Why does /v/ hate this game so much?
because it's bad without mods
that was easy
>>343761215
Because no one who actually likes playing games come here
Because after 500 hours of playtime I've picked apart so many flaws and it's inexcusable.
>>343761215
Because it's shit.
>>343761215
Because it's /v/.
>>343761215
>Stripped away the last of the RPG mechanics that Oblivion had (which pales in comparison to Morrowind's)
>Same face
>Very little armor variety, lackluster vanilla Daedric weapons
>Dragon fights are fucking tedious after the first 20 or so
>Endgame quests are fucking tedious
>Every quest is a fucking fetch quest
>Every quest follows a strict, linear path, known to bug out should the player deviate in some situations
>Illusion of choice, but no actual choice, as every quest and faction intermingles at some point, minus the College of Winterhold
>Classes are nonexistent, you can be a master archer blacksmith magelord heavy warrior
>There are like 200 dungeons, all of which are linear, except the Labyrinth one
>Enemy variety is pretty shit
>Unrealistic houses ("11 buildings in Skyrim's capital city")
>Cut content, underwhelming civil war, short main questline
>Difficulty settings just make enemies sword sponges
>Trap/hazard variety is absolutely pathetic and easily recognizable
>AI sucks, stand on a rock and blast em with magic, they won't do shit if they're melee
And finally
>It succeeded commercially and a bunch of kids, casuals, redditors, and girls talk about it, which is the main reason /v/ doesn't like it
>>343761215
Same reason they turned on the Witcher series.
Popularity.
Find some game that sold under 500k and they will gush over it.
500k to 1 mil it gets hit or miss on like/dislike
For every mil over one the hate grows like a weed.
>>343761215
because its popular but not good
>>343761781
Thanks for summing it up so I don't have to.
>>343761215
Because the final fight with Alduin is a generic dragon fight. Instead of the end to the main quest feeling important, like I've killed the God of Destruction, all I get is this sad feeling of, "Oh, so now all I get to do is complete fetch quests ad infinitum and maybe become a vampire."
>>343761215
Because its mediocre as all hell but is praised by everyone as some sort of amazing breakthrough in video gaming
is there any good overhaul mods for skyrim?
I dont feel like downloading 200 diffirent tiny mods. I prefer bigg and good overhaul mods
>>343761215
Because it's popular.
Then it became popular to hate it, so it started getting alot of "wasn't that bad" threads
Now that is popular so we hate it again.
>>343761983
> Literally puts vidya into the popular media on it's own
> Not a breakthrough
A breakthrough doesn't have to be a good thing, you idiot
>>343762164
>We
Kill yourself Immediately
>>343761215
Because it's bad without mods and people are retards
>>343761215
Because it's popular.
But also because a lot of the systems were "dumbed down" from Morrowind and Oblivion, and because the combat is kind of meh, among other things.
>playing skyrim for the first time
>get sick of fighting through dungeons filled with draugr and the rotating animal pillar puzzle
>decide to join the thief's guild
>get told to keep my heists tidy, not to kill any one
>end up having to kill people for every quest
>final quest ends up going through a dungeon filled with draugr and rotating animal pillar puzzles to return something instead of steal something
>ok, decide to try my luck as a mage
>manage to get in knowing only magelight
>get taught how to use a ward spell, doubling my magic arsenal
>apparently this is enough to get me promoted to arch mage
>end up going through a dungeon filled with draugr and rotating animal pillar puzzles to save the world
>this is kind of ridiculous
>decide to join the bard's college because there is no way this can end up like the other things
>have to go through a dungeon filled with draugr and rotating animal pillar puzzles to get an epic ballad that you end up making up the words to anyway
>>343762319
>Literally
>Puts
>Vidya
>Into
>The
>Popular
>Media
>On
>It's
>Own
Fuck no. League of Legends eSports bullshit did that. Call of Duty did that a good two years before Skyrim came out. Skyrim is the capitalization, the plundering, the reaping of vidya being in the popular media. It's painfully obvious skinners box replayability bullshit.
>>343761792
This.
/v/ is filled with hipster twats.
>>343762104
Google ya fuck
>>343762554
google this autist
*unzips dick*
>a couple of guys have made lists of why the game is bad
>retards still come in regardless and blurt out "because its popular"
Can you please stop posting?
