http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/04/nier-automata-hands-on-preview-i-wanted-to-create-a-game-where-players-would-feel-something-5983324/
>As for localisation, the team working on it is called 8-4. They actually changed a lot from the original script to fit the different regions. That’s because there’s a lot of concepts or ideas that only really the Japanese audience would understand. And so the localisation team really went in and made it so that the English native speakers will really enjoy the game’, he adds.
Fill in the gaps:
>It's ok when _____ does it
>>343763998
Who /no longer buying/ here?
>>343763998
>8-4
how is this censorship you dumb fucking idiot
you all know its the same people who translated the original nier right.
what does that pic have to do with the contents of your post?
This has happened too many fucking times. A game is being made, it's looking wonderful, it's being made with care and love, and the gameplay looks wonderful. Then out of nowhere some stupid shit comes up like this and ruins it.
MGSV
GTAV
DaS3
Witcher 3
Fuck man all I want is to play video games without people fucking it up all the time.
>>343764218
Changes from the Japanese script = censorship.
Are you stupid?
>>343763998
>That’s because there’s a lot of concepts or ideas that only really the Japanese audience would understand
What a load of bullshit
Are you kids really this fucking stupid?
/v/ told me only NoA does bad localizations, OP, you are crazy.
>>343764218
>>343764239
>>343764246
>LITTERALLY it's ok when Sony does it
kek
Not seeing the problem here.
As an american I don't mind if 2B-chan is just 2B.
To be or not to be censored, that is the question.
You dumb niggers don't know the first thing about censorship. It's adorable.
Oh boy
>all these censorship apologists
Holy shit just fuck off from /v/ already
>There are people defending censorship and pretending localization changes aren't censorship too
So it's true. It's not ok only when Nintendo does it.
When Capcom, Sony and Square do it, it's ok.
>>343764065
Like I give a shit about story, I was going to skip the cut scenes anyway. I just want that delicious Platinum Gameplay.
>>343764554
Didn't you know? We are nintengaf!
>>343764438
>some censorship apologist numale faggot took the time to make this
It's 8-4.
Just take a look at all the shit they got their hands on.
http://8-4.jp/gameography/?lang=en
They literally haven't localized a single good game.
>>343763998
>>343764184
>8-4
People will defend this. Holy shit.
Gonna be an easy bingo!
>>343764620
>delicious Platinum Gameplay
Yeah, like that TMNT or korra games. Delicious.
>we have to dumb it down for amerifacts because they can't accept or understand unfamiliar things
every time.
>>343764620
Go play TMNT or Transformers then faggot holy shit. nier was NEVER about the gameplay, even since they announced it was Platinum working on it for automata you bandwagoners ruined every thread just like PC did with Dark Souls, and now you are perfectly fine with the game being ruined just because you don't have enough games already where you mash the left button and then the top button and then dodge right before the enemy hits you so time slows down and you get extra hits in for a second or two and then rinse and repeat
Fuck off.
I'll just wait until I can pirate it. Not paying for butchered vidya.
>>343764839
Don't forget to check the "it's ok when my favourite company does it" square, my friendo.
Getting there!
>>343764873
Retard detected. Platinum has 3 teams.
Kamiya's team doing Scalebound
A-Team doing Automata
Interns doing TNMT and Kora
>>343763998
Depends on what was changed, there is difference between censorship and localization. Many Japanese idioms or jokes don't translate into english at all, which the localization team has to make calls on how to translate it and usually most try to translate into something that means something to english speaking audience.
Censorship is outright changing things to the script or the scenes without care to the original intent of the work. Usually its used to cover up lewd jokes, or remove things like panty shots or cover up exposed flesh.
Censorship is not what the nier team is doing, they are simple making changes so most people can understand the work.
I know this is bait, but there are probably some faggots who will fall for it.
>wants to play Japanese games
>doesn't know Japanese
>>343764302
I assume it's something similar to original nier where the protag was changed from bro to father
Since western audiences appeal to parent/young stories than bro/sis stories
>>343765119
>It's censorship, but don't worry, it's not censorship
????
>>343765058
here
>implying they changed anything important
>implying i don't love cock
>>343765058
Islam, integrity, censorcuck, 4kids, no standards, implications andanime tiddies.
There. You did it. Now you can go being a passive aggressive apologist elsewhere.
>>343765119
>changes are not actually changes
>>343765072
Yeah, now you are using the "b team" excuse of soulsfags.
Question to censorshit fags.
Would you want your games translated as closely as possible to a word for word translation, and then have TL-Notes littered all over the screen to explain intricate shinto related euphemisms your western sensibilities don't even begin to have the foundation or background knowledge for?
>>343763998
I still didn't play Nier because they forced Papa Nier on us even on the PS3 version. I'm still mad.
Since Taro has so many plot relevant side story stuff that aren't all translated I'm just gonna wait until I know enough nip to get Bro nier and everything else. Still gonna support Automata though day one, even if it's 8-4, but I'll replay it in nip one day too.
