How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?
>>343766782
It doesn't need saving.
>make one not so good title
>wow the series is dead
>>343766782
Remake of Tales of Phantasia on PC with mod support and not 60EUR price tag.
>>343766782
Make another Tales with 2D combat like Destiny Director's Cut
>>343766782
By porting Vesperia, Abyss and Xillia to PC. Also change the combat back to side scrolling like Symph, Vesp and Abyss. Zestiria would have been fine with its combat, but the forced fusion, Seraphim and needlessly complex equipment system ruined it. Hope it gets cut from Berseria and replaced with a more traditional Tales combat system.
>>343766782
Make an anime adaption of one of the worst games in the series.
Save it? Even the worst Tales game is a more than decent game. This series is the GOAT JRPG franchise.
But how the fuck do we save Final Fantasy?
>>343767897
They have.
>>343766782
Tales of /ss/ is already going to save it
>>343767449
>>343767692
>>343767793
Stop it with ports and remakes, we want fresh new Tales of games, and the new ones are meh
do what Star Ocean did
Stop rehashing the same general story, and get in a 3rd and 4th character designer/art director.
>>343768303
Fail catastrophically on every front?
>>343766782
Reprint Vesperia PS3 and Destiny DC.
Make Xillia 2 2.0 and Destiny DC 2.0 for handhelds.
>>343768303
Wasn't that game pretty bad and also really short?
actually give a shit and focus on making good dungeons.
>>343768375
get out
>>343766782
Fire Baba, that is literally the only solution
>>343768378
You guys are the reason why jews are rich
>>343768450
He's not wrong
needs to go back to multiple love interests
>tfw that delicious /ss/ Lloyd and Raine in Symphonia
>>343768303
Fanservice alone won't carry a really fucking short and shitty rpg and you would know it if you weren't a retarded console warrior
>>343768375
>>343768402
>I trust ign to tell me what game is good or not
>>343768378
>>343767793
>>343767449
>People asking for ports and remakes of games everyone has already played
When will this meme end?
>>343768571
what is neptunia then?
>>343768219
I don't want a remake, I'm just fucking tired of 3D combat, I miss 2D combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_-jFgxlxZ0
>>343768627
What the fuck do I care about IGN you jackass, I played all other SO games, I know how this franchise usually goes, have YOU played any other games outside of this one? If your only argument in its favor is to ignore some retarded reviewer there is no saving the fucking game
>>343768678
I've only played Symphonia years ago. I don't own any consoles now so I'd love ports of the games I missed out on.
>>343768726
A game that everyone agrees is shitty and that reuses as much assets as possible to save their shoe string budget? Or are you going to try and say that its a incredible game now?
>>343767381
>one
bitch, tales hasn't been good since tales of vesperia, that's 4 shitty game
>>343768678
This.
REBIRTH WHEN?
>>343766782
Change the outdated battle system.
>>343768847
no I'm saying that, for what it's worth, Neptunia games aren't doing half bad sales wise, and the games are just fanservice and weebshit
Make the games like Symphonia.
>>343766782
Abyss battle system
No more fujo bait
Done
>>343768751
compared to SO4 it's a massive improvement
>>343766782
Increase the homo
>>343768878
Xillia was fun though
>>343766782
They already saved it by starting to release games on PC, even Zestiria sold incredibly well. Pushing Baba out helps a lot too.
With SO being slow to catch on and FF15 having a delayed PC port they pretty much have the real JRPG market on PC to themselves, even if their games are average at best it's still going to feed a starving fanbase. If they started porting more of their older titles it would pretty much be free money.
>>343766782
Make sequels to Abyss and Vesperia. Also a Tales of Symphonia 2 that isn't total garbage.
>>343769338
Of course, there is no way for any other gamein the franchise to be as bad and as retarded as 4 was, that is like saying a downs kid is more intelligent than a baby who has anencephaly
, big fucking achievement
Release the games that didn't make it to NA. Please.
Why all the games after Vesperia look like shit? Was cell-shading to expensive or what?
>>343769642
Dawn of the New World was fine.
Use either Graces, Xillia 2 or Hearts R as basis for the combat system.
Add waifus.
