Gentlemen, how do we save Team Fortress 2?
MORE. HATS.
Cute girls.
>>343728791
Let it rest in peace.
>>343728791
port it to source 2 with male and female characters.
>>343728910
seconded
It's fine the way it is
>>343729243
this
Teach Valve how to balance a video game properly.
>>343729243
>>343729405
we'd have to teach valve how to develop a video game before we do that
>>343728910
Someone should make a tf2 mod where all the characters are anime girls.
>>343729569
True.
>>343728791
Wait about a week?
>https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/729824004215689217
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxGGI8O8JM
>https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1508954&p=50494059&viewfull=1#post50494059
By the way OP is a fag
>>343728791
Find a decent server and ignore the cancer
>>343730116
I sincerely hope this update does something substantial. Even if it doesn't I'll still love the game, but it's gotten stagnant lately.
>>343730375
Easier said than done, anon.
Go back in time and prevent Overwatch from happening.
>>343728791
Release TF3
Seriously, how's the comp mode?
>>343729663
There is a touhou mod.
>>343730116
If it's another fucking retarded video of the characters and a shitty comic book..
I'd be pretty happy but ffs we need actual gameplay updates. Fuck competitive. It's too late and dead.
Beards
>>343731313
valve can't even deliver the comic properly
when they first announced it, it was supposed to be 7 issues total, released on a bi-monthly basis
this was something like two (coming up on 3, i think?) years ago, and we're still waiting for the 6th
>>343730116
>>343730519
Last I heard Valve isn't as far along on the updat as one would think knowing all the hype around it.
More QTF/TFC weapons.
Give me the TFC v TF2 update already.
No matter how hard I try, I really just can't find any enjoyment in TF2 anymore.
>>343728791
It's far too late, the damage has been done.
Turn it into a moba
More MVM or are they done with that shit already?
>>343728910
>>343729663
>>343731276
>Trying to cure cancer with weebshit cancer.
No.
>>343731571
You know, I think every class except Scout has a beard item that isn't all-class.
>>343731225
Your basic comp in a nutshell..
A player has left.
A player has left
A player has left
I had ten matches like that, same people kept leaving and you earn no points from it.
>>343728791
>mfw barely anybody plays this piece of shit anymore and fedora tipping neck beards are enraged about it
>>343732085
That's a shame. I'm not reinstalling for that. Thanks Anon.
>>343728910
We could add more classes. Maybe we could make the matches shorter too.
Nah, that shit would never sell.
By not trying to release a competitive mode to the public 10 years after release.
>>343728910
TF2 is a husbando game, not a waifu game.
>>343728791
But overwatch already mercy killed TF2
This corporation sits on billions of dollars in cash and they hire the cream of the crop. Wanna know why? So they can sit on their asses, pay themselves stupid amounts of money (millions of dollars each, it's the Goldman Sachs of Vidya Gaming) and they do absolutely nothing. Think of the sorts of games you would make if you had even fifty million dollars at your disposal, and look at the sort of games that Valve has been making for the last 9 years. It's a fucking joke.
>mfw no Spy in Overwatch
So many players fixated on one thing at the time would be perfect for some Spy action.
>>343728791
By taking away hats, adding females, improving graphics and adding a tiered competitive mode. Oh wait
>>343733560
Maybe we'll get a Spy in a future update/DLC.
>>343733560
>wanting that faggot
Ruiner of fun
>>343730519>>343731313
>I sincerely hope this update does something substantial
We know for sure there's four taunts being released, we know from b4nny that there's "something both for competitive and casual players", we know that competitive is obviously coming out, and both Slin and B4nny are quite happy with the update.
>If it's another fucking retarded video of the characters and a shitty comic book
Actually, the SFMs and the comics have been very popular. One thing I see constantly in TF2 threads is people asking "comic update when?"
That said, I agree gameplay updates would be better. I want Pyro and Spy to be given skillful ways to be useful in comp, and I want cancer unlocks like Crit-a-Cola nerfed, and a new Medic, Spy, Engineer, Heavy or Pyro unlock would be nice too. Also gameplay optimization, and maybe minor map balance changes (like the viaduct_pro tunnel being added to Viaduct).
I have hope for this update. The hype behind the literal trainwreck that was EoTL was driven by community speculation, but the hype behind this update was specifically driven by Valve themselves, as well as two different competitive players and one trader, so this time I expect a lot more substance.
>>343728791
>Gentlemen
FUCK OFF SPY
>>343732238
Bait?
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
The game is dead, but seriously, what happened to the comics? There are supposed to be 2 more issues.
>tfw the last "Meet the X" video came out 4 years ago
>tfw Meet the Spy came out 7 years ago
>tfw TF2 is nearly a decade old
>tfw Valve hasn't released a new game in 3 years
I just want my fun company to come back, everything feels so soulless these days.
>>343734171
>Expiration Date came out 2 years ago
I really like this and Overwatch, I wish there were a crossover or something. Soldier 76 or Reinhardt would be pretty fucking nice in TF2
>>343728791
Valve has already ruined it by being lazy jewish cunts that take almost a decade before even considering adding a game mode that should've been at launch
>>343734169
>The game is dead
quit this meme
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
i play in australia and all through the day and all through the night to 5AM, there will be a minimum of two fully populated Valve servers, and a maximum of 40, and that's not even counting all of the community servers which also stay well-populated.
This game isn't dead. Third most played game on Steam is not dead. What SHOULD die, though, is this shitty meme.
>>343734171
>tfw the last "Meet the X" video came out 4 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlLQ3LmZWU
You're right about them not making new games though, it fucking sucks.
>>343734498
Nah man, Blizz and Valve are in a blood feud ever since Valve nicked the concept of Dota 2 out from under their noses. They even had a lawsuit over it.
>>343732238
I want blizzard shills to leave.Please don't delete this thread too.
