So we all agree these 2 need the biggest nerf right?
how about just half their health so they can only take 1 or 2 hits, then they'd be balanced
>>343708567
Tracer already dies in one or two hits, Genji can only take one more
>>343708826
just finished playing a game
>me
Roadhog
I shotguned a Tracer twice at close range and she blew through me like paper, and her kill screen showed her at just half health after the two shots, no she doesnt die in two hits
>>343708567
What the fuck could you possibly do to Genji
Unless Genji is being played by Raiden every other class will just shit on him.
>>343708567
No they dont. Maybe you shouldnt main 1 character
I made this shit, what else can I add to it?
Those two are fine, its our resident edge lord that needs a nerf.
>>343709051
Half his health, so he can no longer solo entire teams because of his speed and damage, so one hit can take him down. making Genji less likely to just charge in and wipe out everyone, make him a character that can kill really easily, but its also a high risk for him too, thats how you balanced a character. so he becomes a one on one character rather than taking out multiple opponents solo.
>He doesn't remember Tracer having half the CD on her blinks and having 225 fucking hp, a 1/3 of it being shield
Don't know how you can gut her even more other than getting gud.
>>343709768
make her and Genji's health 100HP with no shield
no other changes
>>343709768
She has that much fucking health?
Holy shit shes hard enough to kill with weaponds that dont lock on automatically
>>343709048
>roadhog
>not one-hitting tracer
It sounds like your aim was just shit, mate
Roadhog one-hits half the cast after a hook
ITT: OP being a faggot who's the worst Roadhog ever complaining that the two easiest enemies for Roadhog to deal with can't be slaughtered by literally everyone else with a single stray bullet
>>343710197
>having
Its 150 now. She just heals like a little shit when she rewinds.
>>343710679
>be slaughtered by literally everyone else with a single stray bullet
false
>>343710953
You want them to be 100 HP a piece. That means literally everyone can kill them with a cough. It makes them completely useless and the only reason you want such a nerf is because you're an absolutely fucking garbage Roadhog.
How about instead of bitching about muh HP you actually fucking get good with Roadhog, not even good, just fucking competent. If you can't hook and kill a fucking Tracer then just give up with Roadhog
>>343709179
>Symettra
>austistic wall of text
>DVa
>not in Korean
>Tracer
>not in Irish
>Lucio
>not in Brazilian
Blizzard is retarded sometimes
>>343711862
>That means literally everyone can kill them with a cough
with them dealing the damage they deal, and their speed, it would balance them out.
>>343712006
I like this bait
>>343709986
>100 hp no shield
nigga you want them to be literally squishier than zenyatta? maybe you should try just not getting assrammed by genji and tracer. you clearly suck at aiming if the two fast characters are the only ones giving you problems. ive literally never even had a little trouble with genji or tracer.
>>343708567
Tracer gets shit on by McCree
Genji is only a threat during his ult, he just needs a total rework tbqh. anytime you hear his japanese line you know to focus him with CC and just kill him ASAP, it's pretty rare for a Genji to not be garbage.
Phara on the other hand has become the new home for McCree shitters ever since he got nerfed, she's ridiculous right now. literally impossible to escape from her and few characters can actually deal with her.
>>343712457
currently, they can take out a team on their own, if they have low health, they are balanced out. if they are fast enough they wont be hit, but if they screw up, they lose. balanced.
>>343712907
>currently, they can take out a team on their own
You play with some awful people. Or maybe you're just a console player.
>>343713106
yeah that must be it, not that the game still has some balancing issues, nope its perfect. oh wait lets talk about how broken mercy is again right? she is soo broken with her ult.
Genji could probably do with 150 hp, especially since he has more mobility than Tracer.
Really I find his E to be more of a problem. Being able to nullify a good number of ults as an offense class is silly.
If anyone needs a nerf, it's Widow and Hanzo so useless faggots stop picking them.
Tracer shouldn't be able to heal by warping
>>343713437
no, you are just bad at the game genji is perfect
widow and hanzo? nah you should just be better. thats the answer
>>343713462
no tracer is fine, you are just bad at the game
>>343708567
Tracer does as much damage as a dog's fart, and dies to a stiff breeze. How the hell would you nerf her?