Instant success. I'll buy every DLC too!Story fags can go to hell
>>343769690
This. I want to play Tales of Destiny remake!
>>343767381
>one
>Tales of Symphonia was literally the last good one
>13 years ago
the real problem with the games is Hideo Baba that potato faced looking berger.
How is Tales of Xillia? I'm considering getting the double pack with the sequel and I see in this thread that apparently Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperia are the only good ones.
>>343769942
>Hideo Baba
Is everyone named Hideo a fucking hack?
>>343769829
Please elaborate further on your awful opinion. DotNW was trash.
>>343770002
Xillia is okay. Not bad but not extremely good either.
But Xillia 2 is amazing so I'd say go for it.
>>343769642
I actually ended up liking ToS2. Protagonists are trash for 80% of the game, and monster system is awkward, but not TOTALLY awful.
Gameplay is super fun though. Probably the best version of pre-Graces Tales gameplay.
I would like a phantasia remake but I dont think thats ever happening.
Free movement combat > Sidescrolling combat
You know this is true.
>>343770174
>he liked Dawn of the New World
what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>343770265
Graces/Zestiria style movement > free run > pure linear motion system
>>343766782
With ninjas
https://my.mixtape.moe/jgwgoa.webm
Which Tales had the best combat system?
Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?
>>343770565
>Which Tales had the best combat system?
Graces/Xillia 2
>Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?
None
>>343770565
Abyss for combat, Vesperia for everything else.
>>343770265
that would be true if a competent developer made Tales games but since that isn't the case, sidescrolling combat is superior in every way. Easier attack combinations and your attacks wont whiff cause the enemy floated an inch to the left or right.
>>343770565
system. graces. Lacked everything else
Characters. Abyss.
Presentation. Veperia
Story. I dunno symphonia.
>>343766782
You don't. All good things must come to an end.
Hi guys! Heard you want me back!
>>343770439
I'm one of those losers that likes games based on whether I have fun playing them, and not just on objective criticism.
I know, fuck me, right?
>>343770565
Tales of Symphonia
Tales of Symphonia
>>343770737
But Abyss has objectively the worst cast in the series mang
Series is fine by me.
>>343770772
how did you have fun playing Dawn of the New World? Do you generally play many videogames? Did you play the first ToS?
Dawn of the New World is a trial in frustration and fucking terrible game design and story presentation while simultaneously shitting on the greatness of the original Tales of Symphonia.
>>343770818
Vesperia is literally Symphonia 3.0.
>>343770818
ToS has a decent combat system just as a baseline. But pretty much every game after it expanded on and improved the system in a positive way.
I like ToS and understand why it has a place in so many people's hearts, but Abyss/Vesperia/DotNW are straight up improved systems.
Then when you get to Graces and beyond is when the system changes enough to maybe not like it as much.
Who ever thought Armatization was a good idea? This game could have been fun otherwise. Plus fuck that equipment system.
>>343769351
This desu senpai
>>343766782
>Bring back Yoshito Higuchi (director of Team Symphonia games)
>new engine similar to Vesperia with fixed camera angles for the next gen game
>build on Xillia 2's combat but take away main character-centric transformations, use the Hearts R counter mechanic
>fire Sakuraba, Go Shiina becomes main series composer
>if possible bring back Takumi Miyajima to write the scripts
>never let Baba work on anything again
>>343771029
>DOTNW
>IMPROVED COMBAT
you are objectively lying. you are trolling.
you are fucking trolling.
>>343770867
No man. That's Graces. Graces had the run of the mill by the books story are character tropes that the games combat system by no means deserved.
Abyss was nothing but character development.
Each character got more than enough screen time and importance to the story. Even if you didn't like the character they were still the most fleshed out and deep ones in the series.
>>343771039
Fusing wasn't that bad. The weapon/skill system however was completely awful. So bad I even just set everything on easy just so I didn't have to deal with it. And I never set games on easy.
>>343768878
Graces has some the best combat in the series.
>>343766782
ufotable is doing it right now.
Just a matter of time
>>343771260
no
>>343771178
I'll take that. Abyss did have a lot of character moments but I just couldn't enjoy the characters so it made itself kind of redundant.