>>343734016
>>343735135
Why are you replying
>fixing a game that has past its golden age
not possible.
Vanilla
>>343734651
It's kind of interesting that they still haven't made a video showing the administrator despite her model being available, I'm guessing they're waiting for a finale to the series.
>>343735395
There was also that video recently showing Valve is working on Saxton Hale renders.
>>343728910
only if they're as violent and dumb as their male counterparts
>>343735395
That's a good point. I've seen an interesting theory that Pauling is Administrator's clone, maybe they'll both have a Meet the Video together.
We do have a Meet the Director comic, at any rate, which gives us a little insight into Administrator.
http://www.teamfortress.com/meetthedirector/?p=1
>>343735580
Any chance they might be making their own Saxton Hale maps?
I honestly only go on TF2 these days just to play variants of Saxton Hale.also just noticed there's no lewds of the chicken lady from Expiration Date
>>343728791
It's time for a TF3, we can do better than this.
Too bad Valve can't into 3s.
>>343735945
If TF3 ever comes out it will be a good decade after everyone's stopped playing TF2.
>>343735805
I've been putting off reading the TF2 comic series for the longest time, I think I might get into it soon.
Should I just start from the very beginning?
>>343728910
>>343728791
Make a tutorial for using the server browser.
>tfw no TF2 animated series on adult swim
>>343736048
That would probably be for the best. Let the TF2 community die to the point where it's no longer profitable to keep updating the game. Then start developing a sequel and (being Valve) take ten years on it and let the release ride on the coat tails of hyped nostalgia for TF2. It'd be a hit.
>>343736532
Go ahead, man. There's a lot to read and some of it is quite good.
http://www.teamfortress.com/comics.php
>Should I just start from the very beginning?
You might want to look at the update comics, which were released before the story ones, first, so that everything makes sense.
Start in the "update comics" section and work your way from the bottom to the top, then once you've read those ones, go to the "TF comics" section and work your way down.
>>343734016
And how many of those people are just sitting around on trade servers, trying to jew a few dollars out from each other?
>>343734365
How the fuck is time moving so fast?
>>343737224
I'm actually in a trade server right now, and nobody is even doing any trading, they're fighting each other. Most trading is done on third-party sites or the Steam Community Market now.
>>343736532
forgot to add: start with this comic mate http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day07_english.htm
I want to get into this.
Any advice?
>>343737224
every time
>final comp stress test
>still no weapon whitelisting
>no penalty for leaving
i beat a team following the meta by running 6 gunslinger engis
valve doesn't give a fuck about tf2
>>343733560
I'd imagine it would play exactly like spy but with no invis and you shut down ults instead of turrents
>>343737397
You have to be 18 to browser /v/.
>TF2fags still shitposting
When will they learn.
The only populated servers now are 2fort, trade_minecraft, and MARIO_KART.
TF2 died due to community content yet they still parade that Overwatch sucks without it
>>343735737
What about Soldier's new gf/Heavy's sister? What would she use if she got in the game somehow?
>>343737717
>I haven't played the game in years but still shitpost about it.
>>343737502
>valve doesn't give a fuck about tf2
lol remember how the dude who made the Hazmat Headcase updated it, and also made it equipable by the sniper as a joke? He though VALVe would tell him off, instead the lazy fucks just added it anyway.
>>343728791
They spent the last 10 years nerfing everything to be boring and "balanced"
Blizzard just released a game that made every class overpowered and fun.
>>343737841
I'd rather have completely new characters than try to shoehorn in ones from the comics. I already find Miss Pauling annoying. Besides it wouldn't make sense, the comics are currently set after MVM.
>>343737913
I just open up TF2 two days ago
You're a fucking liar, anon
>>343737929
>>343737929
>tfw almost got an unusual one of those in a trade
>>343737397
Into what, Team Fortress 2? Okay, here are some tips:
Don't buy weapons from the Valve Store, they're overpriced. You can get pretty much everything you need by buying a single key from the Store for 1 dollar, which will also upgrade you to premium and give you a free hat. Then you can trade that key for every single weapon in the game. Or, you can just wait for weapons to drop for you, and getting enough achievements also gives you weapons. Stock will do you fine for most things, weapon unlocks mostly aren't vital.
If you're good at twitchy aiming and dodging, I recommend playing Scout.
If you're good at predicting where straight projectiles will go, play Soldier.
If you don't want to aim much but you have good timing and gamesense, play Pyro.
If you are great with predicting where arcing projectiles will go, play Demo.
If you are good at following a target in motion with your mouse as it moves around quickly, play Heavy.
If you like strategy and you're strong at managing lots of things at once, try Engineer.
Play Medic if you like healing, you're good at dodging,
Sniper is obvious- play him if you have precise aim, full stop.
Play Spy if you are good at dodging, timing, and psyching out people.
Don't wear the Ghastly Gibus or Pyrovision Goggles if you can help it, they make you look like a Brazilian HUEHUE.
Go into advanced options and turn on autoreloading, make your HUD "minimal", and turn your FOV (field of view) from 75 to 90. These things will give you an edge over other players who don't have them.
>>343728791
Let her die.
>>343738197
kek m8
>valve servers almost always full
>shit ton of full orange servers
>everyone is playing, friendlies are insta-killed
>get kicked for afk for the time it take to write a post.
go back to shilling your shit-tier chetoos meme character designs
>>343738197
Not him, but you're wrong about the only populated servers being "2fort, trade_minecraft, and MARIO_KART"
this is a screenshot I took just now from my server browser.
Funnily enough, Mario_kart servers are actually the dead ones.
>>343738913
>orange servers
>>343738957>>343738197
Forgot image.
>>343728791
>>343738891
Just because a game is past its golden age doesn't mean it's dead. TF2 is still a good game, and it's still fun as a comfy shooter to pop into for a bit.
