Thinking about resubbing until legion comes out
How is it now? Is it possible to have fun?
>>343764189
You'll regret it, just like you did last time.
>>343764189
fuck off wowfugee
>>343764189
Just stop playing MMO's in general. They are nothing but a time sink. Go outside. Die to allergies or something.
Still worse than WoW so not much has changed.
It is, Heavensward story finally ended, Midas is actually fun, so is Nidhog EX.
Is wow worth picking up again? I haven't played it since the lich king. Also what's the best pvp class currently
>>343764189
7.0 launches on July 18th, just wait it out
>>343766818
Don't do it. My friend did the recruits friend on me and we never ended up playing more than like 2 hours. Its so bad
>>343768779
pretty sure that pre event will become boring as fuck after 3 days
>>343769134
Is it really that bad?
>>343766818
No.
>>343764189
Resub when 3.5 hits in like two weeks
>>343770083
Why?
Will it change something?
>>343765134
>Just stop playing MMO's in general
This to be honest. After quitting WoW TBC like 9 years ago I havent touched an MMO for more than 2-3 weeks ever again. Every time I try a new one I realize that the genre is still stagnating and that the players continuously ask the developers to turn [insert recently released game] into something that is closer to WoW.
The only MMO I will ever touch is Lost Ark because that doesnt really look at much like an MMO. Looks more like a combination of Ragnarok and Diablo.
>>343770708
It adds the new Deep Dungeon which is this new weird dungeon/special zone thing. It's a multilevel dungeon with randomized contents that when you enter resets you to level one with no gear. As you dive further in you earn experience and gear for that version of your character, and some of that experience carries over to your outside character. Whether or not its enough to warrant a resub alone is dependent on how that type of content sounds to you, but if you haven't subbed in a while you should have plenty to do anyways with the new dungeons, raids, and trials.
Why do people in this game crash the market on literally everything?
>>343769134
>Resub for FF14's new content patch
>Friend decides to resub along with me so we can do all the content together
>Do the new stuff together once, maybe twice
>Every time after that he does content and roulettes the second he wakes up which is like 7 hours before me because I work night shift
>The few times we are actually online together he just AFKs in Idyllshire or goes to help his noob friend level
Don't. I resubbed to ffxiv a month ago, and I just let it run out today.
In that span of a month, I managed to level MNK and 3 others job 50-60, get to i235 on my mnk, and clear all current content, including a8s.
The game is generic and bland as all fuck, and not worth your time.
>>343772605
Is OP a poopsocking neet though?
>>343772748
I played 4 hours a day. So I don't know what you're getting at.
>>343772605
well that's what happens when you play 10 hours a day
I'm on my 4th month and I haven't even finished heavensward yet and only have two jobs past 50
>>343772936
Read above. Week days I played 4 hours, and weekends 6. I work full time and have summer classes.
I played with a group of people from that start though.
>>343764189
No it's shit, don't bother.
>>343764189
I've resubbed made an alt and just playing it casually crafting and gathering and its pretty comfy.
>>343764189
>Thinking about resubbing until legion comes out
nope.exe
>>343772605
post your lodestone, you obviously don't play anymore so lets see your clears.
>>343773112
>>I played with a group of people from that start though.
Getting a decent static is the hardest part.
I used to have an alright static last year just before HW came out. Around a month or two before release I went on vacation for two weeks and when I came back everyone had a huge fight and 3/7 changed servers and the remaining 4 didn't talk to each other any more. I was never able to get another decent static and I just gave up and stopped playing after finishing most HW and 3.1 shit.
>>343764189
Better than WoW atm. WoW feels so dead compared to FFXIV it's not even funny.
>>343772936
>I played slower so I'm clearing content slower, that's somehow a good thing!
You're the kind of retard that defends level boosters despite telling everyone not to rush through content.
>>343773670
There are character boosters on FFXIV? What the fuck I don't even remember that shit.
>>343773845
Only in the chinese version because the game flopped hard there
Waste of time.
What they consider content is updating the relic grind to keep you busy until the next one. Also midas was a total fucking garbage tier. Alexander is just shit in general.
The game is literally just a cash cow for them to fund the other FF their hyping right now.
>>343773845
They're in the chinese version and will be coming to every version next year.
>>343773845
Probably some shit only available in China or SE-A. They eat that right up.
>>343764189
Just a reminder that WoW hasn't received a major update since Heavensward early access came out last fucking year.
>>343773957
Nope, China exclusive.
People complained against the level boosts on the official forums and they decided not to introduce it anywhere else.
>>343773670
No, I just don't play one game for 200 hours a month and bitch about "THERE'S NOTHING TO DO" after rushing through everything.
>>343774153
Fuck off retard, they never listen to NA faggots so it's guaranteed they'll be coming, kill yourself corporate apologist cuck.
>>343773356
He obviously doesn't have a lodestone anon because he's bullshitting
>>343773906
It's a shame that things are the way they are, because the game as an entity has so much potential. The problem is both the world and the people behind it, though. The people working on it are afraid of change or new and radical ideas because they don't think it'll sell, the majority of the people playing the game are just Facebook browsing normiefags who want to play dressup and see it as a timesink. Well, a good portion. The minority population are the usual crowd of ULTRA HARDCORE CONTENT demanding poopsockers that have existed since the beginning of the MMO genre.