Genji could be nerfed though. His reflect damage could be slightly toned down.
>>343708567
Tracer should only have 2 blinks, same CD for each.
There fixed. 3 blinks and a rewind is just too much.
>>343712163
They are balanced, you just suck
>>343713619
its not so much her damage, its the speed at witch she deals it. she can dart back and forth dealing while also healing herself. making her health low would be a fair change to her, with what she can already do.
>>343709179
Still bothers me that the quote you hear while using it is based on whatever they think is cooler
Both are easy to counter if you're not bad. Your team should be changing to fit the other team if you're not pulling enough DPS and/or winning.
I know that doesn't happen, because pugs are retarded, but you get the point. I still argue that Mei should get a health nerf, but other than that the balance isn't that bad right now.
>>343713971
>most characters can one-two hit her
>want to make her weaker
jesus christ anon maybe overwatch isn't for you
>>343708567
on the other hand, you could justgit gud
who gives a shit about nerfs. the only characters who need nerfs won't get them because they only balanced nerf would take to much work.
lets talk about buffs. Zarya needs like a 50-75 health buff and her skills need a shorter cooldown. I also feel like her laser should just stop after a few feet but the other buffs would be fine.
>>343708567
holy shit, the game is pretty goddamn balanced as it is
once mccree and widow was nerfed, I knew thered be more calls for bans
this shitty moba attitude is what's killing online gaming and made it super casualized
What I want to know is how a Genji was shitting on you so bad that you want to change him from "mosquito" to "gnat".
>>343708567
>nerfing tracer
What? Why?
Don't know how many people here were watching due to SGDQ, but there's a tournament going on right now where teams were playing on Route 66 and it devolved into almost nothing but Tracer and Mercy/Lucio.
>>343714565
What the fuck?
>>343714565
>zarya needs a buff
>makes absolute mincemeat of teams that don't know not to shoot the barrier
In higher mmr she's op
Don't get me started on double Zarya teams
>>343714530
dva go home you're drunk
>>343714848
well yeah, cause they are the most balanced characters, its not because they are the best, just that they are super well balanced
>>343709386
In what fucking scenario is Genji going to solo an entire team?
>>343714848
there needs to be character limits in competitive
most of the cast breaks the game in half if you've got more than one
>>343715237
I see it happen all the time with his ult.
>>343715237
Low MMR and console and OPs team.
>>343715467
not if they are balanced correctly
>>343715628
Never will be, ever. Mechanically its impossible to do. There will always be an emergent strategy that focuses on spamming whoever is slightly more effective at the moment.
Absolute real talk, no scrubs allowed
>Nerf Mercy's ult charge rate
>Buff Zen's orbs, making them last for 6 seconds out of sight
>Have options to select game modes through quick play
>Favor the current lobby you're in more, instead of switching out to a whole new one almost every game after a stomp/some people leave. Have teams scrambled instead and have it announced
Competitive needs too much to list, so fuck that.
>>343715674
>>120 damage per slice
most of the cast are 200HP
>>has to go through unsheathing and sheathing animation
not that much time at all, especially if he is jumping contently
>>has to be literally in your face
false, his reach is pretty long for a sword
>>with 200 HP
while moving very fast around slower characters
I would like if Junkrat's greandes traveled a bit faster and did less damage.
Demoman was always fun because of his direct pipes. Junkrat doesn't have it unless he's firing at a tank.
>>343708567
These 2 characters are countered by LITERALLY the easiest and most brainless character in the game, Winston. The fact that nobody picks him in pubs is the only reason why these 2 are decent. Winston won't always kill them, but it makes them unable to contribute for shit if they have to pull back every engage.
Fuckit, just go no aim no brain winston main 2x and watch the tears. The best Genji and Tracer in the world would lose to trashcan double winston.
>>343714987
the thing is if you are playing against a competent team she isn't as good. she isn't really a main Tank either, her abilities are more defensive and she isn't tanky and dies in most fights.
unlike Reinhardt, Road Hog and Winston who have massive health pools and Rein and Winston have helpful and disruptive shields to block enemy fire, Zarya just has a small personal shield she can use on herself and 1 person that lasts 1 second or 50 damage.
tl:dr she doesn't have enough sustain and her abilities aren't as helpful to the team as a whole.
