What made KOTOR II the best Star Wars game?
>>343811651
Nothing, but its shitty writing made it one of the worst.
>>343811651
KOTOR games are shit
>>343811651
The ability to merge blasters with force users and not suck.
dual pistol master speed mira ftw
It made the actual best Star Wars game, Knights of the Old Republic, that much better in retrospect.
>>343811870
>_____ writing
>>343811870
>>343811972
>"look ma I did it again XD"
Kill yourselves.
>>343811651
standby for 12 year olds who never played the games to claim its shit
>>343811651
Chris Avellone
Because you got to actually call the Jedi and Sith on what colossal retards they are. Same reason everyone thinks Imperial Agent had the best TOR storyline.
>>343811651
You mean KOTOR 1?
>>343812289
>standby
No need. It's summer. They were literally they first posters.
>>343812203
>>343812224
ObsidiCucks everybody
>>343811651
Nothing, because that honor belongs to TIE Fighter and Jedi Knight
>>343812683
lol that game looks like fucking trash
>>343812610
>look Mom! I used the word 'cuck'! XD
>>343811651
>>343812683
>Not Battlefront 2
>>343812810
You look like fucking trash
>>343812683
Im glad I was born the time I was in. HOly shit that looks so bad, probably doesnt even have achievements and shit
>>343812847
Battlefront 2 has garbage space combat
I'd rather play Rogue Squadron or TIE Fighter
>>343811651
It wasn't. As a game it was rushed-out boring garbage with terrible encounter design, uninspired map design, and a retarded amount of reused assets. The only thing it was good for was character writing.
>>343811651
>>343812683
>>343812847
You're all wrong
>>343812847
>worse than Battlefront 1
>garbage space combat maps
>only good thing to come out of it was Heroes vs Villians
yeah nah, New BF is even better than BF2
>inb4 (You) posts
>>343813762
>tfw no hardcore simulation version of racer where you have to control each pod with separate joysticks and do maintenance during the race and shit on like Asetto Corsa-fidelity tracks
Fuck you, EA, you fucking assholes
>le hk-47 so funneh he's a droid but he says meatbag and doesn't particularly care for people XD
>>343812289
I never played kotor until last summer and it was an excellent experience. Kotor 2 on the other hand was buggy, scenes were missing, and it was over too quickly. The final mission was clunky too. But I loved them both. I'll replay them with mods some day.
>>343814146
>strawmanning this hard
>>343814416
Probably should have played 2 with at least the restoration mod the first time through. Vanilla 2 is a pretty miserable experience.
Kotor 2 was good but it tried way too fucking hard to be "le neutral master race xd" story, when the heart of SW has always been Light vs Dark. Interesting but the original kotor is much better overall.
>inb4 Obsidian fanboys angrily reply to my post and spout accusations about Biocuck shit
>>343813762
>>343814140
>You will never own a Pod Racer arcade machine
Why even live?
>>343814509
Yeah, I regretted not doing that the first time but at least the new content will be fun to explore second time around.
>>343814513
It didnt try to be ''le neutral master race''. In the end, the point was that both sides were flawed, and that, if the Exile understands this, he can continue with his path and restore the Jedi Order based on these principles.
>>343814756
>he
>>343814513
neutrality is the master race though
>>343814789
Wasn't Revan supposed to be the one thats canonically female?
>>343814970
No. Revan is canon male, the Exile is canon female. If you go by Bioware canon, which I know a lot of people around here get triggered by now so just believe in whatever you want, I can't tell you what to do.
>>343814513
You do realize the whole story of that game was the dissection of the typical Star Wars story, ie Light vs Dark. It's not the first to do it either. And it wasn't even about "le neutrality". It was about serving the self.
>>343814140
you could use two n64 controllers and control each pod with separate joysticks
>>343815184
Yeah. It was an interesting story but too many people praise it as being the best SW story ever because it basically gives a huge middle finger to the Light vs Dark story which has always been the central theme to SW's mythos.
Kreia criticizes the player for going too Light or too Dark and everyone eats it up.
>>343815512
People praise it because of how well done it was. Not to mention Kreia's performance in general.
>Kreia criticizes the player for going too Light or too Dark and everyone eats it up.
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was talking to one of you.
>>343815816
Kreia was an idiot who wasn't any better than the Jedi or Sith
>>343816020
So what you're saying is that your opinion on Kotor2 is completely worthless and shouldn't be taken seriously at all? Okay, thanks. You have a good one then.
>>343813762
No PC port, glad I still have my N64 and the cartridge of this game.
>>343816280
>I don't like his opinion
>therefore it's shit
You're like the stereotypical 4chan poster, congrats my man
>>343816362
>barely punctured the surface of an entire character
>was such a baby that he got pissy towards someone after he got chewed out and then chewed out more because he refused to learn in the game
So tell me. Why is your opinion not entirely worthless, mr redditor?