>>343739195
I've played 2000 hours of TF2 and I still want more. The gameplay and graphics are still totally serviceable, the game still works, video games aren't cartons of milk.
Counter-Strike's core gameplay has been going since the 1990s and you don't see people saying it's "too old".
>>343731313
>2 new reskins, a taunt and new robo hats
TF2 at this point is like a 1980's Toyota. Yeah it's a great car, but it's still fucking old and anything you do to it (outside of replacing stuff) is just polishing out-dated technology. Even Counter-Strike has had numerous iterations because of how dated the older games are on numerous levels.
TF2 really just needs a port to Source 2 that imitates the original while fundamentally revamping it. It also needs a hook now that every game and their brother has cosmetics or microtransactions.
>>343739583
>a taunt
4 taunts, we know that much. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHy7G7ndrUmq933tLi_nTlFlvmJKZpmAi
There are 4 "private" videos on that channel, the same thing happened before Gun Mettle was released.
>>343738913
>valve servers almost always full
10 year old ADHD fucks who don't know how to play. They've been a joke in the community for years
>shit ton of full orange servers
Kill yourself
>everyone is playing, friendlies are insta-killed
What a fucking joke
End your life, you dumb shitposter
>>343739064
>Valve server
Again, fuck off
>>343739830
This is right its a fucking 10 year old game. We need TF3.
>>343739830
>TF2 really just needs a port to Source 2
Would be a bit too hard, for multiple reasons:
>Performance (CS:GO's system requirements went through the roof when it went to source 2, and TF2's would be even worse)
>Coders who worked on the original TF2 code are gone (working on someone else's code is like trying to perform surgery based on notes written in really shitty handwriting, so transferring Source 2 would inevitably cause a lot of bugs)
>Voice actors for TF2 characters are getting sick or aging, they won't always be able to record new voice lines
It would be easier to just make Team Fortress 3 at this point. I'd miss the TF2 characters, but apart from that it would be wonderful to start with a fresh art style and a game that learned from all the mistakes of its predecessor.
>>343740020
There is literally nothing wrong with Valve servers
>10 year old ADHD fucks who don't know how to play
wrong, Valve servers have plenty of people who know how to play the game, and capture objectives while building sentries, healing each other, and shooting.
I rate your post bait/10, which is fine by me since it just gets this thread more replies
>>343740178
9 years actually, it won't be 10 until 2017, but yeah i'd like to see Team Fortress 3 at some point too
How about classic servers? Servers where they rollback the game before the medic update.
>>343740020
>the game is dead
>here is proof of it not dead
>no that doesn't count
You're a fucking child
>>343740429
This should be a thing. A week ago the item servers went down for a bit and i found out that thats actually fun and refreshing.
>>343731607
Quality over quantity.
Maybe... change the gameplay a bit? Like, ultimates and stu- nevermind.
>>343740383
>There is literally nothing wrong with Valve servers
The people who play on them are garbage, you always have 8 spies and snipers at any given time doing absolutely fucking nothing and no medics ever. People who can't even fucking find their way out of spawn and have the situational awareness of a brick.
Don't pretend like it isn't, I play them every day and it's always the same shit. I have to go soldier and demo and carry these stupid fucks or nothing gets done. Even the other "pros" are dogshit, it's just pub star pyro and soldier mains with the DM skills of a wet paper bag. Criticize your team? This is what you get
>its just a game bro xddd
>*lenny face*
Everyone who is actually good at this game left years ago.
By the way all the engies in this image spent the round trying to do the pit glitch at last.
>>343740441
Yeah, if you play on servers filled with kids and newfags, then yes its dead
>>343740383
this post
>>343741549
pretty much said everything for me
Fuck off
>>343732238
I bought overwatch, played 50 hours, now I'm back to playing tf2 again instead. I was in denial at first because i thought i would get sucked into it more, but it only got less interesting the more i played because it's repetitive as fuck. No ones going to be talking about that boring as fuck game a few months from now lad
>>343741719
>>343741549
>>343741996
>he based his whole opinion on one isolated incident
when did feminist discover 4chan
also don't try to deny and say its every game, because I am currently playing, and its not, and have been playing forever and this happens very rarely
>>343742090
found the valve shill
go huff gabe's shit stained undies you obvious faggot
>>343742649
>one isolated incident
>>343742896
>>343742896
>chat spam is relative to playing the game
literally the same as talking shit
try harder
INTENSE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE GAMEPLAY
>>343728910
this
>>343743308
what do new player have to do with competitive?
I'm still having fun and there's literally nothing you can do to stop me.
Can't wait for the new update.
>>343743308
>new players constantly
>tf is dying guys I'm telling ya
Sure it is.
By quitting it, seriously.
Every server, every fucking server has at least 3 enginiggers that try to do those epik xdd map glitches or an aimbotting sniper spamming his cool *lenny face* git gud binds. If you somehow don't have both types of players on the server, you'll have an autist soldier/demo main with their god damn kritzkrieg medic friend on the other team and there is nothing you can do about it because even if you try to stop them other 5 jose.hernandez.2008s won't do shit.
Don't even bother with comp because
>A player has left the match.
Yes, I'm mad.
>>343743642
What is up with all the mexicans in this game?
>>343743627
>new players constantly
HUEs on toasters install it because its free, waddle around spawn for a few minutes, then uninstall. If you want to play on something that isn't a valve server you're shit of luck, 1000s of servers and 99% of them are fucking trade servers.
Just let the piece of valvetrash die.
>>343741549
>dies 18 times in a valve pub
>thinks he's good
>>343743642
>Every server, every fucking server has
>If you somehow don't have both types of players on the server, you'll have
That's, like, every 10th game for me at worst. I'm not even playing any seecretclub private servers.
>>343743884
Muh community servers.
>>343743627
>640 hours
I hope you're not thinking that's impressive
>>343743978
Maybe I'm unlucky, anon. I'm glad you don't have to experience that shit.
