>"competetive" Overwatch
I don't get it.
>>343768870
Out of 21 heroes only 3 are used. Look at the team comps.
>>343768326
Ster's decreasing enthusiasm for this game's incredible amount of bullshit is hilarious to see.
>>343768870
Both teams have the exact same composition.
>>343768985
I hope he goes back to playing real games soon so I can resubscribe to him
>>343769192
Yeah. His streams show how boring he is without editing.
>>343768326
You can't really say both compositions are the same when the two Wintsons are right next to each other on the right but aren't on the left.
So it's technically different.
>>343769376
I've found that's the case with every YouTube personality.
I've been a long time fan ofDunkeybecause of how original he is, but watching him in a stream is the most painful experience
>>343769442
Overbait much?
They need to implement class limits to competitive. Unless they do that it's going to be double Lucio for every team, MAYBE a Mercy once in a while.
HotS is more interesting to watch than OW.
>>343768985
Well, with all the hype he had for it, it's understandable. Did he say anything specific? (I don't watch his stream and stopped giving a shit since he doesn't upload anything.)
>>343769546
Wowwowwow, easy.
>>343768326
What were you expecting from an FPS with MMO influence?
>Tank
>Healer
>DPS
That's literally it, only doubled because of team size
>>343769535
No caps. Make it that double picks have diminishing returns (e.g. 2 Lucio's healing the same space for 70% of the regular heals or 2 anything's have longer skill cooldowns). But that actually requires a bit of intelligence and balancing, so it won't happen.
>>343768326
how is this competitive?
Do the players lose rank if they lose in these tournaments?
>>343769601
He uploads OW videos on his other channel, i think it's youtube/ster2
>>343769756
are you retarded
>>343769535
>play beta
>claim Lucio is overpowered
>"no anon, he's good, but there are situations where other healers are better."
>play at launch
>claim Lucio is overpowered
>"no anon, he's good, but sometimes you just need a mercy."
>competitive is released
>"HOLY FUCK LUCIO IS OVERPOWERED, SOMEBODY NERF THIS BANANA NIGGER!"
It feels good being right sometimes.
>>343769535
Class limits won't change much. Because there are no different weapons the meta will always consist of the same 6 heroes.
>>343768326
holy SHIT
>>343769756
>how are tournaments competitive
>>343768326
>>343768985
>>343769192
>>343769601
Who is this ster person?
>>343769725
double lucio heal doesn't stack. Most likely one runs heal the other speed or dual heal if they split up and they'd alternate the amped healing
>>343769192
don't worry, I don't think he's uploaded anything to his main channel in over a month anyway
Said it in a thread a week ago.
TF2 doesn't have this problem because every class fills its own niche, is unique and can be in a format where you need one of each or can pick which you want with a few limits.
Overwatch will always be a case of "this character is the best Tank/Healer/DPS so never pick anything but multiple copies of them", and certain characters will go unused because their niche is filled by another, better.
>>343768326
Anyone who expected some serious competetive action in a game as casual as Overwatch is a deluded fool.
It's as simple as it gets, it's fun, but the thought of creating any kind of competetive league and casting those matches sounds laughable.
>>343769991
YouTuber popular for playing TF2 and being an okay soldier
Buff Zenyatta's mobility somehow. He can't do shit against a half decent Tracer or Genji.
>>343769851
Lucio isn't overpowered at all, he's just a really fucking great character and essential to almost any team just like a Mercy is. But having two Lucios with two amped up heals turns matches into a total slog.
>>343770056
but 6v6 comp is almost always 2 scouts/ 2 soldiers/ 1 demo/ 1 medic, and the latter two are specifically limited to 1 because they're too good in multiples
>>343769851
>Lucio
>overpowered
In what universe? His heal is simply too slow on its own, and he's squishy and easily cornered by winston, tracer and genji. Mercy has the strongest heal in the game and the fact that you can focus it on one person does MORE in a team-fight than Lucio's piddly AOE heal, which still has his teammates drop in an extra hit or two. Also, Mercy has a fantastic escape option, which makes her a bit trickier than Lucio to kill AND her ult charges incredibly quickly and often turns the tide of battles. Zenyatta is the only questionable healer, but he should never ever be a sole healer in any situation.