![Tales of Zestria The X - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.57_[2016.07.03_16.01.21].png](https://i.imgur.com/9Zo9yMz.jpg "Tales of Zestria The X - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.57_[2016.07.03_16.01.21].png")
>>343771289
>shit CGI
>barely any 2D animation
>shit direction
>corny suffering plot that makes Xillia 2 look tame
No
Should I play Tales of Xillia?
>>343771447
Oh god, are you the faggot on /a/ who complains about ufotable's CGI effects despite them looking fantastic, just because
>muh true sakuga
>>343770964
Yes I played ToS. And other than a couple of the voice actor changes inbetween games, all the cameo appearances were enjoyable. Tenebrae is a bro and carries a lot of the admittedly awful cutscenes.
The gameplay was solid. Whether or not you like Emil as a whiny little bitch, he controls in battle really well. Because of the monster system, a large portion of the game feels like it's Emil and backup healer versus the world. Which is a different way to play. However monster system gets really strong late in the game when you can start optimizing things.
Cool interactions in game too. I still vividly remember Richter countering your Hi Ougi in the second fight against him. A huge WTF moment that was cool to experience.
>shitting on the greatness of the original Tales of Symphonia.
ToS had a lot of flaws too. Doesn't mean that either game couldn't be fun.
>>343771470
1st game is literally worthless unless you want to experience a half baked ENVIRONMENT story. Play Xillia 2
![Tales of Zestria The X - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.41_[2016.07.03_16.56.20].png](https://i.imgur.com/2lRYotY.jpg "Tales of Zestria The X - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.41_[2016.07.03_16.56.20].png")
>>343771592
>looking fantastic
>>343771335
>showing a round one of the area with a over leveled character.
Even the best games in the series would looks fucking awful that way.
Cheria does the least fucking damage so the fact she is one shoting everything in that instance means she is well over fucking leveled.
Cool proving fucking nothing.
>>343766782
>How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?
More testosterone
Less fagotry.
I fell for the "tales of" are good games meme and the only ones I liked were Xillia 1&2. Abyss, Zesteria and graces were full on weeboo fagotry.
>>343771714
Yes? Nice dusty desert.
>>343771764
>More testosterone
>Less fagotry.
I agree more manly men!
>>343771764
I don't get it. What makes Xillia 1 & 2 less "anime" than the others? 1 is your typical "SAVE DUH PLANET" JRPG story and 2 is your typical melodramatic fantasy anime.
>>343766782
-Make the graphics look good rather than boring brown and gray like xillia and zestiria
-Have gameplay that actually rewards players for being good rather than let it be super simplified like zestiria
-fix the god damn retarded ai for all games or have better strategy menus so that I can actually control the retarded ai
-have a lot of content like costumes, skits, sidequests, events, optional bosses, extra dungeons, colisium matches, etc
-don't try to rush the products just to meet deadlines and have shitty, unpolished games
>>343771598
i dunno whats wrong with you but DotNW is a much less enjoyable game than the original ToS by all accounts. The animations are worse, the story is worse, the combat is buttawful and terrible, the dungeons are poorly designed with some having up to 1 hour of progress between save points and random retarded hidden super enemies that will likely OHKO you.
like there are far more people who dislike DotNW than enjoy it so it becomes of sory of objective thing that it was a bad game. I really don't understand where you'd have to come from to enjoy it so I cannot even begin to communicate with you properly.
>>343771731
what other tales games do you auto-attack by holding a button?
>>343766782
Port Vesperia, remake Rebirth, Phantasia, and Destiny for PC.
Get rid of the complex skill/stat level charts diagrams (lillium orbs were annoying to manage).
The battle system tries way too hard to be unique or "innovative."
Stop with the ridiculous titles, everything past symphonia is just silly words designed to fill up the alphabet (Graces was okay).
Female characters need better designs, giving them a mini skirt and straps for clothes is lazy and unappealing.
Why is Velvet in the Tales of Zestiria anime?
>>343772323
Eternia and Legendia need remakes way more than those three.
>>343769829
Battle system wasn't bad, but I wanted a tales game not a tales of pokemon with crappy protagonists.
Why does everyone hate on Xillia 1?
It was better than Symphonia.
>>343772323
>lilium orb
>complex
This has got to be bait. You could literally select nodes randomly or have the game choose everything for you and it'd all come out the same in the end.