>>343743884
>with no map rotation
What if I want to play specific map until my head hurts?
>>343739470
The valvedrones walk among us.
>>343741996
okay so everyone online video game is dead, congratulations you can never play online video games again.
>>343744135
Of course not. But I'm still having a blastnot even tried spy yet. Maybe after 2k+ hours I'll become as angry as that anon with "this_is_why_tf2_sucks_and_you should_feel_bad_about_playing_it" pics, but for now I'm happy with this game.
>>343743910
Feel free to post yours m8
>>343741549
>>343741996
>you always have 8 spies and snipers at any given time doing absolutely fucking nothing
Yeah, sick exaggeration man. At most there will be 2-3.
>People who can't even fucking find their way out of spawn
Again, exaggeration. Don't you have any real arguments to present?
>Criticize your team? This is what you get
You need to try being less of a cunt. When you criticize people they get their back up because, considering the rest of your post, I'd say it's highly likely you come off as a total and utter twat.
If there are too many Spies on your team you say something along the lines of "hey, there are lots of Pyros on the other team guys, now might be a good time to change" and they do without the shitty memes. It always works for me.
And don't pretend Overhyped isn't without these problems, either. The useless Hanzos and Genjis for example. But I'm not going to exaggerate like you and pretend that EVERY public OW match is full of Hanzos fucking around.
>fuck off
No, you. This is a TF2 thread, nigger.
>>343742896
>>343743308
>WOAH MAN THESE IMAGES FULL OF 20-30 LINES OF TEXT IS TOTALLY INDICATIVE OF THE 10,000s OF MESSAGES MADE IN TF2 EVERY DAY AND IS TOTALLY NOT CHERRYPICKING LMAO
Can you try making an argument for once that isn't cherrypicking and bullshit statements like "most players can't find their way out of spawn"?
>>343744225
>defend game you enjoy
>must be a drone
lmao
hey dude you're a faggot nigger cuck. if you say you're not, you're a drone
>mfw i only played overwatch for two weeks before going back to tf2
nice 'tf2 killer' blizzdrones
>it's a "youtuber uploads some map breaking exploit and says he's only doing this to get valve's attention on the exploit" episode
>valve does nothing about it
>balance patch every month
>listen to community feedback
fucking done.
also perhaps do an optimisation pass on the top 10 most played maps and top 30 most popular cosmetics. My gtx 980 shouldn't be getting under 100fps from a 2007 game.
>>343745071
>it's a "every shitter you come across in a pub server is trying to replicate the exploit for the next month" episode
>tfw doing the upward glitch is the only fun you get from tf2 nowadays
>>343744720
>At most there will be 2-3
>AT MOST
>Again, exaggeration. Don't you have any real arguments to present?
Plenty but you're just going to keep denying reality.
F2P have been mocked for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30L7L35VOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7DEs3fADU
>You need to try being less of a cunt
nice ad hominem dude.
>"hey, there are lots of Pyros on the other team guys, now might be a good time to change"
and this is the response
>xdd we need 12 spies! lol!
assuming you get any response at all which you usually wont.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cm2iFmASBc
>And don't pretend Overhyped isn't without these problems
I'm not defending overwatch you stupid cunt, I think overwatch is a casualized mess compared to TF2 but you are fucking delusional if you think its without problems. Get off valve's dick. They are fuckups.
>Can you try making an argument for once that isn't cherrypicking and bullshit statements like "most players can't find their way out of spawn"?
Can you do something other than move the goalposts?
>>343743884
Convenient that your tags exclude stuff like "mvm", and that we can't see all your tags.
There's also nothing wrong with 24/7 servers so long as there are different ones up (which there are). If you get bored of the map, you just swap servers.
>>343745909
It's not my image but here I'll make one for you right now
inb4
>t-that d-doesn't count
>>343745909
>There's also nothing wrong with 24/7 servers
I've played every stock map on valve servers to death I don't need to play dustbowl 50 more times I already have the map memorized like the back of my hand. Hell you'll have a hard time finding even less commonly played stock maps, the only shit available is dustbowl, 2fort, turbine, badwater, and upward.
>>343746343
What's wrong with skial? There's always a lot of players with 1-2-3-4+ thousands hours played.
>>343743884
>join community server
>it tries to download mlp models and 50 gigs of wav files
>>343746749
>not just disabling this shit
Literally two clicks in settings.
>>343746634
They suffer from all the problems I mentioned >>343746567 and on top of that 3/5th's of their servers are fast respawn.
I am not a drooling idiot if I wanted to play the same maps all day I'd just go to valve servers and at least there I can play some viaduct or badlands from time to time.
>>343728791
ban the shitty overwatch roleplayers/shills
nobody cares about you playing a shitty game, but spamming shitty english chineese characters in chat every 2 seconds and other shitty roleplaying bullshit, should be banned.
>>343745735
>2012
>2012
>2014
>2012
>2012
Uh uh. I can go to a fully populated Valve server right now, in the year 2016 anno domini, and AT MOST, there will be 2-3 Spies/Snipers on my 12+ man team.
In fact, as I was writing this post, I went into a bunch of servers to check. I picked servers with 23/24 players.
First server I entered: ctf_turbine. 2 Spies, 1 Sniper, out of 24 players (me included).
Second: pl_upward. 3 Spies.
Third: cp_process. No Spies or Snipers.
Fourth: ctf_hellfire. 2 Spies 1 Sniper.
Fifth: pl_barnblitz. 1 Sniper, 1 Spy.
Sixth: cp_degrootkeep. 3 Snipers, 1 Spy. (different here because Spy and Sniper are actually strong classes in Degroot, with Sniper's ranged weapon and Spy's melee instakill).
Seventh: cp_mountainlab. 2 Snipers, 1 Spy.