What FF14 needs is just more interesting mechanics and activities in general, first. The draconian concept of "balance" being constantly enforced on everything to make sure it's as plain and utilitarian as possible just murders fun. Even WITH all the strong-arm balance they try to keep in place, classes are still buggered. It blows my mind.
>>343774280
NA is the primary reason why this game isn't dead yet. It's doing much better there than in chink land or nip land,
>>343772605
Was anything done to improve leveling other jobs since release? I keep thinking of going back but leveling was a massive grind without all the story quests
>>343774449
>why doesn't this pander to niche NEETs like FFXI did
Best MMO on the market, I already 100% the game, ask me anything.
>>343774464
Which is exactly why they want to milk NA faggots even more like they've been doing, the cash shop is the sole reason the game is even alive and NA fags keep eating up everything they shit out. Profit wise level boosters are a no brainer, and all the retards will flock to buy them and defend them like they've already been doing.
Yeah, no thanks. This game since forever has had issues with abysmal end game stuff.
Then all I see are super defensive apologists saying "DON'T RUSH THROUGH SHIT THEN". Guess it depends on your definition of "rushing", because my and 3 friends cleared pretty much everything HW had to offer starting at 50 after two months, and only playing a few hours a day.
MMOs are more and more shifting to this "if you play 25-30 minutes a day you'll have endless content" design, but anyone that invests more than that will be left high and dry.
>>343774493
Dungeon XP was buffed, but you'll need about 8-10 runs of every single dungeon to do 50-60. If you're dps, that's a fucking eternity.
>>343774719
Will you give me $15 so I can sub for a month?
>>343774750
By the time you finish HW story, you have already at least invested 300+ hours into the game. That's more than 5 full length JRPGs you finished in one playthrough.
>>343774719
Did they improve 50-60 at all after finishing the MSQs? Those fates are way too spread out and fucking leves gave shit XP.
Haven't played since...... 3.1? I think.
>>343774223
You're just playing slower than everyone retard, just because you consume content slower doesn't mean there's more content. It's the same amount of minimal content for everyone, you're just a retarded slow faggot who thinks playing 10 minutes a day and praising just how much content the game has somehow makes you superior, when you're an inferior casualfag.
Do you really have to ask? Its fucking awful and legion is going to be awful. Literally get the fuck off this board and go onto 9gag where your literal shit taste can get upvoted by children.
>>343775112
what?
>>343774967
They buffed FATE EXP by 50% months ago, leves were always shit for battle classes, you can go from 50-60 on a 2nd job in like a week just spamming dungeons and doing your challenge log like a NEET or a few weeks if you're a casual.
>>343774719
How in the fuck did you decide which Job to stick with and rather 'main'? I quit because having access to every Job at the switch of a weapon was just too much for me. At least in XI I had to go home which involved effort.
Also, wanna give me $10 to sub for a month cause I at least have legacy unlike that other pleb
>people try to defend this relic weapon no content grind the game cash grab by calling others neet poopsockers
holy
LMFAO
>>343775347
You XI fags are annoying.
XIV wasn't meant to be XI 2 since 2.0
1.0 WAS XI 2 and we all know how that came out.
>>343774728
don't you have anything better else to do than shitpost with yoshi images?
>>343775276
I was going DRK for the edge when I stopped, but now I realized why I quit in the first place...... Fuck it. I'll wait and see if these new expansion rumors pan out. Otherwise I'll have enjoyed my time with early ARR and consider it dead like FFXI.
>>343775347
Just pick one. The game also picks one for you with all the weekly locks, since you can't take every shit geared job to high endgame content unless you get carried through it and that won't happen months after that content is out. With the raid finder being the sole way to enter Savage now, you can't even enter without high enough item level anymore either.
>>343773368
What was the fight about?
>>343775479
Honestly I'd been alright with the relic/whatever they are now grinds if the rewards justified the effort and time. But unfortunately that's not how games are designed nowadays.
>>343775578
Don't you have anything better to do than suck his tiny chink dick?
>>343774617
You mistake me, friendo. FF11 was a little too demanding on a person's life to be played by most folks unless they had a very well-coordinated circle of friends with similar schedules. It wasn't a game of chance encounters like the developers may have intended it to be, as a result. I admire the concept, it just didn't work out in most instances.
If we want to get into my personal desires, I'd like to see equipment become more than just numbers. The game is full of nothing but uncontested upgrades, with no real considerations to make at all. Materia exists, but it's poorly thought-out and only ever matters in the brief periods were crafted gear with slots momentarily overtakes the currently available raid/tomestone gear during a content gap. Then the market goes into a frenzy, buys or crafts a ton of it, festoons themselves in complete sets of it, then has it become obsolete a week later when the content finally drops with new item levels.
There are no meaningful considerations to be made when it comes to your characters equipment. Just get the thing with the biggest numbers and item level.
I just want the developers to stop restraining themselves so damn hard creatively.
>>343775082
>It's the same amount of minimal content for everyone
200 hours is a lot to people who aren't insane or play obsessively
>>343775749
the rewards are glamour anon, that's whole endgame in this game. collecting as much cool glamour as you can.
there are people who literally do savage just for dyeable gear, not because they want +1 itemlevel.