>>343772262
You think tapping the button constantly some how requires more skill?
Not even going to go into the massive set of combos each character has but show the one straight line combo of the button being held down.
>>343772472
Completely forgot about Legendia, but yeah that too.
>>343772621
almost unplayable boss mechanics (hurrdurr u hit me three times then i bitch slap you with super armor!), lazy reuse of assets where every port and field looks the same, rushed story, palm strike, terrible "dual protagonist" gimmick, linear dungeons with no puzzles, bland ost, ect
>>343772036
>1 is your typical "SAVE DUH PLANET" JRPG
Wow. You just described every Tales of game ever.
>>343766782
>How do we save the 'Tales Of' series?
Uncensored female sexualization
>http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/04/22/tales-of-berseria-velvets-outfit-wont-be-censored-producer-thinks-fans-want-the-original-experience/
>“I promise. Velvet’s costume will surely be the same in the western version. The design of that costume is created by Mutsumi Inomata, and she created that costume based on the character’s concept and setting, and on the storyline.
>>343772870
>rushed story, palm strike, terrible "dual protagonist" gimmick, linear dungeons with no puzzles, bland ost, ect
Can you give me a legit reason and not your personal opinion?
>>343772873
Yeah but the execution in games like Symphonia & Abyss are actually good, whereas Xillia's writing just sucks.
How Zestiria on PS3 compared to PS4? PS3 is cheaper so might get that if not that different.
>>343772750
What about mid story? If you build your characters wrong they will struggle with certain boss fights because they won't have the right artes or low stats. You don't have maximum stats right away.
>>343772163
>like there are far more people who dislike DotNW than enjoy it so it becomes of sory of objective thing that it was a bad game.
That's literally the opposite of objective though.
Like I'm not denying that it's one of the weaker games in the series. No one is saying that DotNW is the BEST TALES OF GAME. All I'm saying is it was still fun and I ended up liking the game.
>animations are worse
I dunno, maybe. Didn't notice.
>story is worse
Completely based on characters. Lloyd was a disappointment and Emil is a pussy most of the game. Once the Emil/Ratatosk conflict picks up and it's a big thing between Richter and Emil, I don't think the story was that awful. Tales games stories are never really that great to be fair. If you don't like the characters, you won't like the story.
>combat is buttawful and terrible
How? It controls well, uses free movement well, and has lots of options. Like, the ONLY thing I can think of that was bad in the combat is that you're restricted to controlling two characters. You're going to have to provide more of a reason for why you hate it than just generalistic hate.
>dungeon poorly designed.
Literally the same dungeons as ToS. Like if you complained that they were rehashes, then you'd have a point. But you hate these dungeons while praising ToS?
>>343772997
i would love to see you defend any of those points
>>343769942
>Tales of Symphonia was the last good one
>Not Tales of the Abyss
>Not Tales of Vesperiadespite its pacing flaws.
It cannot be saved. It's been into the shitter for so long that it has grown a main audience of people that expect it to be shit. To the point where if they released one good game, it'd sell less than usual.
Just let it rot.
>>343773151
What do you mean?
Like defending your personal opinion of the game that i think is wrong?
>>343773103
From my experience the game really isn't difficult enough for that to matter.
>>343772621
>terrible "dual protagonist" gimmick
Who the fuck wants to play as jude? that gimmick makes xillia 1 one of the best selling tales of games, everyone wants to play as milla
>>343773312
i mean, how would you argue that xillia doesn't have terrible dungeons, reused assets up the ass, a phoned in soundtrack, etc
>>343769862
>Story fags can go to hell
It's a fucking RPG series you jackass. If something is gonna take me over 40 hours, there damn well better be decent characters and story to accompany a good game.
All I want is Vesperia to become backwards compatible on the Xbone.
>>343773456
>he can't enjoy a game for it's gameplay more than few hours
Why do you even play games then?
>>343773456
I skipped every cutscene/skit in Xillia 2 and enjoyed it just fine. Tales should be played for the gameplay, not these lazy fighting game-tier stories.
>>343773456
Tales is literally known for having cliche tripe as story. It's all about gameplay and characters.