>>343769601
Here's his other tweet.
>>343769991
Old TF2/whatever youtuber. Made pretty great and funny videos desu.
Nowadays he's just another boring OW streamer.
>>343770056
Don't pretend TF2 comp wasn't just
Medic-Scout-Soldier-Demo-Sniper
>>343768326
why 2 lucios? auras don't stack
>>343769991
Guy on Youtube who played a lot of tf2 including in tournies. Then he was one of many tf2 youtubers that Blizzard decided to entice with access to the Overwatch beta around a year ago.
>>343768326
>memewatch has worse meta than wow
JUST
>people just now realizing how casual and retarded this game is
>>343769546
That's going too far.
>>343770254
>TF2 comp
>Sniper
>>343770254
>5 classes out of 9
Not bad compared to 3 classes out of 22.
>>343768326
What do people even see in overwatch?
Im not trying to shitpost just a question, i played the beta but got bored after a few hours. Matches only last 5-10mins because the forced 6v6 only.
I would understand if they let you 20v20 or at least 15v15 but only 6v6? It gets boring way too fast
>>343770268
>two different auras up
>or spread out the healing
>time ults to chain together
>he's still hard as fuck to hit, especially with two winston bubbles constantly being up, meaning he's great at contesting those points
>>343769535
I'm really unsure if the entire initial concept isn't to blame.
Let's be honest here: Overwatch is TF2 + a MOBA. Rather than 9 classes with customizable loadouts, we have 21 characters which each represent a different way a class might be played (melee tank vs. bullet spam tank). And honestly, that's an alright concept. Each character is specifically designed for a given playstyle, rather than some weird combinations just being discovered to work (demoknight) but utterly undermines the original point of that class.
However, it also has MOBA influences, and what do most MOBA have? Hero picks. Each team is asymmetrical and can't have the same heroes. So you end up with certain combinations being good against other combinations and some nice interplay between them all.
Overwatch's problem is that it needs to choose. It cannot have both. You either have a setup like TF2 (pick from classes, can have duplicates, each class has a purpose) or you can have a setup like MOBA (hero picks).
Of course, the latter would require more heroes than what we have right now, and it'd instantly draw comparisons to DOTA2. And they'd have to do more work, of course, and it'd fuck up the balance even more.
Overwatch isn't bad or a clone of anything, not what I'm saying, but it doesn't know what it is yet. It wants to be something new, but most things aren't original to begin with. It needs to focus on what works.
>>343770268
constant speed and constant heals. since they're in communication with eachother, they can alternate auras between amp ups as needed.
>>343770268
>heal + speed
>alternating amp it up heal
>double heal for splitting up lucio+winston+tracer
>>343770413
TF2 bab detected
>>343770246
kek
>>343770368
occasionally one scout will switch out for sniper, I think it's based on how good a given map/point's sight lines are
>>343770278
He stopped playing tf2 long before overwatch beta came out.
>>343768326
Isn't this old?
This comp doesn't work anymore now that people have learned to use 76/Reaper
KOTH is much more varied
>>343770192
Yes, but you also often see Spy/Sniper plays, and Pyro/Engie/Heavt when defending last. Also, people use different weapons. For example there are some Demo mains that use booties instead of pipes, trading off mobility for firepower. Some soldiers use shotgun, one medic runs often crits/vaccinator, while other use the medigun only. The 6s meta is diverse, even if it doesn't seem so on the outside.
>>343770413
t. tf2 shitter
I never thought there would be anything dumber than competitive tf2, then this came out
>>343770490
OPs image is KOTH anon. Their picks are designed to abuse the overtime mechanic of the game.
>>343770497
Good point, completely forgot about alternate weapons. It's true that stock is generally the most popular option but it can be cool to see direct hit use or otherwise.
>>343770490
It's old because people have put a self imposed ban on it.
>>343770547
>I never thought there would be anything dumber than competitive tf2
You know that competitive vaping is a thing now?
>>343770192
>>343770254
Yes, but you can actually switch them out at times depending on the map to accomplish certain things.
There's literally no reason to pick anything but the highest DPS damage dealer in OW. Or the healer that heals any less than the fastest.