>>343816606
>I don't like him
>he's obviously from reddit
Jesus fuck, you really are the stereotype. Kill yourself nigger.
>>343816881
Ooh, nice backpedaling? Got nothing to really say in regards to your worthless opinion so you're just gonna get offended and strawman? Go figure a biocuck would get like this.
>>343816337
>No PC port
>>343817181
>if I use the word cuck that means I win
>>343817919
I won far before using that word. But you seem to have focused specifically on it. Got anything you want to let out? Something that's triggering you?
>>343816020
Kreia was neither bad nor good, she even says that she used to be like Atris and we find out she used to be Sith. She sort of just tries to make the Exile think the same way she does but it has to be resolved by defeating. She basically forces you into fighting her because if he aren't worthy of making a change she will just wipe out the force all together, it was her contingency for it not working out how she wanted it to.
>>343818187
>Kreia was neither bad nor good
Kreia ends up being the living embodiment of the Sith Code and encourages the player numerous times to fuck over everyone else in favor of benefit themselves. She's sure as hell not neutral, she just isn't a braindead power hungry cartoon villain like Malek.
>>343813762
This is the first game I remember ever playing when I was a kid, dunno if it really was my first but its the earliest I can remember
>>343816337
It is on PC actually, dunno if its better than the N64 version though.
>>343818571
>She's sure as hell not neutral, she just isn't a braindead power hungry cartoon villain like Malek.
Confirmed for never playing Kotor2.
>>343815512
It wasn't a huge middle finger, it just posited that perhaps blindly adhering to either the light side or the dark side can be equally destructive in the long run.
>>343818742
Confirmed for never understanding KOTOR 2 and trusting the word of a habitual liar.
>>343817692
>>343818669
I should have said a recent port.
Always believe this version didn't run on 64 bits OS .
>>343818858
>Confirmed for never understanding KOTOR 2
The irony is palpable. The only one that didn't understand it was you.
>>343818764
Yet in the movies and all the official canon, the only thing seen as destructive in the long run is being pure Dark.
>>343819036
And?
>>343818961
Feel free to make an actual argument. She was only "neutral" in the Jedi vs. Sith dichotomy, and even then only if you believe every Sith must be a cackling cartoon villain. She was still very much evil.
>>343819146
So whats the point of saying the Light side is destructive in the long term if we never see evidence in that in the official canon?
it's not
it's "deep" writing is taking Jolee's shtick and making a "whole" game out of it
>>343819527
You mean the official "canon" that wiped out everything that Disney couldn't monetize?
>>343819527
The light side in official canon is destructive in that it lulled the Jedi and Republic as a whole into stagnation, being so obsessed with customs and rules that they couldn't see the dark side brewing under their noses. Destructive from within, while the dark side is destructive from without.
>>343819308
You first. You made the claim I didn't understand it first.
And she was still neutral overall as well. She served both the Jedi and the Sith before choosing to serve herself. The only evil part of her story in 2 was her backup plan to destroy the Force completely, which as the game showed isn't necessarily good or bad. She's essentially a more active Jolee.
>>343819527
The movies are the most basic bitch shit in the universe. Of course they're gonna tell a story that can be eaten up by the most people possible. Too bad the EU got killed otherwise I could just tell you to fuck off.
>>343819919
>movies the most basic bitch shit
Oh shut the fuck up, they're the reason you're so autistic about this shit in the first place
>>343820251
>tell it how it is
>s-shut up, you s-suck
The funniest part is that I didn't even say anything about the quality of the movies and you're already upset.
>>343819919
Every single act that raised influence with her, with the except of one (telling her nobody is beyond redemption on Korriban) was either neutral or dark side, the majority being dark. Her entire teaching revolved around using people selfishly and manipulating events to benefit yourself to the detriment of everyone around you, which the game very clearly identifies as a dark side philosophy. It's not enough that you benefit yourself in a neutral way for her; she very explicitly demands that the player cast off any inhibitions about harming others. Yes this includes herself, but I never argued that she's a hypocrite.
>>343819873
It wasnt so much that, as much as the jedi being so stuck in their ways that they didnt notice when theh strayed into paranoia.
>>343811651
I don't know since Tie Fighter was the best Star Wars game.
>>343820734
Actually there were many options or combinations of options that would either lead to an increase in LS points and influence or just an increase in LS points.
>which the game very clearly identifies as a dark side philosophy
Actually the game identifies it as light side as not helping in this game is a "fight your own wars" and essentially forcing the NPC to go finish its own quest and reap the XP reward from it instead of simply handing them what they want.
>she very explicitly demands that the player cast off any inhibitions about harming others
That's hardly not neutral. It's not like she says to go out of your way to fuck over others but to not let that control your actions.
You seem to have trouble understanding her very basic philosophy.
Anyone else like KOTOR 1 more?