>>343761792
>>343762554
>Witcher 3 is liked on /v/
>Ur just a bunch contrarians
Every time
>spend hours downloading and installing mods then even more time trying to find the one mod you have installed causing crashes
>finally get it working
>start my adventure as a demon loli
>get raped by three people within the hour
>combat is still terrible
>quests are still bland
>the world still feels empty
>game still feels off
there's only so much texture and sex mods can do for it.
>>343762164
I liked the Witcher 3.
>>343762319
>>343762445
super mario did that, you underage fuckers. my mom beat super mario brother in the 80's. now if you give her a controller she wouldn't know what to do with it.
>>343761215
The world is barren of content besides dungeons
The cities are all stupidly small and have nothing going on, especially compared to previous TES titles
Most quests are fetch quests
The shouts are mostly useless, the melee combat is terrible, and the spells are boring and underpowered
Really I just hate it because it's massively dumbed down from Oblivion. But of course, everyone here just hates it because it's popular. Why else would everyone else like it, right? Certainly they're not all brainless retards who confuse fun and complacency?
>>343762425
>>decide to join the bard's college because there is no way this can end up like the other things
>>have to go through a dungeon filled with draugr and rotating animal pillar puzzles to get an epic ballad that you end up making up the words to anyway
Kekd pretty hard anon
combat is an awkward mess, totally unsatisfying
story is shit
huge map with little reason to explore it
generally not fun, just felt like a huge time sink. it felt very "quantity>quality"
Honestly, there are tons of valid reasons to hate it (boring quest design, bad skill system etc.), but I'd say that popularity is the reason why it actively gets stomped on here. If no-one liked it, it would just fade into obscurity, but people liking it gives /v/ a reason to backlash.
>>343762736
Troika made Vampire the Masquerade.
It legit had to be fixed by the mod community.
It sold under 250k lifetime.
Hailed by some as one of the greats.
Bethesda made Skyrim
Mods add better boob physics and hipster trash claim mods fixed it.
Made a Billion+
Called an affront to gaming..nay humanity by some.
Ray Charles could see /v/ is filled with hipsters and contrarians.
>>343761215
It has generic story and shitty gameplay. Only porn mods can save it. Also it was dumbed down from previous releases
>>343761215
Because it's one of the unholy trilogy of games that Grrrrrl Gamers and other Bizbanga nerd wannabes constantly .
It's also really bad unmodded.
>>343761215
Because after Oblivion it became a meme to hate Bethesda, Todd lying became a meme, despite him never having lied about anything in skyrim they still called him a liar.
Skyrim is a great game and a nice addition to the series, but it's "epic for the win" to hate it, so /v/tards mindlessly spout that it's bad and "needs mods to be good"
no one who full on hates Skyrim is a fan of the series or has ever played it
It's popular
>>343763365
idiot
>>343761781
But it's fun and comfy
Not to mention immersive
>>343763220
>Called an affront to gaming..nay humanity by some.
Shut the fuck up you melodramatic faggot.
The game is mediocre. Reasons were given and yet stupid faggots like you and
>>343763393
just waltz in and blurt out "bcuz its popular xD" while ignoring the complaints.
>>343762783
>ruin the game with sex mods
>complain about it
??
>>343762783
>>start my adventure as a demon loli
>>get raped by three people within the hour
Fake story, loverslab went full SJW and forced any form of sex mod to not work on characters below a certain height to prevent them from working on children
All this complaining sounds like the typical "The game didn't turn out like I wanted it to so it sucks" /v/ complaint.
>>343764193
>Loverslab is the only place that carries sex mods
>>343763791
That is not an argument.
>>343764542
But I really enjoy the game, despite all the flaws you listed. They don't actually detract from the experience from me.
>>343763808
Eat shit hipster trash.
Find a new hugbox.
>>343761215
Everyone who says "becuz it's bopular xD /v/ is contrarian!!" has either no taste or has never played this pile of shit game.
>looks like shit
>the quests are shitty written and feel like the same all the time
>the fighting system is literally Fallout tier melee combat with 2 actions
>spells suck
>AI is dumb af
>archery is boring as shit because ^
The only single good thing about this game is that it's open world and you can explore a bit with your own character. That's it. And this is why it get's boring after 50 hours MAX (unless you're a total reddit pleb).