>>343770194
If this were remotely true, then we wouldn't see double Lucio every match.
>>343770254
Heavies on last.
>>343770701
>then we wouldn't see double Lucio every match.
I don't think I've ever seen it. And when I use Winston, I'm always sure to punish the fuck out of him.
>>343770537
Overwatch is distinctly the more causal game.
>>343770490
No. These comps were used yesterday
>casual overwatch
>>343769192
I'm just waiting for jermas next big video.
>>343770347
>Thought Overwatch sounded interesting
>Watched beta gameplay
>Pharah's jetpack
>Junkrat's ult and satchel jumps
>Roadhog's health and massive heal
>Reinhardt's shield
>Mercy's ult
>nope
>tfw you didn't buy it and hype is already dying
>>343770795
Your point would be valid of we weren't discussing the high level competitive and not Quick-Play for Golden Guns.
>>343770246
ster is getting redpilled?
>>343770592
And that doesn't happen anymore because a single Reaper with support deletes Winstons/Tracers
Here's a KOTH from the last alienware tourney
>>343770857
Link? IIRC neither of those teams place very high
>>343770932
You should watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWBCR8Q24k
>>343770254
And each of those classes had multiple different loadouts.
>Blizzard once again killed their own game
Fucking kek.
>>343771067
I'm not sure that he was ever a huge fan of competitive TF2 either, or if he was it was a relatively brief period.
>>343770862
>implying hero switch dont happen in comp. OW
But of course, lets just nitpick that one picture from OP
>>343771095
nah, comp TF2 players generally stick with stock weapons
>>343770828
I think both games are laughable in terms of competitiveness but tf2 is even more casual.
>>343771081
Did that alienware tourny allow hero stacking or not?
The more I play this game, the more I wish BF1 was out. Or I just feel like going back to csgo.
>>343771081
gosugamers/v/76033375
05:23:41 for C9 vs Galeforce double winston/lucio/tracer mirror
>>343771207
Did you misread the post that other post was pointing to? Not only do you have class switches in TF2, you have slot variability.
>>343768326
Come back Star_
>>343771220
>tf2 is even more casual
The existence of fall damage and ammunition alone kinda invalidates this.
>caring about the integrity of "esports"
>wahh overwatch is too casual
>muh competitiveness
why are gamurs so enamored with the idea of their hobby being taken seriously as a sport?
fucking league of legends and cs:go are the most popular games and they're both entry level shit. low skill requirement and how casual it is obviously has no bearing on how popular a game can get as an esport
>>343771216
I find that incredibly hard to believe unless there were rules that demanded it.
Even things like Natasha have their uses.
>>343771180
He's 1v1'd competitive soldier players and took part in youtubers vs. comp team matcheshe got annihilated in both, they all did
>>343771220
you're an idiot
>>343771216
>generally
Key word. At least half the teams in ETF2L prem also use non-stock/regular weapons.
>>343770192
That's only because comp players and various leagues enforced that as the only viable setup for years and banned anyone else that thought differently. TF2 competitive scene has been a closed-minded club of shitters that hate actual competition and strategy for a long time now.
>>343771054
>10 million + people playing
>TF2 peak 116k now 65k and still getting less and less people each year.
>>343771445
who mentioned TF2
>>343771315
Because you say so?
>>343771445
10 million unique players, not playing all at once, dipshit
>>343771339
This holy shit.
What the fuck happened. Nowadays if the game doesnt have competitive scene then its shit.
>>343771445
>argument from popularity
So what changes would you make to the classes so that stuff like this happens it can be anything except making it so that Lucio's aura boost takes longer to recharge
>>343771339
>why are gamurs so enamored with the idea of their hobby being taken seriously as a sport?
Because that benefits gameplay balance and quality, nothing is more fun than a non-shitty shooter with equal ground for any player where the only thing that matters is skill.
eSports is cancer, but at least it benefits game design (when they try, unlike Blizzard).
>>343771278
Unknown
>>343771304
Sigh fucking niggers
This shit needs to be fixed, just when I thought the scene was diversifying
>>343771518
Well you just said so in your own post while giving even less reasoning.