Eighth: cp_junction. No Snipers, no Spies.
"you always have 8 spies and snipers at any given time doing absolutely fucking nothing" is totally wrong. Not to mention that out of the 2-3 Snipers/Spies, at least one of them is usually likely to be half-decent. And the others will be shit, but they're at least going to do some measure of chip damage.
>F2P have been mocked for years
F2P are a fucking MINORITY. The guy standing around shooting bulletproof glass is one guy out of 100.
>nice ad hominem dude
Well you're the one using anecdotal evidence in the first place to make these claims about TF2.
>and this is the response xdd we need 12 spies! lol!
That used to happen to me when I told people they were being useless and a dead weight being Spy. When I started simply saying "hey guys, don't play Spy, the Pyros will kill you", I stopped hearing that.
> but you are fucking delusional if you think its without problems
Where did I say that? And new players are an acceptable price to pay for having a larger playerbase, and I think Valve made the right decision. I'd rather play against bad players than against bots. I always have comp leagues for a challenge.
>>343747201
>Uh uh. I can go to a fully populated Valve server right now, in the year 2016 anno domini, and AT MOST, there will be 2-3 Spies/Snipers on my 12+ man team.
https://a.pomf.cat/ggtbmz.png
that sure doesn't look like 2-3.
>F2P are a fucking MINORITY
>source: my ass
>Well you're the one using anecdotal evidence in the first place to make these claims about TF2.
Yeah videos from several of the biggest TF2 youtubers isn't good enough, anything less than a fully documented research report doesn't count. But I'm just supposed to take your word for your arguments, yeah ok buddy.
>>343747201
>And new players are an acceptable price to pay for having a larger playerbase
>I'd rather play against bad players than against bots
So what you're saying is the game would be dead without F2P? Well gee whiz if only there was a way to solve this problem like not putting out updates a year apart that are riddled with gamebreaking bugs and shitty uninspired weapons and maps and pushing old players away by killing off thousands of community servers and bringing in third world monkeys who couldn't give a damn about the game.
>and I think Valve made the right decision
Tell that to UGC and ESEA who are losing teams left and right.
>>343747698
>F2P are a fucking minority
>new players are an acceptable price to pay for having a larger playerbase, and I think Valve made the right decision. I'd rather play against bad players than against bots
>totally not making shit up as I go
>>343747698
Fine, I concede in some cases that there can be more than 2-3 Spies and Snipers on your team.
Now you can concede that your own fucking screenshot shows the statement
>"The people who play on them are garbage, you always have 8 spies and snipers at any given time doing absolutely fucking nothing and no medics ever. People who can't even fucking find their way out of spawn"
is incorrect, because there aren't 8 Spies and Snipers, and your spawn room is empty hence they CAN find their way out of spawn.
>>source: my ass
Again, just like the majority of your posts. And by "F2Ps" I mean the kind of F2Ps that get mocked for stupidity, not the competent ones.
>Yeah videos from several of the biggest TF2 youtubers isn't good enough
They're videos for the purpose of comedy. Do you actually think Sniper shoots people with his knife? In the same way, no, it is not a common occurrence for entire teams to be comprised of Snipers.
>>343748269
>is incorrect, because there aren't 8 Spies and Snipers
8 spies and snipers between both teams.
>Again, just like the majority of your posts
I've posted screenshots and videos with all of my posts, you have posted nothing.
>I mean the kind of F2Ps that get mocked for stupidity, not the competent ones.
If they were competent I wouldn't be stomping every pub I join. They're all shit.
>They're videos for the purpose of comedy
The fact they exist at all shows they're an issue in the game.
>>343748513
I'm done arguing you tell yourself whatever you want valve cocksucker obviously no amount of evidence is enough to convince you. Just a reminder valve announced competitive before overwatch was even started and the game is already out with ranked mode before valve finished and this years summer update is breaking the record for longest amount of time between major updates. Don't be surprised if next year's is even longer, if we even get one at all.
>>343728791
Just came back to the game after a nearly 2 years long break and it's great, I like all of the additions (like new music) except for latency now shown graphically instead of the numerical value.
>>343748912
>can't even reply properly
lmao
>>343748513
>8 spies and snipers between both teams
Then actually say that next time. And it's still wrong, you don't ""always" have precisely 8 Spies and Snipers in the server.
>you have posted nothing
Wrong, I posted a sample of playercounts in servers right now. You posted meme videos and a screenshot of "too many snipers" links from fucking 2012.
>If they were competent I wouldn't be stomping every pub I join. They're all shit
What are your hours? Also keep in mind that you're American.
>The fact they exist at all shows they're an issue in the game
I suppose nope.avi existing means that Engineers with long necks is an issue in the game too? The Christmas Morning comically exaggerates the amount of Snipers. There are extremely rarely anywhere even near that number.
>>343751461
>except for latency now shown graphically instead of the numerical value
You can turn that off in "Advanced Options" under "HUD Options", just tick "display ping values as text on the scoreboard" and it'll do the same thing it used to.
I haven't played since 2012.
I want to give it another go out of nostalgia.
Will I be sorely disappointed? I forgot why I stopped playing, the game is STILL fun in my mind, but it seems my biggest issue was actually finding a server worth playing on. It was like going to a mall and seeing nothing but dollar stores.
>>343751925
Hey thanks.
It's well past it's lifespan
Let it die
>>343752704
>lifespan
what
It's definitely the comfiest FPS right now. And it's F2P too.
>>343752267
>Will I be sorely disappointed?
Well, since 2012 Valve has balanced a lot of weapons, mostly for the better, a few for the worse. A lot of the ones that people used to complain about heaps have died down now.
If you remember the Dead Ringer and Cloak and Dagger, for example, they've now been balanced to be equally useful, with the DR reworked and nerfed, and the Cloak and Dagger buffed. Also the Gunslinger got reworked. So in that way, you might not be disappointed.