>but m-muh mods
Shut up. The mods maybe turn this game into your ugly anime waifu simulator but it will still play like fucking shit because you can't fix the combat and boring world. If you want to somewhat enjoy this game download Enderal but don't expect too much.
>>343761215
To me the game is a very hollow experience. It looks good and all, but you really just walk from point A to point B and pick up an item and bring it back. It doesn't have any real depth.
>>343762104
Better to ask at /tesg/ they'll know more about it.
Off the top of my head though you might want to look into either Requiem or Perkus Maximus. Be aware though that they don't tend to play nice with huge load orders (you will need patches).
>>343763323
>Because it's one of the unholy trilogy of games that Grrrrrl Gamers and other Bizbanga nerd wannabes constantly .
It's also really bad unmodded.
First of all, if the "HURR WE ARE GAMERS" community likes it, that's their problem, not the game's fault
Second, a lot of Obsidian games wich are praised even today are horrible without mods, whenever someone recommends an Obsidian game or a previous TES game, they also recommend a list of mods, so don't go around putting games like New Vegas, Morrowind and Oblivion when you have to download GBs worth of mods just to make the game fun
>>343764969
>looks like shit
That's subjective and the game still looks good, if you don't like the artwork then say "I DONT LIKE HOW THIS GAME LOOKS", but saying something like "It's shit because i don't like it" just shows how you can't stand other people liking something
>Anything else on your list
This game was aimed toward casuals so it's understandable how they made the game easier. That's not inherently a bad thing
And you still judge things being shit because you don't like them. You sound like "LE HARDCORE GAMER" nerd who developers never try to aim games towards because you are the most unreliable audience for them
Don't forget this game was aimed towards people who never played TES in the first place too
>>343761781
>Stripped away the last of the RPG mechanics that Oblivion had
False
>Same face
False
>Very little armor variety, lackluster vanilla Daedric weapons
Which is fine because this isn't one of your JRPGs where you get a new set of armor every level
>Dragon fights are fucking tedious after the first 20 or so
Opinion
>Endgame quests are fucking tedious
False
>Every quest is a fucking fetch quest
False
>Every quest follows a strict, linear path, known to bug out should the player deviate in some situations
False
>Illusion of choice, but no actual choice, as every quest and faction intermingles at some point, minus the College of Winterhold
False
>Classes are nonexistent, you can be a master archer blacksmith magelord heavy warrior
This is a good thing
>There are like 200 dungeons, all of which are linear, except the Labyrinth one
False
>Enemy variety is pretty shit
False
>Unrealistic houses ("11 buildings in Skyrim's capital city")
True
>Cut content, underwhelming civil war, short main questline
True
>Difficulty settings just make enemies sword sponges
True
>Trap/hazard variety is absolutely pathetic and easily recognizable
True
>AI sucks, stand on a rock and blast em with magic, they won't do shit if they're melee
False
>>343761215
Honestly? Because people wouldn't shut up about it.
Skyrim will always be a medioce game overral, but in /v/, reviewing is quality/popularity, it was the same thing with Undertale.
>>343765597
>the game still looks good
It came out the same year Battlefield 3, Crysis 2 and rage were released.
It looks like fucking garbage at the time and it and its looks like fucking garbage now.
>>343762319
SNES did that 25 years ago you goof
>>343764969
How fucking jaded are you?
>Someone points out flaws that exists in every TES iteration
>somehow said someone still loves morrowind
>>343766179
What Fallout 4 mod is that?
>>343764969
No shittier than local favorite Obsidian.
Imagine if Bethesda came up with a modern fighting force from Ronto fighting a group of Tribals based on the Spartans fighting over the power plant at Niagra Falls as the plot of FO4.
That would go well around here.
>>343761781
>>Classes are nonexistent, you can be a master archer blacksmith magelord heavy warrior
Classes in TES games have always been shit. Don't even try to pretend otherwise. It was always just a skill and attribute boost at the start of the game which could easily be overcome just by practicing. There was no significant disadvantage to being a certain class unlike most RPGs.
You could be a master archer magelord heavy warrior in Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion.
If they decide to bring back classes, they should actually make them matter in some way, not just be a word in your character sheet.
>>343768291
Classes suck
>>343761340
This
>>343766843
It wouldn't go well because Bethesda can't, or more truthfully can't be bothered, writting anything worth a damn for their red-headed stepchild franchise.