WE DID IT LADS
>>343765121
>wants to play video games
>doesn't know how to program
>>343765072
Kamiya is the A team you retard. Mikami was A team as well but he left so it's just Kamiya now
MGR director is on Automata
>>343765431
Good. Onto the next thread, sucking Sony's dick.
>>343765501
>Kamiya is A-team
Hashimoto is A-team.
Kamiya is B-team.
These are the same people that did Nier 1, and look what a terrible piece of shit that turned out to be.
>>343764932
>A game
>was never about gameplay
You are the root and cause for the corruption of nice things.
>>343765352
But it's done by most of the people that did MGR.
Games like Transformers and Korra are literally side projects for quick cash grabs and to train new staff.
Besides, there really was a b team because DS2 is absolute shit, but that's not the point.
>>343764620
>Suffers through Nier's awful gameplay and repetitive environmonets
>Doesn't care about the story
What the fuck are you even doing m8
>>343765386
It's your own fault if you're an uncultured swine.
When I play murrican games full of murrican culture reference I don't see french or spanish TL Notes about how murricunts love donuts and 9/11 was baaaaaad.
>>343764341
NoA also used to get 8-4 to do their localizations.
>>343765536
No irony here. Nier's localization is terrible.
>>343765501
>Kamiya is the A team
Have you seen Scalebound? There's a reason Nier Automata's theme is called Redemption Song
>>343765534
After Wonderful 101 and how Scalebound is looking Kamiya is obviously C-Team.
>>343765534
But Bayo 2 wasn't as good as the first one
>>343765178
>>343765331
By your logic, translation is censorship too, because it's not in the language it was written in
>/v/ is so paranoid they think that localisation is censorship
get a grip
>>343765730
Bayo 2 was better in every single way EXCEPT the skill level of the highest skill ceiling. This is a fact.
>>343765694
Looks like Okami.
>>343765729
>W101
>bad
Neck yourself. Easily top 3 with Bayo 1 and Vanquish
>>343765501
Exactly. And MGR director is A-team.
Kamiya just been doing his own things only inviting a group of people close to him. He wasn't A team since bayonetta. I mean just look at scalebound.
>>343765386
When you play a game set in fantasy setting, are they usually filled with setting notes for things that player might not understand? Of course not.
Not everything needs to be fucking explained.
>>343763998
Why is everyone turning gay?
>this thread
>>343765740
>>343765780
>False equivalence
They outright stated they're changing things anons. That's not localisation, that's alteration of the original script.
>>343765780
>overcuck
>likes censorship
cant make this shit up
ITT:
>I-ITS OKAY WHEN SONY DOES IT!
>>343765831
Kamiya please get off /v/ and stop making awful videogames.
>>343765641
So, people in this thread are implying this news is not bad.
>>343765885
changing things to fit a western audience aka localisation
It's """""""""""""LITERALLY""""""""""" okay when [muh company] does it.
LITERALLY
>8-4
Godfucking dammit.
A physics professor and his assistant are working on liberating negatively charged hydroxyl ions, when all of a sudden, the assistant says, "Wait, Professor! What if the salicylic acids do not accept the hydroxyl ions?" And the professor responds, "That's no hydroxyl ion! That's my wife!"
>>343765780
8-4 is the company that removed breast-sliders from Xenoblade X.
>>343765631
That would not happen to be because America has had a a perfect reach around the entire west for the past 100 years of media, would it now? Oh no, nope, it does not have the slightest thing to do with that.
Face it, the entire West has sufficient exposure to American television, news, films, literature, and foods/goods, that seldom do other western nations need to be given a context.
>>343763998
as long as by "localization" they don't mean "let's nintendo this shit the fuck up and meme it to hell and back" which given this is a Toro game I seriously doubt will happen.
>>343765968
In that case every single piece of censorship ever in the history of vidya was to fit a western audience and the censorshit boogieman doesn't exist.
Thread over, lads! This anon right here has declared that it's okay because us westerners don't get it!
>>343765967
...What? That's not it at all.
If this thread was about NoA's localization changes, you'd see more angry posts.
But since it's a PS4 exclusive, you see more apologists.
Wew.
>>343763998
What's wrong with this statement? I don't get why people bring up shit like "censorship" or "bad localization" when they haven't even seen the fucking script yet
Holy shit guys turn on a fucking light on your basement, not everything is shit
>we have to remove things to acomodate them to the european caliphate's sharia law
>>343766057
>It's okay when muh company does it!
Weren't these the cunts that made papa nier because americans would sympathize more with a dad saving his daughter than an edgy teen wolf like who cares i just want my thicc robots
>>343765119
Basically this.. Unless they just outright butcher the localization like some companies have done in the past I don't really see the problem here.
>>343764285
>thinking censorship was the problem with any of those scripts
>>343766129
>8-4
>They actually changed a lot from the original script
Wow I wonder why people are upset.
On one hand, original Nier didn't have very literal translation either.
On the other, I really don't trust 8-4's work after Fire Emblem and Xenoblade.
>>343765852
Translated books have foot notes and indexes for terminology. Your games are going to need that too.