There's a lot more content too, more maps, some more weapons, weapon skins, hell of a lot more cosmetics, and Mann vs Machine got some updates.
>>343733864
>Having pyro-like cancer
>not wanting spy
It doesn't need saving
it had a lifespan triple that of an average multiplayer game, and by now many have moved on or are ready to
it's about as good as it'll ever get and that's okay
>>343753074
> Extinguishing a teammate will now return 20 health to the Pyro.
Huh...
>>343737717
Good mappers should be the only people allowed to make custom content for games.
>>343754080
It doesn't matter that much in practice, but it's pleasant anyway
>>343728791
>waifus
>overly manly dudes
>edgy gois
>gender bender girls/guys
>magnets
>profit fellas
>>343733560
Playing overwatch. With my pocket med. Suddenly check behind me for spies. See a friendly McRee. Stare at him for a good 5 seconds until I realize there are no spies in the game.
>>343728791
By turning the clock back to the time before the medic update
>>343732085
This. I ended up congalining in a match because one asshat descided to leave in the middle of the fucking match.
>>343755578
Yeah this.
I don't really care that vanilla TF2 was the Soldier and Demoman show because those are the most fun classes.
Valve is really bad at making things that are strong while also still being fun to play against and unlocks were doomed from the start because of that.
>>343756283
>vanilla TF2 was the Soldier and Demoman show
So, no point in going back?
>save
TF2 is already dead and denial won't change that
I've enjoyed TF2 for 7 long years, but nothing lasts forever.
Such is life. It's time to move on. Buy Overwatch.
>>343728791
More maps
More weapons
Put dead ringer in the trash
>>343756283
Soldier is still the most OP class in the game
>>343745071
The vast majority of exploits got fixed tho,name one that still works right now
>>343756698
nah that's a tossup between sniper and scout in unrestricted tf2
a good sniper with darwin's dickhead shield+heatmaker, or a good scout with sodapopper, cancercola and atomizer can be a terror
why aren't you playing this game /v/? it's like overwatch but free :^)
>>343732048
If two cancers collide then they both cancel each other out!
>>343733560
backstabbing the retards who bought that piece of shit would be too easy though
>>343757429
It's free for a reason, you dingus
It's like Overwatch but bad
>>343758046
But Overwatch is like Overwatch but bad
>>343756480
>no gaudy cosmetics destroying FPS
>no cash shop
>no payload
>no quickplay killing community servers
plenty of reasons to go back
Valve has more money than god and they give you hats.
>>343743308
How do I erect a Rectangle as Bob the Builder
> Cosmetics alreadly raped the visual art style
> Items are a fuck fest, unbalanced pieces of shits ranging from worthless to upradges.
I've bought this game on a retail, still got the box. Valve raped this game and then shot it in the head. I was alreadly afraid when they introduced the Bill's Hat, an item which did not fit TF2's universe at all. But it got worse.
All of the polish TF2 once had is gone. Getting your weapons is a pain in the ass. Drop rate is well, fucking random, crafting asks tons fuck of you and people trade for cosmetics. Or are pain in the as to deal with.
For fuck's sake, I miss the times when I got my items via an achivement, I fucking hate F2P model, I can't take any game under it really seriously. I hate what TF2 has become.
I am sick and tired of these cosmetics, they aren't even good, all of them look like shit ever since community started to make them and Valve got too lazy.
Putting community models into the game was the most retarded idea ever. Game looks like shit and it's an excuse from Valve not to put any effort into the game.
New weapons don't provide any new strategies or give us new ways to play, like Huntsman or Demoknight. The new weapons are just fucking stats, and they're ugly. They don't have their own fucking taunts, voice lines. It's all empty. This game is so fucking souless now.
I hate the fact the game can get away with it being so unpolished due to it being F2P, I hate the fact the weapons cost so much and can be bought, you cannot earn weapons by playing well even if you bought the game and isn't just a F2P idiot.
I want TF2 to die, its community that plays the game are all just F2Ps who don't even properly talk to the team mates or are kids who use a microphone.
I used to love this game when I bought it back in 2009-or-so. TF2 was the REASON why I started using Steam service. Now the game has become a jew wanting money from shitty cosmetics.
>>343733560
fuck that, we have 2 snipers and that's bad enough without a third wasted slot
>>343745071
>find a server with cp_freight on at the time
>decide to join since I haven't played it in forever
>my team can barely push into the last point area
>mfw seeing 5 engis in the skybox with Level 3s
>mapvote fails
I wish Valve would act fast to prevent this shit from happening for months. It's tolerable for maybe a week but even then the novelty has worn off already.
>>343737502
>no penalty for leaving
I mean sure, if you ignore the penalty for leaving there is no penalty for leaving.
How can we save it, isn't it dead already? I mean how long as it been, 9 years? 2007 right? I loved TFC and eagerly anticipated TF2 and I got it a year or two after release and it was great for sure but it's gotten progressively worse and now it just feels old, tired and on life-support. Do people even care anymore?
>>343728791
TF3. No sense in trying to save the Roman Empire, just destroy it and let Catholicism do what it needs to do.
>>343740235
>TF2 voice actors are getting sick or dying
Hit me in the sadness, which is rare for me. Game is a shell of it's former self at this point, and that cast, should they consider making TF3, is going to be hard to beat.
>>343733909
I don't think engineer needs to be on that list, he's got tonnes of content.
>Spy, Heavy and Pyro are limited
>Medic, Engineer and Scout are neutral
>Soldier, Demo and Sniper are bloated
That's my stance.
>>343759624
> Game is a shell of it's former self at this point
Sadly, the Mann.Co Store, F2P. I am sad what TF2 became, it's just filled with people who are throwing their money for cosmetics.
>>343728791
TF2 has been dead to me for 5 years now. Valve killed it with all these fucking updates to point of changing what the game is about.