>>343765876
the dungeons are incredibly linear he was right about that. they were clearly designed to accommodate stealth archers.
>>343765876
>False
Then why don't you post your argument? Instead of just saying false, explain us why you think he is Wrong? Wich he is not, he summed up everything very nicely.
>>343768446
Ask Stormcloak or Imperial on any board here and then come back and tell me again about Bethesda bad writing.
Aide from the repetitive dungeons and enemies, Skyrim's biggest offense is that it pretends to have depth. Character dialogue and quests are forced and shallow, yet have just enough of "substance" that they can claim it's deep and immersive. Case in point, the civil war, where you first think "Oh wow, an interesting world conflict" until you realize that none of the battles matter and nobody will recognize that the war is over during the end. It's like Bethesda is making an advertisement. It screams "Wow! Look at all the interesting stuff!" and blue balls anyone who isn't mindless. It feels gimmicky and forced and like the developers are mocking you.
>>343769518
And also the pitifully small cities. It's just so overtly fake and shallow that the immersion is lost. It's kind of like the uncanny valley at points. It's just not satisfying.
>>343770154
I'm going to ask you this once: do you have autism, or are you just spoiled?
Skyrim is a living, breathing world, and the cities feel just big enough.
>>343770675
>You're wrong you have autism!
Credibility lost
It's only polished like a living breathing world. Even Oblivion was more immersive.
>>343770675
I believe you are the one with autism.
it's overrated by normies but underrated by /v/tards
>>343769019
There's nothing else to say, he's wrong plain and simple, he's lying for the sake of creating an argument that doesn't exist
>>343761336
And mediocre at best with a ton of mods.
>>343765876
>Stripped away the last of the RPG mechanics that Oblivion had
True
>Same face
Semi-true
>Very little armor variety, lackluster vanilla Daedric weapons
Daedric weapons were pure shit, and unless your armor was Daedric, you would probably forget what you were using
>Dragon fights are fucking tedious after the first 20 or so
True
>Endgame quests are fucking tedious
Found the fucker who loves drauger
>Every quest is a fucking fetch quest
You forgot the ones where you have to go and kill something
>Every quest follows a strict, linear path, known to bug out should the player deviate in some situations
True
>Illusion of choice, but no actual choice, as every quest and faction intermingles at some point, minus the College of Winterhold
True. Also College of Winterhold might as well be mandatory since everyone never shuts the fuck up about it
>Classes are nonexistent, you can be a master archer blacksmith magelord heavy warrior
This is a bad thing
>There are like 200 dungeons, all of which are linear, except the Labyrinth one
I don't know man. I once saw TWO doors that led to the same room
>Enemy variety is pretty shit
You know a dungeon is going to be diverse when they have you fight a skeleton instead of a drauger
>Unrealistic houses ("11 buildings in Skyrim's capital city")
Always asumed there was more, but they only show what the Dragonborn thinks is important enough for his attention
>Cut content, underwhelming civil war, short main questline
True
>Difficulty settings just make enemies sword sponges
True
>Trap/hazard variety is absolutely pathetic and easily recognizable
True
>AI sucks, stand on a rock and blast em with magic, they won't do shit if they're melee
Kind of true, but since just about everyone carries a bow it's negated
>>343772883
>This is a bad thing
This alone invalidates your argument
The entire purpose of TES's skill system is so you can be whatever you want
>>343761792
>Order 1886
>>343773259
I just think it's weird that you can be everything just like that. Would be nice if you had a explanation for why you can do all this insane shit.
>>343772470
>He's lying and wrong because I say so, I don't have to prove it or elaborate on my reasons
Good job
It's not as bad as /v/ says, but not nearly as good as normalfags say. The main problem I have with it (besides how dumbed down it is) is how generic it is. Morrowind had so many crazy, freaky creatures that were all cool and exotic, skyrim just has
>undead
>skeleton
>spider
>fire, storm, and leaf spirits
>giant
>mage
>bandits
>dragons
i mean, holy fucking shit it's like a grab bag of the most generic fantasy monsters possible.
>>343773506
Why does everything have to be explained to you?
You can do it because you the player have the freedom to, make your own story for why if it matters that much to you, you don't have to become a master of everything, that's entirely up to you.
>>343773701
>falling for apathetic bait
Good job
