpei and sigma the right motivation to seek out the killer
45 years o working their asses off isn't enough? Just tell them about the terrorist ffs.
All he needed to do is explain to Carlos what shifting was
>>343819597
Did people have trouble with the puzzles? All rooms in ZTD were easy, Transporter was about in the middle in terms of difficulty. I played around with numeral systems a bit back in the day though so I knew what to do right away
I have no problem with Delta being there all the time, I have a problem with HOW it was explained that he was there all the time
>>343819998
it was funny, man.
>>343817460
you're supposed to know zero's real name by the time that carlos saves jumpei and akane at the "muh 10 months" timeline, the anagram is the one who give it to you, after that, go to the timeline "who killed muh mira" and answer zero real name, he gives you the code for the 1 force quit
>>343816974
Yeah, €37 feels overpriced. I think €25 would be fair.
>>343820210
>Not buying a giant white board to put in your gaming area for game note taking
>>343820113
>pick all the cards off the floor
>put them in the machine
>use basic algebra to figure out all the symbols
The only hard part of figuring out that the second set of icons equate to roman numerals.
>>343820210
>needing to write it down
>>343820287
don't forget he's a psychopath, so he probably wanted to have some fun in the meanwhile, and kill mira at least once.
>>343820135
It's not fine at all when you consider that this is the end of a series in which time machines didn't exist up until now even though they would've changed the previous games completely with their presence.
The concept was shoved in in the most retarded way possible and resolved multiple plotlines that were otherwise impossible to resolve.
It is the most literal definition of a deus ex machina in the 3rd act out of fucking nowhere.
Stop defending it.
>>343820481
>second set of icons equate to roman numerals
Are there any webms of Phi doing that Rider kick?
>>343819597
>not knowing the fundamental theorem of arithmetic
>>343820110
Well you know Kyle's personality from the other routes and from the cliffhanger. Ita definitely a character.
>>343820589
>"I only gave her due punishment."
DELTA DID NOTHING WRONG
>>343820210
VLR's Q room was just tedious. At least this one can be solved by using logic.
>>343820746
I'm saying that character shifts into reality and becomes you
It's a stretch and a crackpot theory to be sure but there it is
>>343820210
Post transporter room notes.
>>343820667
>>343820623
Good luck, anon.I don't think that guy is one of them butthere are tons of people in these threads who think ZTD is a completely flawless and perfect game, and will accept no perspective to the contrary, no matter the quality nor quantity of evidence in support.
>Team C killed more people than any of the other teams
>Fanatic Bio R>Fabrication
>>343820853
>>343820667
Why does Phi likes to kick so much?
>>343819597
>>343820210
> Pick up all the cards and get the Wind = 0 message.
> Then spend a fucking half hour or more shoving each card into the blue star machine and play Ay La Mo to work out what cards beat what.
> Work out almost every single card.
> Start mashing my fucking face on everything but I can't progress.
> Fucking hologram book suddenly has more stuff for me.
> Massively simplifies the working out process.
I can't tell if I'm proud I did it myself, or mad that the holobook just seems to randomly fucking update.
>>343820853
>mfw seeing whose feet the gun ends up at
>>343821021
is that even a kick? i'd call that a goomba stomp at best
>>343820943
Every person has blood on their hands if you take all the routes into account.
>>343820771
My only problem with the Q room was the dice and the fucking dart board.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DTt0DJn0_CU
Is this the best song in the game?
>>343820820
Did you really needed all those fucking notes just to deduce the symbols?
why were the ayylium glyphs so human-like if they apparently had 13 fingers on presumably 3 or more arms?
>>343821080
Phi hasn't killed a single person
So what were the top 3 worst aspects or ZTD?Mira having no character consistency.No EpilogueRetconning >you
>>343821073
It's like a dive-kick.
>>343820963
>>343820940
I thought the general consensus was that it's mostly a dissapointment.
>>343817769
>>343821202
that was an example
it was literally "imagine if", it's never stated that they are actually like that
>>343821214
She kills sigma and Diana by being an idiot and fearing double poison
>>343821091
The dice part becomes a lot easier once you release that only one out of a pair of the same colored dice can possibly end up in the correct position.
>>343821219
Retconning (You) was the best.