>>343759831
The cosmetics would've been fine if they game was stuck behind a paywall. They'd have to appeal to paying customers rather than a litany of little brothers and manchildren who just want burning team captains and shit. F2P is the bottom of the barrel way to keep a game alive, and that's by getting everyone who is too young or broke to pay for something else.
>>343731313
>not enjoying the comic book
>>343758943
>I was alreadly afraid when they introduced the Bill's Hat, an item which did not fit TF2's universe at all
I would agree with many other cosmetics, but Bill's Hat makes plenty of sense.
TF2 is set in 1968. The Special Forces Group, from whence Bill's Hat originated, started in 1957. Bill's Hat is totally period-appropriate to TF2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Special_Forces_Group_(United_States)
>>343759843
or you're just a little faggot who don't like having choices to go about in your game.
I heard final fantasy 13 would be up your alley
>>343760019
It is still from another game though, L4D is drastically different from TF2 and I am not really a fan seeing some kind of cross-overs.
I saw Bill's Hat as a warning, and sure enough you've got your Earbuds and Sam head later on not so late following it.
>>343758243
Then why did the Open Beta have over 12 million players
riddle me this senpai
>>343760032
madfag detected
>>343760189
Because Blizzard and free
riddle my dick senpai
>>343760032
Nigger I had plenty of choices. 9 of them to be exact.
When it got to the point where mini-crits, the dead ringer, mini-sentries, F2P, a cash-shop, a melee-based demoman in a game that is notorious for having absolute garbage melee hit detection, the huntsman, and boots that negate rocket damage for EZ mode soldiers, you need to step back and ask yourself if it's the same game you paid for.
Valve completely changed how the game is played, and I hated it. Balance was thrown out the fucking window because they knew it was more profitable to make as many new items as possible as opposed to actually balancing the ones they already released. The game's art-style went down the shitter once they started adding in these stupid fucking particle effects and dumbass hats that don't fit the time period.
It became a flanderized version of a game I put over 1200 hours into and it's only gotten worse since then.
TF2 is basically Playstation Home since all people care about is the cosmetic garbage. The actual game is irrelevant and has been for a long time.
>>343760189
Lol this shit bait
>>343759242
>Do people even care anymore
Yes? The community on SPUF and Facepunch and TeamfortressTV is waiting with bated breath for the upcoming update.
>>343759758
>I don't think engineer needs to be on that list, he's got tonnes of content
I've done a count of the non-reskin weapons before. Engineer doesn't have tonnes of weapons.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Weapons
>Medic has the fewest weapons (that have stats and aren't just reskins) at 13
>Engie has 15 weapons
>Spy has 16 weapons (incl. the PDA)
>Sniper has 17 weapons
>Heavy has 18 weapons
>Pyro has 20 weapons
>Scout and Demo have 21 weapons
>Soldier has the most weapons/unlocks at 26
My stance, based on those facts, is that Engineer could really do with a new construction PDA that rewards skill more, and focuses more on an offensive engineering role as opposed to defensive area denial.
>>343760325
While both being free Overwatch still had more than 5 times as many players, that's the fun part here
>>343760158
I'm perfectly fine with seeing crossovers if they make sense, like Bill's Hat did. Earbuds and Max's Severed Head were obviously too far because they didn't make sense.
>>343760339
I implore you to CONSIDER the following:
>the dead ringer
nerfed and reworked, nobody complains about it any more except for Spy mains complaining about bugs with it
>mini-sentries
they've been reworked so that they take longer to build and have half HP while constructing, barely anybody complains about them any more
>a melee-based demoman in a game that is notorious for having absolute garbage melee hit detection
demoknight got nerfed into the ground in tough break, you don't have to worry about that either
>the huntsman
only 10% of snipers actually use it, and they're easily killed with an actual gun
>a cash-shop
nobody's forcing you to buy stuff man.
>boots that negate rocket damage for EZ mode soldiers
They don't negate it, they reduce it by 60%. And you lose your Shotgun for the privilege. Gunboats are a positive addition to the game.
>The game's art-style went down the shitter once they started adding in these stupid fucking particle effects and dumbass hats that don't fit the time period
True, I hate that too, but nohats mod recently got updated and works on Valve servers now
http://www.teamfortress.tv/16179/no-hats-mod/?page=12#353
TL;DR- I'm not sure when you quit TF2, but a lot of the imbalances you're complaining about have been rectified.
>>343761036
It's too little too late man. The stuff I was complaining about had been in the game for at-least a year by the time I quit and barely touched for balance. My community gave it up earlier last year.
I stopped playing because it stopped being fun. Too many weapons that dilute the playstyle to the point where classes matter less than they did on release, stupid art style changes, and the garbage cosmetics.
>Overwatch will turn into a bloated, microtransaction riddled F2P game in your lifetime
>>343739830
Basically. Then again, modern gaming suffers from a problem of retrofetishism. Look across the pond to /tg/. People there still talk about the DnD character alignment axis like it meets any modern standard of use. Forget used '80s Toyota, that's a fucking Tin Lizzy from the '30s. Yet people still treat as something other than a historic artifact.
40 years from now people will still be asking "how can we fix TF2", perhaps even if a TF3 is made in the interim.
>>343761745
Probably, let's enjoy it while it lasts.
>>343761219
Okay m8. I agree with you on the cosmetics, but honestly the balance is a hell of a lot better now, and classes do still matter enormously (I'm guessing you quit around 2012?)
>>343761927
end of 2011.
>>343760507
I worded my point poorly. It's not just the number, it's the diversity. Engie's weapons completely change his playstyle. Most alt-weapons for other classes don't. Overall I'd say Engie has one of the highest playstyle varieties in the game.
That said, PDA unlocks and alt Spy disguise kits would be cool. It hits my autism spot.