That's one of the reasons why Xillia 2 is SO much better than Xillia 1. Characters and Gameplay are straight up superior, and those are the two most important things for the series.
>>343773061
H-hello?
>>343771029
>Abyss
>Improved over Symphonia
The only true improvement was manual OL, Free Run was and generaly still is a clunky piece of shit.
They removed master artes so you can only go base>arcane without an skills.
The skill system is shit and without some serious grinding there is no way you would get the good skills like ability plus or super chain on a first play through.
Back attacks no longer guard break.
Magic is blockable, but I can see where some people would like this.
Vesperia is a straight upgrade and DotNW is bogged down by the way they handled skills, makes the games piss easy to break, even on a first play through.
>>343773659
get ps4 version, the ps3 version has unstable framerate and worse colors
>>343770126
Xillia 2 was just a cheep expantion that re-used everything from the first game (enemies, areas, dungens, customs, hell, you even fight the same bosses from the first game all over again).
not saying xilla 2 is bad. its just cheep. i like playing as ludgur but god, he was an awful character. the game forcing you on him also felt cheep.
>>343773589
If i wanted to waste time i'd play an MMO.
>>343773765
Yeah not being able to swap your party in X2 was pretty stupid.
>>343773589
>a game
Nigger can you read? I specifically said RPGs.
>>343766782
Make more Summon Night games with the "Tales of" battle system.
>>343773061
Just pirate it on pc, it's not really worth the money
>>343770565
>Which Tales had the best combat system?
graces F
>Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?
Tales of Symphonia
>>343773923
If I could I would.
>>343773765
I just want a good battle system. I don't care about reused assets at all. I'd sacrifice new assets for more fun gameplay any day.
Xillia 2 made big and small improvements to the first games system and that's all I care about.
>>343773823
>Tales of combat is a waste of time
Stories are even worse. How are they not a waste of time then?
>>343773926
>>Which Tales had the best presentation/story/characters?
>Tales of Symphonia
I hope you are not implying that Loyd, Genis and Collete where good characters.
And Zelos betraying you for the 4th time was a good plot point
>>343773883
>RPGs are not games
Funny
>>343773694
The biggest difference for me was that the camera in Abyss was infinitely better than the one in Symphonia.
>Playing Symphonia with three other people
>>343774112
>Stories are even worse
They didn't used to be. Now the series has lazy gameplay AND lazy stories. The last bastion of hope we have is the characters, and by the looks of it, that's not gonna fix the series either.
The series has gone to shit.
>>343774119
Symphonia had some of the deepest characters in the series, watch the Flannoir cutscenes and the "hallucinations" during that late game dungeon.
>>343771178
Anise and Natalia are pretty shit and don't go through much development, Guy doesn't either but he's at least an enjoyable character and has a good backstory.
>>343774214
Nice reading comprehension faggot
>>343774119
Lloyd is okay if you understand that he's not supposed to be deep or interesting. He's the straight man of the group. Reliably dense.
Genis and Collete are both drags on the otherwise good cast.
>>343774443
So who are the good characters then? Sheena? Come on man.
>>343774434
I guess you missed Natalia's arc with Largo, Guy getting answers about his family's slaughter, getting past his gynophobia to save Anise and ultimately moving on.
>>343773917
Not a good idea since Bamco owns Summon Night now. Any Swordcraft Story follow up would be guaranteed to be garbage.
>>343774714
>Xillia 2 that high
>>343774606
Presea. Duh.
>>343774714
A part of me still finds it hard to believe Abyss is even a Tales game. Its writing, worldbuilding (which was also very consistent), story and character development are miles beyond other games in the series.
Will they ever top it?
>>343774668
I said that the didn't get much development, not they didn't have any. The fact that you summed all they're development in one sentence kinda proves my point.
I'm allowing myself to get hopeful about Bearsy.
If it fixes the problems with Zestiria then it could be fun.
If it's shit then I'm done with this series.
>>343775073
The Main character being aclonewas so predictable it wasnt a plot twist, i feel like the story is overrated af
>>343775129
>I said that the didn't get much development, not they didn't have any
I disagree
>The fact that you summed all they're development in one sentence
I didn't, and you can do that for any character in any work of fiction ever.