>>343775514
1.0 was becoming a better game. Sadly people just wanna play WoW with a different skin these days.
>>343775082
Anon, you're sitting here telling everyone it's not worth it and yet you spent one month of your life poopsocking through all the content. How is it not worth anyone's time if you were so hooked that you used so much free time to play through all the content?
>>343775514
4.0 held my attention for a lot longer than Reborn/HW ever has. If it wasn't for the engine, the god fucking awful maps, the the clusterfuck that is cross class (that still ruins shit to this day) 4.0 would've been great. I mean shit, all I really need to say is "if 4.0 wasn't handed off to another company to be made, it'd be great", cause what a fucking disaster of an idea that was.
Funny how buttmad you get when all I do is mention that I played XI. All I meant in reference to that was I can't stick with a Job 'cause all I do after a dungeon is swap to something else, rinse, repeat, and I would rather be 60 gearing up.
>>343775681
Well a couple days before I went on vacation we were still missing a slot in the static (which we usually filled with someone's friend or whatver) and some new guy got in. That asshole always seemed to stick with the FC and static leaderwho happened to be a grill.who happened to be almost midget tier IRL
Anyway when I logged back in one of the guys told me fights broke out because of that guy and him, the FC leader and another dude changed servers.
>>343775871
No, 1.0 was garbage, just like 11 was
Good thing that weebs grew up and didn't fall for this shit
I still have nightmares about how awful ff11 was
It was literally worse clone of everquest
>>343775784
add set bonuses that alter your existing abilities to job exclusive gear like WoW raid tier sets (which is coming in 4.0 anyways)
>>343775806
You'll get to those 200 hours too, retard, again you're just doing it slower than everyone else because you're a retarded mongoloid who thinks doing shit slower is better. It doesn't even take 100 hours to get to current endgame and once you get there there's nothing else to do.
>>343775479
I know you're only FUCKIN' AROUND, but all of that can seriously be done an hour a day or so, and you'd still make meaningful progress. Poopsocking is a term because ancient MMO raids required up to 8 hours of dedicated time with no intended stops. At least, the way the most hardcore groups tried to run them.
>(You)
>>343775871
>1.0 was becoming a better game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5DnpidMiY
this was taken just before the game was shut down
>>343775659
Thanks friend, have no idea about that end game shit so good to know. I mostly wanted to BRD because I played BRD/DNC/RDM mostly in XI, but when I played MCH was dog shit tier so everyone and their grandmother played BRD, ruined it for me.
>>343775860
Right which is the problem. Heaven forbid that a long term commitment would give power and/or abilities to improve your success rate on actual content. If it did the mouth breathers would flip their shit and shout popsock at those who finish it.
>>343776132
>It doesn't even take 100 hours to get to current endgame and once you get there there's nothing else to do.
>I rushed through everything and skipped all cutscenes to get to raiding like an autist
>hurr why is this game so short
>>343764189
You can try the new class talents on the PTR for free RIGHT NOW.
>>343776087
Just a small step, but at least it'd feel more like you were accomplishing something.
It's not enough, though. I fear they'll just haphazardly try to rebalance the rest of everything around it, so it ultimately won't change anything. They'll dutifully see to it.
>>343776132
No shit you idiot. The guy is saying that you got more than enough hours for your money with this game so there isn't a lack of content for anyone. Even the most efficient person ever is going to get tons of hours each patch or expansion that is worth their money. You are acting like an MMO isn't worth playing unless you can make it your life and the devs make content faster than you can finish it which isn't possible anymore without gating.
>>343776132
>i was glued to my account and played through all the content
>it's totally not worth it guys
>>343776132
it takes a minimum of 150+ hours to reach heavensward unless you skipped literally everything
>Been playing MMO's for the past 10 or so years
>Top level raider in FFXIV (WHM/BLM)
>Cleared T8S before most groups did
>Work schedule changes
>Literally impossible to continue static raiding
>Forced to PUG
>can't deal with it
>Quit game
>Haven't touched a video game since I quit nearly 6 months ago
I literally don't know what to do with my time off anymore. I've never been a fan of FPS/RTS games and the though of picking up a RPG and relearning optimal skill trees/moves and min/maxing is just a turn off I don't even want to bother.
>>343775975
>one month
Here comes another retard who somehow thinks everyone talks about doing everything in their very first month. The game has been out for 6 fucking years, 1.0 character progress carried over, 2.0 progress carried over, 3.0 has been out for a fucking year. It's retardedly easy to have done everything at this point. Of course if you're a newfag who just subbed today you might have some argument, even then it doesn't take more than 3 months to do everything either, you can fucking catch up in item level in an even numbered patch in just a week, get the highest previous item level and start doing new shit.
WoW is still the better MMO. FFXIV is nice if you like that feeling of old vanilla though.
>>343776573
Sure, if you're a poopsocking neet with no responsibilities.
>>343776431
>you only played 10 hours how can you say the game is shit if you didn't play enough!
Kill yourself.
Post your fucking lodestones you retards. I want to see your savage clears and achievements.
>>343776679
Fuck off retard
There no reason to clear savage modes
>>343774719
if you sell your account now, it will be worth more than $2000
>>343776679
This. Calling these faggot's bluff now.
>>343776573
Okay so whats your point? To have all that done you clearly have played the MMO for hundreds of hours yet you claim there isn't/wasnt enough to do?