>>343765851
Holy shit fucking kill yourself
MGR is one of Platinumfags worst games. It's short, basic, bad camera, no challenge until final boss, bad music, and started the trend of slapping Bayonetta mechanics onto an existing IP for maximum laziness (korra, transformers, nier, tmnt)
It no wonder that /v/ likes it because the game makes you feel epic for not having any skill. It was fucking astounding to see how many people here had trouble with bladewolf despite considering themselves "hardcore".
>>343766057
remember nier? they'll change entire characters you they want to, they'll remove any traces of homossexuality or any sort of sexual attraction between big age gaps. They'll remove humour, any nip reference, anything that they want to. I bet they're even going to sensor every girl's panties
>censorship fags want the game 1:1 with thr japanese script even whrn there arent english equivalents to idioms and words
Just learn japanese then holy shit
As long as they arent putting 2b in a burka or making actual censorship changes that are actually relevent such as removing tangible content, you need to calm down.
>>343766219
Xenoblade's script was as close to 1:1 as you can get without fucking up the syntax of the dialogue, actually. If they're just doing scripting, I think the game will be fine.
>>343763998
Look, I'm fine with loicalisation possibly being small changes, such as typical Japanese word puns being done differently since it wouldn't make any sense if you translated directly.
But we all know that they're going to change a lot of shit that will heavily impact the story and avoid anything that might offend anyone.
Seriously, is there any fucking valid reason to change the story outside of making typical Japanese jokes fit?
>>343766237
Most of them don't, not everything is a Discworld book or something written by Walter Moers.
During most of my life I noticed translated lines that are completely different from what the nip characters are saying, don't think too much about this, it's just how things are.
Just, when you start shitting on japanese story writing and how shit you think they are, then you need to think about it, because the issue is there more often than not.
>>343766210
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=5w7MZvcqBAA&start1=157&video2=cQfNMZD60yw&start2=19&authorName=
>>343763998
>>343766218
>8-4
GUYS WHO'S MAKING THE PETITION
>>343766193
>>343766191
>>343766279
>it's L I T E R A L L Y okay when Sony does it!
this... is.... #4theplayers... whoa...
>>343766279
>making actual censorship changes that are actually relevent such as removing tangible content
And 8-4 has done that before.
so instead of 2chan memes we have reddit memes
>>343766138
>adjusting a script's jokes/dialogue so they'll be better understood by a different culture
>Nothing in the actual game is changed in terms of visuals
I miss the days when most of /v/ didn't give a shit about Drakengard/Nier games.. Please go away we're lucky to even be getting this game without you faggots trying to ruin everything.
>You didn't buy a cuckststion 4
Phew
>>343764296
Are you? There's a difference between censorship and localization. Who knows what the fuck those triangle rice patty things are? It's much easier to just go get some real food, and it's not censorship if they go eat hamburgers instead.
In b4 the main character is changed to a fat black woman to 'appeal to western tastes'
>>343766257
Don't care.
The gameplay is good so deal with it.
Why don't you blame bayonetta for having it's mechanics slapped onto other games then?
>>343766193
8-4 has a severe track record for butchering, though.
>>343763998
Well, so now that censorship is widely accepted by society, are you aware that we live in a cyberpunk timeline?
>>343763998
>8-4
enjoy your fucking removed content
>>343763998
Was the girl still a futa in the western version of Nier? Maybe they're making 2B "not a futa"?
>>343766409
Its literally ok when a game is localized. Not censored.
>>343766425
Wait until theres an actual comparison before crying wolf then.
>>343766218
Have you ever compared a japanese script to a localized one?
There is a lot of things that would make no sense because many things only make sense or are enjoyed by those in Chinaland. I'm just so sick of people pretending one script is better than the other when they can't read both
It's the same story with these "localization controversies"
>people claim the dialog was butchered
>pretend the US script is shit
>check the JP translated script
>it is shit too
>put a rug over it
t. That Guy Who Reads Moonrunes
>>343763998
>That’s because there’s a lot of concepts or ideas that only really the Japanese audience would understand.
We live in the Internet era and someone still thinks we are in the 80s.
Don't let me get started on the cunts defending that in this thread.
>>343766409
>>343766138
>>343765928
You see Nintendo this is what happens when you decide that you wont release any fucking games on the Wii U for the majority of 2016.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET. All you had to do was make an F-Zero or a new Mario Kart so we could have avoided these fucks having to much time on their hands.
>>343766587
>outright saying the game script is going to be changed "a lot"
>8-4
ITS
LITERALLY
OK
WHEN
SONY
DOES
IT
>>343763998
How is this "GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP PROTECTING YOU FROM REALITY"?
>literally any changes to anything ever for any reason whatsoever is now censorship
wew laddy
>>343766587
Why should people not draw conclusions based on what happened in past?