I don't know what it is but I just didn't like KOTOR 2 very much
Even Avellone thinks 1 was better.
The lack of Bioware's shitty writing.
>>343822123
you didnt use the restored content mod, did you?
I do like that Kotor II retroactively made Revan a much better character
>>343822564
I don't know I might have. I don't think I did.
>>343811651
It was buggy and unfinished just like new vegas
Obsidian is shit at polishing games amigo. Theyre great idea guys but they always fuck up the execution.
>>343822182
Yeah but he's a faggot
>>343811651
Because Kreia had the knowledge. She really made me think about some shit
>>343822894
Shut up Avellone no one liked your self insert.
>>343822083
The only way to gain light side points and gain influence, in addition to the aforementioned dialogue option on Korriban, is to do a light side act that she berates you for, and then say you'll consider her advice. In this case, it's not a single act that does both, it's the neutral act of accepting her advice that gains influence.
Unless you have actual specific examples otherwise, whereas I've given specific examples backing up my point.
>Actually the game identifies it as light side
If this were true then the game would give you light side affinity for it, which it does not. You gain light side affinity by helping people with their daily problems, eliminating injustices, and treating your allies and others with kindness, not being neutral and leaving people to their own devices.
>It's not like she says to go out of your way to fuck over others but to not let that control your actions.
On the contrary, there are many cases, especially on Narr Shadaa, where you go out of your way to fuck people over because it'll help you, and she praises you for it. What she hates is randomly murdering people, because that means they're no longer tools that you can use.
Kreia is basically a better sith than most people who use the term. Whats refreshing about her (and her god tier voice acting) is that she's not so muh after power, as much as complete idealogical dominance.
Her mantras basically come across as less be as grey as possible, and more be yourself and true to yourself. Getting caught up in labels and tribalism will just make you unable to contextualize your actions.
Vrook, Atris, and the exile all did things that they thought were justified by their means, but Vrook and Atris lie to themselves and cling to their Jedi title because it distracts them from how morally bankrupt and paranoid they really are.
>>343818571
Hmmm I wonder why she would say such a thing...maybe because she was betrayed by both Jedi and Sith and knows that Revan left to fight a war without his friends?
>>343823780
Her reasons for being dark side does not change that she's dark side.
>>343823574
>it's the neutral act of accepting her advice that gains influence
Wow, it's like she's trying to teach you something in the game and is happy that you are able to acknowledge and understand her teachings.
>whereas I've given specific examples backing up my point
Actually you haven't. You made a broad statement saying she only did this or that and then I said otherwise and now you're backpedaling.
>but it doesn't give you LS points
It usually doesn't give you DS points either unless you're a dick to them about it.
>on the contrary
>cites a part of the game that backs up my point instead
To get what you needed to done while being as beneficial to yourself as possible, fucking those people over was required. How that isn't what I said is beyond me.
Can we all agree that Revan was the greatest Sith Lord there ever was?
>>343814627
I have played on one of these, and I couldn't figure out what the middle button did
>>343825014
Agreed
10 months old!
https://youtu.be/Fg0R2dkAUPw
>>343812610
>KOTOR 1
>Obsidian
God, you can't imagine, how I hate /neo/v
>>343824806
>Actually you haven't.
Fine then.
Rejecting her teachings on strength when Hanharr is present and saying the only power you need is yourself. Saying you'll treat Handmaiden as a tool. Saying you'll watch Handmaiden carefully. Saying you'll view Kreia herself as disposable. Saying you'll accept her teaching if it brings you power. Saying you'll help Azkul. Saying Ajunta Pall was a fool. Getting the droid merchant to give you a discount. Convincing the sick refugee to kill himself. Convincing the wanted refugee to give himself up. Convincing the mother to give herself to the Exchange to be with her daughter. Convincing the separated husband to give up on his wife and work for the Exchange. Turning the Dantooine spy's data over to Azkul. Telling the mercenaries to send Vrook to Nar Shaddaa. Convincing the temple raider to leave his hideout and get himself killed by bugs. Every single one of those are actions that both give dark side affinity and raise influence with Kreia.
Saying you want sacrifice Visas. Saying you don't see Handmaiden as an enemy. Saying you won't turn on or abandon your allies. Saying you'll help Visas. Saying you'll protect Kreia. Telling Azkul you'll stop him. Breaking up the attempted shakedown of a refugee with nobody dying. Healing the sick refugee. Persuading the Exchange boss to let the girl go for a low amount of credits. Helping the husband and wife get back together. Not turning in the droid sabotager on Koonda. Letting Tobin go on the Ravager. All of those are actions that both give light side affinity and lower influence with Kreia.
There are no other situations, beyond the Korriban dialogue that I've repeatedly mentioned, where you both gain influence and light side affinity at the same time. The only "evidence" you've provided to the contrary involves committing two separate actions, in which the light side action decreases influence unless you immediately say you'll consider her advice.
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