>>343774606
Raine, Regal, Zelos are all good characters with good development.
Kratos is edgy but still good.
Presea, Sheena, and Lloyd aren't awful.
Genis is awful.
Collete is embarrassing.
Also Sheena is higher tier if you romance her.But why wouldn't you romance your teacher?
I still haven't managed to force myself through Zestiria.
>>343775384
Colette has great character development, compare how self defeating and suicide-happy she was at the beginning of the game to her later self.
>>343775645
Maybe I just remember incorrectly, but is she ever not a wet blanket?
How to save Tales of:
Don't let Baba touch the fucking games until he's doing being a) a fag and b) hating the West.
Postshitty opinions
>>343768303
i want her to sit on me
>>343775279
Are you really trying to say Anise or Natalia go through as much development as Luke or Tear?
>>343776030
>Enjoyed a lot tier
Vesperia
Xillia 1/2
Graces f
Destiny DC
Eternia
Abyss
Rebirth
Phantasia PSX
Symphonia
>blinded by nostalgia tier
Phantasia SNES
>nope tier
Tempest
ToS:DotNW
>>343776030
Is this bait?
>>343776335
Your initial comment was that they "don't go through much development", not they don't go through as much developement as Luke and Tear.
To answer your question: Luke, no. Tear, yes.
>>343775415
I doubt I ever will.
I truly dislike the combat so the whole game falls apart from that for me.
>>343776030
>No 2D Tales of
>Doesn't like Symphonia
>>343776030
>Cuhrayzee tier
Vesperia PS3
Hearts R
Innocence R
Xillia 2
Destiny R
>Play for the story tier
Abyss
Symphonia
>Just download the soundtrack tier
Legendia
Zestiria
>>343774119
I hope you are not implying that Loyd, Genis and Collete where good characters
Lloyd and genis were and so was everyone else in the party (minus Collete) and supporting cast.
>And Zelos betraying you for the 4th time was a good plot point
zelos never out-right betrayed the party like alvin did. he just played all sides until he either decided to join mithos or stay with the party.
>>343775270
Abyssfags like to pretend that the story is Shakespearian, when its just as shit as the rest of the series.
Xillia 3 following the Ludger ending.
I need more suffering.
>>343776973
the part where jade questions natalia's base motive for helping the people is kinda deep
>>343776673
Is this from TGT?
>>343777106
It would be about cure girls doing cute things starring Elle and Elize. No suffering.
>>343773403
Tfw Jude still exists in millias story.
I fucking hate the cunt.
>>343777273
Maybe
>>343776030
Was True Lion's Howl really all that cool to you?
I just taught it was neat but nothing great
The Resist system is making it really hard to like Xillia 2 right now. When do I get more ways to circumvent this shit?
>tfw I just want to punch shit with Jude but everything resists strike/blunt
Just remember Tales is for fujoshi now.
>>343777280
No it should be about Ludger suffering for his mistakes and seeing the original Elle whenever he see's new Elle with the backdrop of Jude dying before his research is completed because he's a horrible character.
>>343776534
>Anise and Natalia
>going through as much development as tear
They barely change at all and are easily the shittiest characters in Abyss and are more in line with the standard tripe tales is known for.
>>343768878
Fuck off man. I'm tired of people treating the games after Vesperia like total shit. Just because they're not as good as Vesperia doesn't make them shit. Hearts R is good. Innocence R is good. Graces F is good. Xillia 1 & 2 are good. You guys keep saying the Tales of series is dead but it's far from it. Stop fucking exaggerating. They only made one game which a fair amount of people disliked.
>>343777914
>not liking Jude in X2
He became awesome. Hated his guts in X1 but loved in X2.
>>343777828
Unless you play Ludger or Millia, you really dont
>>343777828
Elemental Weapons and Power Charge
>>343777946
Disagreed, not much else to say unless you want to explain.