We don't we wait for TF3
>>343738802
>A good, unbiased, non-shitpost about all classes and helping people
I thought this was /v/
>>343763480
I've tried to make quality posts since 08. Starting to wonder if I have autism or OCD or something, but it doesn't really matter if I do.
>>343728910
just allow gender-bender for each class, problem solved.
>>343763712
Just high standards. It's only OCD if you feel unwell without doing it, and I don't think you could diagnose autism with it.
>>343763712
Well, then continue doing so, you glorious bastard.
>>343760339
I can be the Medic that builds the uber, I can be the Demo that takes the uber and blows up the sentries, I can be the Soldier or Heavy that protects the combo until they get where they need to be.
I can't be all of those guys at the same time and I can't trust other people to play those classes either.
Because now the Medic is shooting arrows at people, the Demoman is jerking off with a sword and accomplishing nothing, the Soldier is parachuting around with a gimmick melee weapon and the Heavy is in the basement throwing sandwiches at people and shouting "I'm a friendly!"
>>343732292
comp isn't even out yet you fucking retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RvOXR9Pd0I
>>343735805
Does anyone else read the Administrator's lines in Angelica Huston's voice?
>>343764829
That's why I think alt-class loadouts should be restricted to sets across the team. An entire team can play using stocks, or they can use medievally stuff, or they can use [insert other gimmick here]. Then you balance each loadout to fit the fixed synergy it creates.
Half Life 3 will never exist because TF2 taught Valve that they don't need to make games or even their own art assets in order to make money.
Karma's a bitch.
O P T I M I Z A T I O N
also just pick ESEA or ETF2L ruleset for matchmaking already
or at least set classlimit 2 to cure the cancer
>>343764831
comp has been out since 2009
the community has been literally doing everything for comp
Valve's matchmaking is cancer even compared to low-level competitive sites like tf2center
>>343764829
>Because now the Medic is shooting arrows at people
Crusader's Crossbow is by far Medic's best primary weapon:
>one of the few weapons in the game that can kill a Sniper, or other light class, from the other side of the map in 2 hits
>has a higher healing rate than the stock Medigun
>allows you to heal at very long ranges outside medigun range
>Reloads passively so you can pop off a shot then keep healing
>fast projectile speed
>can potentially build full Ubercharge in 27 seconds (normal building takes 40 seconds minimum)
A Medic with great crossbow aim is a monster. xbow does everything better than the medigun apart from not being lock-on and not overhealing.
>>343736537
Yeah i wanted to fund a new set of touhou class models mods but i couldn't find any 2hu tf2 modeler alive, so we are stuck with those shitty old models, at least Eirin is 6/10
>>343765057
Loadouts shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Every single class update failed at it's goal. Trying to fix problems through new weapons instead of tweaking the classes and maps is retarded.
>>343765171
>O P T I M I Z A T I O N
wholeheartedly agree
>or at least set classlimit 2 to cure the cancer
please no
classlimits only exist because leagues don't have the power to balance the game, just to restrict parts of it. valve does have that power
leaving classlimits off will make the cancer strategies rise to the top, and then valve will nerf those strategies, thus making the game holistically better without having to restrict the players
classlimits in soloqueue comp are a recipe for disaster, i can hear people arguing over who gets to be the demo already
>>343765495
i love how fun the xbow is but i wish it wasnt so much better than EVERY other medic primary
would you rather buff the needle-based medic weapons or nerf xbow?
>>343765263
comp
is not
out yet
>>343765802
The crossbow is what the medic's gun should have been in the first place.
>>343765741
>please no
but having stuff like more than 1 heavy is complete cancer in a gamemode where 2 players are 33% percent of a team
>2 buffed heavies = 900 HP combined
it just slows the game down
and having more than 2 scouts or spies would make the other team almost impossible to stop backcaps
having more than 1 demo means you can lock down both the choke and the flank and also slow down the game just like 2 heavies
>>343765495
>Not calling it Rxbow
>>343765802
>would you rather buff the needle-based medic weapons or nerf xbow?
both honestly anon
i think xbow is a fun, skillful weapon, but i also think it's stronger than a medic primary should be considering he's already one of the best classes in the game even with stock
we'd have to turn the syringe gun into basically a Minigun to make it compete with crossbow, so nerfing crossbow a bit to make its powerlevel more attainable makes sense to me
i drew a shitty graph to illustrate roughly how much i would like to see them buffed/nerfed
>>343766196
and then i forgot my shitty graph
here it is
>>343766196
i dont remember the exact name of the update, but the one were they made crossbow charge uber... that was excessive
on that same update they did the pyro "+20 health for extinguishing teammates"
no words
>>343739885
wew. so it's still nothing is what you're saying.
>>343731821
This.
Just let it rest, multiplayer games don't naturally have 9+ year lifespans. Tf2 was a fantastic game in its heyday and pretty much everyone that's played back then got tired after putting in thousands of hours and left. Tf2 had a hard life, just go on with yours and let it rest.
>>343728791
make it a cartoon series and keep the humor the same.
>>343766095
>but having stuff like more than 1 heavy is complete cancer in a gamemode where 2 players are 33% percent of a team
>having more than 1 demo means you can lock down both the choke and the flank and also slow down the game just like 2 heavies
Well 2 things
1, like i just said, if the strategy that becomes meta in competitive is slow and boring, valve can nerf it
2, stuff like vaccinator can already help somewhat in countering classstack strats. Vacc is bad against combined damage which all 6s teams run, but against all the same kind of damage it's actually pretty good since the buff. You also have Sandman to stun heavies and Short Circuit to delete stickytraps
but the point i'd prefer to emphasise is 1: If duplicate classes make the game unfun, we can simply show valve, they have the power to rebalance it.
>>343766652
every year i quit TF2 for a few months but i just keep coming back to it
if it wasn't for 6v6, i would have stopped playing 5 years ago