>>343776792
>I don't want to post my stuff because then people will call me out that I'm a shitter
LOL
>>343776679
>Savage clear
>he still thinks 4 pitiful """"""raid""""" bosses amount to anything more than 1% of the game's content
XIV cucks are so content starved they think clearing them means something, when it doesn't mean shit because they're just 4 fucking bosses.
>>343776937
>8 """""""raid"""""bosses in 11 months
>still better than WoW's 12 faceroll raid bosses in 1 year
The community is awful, worse than /v/ and /jp/ put together.
Any max level crafting autists: Are specialist actions actually useful? They all just seem like more RNG shit in a system that is already heavily dependent on RNG.
>>343776812
There isn't, the only progression related endgame at all times are just two shit dungeons, one shit trial and 4 shit bosses. That's the entire endgame of every patch and the only thing you'll be doing, the rest is irrelevant shit that doesn't progress you character and is just filler for retards who think it somehow amounts to content, when you can clear all the shit padding main and sidequests in just an hour.
>>343777172
Nothing can be worse than ff11 community
There a good reason why jap players still treat us even worse than we br and slavs
>>343777196
whistle while you work at the start
use satisfaction when available and not on good/excellent quality
innovative touch is only useful for certain recipes
ITT
>>343777172
I found the community on Exodus to be very friendly. People helped me level up, clear through extreme primals when I was struggling, gave me excellent advice on how to play, and even crafted me some good leveling gear.
>>343777140
>it's an I'm a contrarian weebtard who shits on everything WoW related despite my game being a shit WoW clone episode
>>343764189
XIV could have been so much better.
pic related
>>343764189
Stay the fuck away WoWfag.
>>343776812
When will you people realize that leveling alts isnt content?
>>343777968
you're forced to level alt jobs in this game just to raid.
>>343777779
>PSO2s combat is great
>sega decides to milk it with anime crossovers instead of being phantasy star
>pso2 is a dressup game with a fighting mini game that has good combat
>still no open world thanks vita
fuck sega
>>343777308
Thats not bad for every 3 months or so. Once again you guys need to realize that developers cant create content faster than players finish it. Its just impossible barring serious timegating which pisses people off.
>>343778082
You aren't forced to take them all to 60, the only extra content related to alt classes are their quests, that's it.
>>343778082
Yeah to a low level point that takes maybe a day.
>>343778258
going lancer 1-34 takes longer just to get 1 skill that's required to meet dps checks
>>343771492
Ya need a new friend, that's all.
>>343778423
Outside of savage content the game is so easy that the only 'necessary' cross class skill is provoke. Plus yes I can get to 34 in a day.
>>343764189
Should resub to legion in like 3 weeks. Just before the movie promo transmogs go away.
>>343778612
>I can get to 34 in a day.
yeah if I was playing 8+ hours in a day with exp boosts and armory chest bonus
>>343772904
4 hours a day and getting 4 jobs from 50-60 is perfectly reasonable. Getting i235 and clearing everything with only 4 hours isn't impossible but I find it hard to believe that you did it without some kind of guide, whether it was a friend or some online resource.
>>343768779
Was it confirmed?
>>343778147
The problem with MMOs now is sole focus on endgame. At this point the leveling experience solely exists to milk subs or sell XP boosts if it's F2P.
That and this strange philosophy of encounters and art assets being taboo to reuse.
>>343778745
Just get the Novice exp ring retard, it takes less than 30 minutes to clear the entire Hall of the Novice and that's a 30% exp boost until level 30. With all the rested exp you'll have because you're a huge casualfaggot, you'll easily get to 34 in less than 24 hours.
>>343778865
This MMO is about the focus on story, not rushing to the endgame to do some poopsocking raids like WoW.
>>343764189
I just tried the free trial and jesus it's bad, maybe it improves later but the story was laughable and the dialogue was absolutely awful. 90% of combat consisted of me spamming two abilities and waiting for cooldowns. WoW has its problems but it has never been this bad; I feel like people who play this game must be diehard FF fans to look past all of the shit.
There are no MMOs worth playing anymore, and if you really want one just play WoW or EVE, they're the best of their respective genres.
>>343779229
Every MMO free trial starts of painfully slow.
I remember playing WoW for the first time and being bored out of my mind mashing 1 hunter macro.
>>343779229
>WoW has its problems but it has never been this bad
Have you ever leveled in WoW?
Have you even played WoW?
>>343779059
Watching every cutscene and reading the entire dialogue it STILL doesnt take long to get to max level.
>>343779469
It took me 300 something hours to reach level 60, that's more time I spent in most JRPGs. The game doesn't even kick you out of the Novice Network until you reach at least 168 hours.
>>343779229
>Why am I night fighting demigod dragons with 20 abilities during the first hour of an MMO?
>>343779403
Leveling takes like, 2 days in WoW. FF14 is way more tedious. Especially with the running back forth all over the place to talk to NPCs and the WAKING FUCKING SANDS.
>>343779841
>not taking the boat near the limsa aetheryte that teleports you directly to the waking sands
of course retards skipping dialogue wouldn't know this.
>>343779920
Does that make it less tedious? No, it doesn't.