>>343768326
>>343768870
This is what happens when the game is shit and people play it for money, they go for the win
and in KOTH, you need mobility to contest the shitty overtime rules
>>343771220
>Movement inspired by Quake
Yea roight m8
>>343771445
Are you actually retarded enough to think that 10 million are playing right now?
10 million people bought the game. This is also split between 3 platforms.
According to steamspy, TF2 had 2 million active players in the last two weeks. And that number is growing.
>TF2 fags are STILL butthurt
Competitive was released less than a week ago and balance isnt perfect!? Wow!
Keep crying faggots, OW is one of the iggest games rn and is only growing
>>343771518
Kill yourself
not the anon you replied to btw
>buying Skyrim: Multiplayer Edition
kek
>>343771339
I don't care about esports, but matches were the game is taken as seriously as possible are always fun to see, and they really test out the capabilities of the game
>>343771054
>>Watched beta gameplay
>>Pharah's jetpack
>>Junkrat's ult and satchel jumps
>>Roadhog's health and massive heal
>>Reinhardt's shield
There's plenty of shitty/annoying things in this game but your list is absolutely not any of those things you dumb cunt.
Like what, how is Pharah's jetpack what turns you off instead of her q of the game?
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343771670
>People were playing the exact same game for months and Blizzard ignores almost all imbalance
>>343771067
Someone asked him to go back to playing TF2 and he said fuck off. So no.
>>343770929
Holy fuck, it's THAT bad? Why is there absolutely no form of matchmaking in casual?
>>343771216
That's generally because of how valve balances the game. You play comp to win, so when valve has a balance policy of stock is best, everything else is just a sidegrade only beating stock in certain situations, you'll go stock. Although people do use different weapons in highlander.
All you faggots are ignoring the fact that this is only a thing on KotH maps. All other game types have diverse picks to choose from. But no, all the TF2 shitters are coming out of the woodwork to act like their dying game is any better when class stacking in that game was just as bad on certain maps.
>>343771339
Because people can't stand anything becoming popular. They want the most boring games because they are "complex" and they require "strategies" go watch a Chess tournament if you want that.
It's one of the reasons why Football is the most popular sport to watch, it's simple and fun.
>>343771718
I'm not the kind of casual retard who's going to complain about Tracer
Roadhog is an unstoppable juggernaut, Reinhardt is almost necessary to push and the team gathers around him, being able to kill half the team from around a corner with Junkrat's ult is retarded, and I'm used to characters with powerful weapons having to be good to maneuver, not them having a jetpack and a satchel they're invulnerable to
>>343771763
They didnt though, theyve already fixed both McCree and Widow
They also nerfed Zenyatta heavily which was kinda stupid but yeah Zen needed a nerf from the beta
Plenty of stuff was fixed from the beta, but even Jeff Kaplan himself said that it will probably require 1-2 seasons of competitive mode to get the balance the way they want it to be, which is a reasonable statement
>>343771352
Many alternate weapons are banned from official comps
>>343768326
This only happens in koth.
>>343770194
>>343770701
Single Lucio is mediocre. Double Lucio is good.
>>343771689
>Skyrim: Multiplayer Edition
The fuck is wrong with you anon?It's clearly Farcry 3: Multiplayer Edition
>>343771591
>fun is worse than muh comp balance
So Serious Sam, UT99, any and all build 3 games, System Shock, Deus Ex, Half Life, Terminator: future shock, Hexen, Wolfenstein:ET and dozens if not hundreds of other FPS games aren't allowed to exist because everything should be Q3?
Neck yourself my man.
>>343771906
This. Mobility is key on KOTH maps and these heroes just happen to have the best mobility.
Lucio is pretty much the only mobile support.
D.va would probably get picked if she was buffed.
Genji not being picked is the real question, although Tracer still beats him in mobility.
>>343770302
FUCKING BASKETBALLS HANZO IS HORSESHIT
>>343771979
Junkrat's ult sucks though. At low level people die to it like crazy, but once you start playing with people in most cases it'll be destroyed before it's near anyone.