Other games 8-4 that no one seemed to mind:
>MGR
>Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon
>Dragons Dogma
>Tales of Graces, Vesperia, Xillia, Abyss
> Rouge Galaxy
>Baten Kaitos Origins
>Soul Calibur 5
>Tekken 6
>Katamari Forever
>Eternal Sonata
>>343766626
Care to give examples what is not understood by us "Gaijins"? That isn't Japanese word puns that is.
>>343763998
>there’s a lot of concepts or ideas that only really the Japanese audience would understand
So it's okay to be racist, just not sexist
>>343766528
kys underage little shit
>>343766587
>Its literally ok when a game is localized. Not censored
You just wait when they'll remove problematic outfits.
Oh, but you will defend them regardless.
>>343766529
Have they butchered this game though or are you just assuming they'll do it because it happened a few times before?
Do you assume your dad is going to molest you every night just because he did it a few times when you were 8?
>>343765997
That was Nintendo. 8-4 can't change those stuff.
>>343766348
I knew dialogue had been cut, but what the fuck was that? Is there more like that?
>>343766648
The internet isn't going to help you to understand Japanese word games, puns, cultural influences, etc.
Sometimes shit has to be adjusted much like your diaper it seems.
>>343766778
Id love to see them pull that on a game that featured hermaphrodites and killing giant flying babies, and had dominant women with shota lovers.
Baka gaijin too stupid to understand glorious nipponese storywriting
Better make it more simple for them. Or else they gonna say they didnt get it
>>343763998
>That’s because there’s a lot of concepts or ideas that only really the Japanese audience would understand
What do they mean by this
>>343763998
>>It's ok when _____ does it
8-4 apparently because pretty much everyone loved papa nier
>>343763998
8-4 is co-founded by a Neogaf mod.
That's all you need to know
>>343766218
Yeah, given that Nier and Drakengard went through the same thing
>>343766840
> Is there more like that?
Apparently yeah.
>>343763998
Eh, whatever.
The first game completely changed the MC among other things, and the sky didn't exactly fall down.
>>343766626
When it comes to games like Fire Emblem, the scripts are shit in different ways.
In Japan, Fire Emblem still reads fairly dry, and is pretty generic.
The script of modern, localized Fire Emblem is more self aware, and somewhat tongue in cheek.
Spicing the script up seems to be common trend in localization these days. The question is if you prefer that, or more dry script.
It's ruined.
>>343765119
anything translated material featuring puns was altered
>>343766739
Not sure about the rest but people did mind shadow dragon and recent takes games
>>343763998
It's NOT ok!
Fuck them im really getting tired of this shit.
They are literally just translating the game from Japanese to English and nothing more. Shit like XCX was not their doing in terms of the breast slider that was NoA. At most 8-4 makes suggestions and then it's still on the developer/publisher to go with those suggestions.
You people are freaking out over nothing. I wish Nier Automata wasn't even getting made at this point just so you guys would go away.
I think what's bad about this is not only is it 8-4, which is known for needlessly removing important plot elements for normalfag marketing, but the fact that there's news posts saying "THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF CHANGES"
If you have media commenting on the changes at all, you fucked up. Keep in mind that even Wikipedia keeps a handy list of everything 8-4 has had a hand in, and almost every title I played with 8-4 handling localization feels like it's missing a good chunk of story.
I've not touched MN9 yet since I regret backing it, but I don't think that had much story to begin with, but I felt like shit was missing from a lot of these games when I played them, and it's just disappointing.
Story isn't as important as gameplay, but it's still pretty important to make the game not seem so fucking dumb.
That said, I might as well get Automata. I have had it preordered for roughly six months already, and 8-4 already fucked up the past two games in the series. Any context is missing from before shouldn't suddenly be important now unless they go full fucking turbokike on the plot.
>>343766763
>kys
>accuses people of being underage
Not my fault your idol Kamiya can't make good games anymore. No need to take it out on other, better games
>>343766469
>Who knows what the fuck those triangle rice patty things are?
You retarded fucking plebeian. They have a name, and it's jelly donuts.
>>343767018
At least they didn't localize "It's better than nothing" with their own spin.
Hahaha
>>343766832
Yes they can. The size of 8-4's localization bill depends on amount of changes that are made, there was one interview with one of developers saying that it's amazing how much work the localization team put in, they hadn't gotten bill that large in a while.
>>343767271
That was for treehouse
Jesus, /v/ can be autistic.
Not that there's anything out of the ordinary, but still, sperging out over changes that either, don't matter, are there to make more sense for your culture or are actually better in general? Don't you have better things to worry about?
>>343766739
Some good games in there, not sure what all the fuss is about.
>>343767175
What are some specific examples?
>>343763998
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE COMPANY BUT PLEASE STOP FUCKING WITH ALL THE GAMES
I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM AND CONTENT
I DONT WANT TO DIE BEFORE HAND
BUT THESE PEOPLE JUST KEEPS ON PILING SHIT AFTER SHIT
FUCK
>>343767016
I just don't understand people shitting on the localizations teams without even looking at the script they have to work with
Everyone gave shit to NOA for the Fates localization pretending the script wasn't shit to begin with
Also, it's their decision to cut out stuff if they want to appeal to a bigger demographic, will the game suffer because of that? Maybe, maybe not. But don't go around saying "THE GAME IS SUDDENLY SHIT" when the game is not even out yet
>>343767486
>>I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM AND CONTENT
Learn
Japanese
Baka
>they did Shovel Knight
>butchered the English script and took out all the glorious American jokes
We have the internet in Japan ya know, we can get the references it's not fair..