>>343777828
PC3 nigga
>>343777828
I hope you actually know what guardian untill Red Aura does
>>343776973
>Luke being a muh depression guy who wants to kill himself for a noble cause, but when push comes to shove he realizes doesn't really want to die
>the skit where Guy and Tear talk about pointless martyrdom
>the skits where Guy and Natalia talk about their days growing up in Baticul and how they had a hand in Luke growing up the way he did
>Jade realizing he made a mistake, apologizing to Luke
>handling war pretty well (back in 2004 or whenever, before Spec Ops became a meme), even calling attention to the deaths of faceless soldier NPCs
and probably a lot more
When I played the game and something as simple as Luke being shocked that he had to kill an enemy soldier really got me hooked. No matter how interesting JRPG plots are, they take for granted the kid hero waking up one day and deciding to save the world and having 0 qualms about it or all the slaughter involved.
Whether or not you like the game Abyss definitely goes above and beyond in bringing bigger themes into its story or character arcs, FAR more than your average RPG.
>>343778070
The only thing he had going for him in X1 was his punching style and that got fucked up in X2 and his personality and voice are still annoying, but that's just my opinion.
>>343778045
Phantasia? That game was awful in so many ways, combat was a huge fucking drag, and the story was incredibly retarded. So we were left with 1 or 2 good character
>>343778807
I heard that they nerfed him? I played with him a bit in X1 but a friend of mine used him all the time in X2 so I couldn't really tell.
>>343777841
>Rose and Lailah that low
>fucking Normin on the list
>all these pros
>only a 7
Explain this. By the content of the review alone I feel like this is the one professional review that 'got' Abyss but given what they've written you'd think it'd be at least a 9.
>>343778980
They did. He became a lot slower.
>>343778980
He was buffed in X2 overall, he just has a higher learning curve instead of being a Palm Strike spamfest like the first game.
>7.9
>let's call it a 7
Did someone forget to tip the reviewers?
>>343779126
Because Abyss is all muh story the battle system was shit
>>343778565
There's no real reason to, its just a difference in opinions and the fact every tales character has at least 1 person that likes them.
Just port them all to PC. Haven't played them before Symphonia, really enjoying myself.
>>343779163
He's only slower early game.
>>343779507
I was hoping they would port previous titles but they haven't said anything after Symphonia and Zestiria
>>343779174
>spamming Palm Strike before you get Reaper Toll
What's the point of doing high damage shit in a Tales instead of what looks cool? If anything I spammed Cerberus Strike -> Talon Storm -> Milla Linked Arte and Dragon Shot -> WW Snap -> Phoenix Plunge more than anything since I thought they looked great. You're telling me there are people who care more about killing shit quickly than killing shit with style?
>>343772961
What is this? A gameplay trailer? I thought it's not even out in JP yet.
>>343779667
They've posted gameplay
https://youtu.be/BBvu1Pdovbs
>>343778267
Fug.
>>343778432
>>343778603
I just got PC2 and it's alright. When do I get PC3?
>>343779653
Because Xillia doesn't even let you combo bosses.
>>343779651
Berseria is also coming to pc
>>343779913
I know I said previous titles
>>343779653
Hearts R got it right. Repeating artes decrease the damage by a huge amount so you'll be doing cool shit and having optimal DPS at the same time
>>343779913
Nice, but I hope they will port Vesperia and Abyss after that one.
>>343779883
Sure it doesn't let you juggle them nonstop, but the majority of the time it's easy enough to drop your attack string and sidestep/backstep their "!" counter, and most of them left themselves open for long enough after to break their Iron Stance again. I thought it was fairly refreshing of a change.
>>343766782
Remove the anime shit.
>>343779990
Somewhat, but the arte staling should work more like Smash Bros' to prevent it being circumvented by spamming 2 artes in succession instead of 1.
>>343780071
>remove everything about the series
>>343778773
>Luke being shocked that he had to kill an enemy soldier really got me hooked.
So a standard and overused trope got you hooked?
>>343780031
It's just kinda redundant that they made a fast paced, combo centric battle system then didn't let the player actually combo bosses. It's anti-fun design.
Vesperia PS3 had combos breaking out of bosses but you could bait and punish them.
>>343780030
I hope one of the older titles gonna be a preorder bonus for pc version of Berseria, just like with zestiria.
>>343766782
>>343780132
The damage decrease is counted in one combo. Not only in repeated artes.
Also at least Graces and Zestiria make enemies stagger longer when using variety of artes. So they encourage not repeating artes too. I think every Tales of game uses this to some degree.