>>343780149
it takes 5 seconds compared to taking 5 minutes walking there like a dumbass
>>343780149
>Complain about not having enough to do or not leaving your city in WoW
>Complain about going places in XIV
What do you people want in a MMO?
>>343779059
It works for 14 since it took the one character fits all system that 11 had. That's why there are attunements and such which isn't a bad thing and something that's sorely missed from other WoW clones. But if they want me to believe that the focus is solely on the story then they could offer some other options to the story when leveling up alts instead of dungeon grinding.
>>343780268
I just got into this thread. I didn't say anything about WoW and leaving cities.
>>343780279
you can use palace of the dead to level alt jobs instead of grinding dungeons
ITT salty WoWfags, buttblasted that they've been waiting over a year for their next $50 content update, shittalk a much better game because you can't pay to skip to the endgame and go straight to afking in your garrison all day.
>run daily Challenge roulette
>Sephirot Hard
>4-5 fuckers eat phase 1's big cleave everytime
>nottodisushittoagen.jpg
>phase 2 comes up
>niggers fucking up earthshakers constantly
>everyone dies to the shitty aoe balls
>4 people leave
>wait 20 minutes for more people
>try again
>fuckers can't destroy the Storm of Words in time
>LB3 is ready
>quickly use cover on a healer
>Seph swipes and everyone dies except for the healer I covered
>literally just stands there for 30 seconds and dies instead of using LB3
>initiate abandon vote
>abandon vote fails
>leave
>30 min penalty
Sorry for the woe is me post but I have to vent out my rage.
>>343779352
>>343779403
Alright, "never been this slow" probably isn't fair because it's been out since 2004 and leveling has definitely been terrible in the past. I'm comparing modern WoW to modern FF14, and in modern WoW they give you abilities at a much faster clip and they're mostly useful.
And yes, you also level more than twice as fast in WoW. That's doesn't necessarily make it better but given how boring my low-level marauder was I just wanted to be done with leveling as soon as possible.
>>343780743
>t. cuck who'll defend level boosters when they release
ITT people who play ARR and unironically think that its any different to WoW. I remember playing the game for about a month pre Heavensward when Turn9 was the maximum raid content. I seriously thought that I was playing WoW.
Summoners were literal TBC Warlocks. Every single ability was a carbon copy. The professions were the exact same, the quest system etc. The only thing the game had going for itself was the music. That really was good, especially in that one ruin dungeon. Really comfy atmosphere in most areas as well. Apart from the later zones. That snowzone with the giant world boss was lame as fuck. So was the ashy zone with the 25men raid entrance and the 'endgame town'.
>>343780724
Guess they added that option since I quit. I'll give them adding stuff and supporting an expansion. Sadly, unless they knock my socks off with the next expansion I doubt I'll return.
>>343780995
>SE
>Sinking to ActiBlizzards level
>>343780995
what's the point of level boosters when it's already easy as fuck to level in this game
I don't understand WoW retards who want to skip most of the content to get to the barren content.
>>343781249
see
>>343773670
They already did in their chinese test bed and they'll be adding them in 4.0.
>>343781194
>month pre Heavensward when Turn9 was the maximum raid content
???
turn 13 came out 7 months prior to heavensward
>>343781385
>China
China always has unique microtransactions. They aren't rational people.
>>343781385
see
>>343774153
NA and EUfags complained, so they aren't bringing it over. China already has exclusives costumes and shit because the game is way behind over there, they don't even have Heavensward yet.
>>343781194
I was enchanted with it in early ARR. It gave me some early WoW/FFXI vibes as we were learning who people were and actually building up a community on the server.
Then everything got added to the duty finder, the ilvls were jumping, and more different daily/weekly points were being added ad-nauseum.
Helping random people I met in Mor Dhona get their relics done was fun.
>>343781429
Jesus Christ youre fucking retarded.
>>343781595
t. retarded jit
>>343781483
Neither are SE and SEfags.
>NA and EUfags complained, so they aren't bringing it over.
Which doesn't mean shit, especially when NA and EUfags are the ones who buy cash shop shit the most. All their "complaining" will do is an official statement about how 4.0's release won't be the right time to release them, but they'll just release it a patch or two later saying that's the right timing to do it and SE apologists will go "WELL AT LEAST THEY WAITED, SEE THEY LISTENED TO US" and eat their shit up.
>>343781252
People who have nothing else to spend their money on. Or kids who get their parents to give them what they want. Hilariously either which way you slice it the people who buy these services also are the people who remain subbed long after they stop playing.
MMO companies die for these customers.
>mfw yoshidrones try to talk down to wow players when everything but savage is easier than wrath heroics
>>343769134
dont get cucked, remember when 5 milllion ppl bought draenor just to leave after two weeks, never forget
>>343781914
>that one sad guy who comes into every FFXIV thread just to shitpost lies and argue with anyone who replies to him
>>343781914
Gotta rack up that WoWfugee money.
>>343781812
We're not talking about Blizzard here. SE doesn't jew people like that.
>You think you don't want it, but you do!
When are they going to release Legion for consoles? It's already more casual than FFXIV.
>>343782234
kek, I forgot FF14 was on consoles, that explains why combat is so slow
>play on jap servers
>always hear shit about god awful groups, fucking retards, etc
>worst I've ever ever experienced since this game came out is a, "it's a satascha episode where the level 60 whm does nothing but spams heal and quits when someone complains"
with the Japs it's always 3 tries at whatever you're doing, then vote abandon, no bitching or moaning. Only problem is they use moonrunes so fuck knows what they're saying, I guess they could be bitching.