Some people might not understand why you'd turn chicken into a chip dip but those of us who follow American culture will understand! I LOVE BUBBA'S SPICY CHICKEN DIP! I IMPORT THAT SHIT!
>>343767486
>I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM AND CONTENT
Then go learn Japanese and import your games.
R E A D
T H E
A R T I C L E
THE QUOTE IS TALKING ABOUT THE >ORIGINAL< NIER. >NOT< NIER AUTOMATA
LEARN TO READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE FALLING FOR OBVIOUS BAIT HOLY FUCK
>>343767431
8-4 was in charge of Localization for Xenoblade Chronicles X. Remember that? Most people got upset about underwear, but the story details removed gutted almost everything that referenced the original Xenoblade Chronicles because it was apparently too religious, and might offend someone in a church.
>>343767527
It wasn't shit? Entire conversations being replaced with "..." "..." "Your relationship grew!" is dumb as fuck.
>>343767617
I don't have to read the article to know that it's about Automata.
After all, /v/ liked the first game, and if it had censorship in it, /v/ wouldn't have even given it the time of day, so they're not talking about that game, surely.
I got into Japanese media because of the lewdness and the hyper violence you take it out and it makes me less interested in the product or I may even skip it.
Somewhat liberal translations are ok as long as they are done by someone who knows what they are doing ala Alexander Smith who translated FF12.
>>343767617
You again.
You've been proven wrong in the other thread already so fuck off.
>>343767486
>I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME IN IT'S ORIGINAL FORM AND CONTENT
but you don't want to learn Japanese to do it so you let people have either learned Japanese or someone who is Japanese and knows English well enough to do it for you.
Your sloth is your own undoing my dear anon.
>>343767578
Fucking this. We have internet and why the fuck is it so bad for us to be encouraged to actually go out on the internet and learn something?
Sure, I can understand Japanese word puns being done differently, but references and other shit? If you don't know them, you look them up and learn to appreciate the game and even the culture, facts and other shit that it references too.
Should we remove all references to fucking Shakespear and his work because a lot of people don't know shit about his work and plays? Tell me this, pro-censorship fags, why is it so bad for us to be encouraged to go out and learn?
>>343766626
Don't even bother. The weebs like to think they understand languages better than actual linguists. If a had a penny every time I saw some idiot whine about "mistranslation" or "butchering" when the translation was not only completely okay, but also far more nuanced and natural than the slavish Google Translate shit they thought was right, I'd be fairly rich.
This thread taught me that bad localizations are bad and outrageous only when Nintendo pulls them off.
Otherwise "it's ok", "I don't care", "I'll buy it anyway" and similar apologetic shit.
>>343763998
I want this type of advertising to go and stay go.
>>343766528
>>343767185
Dumb nibutabi poster. You attempts to rile people up aren't even entertaining.
>>343763998
>8-4
FUCKING WHY!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA!
This is exactly how SJW's kill the Japanese gaming industry. They know they can't control, subjugate, threaten or scare them into adhering to glorious American SJW values. So they just get people in positions of power with all the translation related companies and "localize" away the problematic content until people give up on buying Japanese games altogether.
This is how it all ends. Not with thunderous explosions of censorship and hostility but with a whimper.
>>343764065
well, I don't have a ps4
so now I don't have to buy a ps4, so I'm pretty happy
>>343764438
Hmm, okay, let's give it a shot.
I've known and played Japanese video games since I was a toddler. But all the games I like are constantly censored, like Dead or Alive! We should, like, totally boycott this stupid game.
I mean, you don't just change the dialogue, you fucks! That's censorship and oppression. I'm not sure what to do, but you guys understand me. It's all because of those lame publishers who keep ruining these things. They must be Islamic.
Now it's butchered! It's like buying a sports car, but being told you can't buy the red one because it's an offensive colour associated with the patriarchy. Why can't it be more like Fire Emblem, that game was dope!
I've been forced to question the integrity of games lately. This is as stupid as chicken nuggets with peanut butter!! I might as well pirate it. I'm not gonna buy the Japanese version to support the devs.
DON'T TROLL ME! But yeah, if the game is censored, the game is shit, because of eh... eh.. It's all about artistic freedom bro! Lol censorcuck, something about 4kids, hahaha I'm samefagging.
There are no standards anymore!
>implying censorship is a good thing!
IT'S NOT ABOUT ANIME TIDDIES! It's about anime ass..
And this picture is totally relevant!
Did I do it right?
>>343767719
Did they actually change story details? I couldn't find any information to that effect. More specific examples?