>>343766782
Tales ofXillia 3.
>>343780262
*bosses breaking out of combos
>>343780197
Name 5 JRPGs that do this
So, who is the motomu toriyama of this series?
>>343780262
Hearts R is still the best in this regard. Bosses can break out of combos but if you hit Guard at the right time, you'll counter them and you can keep up the combo.
>>343780031
Unless you use shitty single hit artes maybe, but any arte with more than 1 hit almost always trigger mid combo iron stance while your still doing the arte.
>>343780375
Not him but mecha anime especially, or most stories involoving war do it all the goddamn time.
>>343780568
I feel like Abyss took inspiration from Evangelion.
>>343780498
Hearts R did a lot of right things they should really follow it more. Too bad everything else besides the battle system was pure shit but whatever.
>>343778045
>Hearts R is good
Oh yeah, for a game made with 2 programmers, a drunk artist/animator and stock music, sure.
That game felt more cheap than most indies on steam.
The localization was absolute garbage, mantaining the japanese voices and changing the name of the cast? WTF? Every time you read Kor, they would speak Shing.
The story was garbage too, the gameplay was horrid.
I've finished 8 Tales of and by far this is the worst one for me (never played Tempest though).
>>343766782
Stop making sequels. Make a new IP.
>>343780765
It definitely did, both of them use stuff from the Kabbalah for their names and concepts.
>>343780882
I really liked the story in the beginning. It even got me hyped. Too bad I was dissapointed at how it all ended. Oh well, I should have known better. The stories are always shit.
Port Vesperia PS3 to PC, make a lot of money, use it to fund another good Tales of.
>>343780997
I agree with everything except
> the gameplay was horrid.
Now you can just fuck off
>>343780997
>Oh yeah, for a game made with 2 programmers, a drunk artist/animator and stock music, sure.
Exactly. Based Seventh Chord barely had any budget and they crafted one of the best combat systems in the series.
>the gameplay was horrid
You fucking what
>>343780997
I agree with you but
>gameplay is horrid
It's better than some mainline titles
>>343781237
>>343781213
What was good in it? I remember liking that follow up system where you would warp to the enemy, but thats that, rest of the gameplay was just spamming shit with awkward animations and silly names (mosquito bite?)
>>343780997
worst tales game is legendia, in fact before compile hearts was a thing, i considered legendia to be the worst JRPG i've ever played
who /kurea/ here?
>>343781648
Thoughts on the OST?
>>343781648
Don't say that you're going to trigger legendia anon.
>>343766782
Nothing.
The series is fine but a worldwide release of Berseria would be great.
Oh well. I gotta brush up on moon anyway.
>>343768303
They never do explain why she wears that outfit.
>>343781439
>rest of the gameplay was just spamming shit with awkward animations
>not going fucking crazy with all the air combos with Kohaku
Shit was simply fun. And this time around I actually could combo enemies without worrying about them breaking out of combos for no reason. And if I fucked up the boss would immmediately recover. Damage downscaling for repeated artes encouraged you to find non-repeating artes combos. I also liked how bossed handled Iron Stances. You needed carefully poke around the boss untill Iron Stances were gone and quickly after that try to land your combo.
Oh and I could program my party members to behave just the way I wanted. Haven't seen that in other Tales of games.
It was simple but effective no bullshit combat system. I fucking loved it.
>>343766782
Remove Sakuraba as composer.
There, I just fixed half of the problem of the series.
>featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series as secret boss
>using hourglass will make him counter with quicksilver style
>not fighting him solo will cause him to use doppelganger style
>going into overlimit will make him go devil trigger to counter you
>defeating him grants an accessory that makes mc wear red coat with silver wig and rebellion, which alters artes( sonic thrust= stinger, demon fang=drive which can extend to overdrive, sword rain alpha into million stab and so on)
also improve the weapon change system in xillia 2 for all characters into style/stance which will make all characters unique and combo crazy
>>343782530
Who will replace him?
Stop pandering to fujos and give us more cute girl love.
>>343782627
Go Shiina. He's Namco's best composer.
>>343782802
xillia 2 practically featured him already as ludger
>>343782873
>not using the Virgil hair
>>343768678
It's all PC fags can hope for. Console leftovers.