Come play with your jap overlords, you won't regret it.
>>343782131
> SE doesn't jew people like that.
They already jew people monthly for extra retainers, when everyone keeps asking them for more inventory space and the game keeps throwing shit items at everyone's inventories.
>>343782332
ironically enough, the ogcds and active mitigation system make it faster than WoW's 1 second GCD spamfest
>>343781914
>that autist who comes into ff14 threads just to shitpost
>>343782234
>more filler situational abilities = better
t. Yoshicuck
>>343782457
Inventory space is going to be expanded in the next expansion
>>343782457
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/06/17/final-fantasy-xiv-heavensward-producer-on-increasing-retainers-number-to-8-and-item-storage/
>le evil jews
>>343782234
>modifiers on m4/5
>>343782580
every ability is necessary except for number 4 and c5
>>343782712
>>343782775
>it only took them 3 years to add more space, give them a break these things take time, they aren't evil jews despite charging everyone for extra space during those 3 years
t. Squeenix cucks
>>343783134
>give everyone more inventory space but cause more server rollbacks unless they rehaul the server infrastructure
or
>charge some NEETs $2 each month for retainers and don't redo your server infrastructure
>>343782775
>our shit servers can't process enough data
>but for a price they magically can
You can't make this shit up.
>>343783528
they can give extra space to a few people, not the millions of people who play it without redoing their entire datacenter structure.
>>343774719
whats your favorite class in each roll?
>>343783613
>our data is badly optimized
>but for a price it magically is
You can't make this shit up.
>>343783723
see
>>343783515
there's a difference between giving 100 people more space and giving millions of bots more space.
I mean if you definitely plan on playing legion it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and prep for legion. Im currently gold farming and getting the classes i want to play to 100. Also I'd highly recommend the water strider mount from the anglers in pandaria as it seems like a mount that will help greatly in Legion.
>>343783831
Well its XIV so good thing they don't have to worry about millions.
>>343764189
>FFXIV
>Legion
Play ESO. If you want to play a good game that is.
>>343784196
lol
>>343783613
>millions of people who play it
The game only has 400k active subs at best and never even hit 1 million subs, it barely went above 600k.
>>343784580
[citation needed]
>inb4 luckybancho
>>343784529
>registered accounts equals active subs
lmao you can't make this shit up
>>343784904
it says subscribes, not registered accounts.
even if it was registered accounts, that means at least 4 million people have paid for the game at one point.
>>343782234
>Half of them are just obligatory long cooldown and push this when off cooldown off GCD skills
>Cherrypicking one of the most complex XIV classes and the simplest spec in Legion with the least active talents chosen
DEFEATED.
>>343780938
>Other people leave before you
>You get penalized
Nice meme.
>>343785031
Retard
>>343782775
Okay so what if we just..removed retainers and gave players a big bank? Dont give me that "we cant do it!" or "Its too similar to WoW!" If it works it works. Retainers were a mistake leftover from the old game.
>>343784771
There no
>>343785213
retainers and bank are the same shit data wise
>>343785025
It is registered accounts. IGN is a bunch of idiots that can't even read their own articles.
>>343785031
>gun class and gun class
>no you're not allowed to compare them
stupid wowfugee
>>343785025
It's yet another shit misinformed IGN article, 5 million accounts means jackshit when the base game goes for $5 or less every single day and it can't even retain more than 400k of those 5 million per month, 400k subs is a pathetic retention rate.
>>343785294
Whatever they wanna tell you to make you buy them my man. You'll believe any bullshit they tell you about server or PS3 limitations to excuse their laziness or exploitative nature. There is no way a developer (ITS THIS YEAR, 2016) with that much money and manpower cant find a way to expand inventory on their MMO. That was like how Blizzard said they cant find their files for Vanilla WoW but then as things blew up in their face they suddenly found it in a floppy disc or something miraculously.
>>343785470
>400k subs
see
>>343784771
>>343785628
They already confirmed they are expanding inventory in 4.0, it takes time to rehaul their server infrastructure to support the additional load.
If you actually played the game, you can see first hand how shit it is when you try to move items from a full inventory to another full inventory.
>>343769421
Apparently blizzard is doing a staggered release on the pre-event content. So it'll be day 1 : bored in an hour. week 2, new stuff but bored in an hour and so on.
I suppose they're trying to copy FFXIV and how they often stagger release of content. The issue is that FFXIV released whole bits of content then released a different sort of content a few weeks later. WoW is just going to cut an already small thing into smaller pieces.
>>343769701
Its by no means perfect, but its certainly the best MMO on the market at the moment. Its especially good for new players.
>>343785974
WoW was the best MMO on the market 8 years ago, now FFXIV is. Name any other MMO besides WoW that has more than 400k active subs.
Top Grossing Pay-to-play MMO Games by Revenue, May 2016
1 World of Warcraft Activision Blizzard
2 Fantasy Westward Journey Online II NetEase
3 Lineage I NCSOFT
4 Star Wars: The Old Republic Electronic Arts
5 Tera Online En Masse
USA zone confirmed for shit taste
>>343785974
WoW is completely copying XIV now.