>>343766936
so that's why all the mods are acting like circlejerking children
>>343767857
>playing Nier Automata
>"oh shit I don't get this particular pun I better pause the game, go to the internet and spend the next 20 minutes researching this one line."
>repeat this XX times through out the entire game
Man am I glad they didn't try to adjust the script to better fit an international audience because I sure got my $60 out of this 200hrs* out of this game (*20hrs of actual gameplay).
>>343765386
There will never be a complete 1-1 translation unless you plaster the thing with translation notes, and if you change it to fit the language then it's censorship anyway. Not everything translates, puns and jokes in particular.
>>343768073
>I didn't get this pun
When has this ever happened?
>>343767967
Don't worry once Trump becomes president sjws and libtard polices like NAFTA and TPP will go away and you'll get real competition where you'll get real translations instead of half ass translators that are obviously doing it because they failed at life or thought whoa my liberal arts degree doesn't get me a job!?
>>343768073
>>"oh shit I don't get this particular pun I better pause the game, go to the internet and spend the next 20 minutes researching this one line."
Or you do what normal, non-autistic people do and look things up after your gaming session.
Also, I already mentioned Japanese word puns being an understandable reason to change it. Learn to read, faggot.
>>343767759
>I don't have to read the article
That perfectly sums up /v/'s panic about everything. Not the guy you replied to here, but I just read the article myself, and it was referring to Nier 1.
>>343767914
Says the Umaru poster.
>people
nobody but you cares
>>343768005
As opposed to the mature, level-headed, and certainly not angry people here?
>>343767940
Yeah why would they use the same localization team after the localization of the original game got praised to hell and back
>>343767617
They're talking in the present tense. 8-4's doing Automata as well.
>>343768141
Never because we never get uncensored scripts in America.
I love how all the people complaining can't pirate the game out of anger
>>343767719
>It wasn't shit? Entire conversations being replaced with "..." "..." "Your relationship grew!" is dumb as fuck.
>bringing up le meme image
Do you even know the context for the conversations you are bringing up?
I remember that particular conversation because i actually played the game you fucktard. The conversation was between 2 assasins who had different missions, in the JP script, they pretty much tell to the other "Hey, i'm an assasin!" wich is completely retarded since they are trying to not get caught
In the US script they imply that they know who the other is and what they work as without having the need to write down for the player "Hey, these guys are assasins and know eachother". The US script was better handled than the JP one by a landslide
>>343767998
This. People who complain about the dialog being butchered only operate on meme images, they can't read moonrunes either, implying they CAN'T TELL WHAT WAS BUTCHERED OR NOT. And they act like the removal of ANYTHING is bad (It is bad on paper, but it is also bad to judge it as so without even informing yourself of the reasoning behind said cut). I wish these retards didn't even talk about a game they were not going to buy in the first place
>>343768342
This is why no piracy is a good thing.
>8-4
Top tier localization incoming
>>343768209
And your original response was to a post of mine making fun of overly concerned fucks like you.
It's going to get translated no matter what you say but please continue crying although it's not going to change anything.
>>343768141
Never, because you wouldn't even know it was a pun in the original japanese anyway unless it was localised.
>>343768465
I too hate when translations aren't 1:1
>>343768373
>it's ok to be lied to as long as I don't understand it.
Man, fuck this shit and all those ok with it. Companies keep doing it exactly because of spineless people like you.
I get HARD. I get absolutely soaking WET when idiotic weebs get ASSMAD over people enjoying the English voice
options/Localizations in video games and Anime. They are made for a reason, for people who enjoy understanding the characters and
contain many passionate performances. OH NO MY WAIFU SEIYUU FROM JAPAN WHO WILL NEVER EVER CARE ABOUT ME OR ISNT IN THE GAME
ANYMORE PRE ORDER CANCELLED!
And every SINGLE ONE OF YOU is like it too you look DOWN on people for making a simple perferential CHOICE that does not AFFECT YOU
at all! Friends invite me to watch Anime or play a Japanese video game and I ask "Is it in English as well?" and you can always
just hear the DISAPPOINTMENT in their voice as they say yes as if I RUINED their lives or something. The Spite FULFILLS ME.
You spend so much time DEFENDING an industry that does not give TWO FUCKS about you on an anonymous IMAGE BOARD. Japs don't give a
FUCK what you think or what you think yet you throw your money at a over glorified voice acting industry thats over SATURATED with
the same 4 voices that they use just to launch MUSIC CAREERS to take more money from all you neet SHUT INS. Go die of dehydration
after you fap to your voice actress shrine one too many times please. PLEASE.
>>343768342
I'll be sure not to buy it and not recommend it to others either, don't worry. That's the advantage of working on fucking gamestop.
Starting to spread the word asap.
This could just mean changes to jokes or delivery of dialogue
Will wait and find out.
>8-4
Oh no
No
Please, I need this game. I've been looking forward to this game more than anything else in so long
8-4 please step up your game for this one.
>>343768607
>missing the point
More like people complain about OK jobs at localization and their only arguments are meme images like >>343768465 that brings up a translation that is not even fucking acurate
>>343768526
So what you're saying is that you have no argument against what I said? Because that's what it sounds like.