Retconning Kyle was the worst.
>>343818883Sean is protecting Q in that scene.
>>343820940
Oh, hell no. The game is without a doubt the worst of the three, but it's alright.
>>343820113
Wut.
>rub the cards on the "show me the cards"
>rub against every interactible object in the room
>guess which symbol is which with basic math
>do primary school multiplication in memo
>HEY DIPSHIT YOU REMEMBER WHAT A BASE IS RIGHT?
>THIS THING HAS FIVE SLOT AND YOU CALCULATED A FIVE DIGOT NUMBER
>AM I GETTING ACROSS?
Hardest part of the room was interacting with the nucleus pod after it becomes available for interaction. I had more trouble with the flowers, the sliding letters, and ingeracting with the tiny timer button in manufacturing.
Admit it, you laughed at it.
>>343821219
That shit near the end where you have to choose to shift or not.
How the fuck is that even a choice?
They've been doing it all this time and suddenly they start feeling guilty about it.
Fuck that
>>343821318
But it makes sense, why else would they use such a useless system?
>>343821139
sure
>>343821202
it's a ruse.
shifters created the pods in the past in order to fuck up with the timelines in the future. and used the ayy lmao thing to cover up their tracks.
the morphogenetic war is real, anon.
>>343821529
Complex
>game brings back loads of music from 999 and VLR
>Recollection
fugg
>>343821219TransporterConstant explanations of things that have already been explained in the previous games/repeats of backstoy expositionone religious fanatic causing the extinction of the human race
>>343821159
Not really. Because I started trying out figuring it out via the board and then ditched that and tried by just multiplying. The ones on the bottom are redundant because at the end I reorganized them on the top.
>>343821219>Dropped plot lines that were promised in VLR Q&A
>Inconsistent personalities
>Complex
>>343821219There was no KyleWhat the fuck was that button there forWhy did the dog have to die
>>343821238
It could have been better, but honestly, it's a fitting enough end to the series. Certainly better than not having it.
>>343821238
Unfortunately, many people will shit the thread up and claim that only one or two people think the game is bad.
>>343821473
Yeah it had decent concepts but ultimately, it really fell far short of what it was intended to be.
>>343821139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GveSKpeanh8
Sean's theme is better.
>>343821219
>Sigma and Phi not abusing their shift powers
>The fragment format in general. I think it wouldve fared better VLR style.
>That bullshit twist that we are supposed to.believe because of a handful of quick dialogue hints and a slight shadow, and yet there are no wheel tracks anywhere.
Sum up your feelings about this game in ONE word
>>343821710
Which button?
>>343821490
i did.
>>343821219
Abandoning a lot of major plot points from VLR
No final Quest room in the true routeNewscaster not coming back to ring in the new year
>>343821794
bewilderment
>>343821794
Okay.
>>343821276
>>343821219
The reuse of morphogenetic sorrow every other fucking scene
No Kyle or ???
Stiff animations and poor lighting
Aliens
Thank god there weren't more recurring characters, even if Mira is lackluster. I personally like Eric, and Sean and Delta were both great.
>>343821219
>no Kyle
>last decision is pants on head retarded like completely retarded what were they thinking
>how much shit just stopped because of the 90 minute cap on each fragment
Where are all the good wallpapers at? I only got this one.
Hey guys, what if they DID wake up earlier but they just kept forgetting because of the bracelet drugs?
Also, maybe the other teams were killed because of the vote at 13:30?
>>343821794
Complex
>>343817769
Why were you disappointed? ZTD is easily the best game.
>>343821794
Meh
>>343821695
For me the hardest part was what to do after figuring out the numbers, and the fucking book tells you to change the numbers to base 13,
>>343821938
i got you senpai
>>343821794
MINDHACK
I
N
D
H
A
C
K
>>343821794
Adequate.
so, what was the fucking burn mark sean notices in the floor in the lobby, in that part where eric decide not to boomstick him?
>>343821794
Nyalright.
>>343821794
Mediocrity.
Did it sell decently?
Where was Kyle?
Why was Gab kill?
Is there a true ending I missed?
>>343821794
Fuck
>>343821794
Goldstar.