>>343771979
Literally git gud you shitter
Just learn how to counter heroes
>>343771828
He's been playing the same fucking game for 6-7 years now. Prolly having to play for more than 5 hours a day to make videos. I would actually be surprised if he didn't tell him to fuck off
>>343771339
Low entry point sure but god luck vs some high diamonds or challenger players in LoL.
You will not even see them coming
>>343769535
We mercy's are in competitive you know.
>>343772121
We're talking about online shooters here, you fucking retard.
>>343769725
That's retarded.
Blizzard should do what they should of done in the first place.
Make characters versatile. Stop trying to balance the game based off counter picking and make it a situational pick focused game. Make every character extremely strong. Take out obvious shitty weaknesses and improve their skillset.
Solider, Pyro, Scout, Heavy, and Demoman are all extremely versitile. Heavy and Medic can take out a sentry, but so can Pyro and Medic and so can Demoman by himself and Solider by himself or with Medic and fucking scout and one other can take out multiple sentries, no medic necessary.
TF2 during class specific updates is the perfect example of how a game like this should be treated. This games classes are so niche and worthless, and the concept of ults is so stupid that it means to properly balance it they would eventually have to reduce them to pure AoS characters that only are useful for skills and can't do shit with their left click.
Not only that, but the maps are the most imbalanced shit I've ever seen. I really wonder from the competitive playtest what the fuck Blizzard actually does with playtest data.
>>343770056
Its going to get worse when more characters are added. There aren't many if any niches left to fill. They'll have to be really careful with the balance.
>>343771419
You know literally nothing about comp tf2, shut the fuck up you stupid ignorant shitposting nigger fuck
No classes or team comps were ever banned in tf2, those are the standard team comps because those are objectively the best fragging classes
>>343772327
And almost all those games have online play, you fucking retard.
Hurry up with that noose.
>>343772314
>pick a dps character
>get enough kills then switch to mercy
>healing done
Kek
>>343772072
They didn't fix McCree, they nerfed him. Now he has issues going the other way.
Zen is messed up worse now though.
It really makes you think huh?
>>343772465
Okay, but only if you do it, too.
>>343772564
hopefully id wont fuck up quake champions
>>343771164
fuck off jew
Overwatch will be fucked when they add their newest hero.
>>343772526
Nope.
Mercy the entire game.
I have it recorded but OBS borked the sound.
Mercy has higher DPS than Captain America but less than Phariah.
>>343772251
I know how to counter heroes
The problem is that rock-paper-scissors is three things, and Overwatch has 21 heroes
>Guys lets get rid of the hero limit what can go wrong.
>>343771847
Theres not in competetive either. I'm ranked 73 and I will still get matched up with 30s and 40s
>>343768326
>game meta is more stale than league
lmao it also plays like a moba
>calling a commentator a caster
>>343771339
CS:GO has a very high skill ceiling. I know you don't like it, and are probably going to respond with some laughing anime girl and a >high skill ceiling while posting that deagle webm, but it does.
And when people are competitive in games, it makes an opportunity to get more balanced games. The reason this game is a joke is because they can't decide if they want to focus on one or the other and are doing both like shit.
>>343770413
>What do people even see in overwatch?
fun
>>343772638
they will fuck it up, any game that comes from a big studio will inevitably be ruined
>>343772638
They declared that it will be a hero shooter so don't hold your breath
>>343772863
DOOM wasn't ruined
2x Lucio 4x Zarya is the best comp
>>343772662
I don't even know how you design a new tank to be a pickable hero when Zarya is a tank/support who does splash damage and has one of the biggest game changing mindless ults. Winston has mobility and chasing with a shield. Reinhardt has THE shield, and D'Va has mobility and is about to get a buff.
You would have to make someone do one of these jobs just better to make people choose the new one over the olds ones.
Competitive autism ruins non-competitive games all the time.
Compfags need to stick with fighting games (NOT Smash Bros), Counter Strike, or their shitty little MOBAs.
Leave other games to people who actually like having fun and aren't obsessed with trying to validate their hobby through esports shilling.
>>343772914
Doom's MP was god awful and Quake is going to be a MP only game.
>>343772763
All this post proves to me is the new Quake is going to be shit.