What reason should we not be encouraged to learn about other things and cultures? Again, would you be fine if they removed references from Shakespear because the people of a country did not know his work? And you do realise that there's plenty of Japanese games and cartoons that make references to Western ideas, cartoons and other things and yet they seem to manage to have no problem doing it.
So I ask you, what is the problem? Why are you so afraid of more direct, pure translations?
>>343768615
if only we could go back in time to tell people to not like Nier so that Automata wouldn't get localized
>>343768793
>anybody who disagrees with me is memeing!
>>343768760
I'm sorry for your loss
>>343768785
>>8-4
>Oh no
>No
>Please, I need this game. I've been looking forward to this game more than anything else in so long
This makes no sense. You were looking forward to the game presumably because you liked the original, which was also done by 8-4 and which also had a lot changed from the original game. Why would you be looking forward to it less now that you know the translation team is the same?
>>343763998
>Localization now equals censorship
>It's ok to get a game translated with google translate
Holy shit, you fucks are so stupid.
>b-b-but muh 1-1 perfect accuracy
>but muh censorship bogeyman
>but muh shitposting bingo to avoid doing my own arguments
If ""censorship"" bothers you so much then learn japanese instead of doing these cringeworthy threads.
>>343768809
>Shakespear
Please fucking stop spelling it like that there is and E at the end of SHAKESPEARE.
You invalidate everything you say when you keep posting with it spelled like that fucking christ.
>>343768793
It's a rough translation you turbo retard and the point of the image is to point out how there's a complete shift in tone of what's happening as well as shift in the personalities.
Are you seriously going to claim that complete changes in tone of the story and shift in character personalities are fine? What reason would they have to do that? What possible valid fucking reason would you have to change that? What of the original dialogue couldn't be "Understood" by the western audience?
Tell me.
>>343768851
If only people would request good localizations instead of being completely ok with bad ones.
>>343763998
>Literally what localisation is supposed to do, localise
>People somehow interpret it as that they're censoring it
Literally how? You're not going to understand those fucking Japanese jokes.
>>343768981
>and
Please fucking stop speling it like that there is no D at the end of AN.
You invalidate everything you say when you keep posting with it spelled like that fucking christ.
>>343769030
>You're not going to understand those fucking Japanese jokes
Not everyone is stupid as you.
>>343768981
You do realise that you're pretty much admitting to having no argument when you focus more on the spelling than the argument itself, right?
Though you tards that defend this shit tend to be stupid so it's hardly a surprise.
>>343768981
>>343769030
samefag, calm down sperg
>>343768959
Nier and Drakengaurd is such a creator driven series that I want it as fresh from Taro's hands as possible
I just want them to not fuck it up like they have done in certain translations more recent than Nier.
>>343768809
>Why are you so afraid of more direct, pure translations?
I'm not afraid I just don't care. I get all the Japanese food/cultural/etc references for the most part since I've followed Japanese culture long enough but I again don't care if they're not in a mainstream release like this.
This isn't visual censoring it's adjusting a script to make things more digestible for a larger audience who unlike you doesn't give two shits about Japan.
>>343768981
>>343769014
Good thing you're here to not point out what's bad about it
>>343769000
I really hope that dude responds to you. I am legitimately interested in how this plays out.
That's fine, I wasn't getting it anyways.
>>343769106
Yeah, I bet so many people will understand jokes that LITERALLY only people who live in Japan will understand.
>>343769149
Stop being a fucking retard.
>>343768981
Shakespere literally spelled his own name that way at times m8
>>343768967
Localization can be used as a tool for censorship if the team decides to go that route. They then hide behind "localization" as a justification for all the changes. See the shitty stuff 4Kids did, they never once admitted to censorshing anything. They always framed it as "localizing".
Looks like we can't talk about Automata anymore without a bunch of goobers whining
>>343769145
>>343768809
>smug I won an argument on the internet against another anonymous person face.png
seriously go outside please for your own good.
>>343768732
just use bold instead of caps
>>343764285
Nothing ruined any of the games you mentioned but MGSV.
>>343768809
>What reason should we not be encouraged to learn about other things and cultures?
Yeah let me whip out google every 2 minutes to understand this question about Japanese history or a person or a joke that you can't fucking know otherwise.
Fucking weeb.
>>343763998
who fucking cares
NIER was dogshit and the sequel is going to be just as awful
8-4 is literal cancer and I avoid everything they work on because it always ends up being shat on by them. Fuck I wanted Automata.
>>343769229
>made a, as in singular, typo here
>>343768809
>Shakespear
>>343767857
>Shakespear
When someone does it over and over again it shows a clear inability to not understand how something is actually spelled. I can forgive it just once but twice? No.
>>343769030
Because I can never understand American jokes, either.
Or French. Or German. Or British.
Monty Phyton became world famous due to the mass localisation of their British humor, obviously.
Because you can only ever understand one culture, your own.