>>343786131
That same data counts League of Legends and World of Tanks as a F2P MMOs
>>343777557
Well he's not wrong. While it does suck that each raid tier of FFXIV only gives four bosses, they are fairly high quality and tuned to perfection. Meanwhile WoW has to rely on number inflation and the mechanics tend to just be a bore.
Its a qestion of whether you want quantity over quality or quality over quantity.
>>343785031
Here's a screenshot of my bar on the easiest job to play
I crossed the abilities I rarely use
>>343786294
F2P major multiplayer online games?
Yeah I can see that.
>>343785878
Im gonna love every laugh if the inventory expansion somehow costs money too though. Yes I do play the game.
>havent touched the game for 8 months
>still subscribed through all that time
I have issues
>>343785031
>simplest spec in Legion
Dont flat out lie like that. All classes in Legion are around that level of complexity. When I got into the beta I unsubbed and uninstalled two weeks later. All classes are now an action bar and a half classes. What little semblence of depth has been removed. FFXIV may have more "use this for a dps boost" cooldowns, but the rotations themselves are unquestionably more complex and involved than anything in Legion.
>There were people who seriously thought that Heavensward was going to change the entire game like A Realm Reborn did
Are there any WoW "veterans" here who have played the game for a long time and still play it?
Tell me, is it too late to start playing Wow if I'm by myself and like to progress slowly?
>>343786814
Man I havent played WoW since Pandas but I logged into the PTR and Blood DK and Guardian Druid feel twice as fun as any tank in XIV which im actively playing. You can say im lying all you want but I feel like the priority style WoW classes have are more interesting than the stricter rotations in most XIV classes.
>>343786947
WoW is way past its prime, don't even bother with it. Tons of servers are ghost towns at this point with everyone AFKing in their garrison.
>>343786947
You wont know any pain of seeing everything you liked and loved removed so yes you can enjoy it.
>>343786210
>Elune is a Titan
>Elune made the Naaru
>Illidan is going to be a champion of the light.
>Implied he'll end up being a vessel for Sargeras's spirit, becoming Sargeras corrupted Illidan
>Med'an confirmed canon
>Turalyon and Alleria are thousands of years old and leading the army of the light on Argus.
>Anduin confirmed getting his own storyline in Legion
>Blizzard already retconning parts of their lore book whose purpose was to tie the story together
>Anduin is also going to be a champion of the light with his counterpart champion of shadow Sylvaanas
>Blizzard somehow made a worse story than WoD
>>343786435
>not pictured: 2.5 gcd and how nearly all the cooldowns are 30s+
PLD is so brain dead people could clear t13 with the hud off on that job. Props for not crossing off something like cover you'll rarely use.
>>343786814
Kindly stop lying like that. Classes have become not only more complex, but more complete.
This is going to be the perfect expansion, every World of Warcraft fan should own a copy. Hell, you should buy a spare.
t. not metzen
>>343787268
Funny you mention T13 because it's one of the fights where cover is the most useful
>>343787031
I beg to differ, Blood DK is so braindead simple now in Legion that I may as well play the game with one macro with all my important abilities listed in that macro. Reminds me of what I did back when DKs first came out, win by just mashing 1 button.
>>343787031
I'll concede on that one. I havent done any tanks but Legion Warrior (which is... just bad. I mained prot tank for years and what they're doing to it in legion is terrible). But I have heard guardian and blood are both doing well: though paladin, warrior, and DH are kinda boring but flashy crap tank wise.
Though I do find warrior tanking in FFXIV to be fun, if only because its neat figuring out when and where to switch to my DPS stance and go to town. Tanking in FFXIV is more about knowing the boss and supporting the dps due to how much more important positioning is in FFXIV. Tanking in WoW is more about knowing the class.
>>343787463
And it was just about the only time it was used.
>>343764189
Last time I logged into WoW, Orgrimmar was a ghost town. At least in FFXIV Limsa Lominsa is always full.
>>343787694
Cover is useful in Ravana Extreme to soak double prey damage, you can also use it on Nidhogg to soak tethers.
What... did they do to Mistweaver?
>Soothing mist instant casting mechanic removed
>Soothing mist is now a gimped afterheal that basically functions as a single-target renew
>Mana tea trashed and turned into a cooldown ability
>Serpent statue is now a talent and casts the shitty soothing mist on the same target you do
>Chi removed
>Just a standard hardcasting healer now
God
But
What happened
Why?
>>343787464
Dont forget that the only mechanic tanks ever tend to worry about in any content is tank swap and tank busters.
Oh wow, so involved, so complicated, so skillful.
>>343787694
Except for all of the times the MT doesn't have any CDs left and is gonna eat a tankbuster or the times some fucker with weakness/vulnerability is gonna eat a mechanic.
>>343788072
Blizzard can't design unique classes to save their life. It was only a matter of time before fistweaving any any other interesting mechanics were removed or homogenized.
>>343788072
Too hard for the modern WoW audience, better homogenize and prune everything.
If FFXIV can do 30+ abilities on a console with a controller, why can't WoW do the same thing on PC with a KB+M?
>>343788072
Blizzard decided that healing should feel "special" so they changed tank and healing mechanics.