>>343772542
Yes and that fixed McCree
>>343772678
Nice buzzwords
You obviously dont know how to counter heroes If you think that Junkrats ult, one of the worst ults in the game, is unbalanced or stupid
>>343768326
That's what happens in competitive play. People take what is considered OP and sticks with it until someone finds something even more OP or it gets nerfed.
>>343772334
I like you
>>343772914
while doom isn't completely terrible it is way worse off for pandering to more casual players and console players
>>343771315
>random crits
>>343772996
DOOM's MP was outsourced to another company, ID only worked on the singeplayer
>>343772526
>48 blaster kills
wow ur gud at reeding
>>343772464
Not that anon but your a fucking retard.
>Best fragging classes
>best fragging
>fragging
How long you've played tf2? 32 hours? 50 hours?
The best classes in the game are the classes which are the most mobile. Demoman, soldier and scout are all extremely mobile. Heavy himself can dish some serious damage but he's just a fucking target when he's revved up and a single headshot can make him lose half his health
>>343772314
>We mercy's are in competitive you know.
Yeah no shit, look at those skill levels
>>343773115
And the Sp was still bad.
>>343772638
It's going to be a hero shooter so it's going to be shit.
The most valuable thing in a FPS, and in life in general is speed and maneuverability. In games of input skill this is all that's ever going to matter. The best character will always be the fastest one with the most options to move in special ways.
Hell that is why you can't even put tanks on the ground in real life unless you control the air. Will instantly get btfo by jets or helicopters because they have more freedom of movement. And hey, even in a game like this tanks are btfo.
>>343773059
>nice buzzwords
I didn't even use a fucking buzzword, what?
Any of the heroes in the game can shoot junkrat's wheel, are you sure you know what "counter" means?
>>343772334
t. valvedrone
>It's a /v/ pretend any shooter with a large selection of classes sees more than a handful used in comp play
were you also bitching about soldier fortress 2?
>>343773209
I placed at 47. :^)
Now its my goal to get to lvl 1.
the lowest I can seem to get is 35 before bieing a shitter with hanzo wins and doesn't lose matches anymore.
>>343773252
nice response
>>343772825
They're called Screamlords.
>>343773346
so was this >>343773079
>>343773209
The average comp is usually running a Mercy and a Lucio. Usually they run the Lucio so Mercy can pocket a DPS so she doesn't have to worry about healing as much.
That and her ult is the most broken ult in the game.
KOTH is where Lucio shines because Mercy just isn't as mobile as Lucio.
>>343773252
>Thinking you can prove a four paragraph post wrong with a buzzword
WEW
>>343773419
are you okay
>>343773294
you mean scout fortress 2?
you mean demo fortress 2?
>>343773294
The only useless class in TF2 was Spy idiot.
>>343773485
The by far most popular and default cookie-cutter setup in comp play was 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, 1 demo and 1 medic.
>>343773294
>it's a "/v/ makes a sweeping generalisation in an attempt to distract from a blizzard game's flaws when really the statement only applies to like 1 other shooter with a selection of classes" episode
>>343773469
His post consisted entirely of buzzwords
>>343773294
>9 classes
>4 often used in competitive, 3 more are used on occasion
>7 out of 9 classes see competitive play
>this is comparable to a game with 21 classes
>>343772314
>level 369
>rank 37
wow what a shitter
>>343773645
You telling me that people weren't playing the 21 other classes in Team Fortre- oh wait, there are only 9.
>>343773485
Let's be honest. If there were no limits to class picks everyone would just play Medic and Demoman.
>>343773868
playing demoman at a competitive level is harder than playing any hero in overwatch
>>343772334
>should of
>Caring about e-sports
No thanks. When this starts happening in ranked mode maybe I'll be mad
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343771703
>>343772334
You're basically praising blizzard for what they did with wow after WotLK - homogenization.
>>343774225
no bully
>>343771863
How the fuck do you miss the toilet like that?
/v/ has been bashing the smash community for years for taking a "casual party game" seriously, but when it comes to Overwatch that's fine. Why the double standards?
>>343774282
MMO's are dog shit non skill based stat filters so I don't give a shit about that nor do I play shitty pay to play games like that.
But homogenization of ability IS good in FPS because FPS are about the individuals skills. Most classes should be as capable as others.