>>343763998
>Had terrible graphics
People always say this about Nier, but that seems like a major overreaction. It's not like Nier looks like Akiba's trip or some shit, it looks fine.
>>343766739
So its not a loaded gun to Automata's head, just Russian Roulette. At least there's some hope.
>>343764670
>MGR
>not good
>>343768872
>>343769000
I love faggots like you two, there is absolutely nothing your invalid complaints can even do to stop anything from happening
You are like that basement "LE HARDCORE GAMER" weeb who
A: Can't even read moonrunes, so how do they understand what's getting butchered, if anything at all in the first place
B: Thinks a game's story is butchered because dialog is changed, and will even go as far as complaining about conversations that serve no purpose in the story
C: They automaticly asume anything cut is a bad thing without knowing the reasoning for it, will probably go around yelling stuff like "SJWs" or "Tumblr"
D: Complains about games that are not even out yet
You weren't going to buy it in the first place anyway
>>343769000
Not him but they probably thought that talking about killing cute dogs is "upsetting" to western audience or some retarded shit like that.
I still don't see how they've managed to come up with what's on the left though.
>>343769328
>tfw no more Nier threads without censorship shitposting from both sidesIt's kind of ironic, because Drakengard 1 is the most heavily censored game I've seen, but Drakengard threads weren't filled with shitposting about it.
>metro
Literally train-tier paper
So we're just generally against the concept of localization now, before we even know any of the details?
>>343768732
>options/Localizations in video games and Anime. They are made for a reason
removing something from the game isnt an "option"
it removes the option
>>343769641
Maybe all the people that were upset at that played the Japanese version instead of shitposting
>>343769568
nice ad hominem
>>343769000
Well if you feel so strongly about it why don't you write a letter to 8-4 and let them know how you feel rather than bitching about it anonymously here.
Oh wait you wont do that because you like to vent here but you wont actually do anything regarding the things you espouse so vehemently for.
>>343763998
This game needs to come out on PC now.
No way in hell i'm buying the original version for this piece of shit.
>>343769641
That's because censorship has become a buzzword now
Drakengard was mainly censored to appeal to a broader demographic, its bad that happened, but i'm not angry about it because it's mainly developers trying to increase sales
>Be anon
>See company that I hate censoring things
>Start complaining about censorship
>See same thing from a company I like
>Say I don't care about censorship
I'm onto you, bastards.
What kind of changes?
>>343769568
were you flailing your arms when you wrote this, cry more
>>343769823
You'll still be reading the english text lmao
>>343769309
It can be done for shady agendas, but it is always necessary to change words to make a proper understandable translation. These things are always called LOCALIZATION for a reason.
Some changes in dialogue need to be made to translate anything from one language to another, especially when it comes to japanese, as those guys have unique words that can perfectly describe the personality, backstory, sex and even the place of origin of the speaker.
If you want to get pristine unchanged dialogues, then you'll have to learn japanese.
>>343763998
> b-b-b-but ONLY NINTENDO CENSORS GAMES!
DEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLEEEEETTTTTTEEEEE THIS
>>343766237
It's fucking Nier you nigger, not Deus Ex.
There are no complicated concepts. The game isn't even that japanese, it's a fantasy. There's no real reason to change anything unless it's a play on words. To assume I won't 'get' just because i'm not japanese is obnoxiously pretentious and rude, and a personal insult to me.
I like japanese games because they expose me to a different way of thinking and designing. If I wanted a western game, i'd play a fucking western game.
Can we tweet kamiya to change this bull shit or something?
So we get Zero?
>>343769778
More like they didn't have /v/ to shitpost about it being censored back when they first played it.
>>343769787
Not that guy and not mad about this yet but I've written plaenty of letters wheb actual censorship is happening and so have others on /v/
>>343769247
You know he fucking wont, he relies entirely on the argument that everyone is overreacting and it doesn't matter.
>>343769207
And the problem will be how they adjust it. It's one thing to make Japanese word puns fits or make a joke fit, another when you change story and character elements. What people here are concerned about is not that characters say hamburger instead of rice, but rather that there will be changes akin to >>343768465
I already said that I'm personally fine with small localization changes that are meant to make jokes sensible to a Western audience and other things similar to that. It's not that changes happen that people are opposed to, it's the changes to the story and characters that concerns people.
>>343769609
>Not him but they probably thought that talking about killing cute dogs is "upsetting" to western audience or some retarded shit like that.
That is probably the reason behind it, yes.
>>343769472
>Monty Phyton
At least try to spell it out properly. They're just fucking zany, not that their jokes are le British. If their jokes were about British government and characters that aren't hugely known and shit - you wouldn't understand single shit about it. Likewise for politics in general and pretty much THINGS THAT ONLY TOUCH PEOPLE IN THAT SPECIFIC COUNTRY.
>>343769764
>before we even know any of the details?
Gotta shitpost and panic as soon as possible to get those (You)s.
>>343769878
>Be retarded
>See someone say they like thing
>See someone say they don't like thing
>Come to the conclusion they're the same person because I'm retarded
I'm onto you