>>343822028
>>343816557
>there was a Zero in each group
>>343822054
Probably a bloodstain from akane
>>343821794
unsatisfying
>>343821946
No, we don't know for sure that they're dead. A crazy psychopathic madman could have just locked us in here as part of a joke!
>>343821219
Mira in general
Not just using the VLR flowchart. Conceptually this game is very nice, but the execution made almost every death/gameover feel limp.
Not enough puzzle rooms/no final room or even standalone final puzzle.
Still loved the game. Weakest of the series, but through no fault of its own in my opinion.
I can't fucking wait until 999 is voiced.
>>343822097
No idea.
Not in the game.
No idea; maybe to provide him with a quick painless death.
Nope.
>>343822137
>>343822179
>sub ending
gonna be fucking hype.
>>343819632
>no one in Q team suspect most suspicious invisible Delta
>no one talk ABOUT HIM
>tons of Q team shots from above without any shadow and wheelchairs
>"most well executed twist Uchi has ever done.
No. It's most poor executed part in game. Worst in series.
>>343821956
This is the only guy that gave the correct answer
>>343821769
Sudoku
>>343821794
Carlos?
Thinking about it now, Delta really is similar to the player. He essentially fucks around making different choices and getting all the "endings" he wants to happen.
Is what he is doing justifiable, is what you are doing justifiable? Is fucking around constantly with timelines and the fates of your other-selves, in alternate histories ok if you manage to create a single timeline when everyone is happy?
That's the final conundrum at the end when Carlos is pointing the gun at Delta.
>>343820820
>>343816557
I don't mind the round about way Zero got to the end, it's just like in the first two.
I just didn't like how he mansplained the whole plot at the end and called everyone a massive retard for thinking he was at fault for killing them hundreds of times
Well, that was a fun ride.
>>343821794
subpar
>>343822168
>Not just using the VLR flowchart
Uchi can't use the same twist twice.In the same series
>>343821794
Despite all the memes, "Complex" really fits the best for me honestly.
REMINDER
DELTA
DID
NOTHING
WRONG
>>343817769
The game is not very good as end of trilogy, because of missing plotlines, forgotten characters from VLR and silly plot twists out of ass compared to infinity series/999/VLR. But somehow everything is so fuckin good and fun. Even silly twists are fun.
>THE FUCK
>BEHOLD THE POWER OF MIND HACKING
>COMPLEX
>2CARLOS LMAO
>SNAILS
>BOSS PHI
>CARLOSBOWL
>CALL THE COPS
>DON'T WORRY I WON'T DIE
>BUTTON
>>343822437
I can't read your handwriting for shit
Just finished it. Shouldn't have preordered this at all, anyone know if they fixed the PSTV bug yet? Not that the numerous touch screen sections would make it enjoyable.
I have literally played eroge that had the same exact plot twist but handled it better.
>>343821238
>>343820940
I personally found it really good (999 is the weakest entry for me), but it depends on the hour the threads are up.
>>343821202
You ever watch Star Gate?Basically what I'm saying is slavery.
>ok, I transported
>hmm, I'm ten months early what do I do
>stop zeros plan?
>nope, the. I won't have met my bffs
>I'll just wait right here for ten months and everything will be perfectly ok
>I can't wait to see the look on their faces
>>343822586
>I have literally played eroge that had the same exact plot twist but handled it better
Like?
>>343822560
>my retarded picture is getting reposted
i feel accomplished
>>343822572
Cuz it's doodled in bed on a stack of paper with no solid support while holding my vita in the other hand.
Also, Carlos and Akane were flirting while literally solving puzzles using pieces of Junpei's body. We reached levels of cuckoldry that shouldn't even be possible.
Also Akane's and Junpei's characterization was god awful and inconsistent... did he seriously try to make Junpei an "edgy super detective" or what the fuck
i dont even know anymore anons. hold me while i go play overwatch
>>343822698
His expression when he says "But then I wouldn't have met you guys!" is what gets me.
He's all "NAILED IT".
>>343822698
Well, he was right though.
Changing anything would result in another timeline from where they travelled.
If you faggots want to play a time travel VN with a good ending I suggest you check out YU-NO.
>>343822814
>playing memewatch
Anon...
>>343822702
Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo
>>343822814
Cucked by Carlos
>>343822814
>Junpei's character was inconsistent
With what? 999? They addressed that countless times in the story. If you were Junpei the events of 999 would turn you somber too.