>tfw Overwatch made me realize that I hate FPS games that have "abilities"
I'm not saying Overwatch is a bad game but it's just not for me. I prefer a more "boring" FPS game where movement and aiming is more important than abilities and luck (netcode etc.). Sadly, I don't know of any modern FPS games that suit my preference. Squad and Insurgency look pretty good I guess.
>>343774542
buyer's regret
doubt most teenagers have a wii
so what? I don't play or watch these e-sports.
The handful of autismos who do will always try and stretch and push shit to be OP as fuck, unless every team in ranked starts running the same comp then it doesn't mean shit.
>>343768326
That match actually looks like it would be hilariously interesting to watch...
>>343774630
>FPS are about the individuals skills
except in overwatch it's all about team composition, synergy and coordination
>>343769851
overpowered and being the a godly support and in some type of maps the best support are different things
>>343772334
The thing is, if you just male everyone super versatile, you'll just end up like league where everyone is the same and you only pick based on who riot forgot to readjust numbers on the last time they nerfed half the roster.
>>343771164
Why would i want bad games and jewery?
>>343774542
Nobody here takes Overwatch seriously, but they take TF2 seriously because they are Valvedrones.
>>343774670
>Even quake is becoming a class based shooter
>FPS will never be based off high skill ceiling hardcore abilities again because most people can never get good enough to properly play them
What the fuck happened? People even say Overwatch is fast when you walk slower than in CS:GO.
>>343774780
It was neither hilarious nor interesting. Just boring.
>>343774542
>/v/ is one person
Casual faggots need to fuck off from Smash and Overwatch both, in my opinion. This is coming from a Street Fighter faggot who plays more casual games for the fun of it. If you wanna get competitive, pick up a game that's meant for it, don't force your autism where it doesn't belong. Even Pokemon has a competitive scene these days and that's just pathetic.
>>343774832
No. It's about picking the guy who makes you move fast while also heal all the time and picking a character with a very high DPS when you just aim and shoot as much as possible, while also moving very fast.
The way people stop this is by picking other characters that can move very fast, which just so happens to be the exact same character.
>>343768326
Ster mentioned it in one of his streams how retarded this was, and that Blizzard should enfore a one hero limit for competitive.
>>343771445
>le 10 million playing meme
Fucking retarded blizzdrone, KYS
>>343774780
Its just both teams trying to put bodies on the point to exploit being able to reset overtime constantly. This shit happens in pubs all the time, people just swap to Tracer or D'Va at the very end.
>>343774780
It isn't. You can barely see what's going on. All you see are gorillas constantly jumping around and dropping their shield all over the place - imagine being able to see anything behind 4 shields. Then you have 4 tracers blicking so much you can't even spectate them properly. Lastly you have lucios which are the only ones skating around.
It's basically a poke constest between tracers and gorillas slapping each others while the lucios skate around healing everyone in a never ending battle.
>>343774839
Except this isn't a AoS and it's closer to an arena shooter so that would not happen.
In LoL characters do all the work for you if you remember to press qwer at the right times. The actual skill of input is basically non-existant.
>>343772464
Spotted the esea 6's shitter.
Class restrictions, weapon restrictions, and unofficial "offclassing" bans have been a part of the tf2 competitive scene for years. The 6's community is nothing but a good-old-boys club for players that hate actual competition and fanboys to fawn over wannabe ecelebs.
When official TF2 matchmaking was first announced, the 6's community immediately went to their soapboxes to cry and demand weapon bans and class limits under the excuse that certain class comps and weapons would cause stale gameplay, when the reality is that extreme class and item restrictions is what has caused stale gameplay and why TF2 never took off as a successful esport.
>>343774779
>unless every team in ranked starts running the same comp then it doesn't mean shit
Everyone already does, low rank shitter. It has been this way even before ranked.
>>343768985
This is my favorite part of it all. He was the biggest shill I knew of for Overwatch, long before the general public got to play it.
>>343772114
I'm referring to the fanbase and how popular it is despite the fact that it's shallow and dumbed down.