Now all healers are based on hard casting because blizzard feels thats the most compelling sort of healing. And easiest to balance for PvP.
Tanks lost a lot of their active mitigation, largely making them DPS with more HP. And no, thats not an exaggeration. The intent was to make it so healers are always actively healing the always dying tank.
This has been met with overwhelming dislike by healers, tanks, and pretty much the whole community. Blizzards response has been, as always "We're right, you're wrong"
>>343788315
I didn't even think about fistweaving. That's gone too. I enjoyed it for leveling and even PvP.
What demon did this to us? I'm uninstalling the PTR.
>>343766818
Wait for legion then come back, unless you wanna have a 100 ready to go in addition to the one you get for ordering legion. In that same thought, i would preorder legion if you are serious about coming back because you get a free lvl 100 upgrade for any characters on the account (you can even save it for later and use the upgrade in the future if you do not wanna waste it on your lvl 80).
>>343771254
People are willing to crash the market to make a quick buck
>>343788561
>"We're right, you're wrong"
I think this is what annoys me most about Blizzard. The completely unfounded pride and stubbornness. No matter how much people hate something, the CMs will go on the forums and act like it's the tastiest shit ever and everyone is just being a whiny baby. Then when they do eventually get around to fixing it (usually several years later in an expansion), they act like it was their idea and they wanted to do it all along but the "time wasn't right".
>>343786583
That's exactly what will happen and they're already implementing it as a test in XI, since Yoshida is in charge of the entire MMO division.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/wardrobe/index.html
>>343788072
>>343788574
On the bright side, windwalker is looking fun! :)
>>343789125
Yoshida has no say in FF11, that's being handled by a different team.
>>343788072
I actually don't hate the new mistweaver but RIP uplift. Too good for this world, too pure
>>343786374
>tuned to perfection
>you can skip the hardest mechanics by killing yourself and everyone does it since it's easier than handling those mechanics
>>343764189
Did final fantasy seriously steal the illithid from dnd?
Unimaginative hacks.
>>343787268
>literally any time you OT
>a1s prey bombs
>a5s if your healers draw too much aggro on snakes, or you dont have provoke for the gobhook
>a7s uplander dooms
>when people decide to be dumb and stand on front of the cleave.
>pvp in general, especially feast.
>>343789383
Now you can skip mechanics by just pushing enough DPS
>>343789272
Yoshida has every fucking say in every fucking SE MMO since he oversees the entire fucking divsion, he's everyone's boss including XI's team. He's the one who picked Nexon to handle the mobile XI port.
>>343789101
This Gif is fucking brilliant. Shows exactly how Blizzard started caring less and less with each xpac, doing the bare minimum to get by.
>>343789383
>How to spot the shitter whose never cleared savage.
>>343789821
>how to spot a shitter who's never cleared Savage before videos, removed lockouts and overgearing it
>>343789682
Division 5 only handles FFXIV and DQX
Division 3 handles FFXI
>>343774967
Between beast tribes and dungeon roulettes there's a decent amount of content 50-60. I also saved most of my sidequests for alt jobs tho.
Queueing for dps is typically a 20 min wait, so for levelling, lvl 50, trials, and main scenario roulette you have a healthy 5 hours or so of daily content, which is more than enough for me at least.
In between those you have beast tribes, hunts, and whatever side quests you saved. All in all it's not bad daily content, if a tiny bit repetitive.
>>343789101
>Legion is ten dungeons
>one of which is gated behind a rep grind
>another is Violet Hold but with new bosses.
Its certainly a step up, but not much of one. And mythic dungeons, we already know are useless as gear ilvls are all randomized, but LFR gives far better gear due to trinkets and item sets. Not to mention the extreme loss of utility moves and the tank/healer changes detailed here
>>343788561
promising that dungeons will be a faceroll fest as always.
>>343790070
Except Division 5 also handles XI, retard. DQ's division partially handles DQX development but 5 still oversees MMO operations, Division 5 handles all FF MMOs and all SE MMOs, period. This is from XI's fucking credits.
Is there a MMO out there that's more polished than FFXIV? When I say polished I mean receive battle content updates every 3 months, the game client doesn't run like shit with random FPS drops or texture popping, and the game has good production values and doesn't look like a cheap Lineage clone.
>>343790305
They helped out the last update, that doesn't mean they are fully responsible for all of XI's current decisions.
>>343764189
Stop with the MMO meme. MMOs devalue player skill and active gameplay in favor of grinding/time investment.
The "massive" part never actually matters, you always end up restricted to small groups.
>>343790787
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/03/10/final-fantasy-xiv-producers-square-enix-division-working-new-project/
Fuck off retard, Division 5 oversees all fucking MMO decisions, especially money making decisions like extra paid storage, kill yourself.
>>343790305
Why is that XIfags hate XIV so much?
>>343785974
>Holy Dreadlord
>basically reverse Corruption
Metzen a Loremaster
>>343790950
except they don't
actually post a real citation instead of being retarded
>>343791018
XI was shitty clone of eq with less everything(it's like comparing teso and wow)
XIV is very successful clone of wow which was successful clone of eq
It's even more sad than this faggots bring DQ as a spiritual successor of XI despite games having nothing in common
>>343764189
The only current mmo worth picking up is The Secret World, just because setting is best one out there, and community is not shit. WoW is not worth it anymore.