>>343819769
You would think. They allowed that in VLR. Not sure why they changed it for ZTD.
>>343822454
> 1 2 3 4 5 -7-8-
Made me laugh for some reason.
>>343822965
Not just that, but within the game itself - he would go from "im a badass secret detective edgelord hurr" to grumpy jumpy within the same scene.
Not to mention how the fuck this all relates to old jumpei in VLR
>>343822814
>Akane and Junpei's personality was inconsistent
How so? Akane was the same from 999 to the letter. Blowing people up was probably Santa's idea in the whole plan.
Junpei literally had his Tenmyouji personality from VLR.
>>343822814
Wait, that was flirting? I thought they were just playing around and teasing one another during that fragment.
>akane and aoi will never go to jail for murdering three people
>delta will never go to prison despite being the leader of a terrorist death cult
Why is law enforcement in Zero Escape so useless and unjust
>>343822814
The only thing that didn't make sense was the fact that he wasn't constantly shitting on Akane for putting him in a fucking death game against his will. Him being jaded with her makes complete sense.
>>343823005
Solving rooms for good 10 straight hours took some toll on me.
POST YFWPasses from alternate histories cannot be used.
>>343822631
why would they use images of slaves to represent digits? Especially since the "strongest" digit contains one
>>343823274
>mfw the flowchart sorted itself out
>>343823274
>>343823274
I saw it coming, but it was still handled in a spooky way.
>>343823274
>>343823274
>>343822890
Remaster looks like ass tho. It will be completely rewritten, right?
>>343822941
>Sharin no Kuni
>same plot twist
Wut? G-senjou maybe have something similar.
>>343823274PENALTYPENALTY
>>343823210
was mostly for the cuckoldry joke, anon
>>343823231
oh and she does it AGAIN - by injecting him 4noraisins in one timeline and going "oh just feel my beating heart :^)" in another
>>343823274
>>343823345
Slave trumps emperor, anon.
>>343823274
>then PENALTY PENALTY happens
>>343823460The protags incestuous sister was there alongside him the whole time but was forbidden by speaking by law. the game hinted at this numerous times
>>343822814
what was bullshit was the ending where they basically went back to 999 characterization.
>>343823460
>remaster
NANNNIIIIIII?
>>343823163
>Akane was the same from 999 to the letter
are you kidding me? She was literally nothing alike
>>343823274
I couldn't have been the only one to already try alternate-timeline X-passes before that moment, in one of the other timelines where you can type X-passes in.
>>343823460
What's the problem in your opinion?
Remaster looks fine to me since I can appreciate both 90s and modern art styles.
>VIVE HODIE
What?
>>343823619
>>343823460
Did you even play Sharin no Kuni? The 'big reveal' is very similar to what happens in ZTD only the ending wasn't nearly as stupid.
So if there's a second Carlos in every timeline, wouldn't he have come to rescue Akane/Junpei in the twins ending and saved Diana/Sigma?
>>343823274
>>343822890
>with a good ending
>guy fucked his daughter so hard that the universe is born
sasuga
>>343822428
Game about that fat skeleton pls go.
>>343823791
Carlos has no reason to save Diana/Sigma, only Junpei and Akane.
Also he's not in every timeline either.
>>343818706
He needed Sean to experience these things so he can grow enough to play that final Decision game over his fate.
>>343823460
>they changed all the delicious thighs for moe skeleton anime girl legs
I don't even know what the fuck is this but Im mad
>>343823646
The change of designs. And I found new artist is pretty average. It's loosk like moege now
>>343823602
>a clueless broad with useless knowledge that somehow became relevant as the game progressed
nah she the same
>>343822890
YU-NO went to shit in the 2nd act after the whole medieval thing happens desu
It just feels like a completely different game with almost no ties into what happened in the first half.
>>343822772
it's gonna get posted every day until you like it.
>>343823768
>The 'big reveal' is very similar to what happens in ZTD
You mean "I pretending for n years"?
Does anyone wonder how little Gab was used this game? You would think they would have used him more to send messages and stuff.
>>343823828
You forgot to mention the part where is fucks his stepmother, his other daughter and eats one of his friends.