They should honestly just make you pick your character before finding a match so a semi decent team can be put together
I'm not a shill but:
>Counter-Strike
>Slow and methodical
>Suitable for e-sports because even retards can understand that there are two teams and you shoot your gun to kill the other team
>Overwatch
>Fast and chaotic
>Not suitable for e-sports because there's so much fucking shit going on, so many ability effects blocking your view that nobody will understand what the fuck is going on
>>343771847
Player rank is meaningless, matchmaking in casual is determined by hidden mmr. Though this goes out the window when you're dealing with 6 man premades.
>>343771847
did you noticed how he didn't showed the names?
probably premade team
>>343774862
>I can't read
>>343772853
Then please explain why do you think Overwatch is fun. Saying that something is "fun" is a non-argument.
>>343775530
ability effects don't really block your view though. If you want an example of that look at battleborn
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343775617
i play with my friends and have a blast
>>343774984
How about we balance heroes instead?
>>343772763
lmao 5tracer
5tracer!!!!
>>343775530
since league of legends cancer, every fucking game pushes e-sports shit
it's fucking disgusting
>>343773106
They are off by default in competetive mode. So is damage and bullet spread.
>>343768870
Stacking low skill heroes, since they are more consistent picks due to requiring less user input
The comp in the OP is the perfect cancerous 0 skill comp, here's how it works:
>tracer has no way to lose to lucios even if she's much worse 1v1
>the worst winston will fend off the best tracers no matter what, 0 skill involved
>lucio has an auto-heal aoe aura that nullifies most of winston damage
That's it. This comp almost has the same technical skill of a moba, except the strategy portion is super simplified compared to mobas' maps/items/gameplans etc.
Blizzard has turned a shooter running on a shooter engine into a more simplified version of dota with their dogshit balance philosophy alone. The mechanics are all theoretically there, you just should not pick around them or you have more chances of losing, you are encouraged to pick auto-pilot shit.
It's typical blizzard sucking shit at balance and ruining their own games.
>>343775617
o look it's this robofag again
>please explain emotions to me
>>343775026
nice refutal, but you missed some more memes to further prove your point.
>>343773115
Here's the wonderful company that is developing Quake Champions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saber_Interactive
The game is going to be complete shit.
>>343774670
>Sadly, I don't know of any modern FPS games that suit my preference
Unreal Tournament 4, you retard.
>>343775530
you're not incorrect. CSGO's esports scene is a bizarre chimera of match fixing, gambling, and people idling for item drops, though. it's very messy and shady compared to the other Valve esports scene in Dota 2.
>>343768326
This is a game about counters isn't it?
Why isn't one team switching to double of whatever counters each character there?
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343775242
Lol ok. I'm rank 62 and I've never ran into this set up
>>343775756
>>Blizzard has turned a shooter running on a shooter engine into a more simplified version of dota with their dogshit balance philosophy alone.
I was genuinely surprised that Overwatch feels more like a MOBA instead of a shooter.
>>343775930
the best counter is the same character
>>343775530
>Overwatch
>fast
Nigga wat. One of my main problems when playing the beta was how damn slow the game was and how much it lacked mobility.
>>343768326
Im just completely ignoring that side fo the game and hoping for a an vs. Machine Mode to come along where I can play this game along side friends.
>>343775756
AYYYY
They're all just stalling forever with the retarded overtime mechanic waiting for someone to fuck up or hit a lucky ult.
>>343771651
10>2
>>343775930
the best way to counter the perfect comp is to use the perfect comp
nice game blizztards
>>343775868
Isn't UT4 pretty much dead?
>>343775930
its a KOTH match, you can force overtime by having a player in the point, both teamcomps rely on having atleast one player to stale the match until someone commits an error
>>343775756
Tracer has arguably the highest skill ceiling of the cast.
It's not about what class is easy to use, it's utility
>>343775756
Overwatch as a whole is designed around those situations you described. It's glorified rock-paper-scissors with no actual balancing. since Blizzard expects you to just switch away from a character if you encounter your scissors' rock.
>>343775930
Those three characters are the best counters to not only each other but also themselves.
>>343775772
>Please explain why do you feel those emotions
>>343775930
They did. They both went double Winston.
Why doesn't one of them go reaper if there's two winstons
>>343776019
Okay, enjoy your rank 4- I mean 62.