>>343715929
Newfags don't know how to use meme arrows
>>343716189
She's top tier in pro and high end competitive, and probably the biggest argument for not allowing duplicate heroes.
>>343716189
>the thing is if you are playing against a competent team she isn't as good
At least one on every pro team currently
>Most of the cast is 200 HP
yes, it was built to efficiently kill lower health characters that's the point you turd, Tracer's bomb insta kills anything below 300, McCree's locks on faster to lower health characters, Soldier's special is basically aimbot and can melt through every squishy around and be nowhere near them.
Stop fucking complaining about something that is literally so high risk, it can be stopped by a multitude of abilities.
Mei's ice slows him down for an easy kill, McCree's flash bang. Reinhardt swings and Winston gun can kill him before he can cut them down fast enough. Roadhog can hook and the rest of the team can focus
You literally are just a scrub that can't catch Genji, right? Pick Winston whenever you're having trouble instead of sticking to whatever it was you're doing.
>>343715929
>not that much time at all
If you use the reflect before the ultimate ends, the animation will cancel it and count the cooldown, also QS isn't available during both animations.
>with 200 HP
>While moving very fast
Anyone with aim will shut him down, being in the middle of the enemy team with 200 HP is not a good experience.
TLDR; cry more, git gud. He's perfectly fine.
>>343708567
That's because McCree was the only counter to them.
Now you're fucked and a rank 70+ tracer/genji can just shit all over your healers nontop :)
>>343715486
This.
>>343716470
>>343716485
as the only tank or secondary tank?
>>343716189
>can apply shield to Rein while he still has his shield up
>still get damage buff
>Shield takes 200 damage, not 50
>lasts 2 seconds, not one
>thinking her abilities don't have enough utility
her ultimate is literally for the team.
>>343716953
Alternating Zarya shields on a focus target is retarded strong. Pro scene every map boils down to whoever's Mercy dies first loses, so being one of the only characters that can protect her is pretty big.
>>343710679
t. never played against a rank 70 genji
Genji is fun desu
>>343716128
>mfw watching genjis futilely try to escape the hot monkey dick
>especially when they hit reflect
>>343708567
Don't know about nerfs but these 2 are the biggest red flags for me. I feel uneasy every time I see one on my team
>>343713995
I'm pretty sure it's the enemy quote when you use it.
>>343709048
then you suck at aiming
this game is just math, the hits have set amounts
2 close shots will kill a tracer, one good headshot will kill her
hook her once and you don't have an excuse if you don't kill her
The only thing that needs nerfing is Overwatch's autistic fanbase
>>343712006
>>not in Brazilian
>>343717441
>cuts off before he eats a face full of rip tire
But that was the best part.
Tracer doesn't need nerfs, she needs overall rebalancing.
Genji is fine though.
>>343712907
wanna know how you're a shit player that only plays with other shit players?
because you said this, this statement right here
>>343713462
She doesn't heal by warping. She heals by rewinding. It basically makes it so the last 3 seconds never happened, including buffs, nerfs, health, and position. It also has a very long cooldown so if you were keeping track of shere she's been, you can predict where she'll reappear and shut her down then she she just lost her most powerful escape tool. If she still gets away by blinking, then just let her go and be aware that she's still around and keep an eye out for when she returns. The game isn't about kills. Killing her is great but getting her off your back is all you really need to accomplish.
>>343709179
just add that all the red quotes are heard from your perspective if you're the one using ult
>>343718912
>The game isn't about kills
I wish my teammates realised this
There needs to be a voice command for "stop chasing genji and get on the point you useless fucks"
>>343711862
>Tracer
>ever getting hooked
What kinda shit tier tracers are you playing against
>>343716189
>and 1 person that lasts 1 second or 50 damage.
How can you get the numbers this wrong
>>343709179
Widow's is barely audible, if that.
>>343719714
They fixed it
It's map wide now
Revert McCree nerfs, that's how you nerf those 2
McCree wasn't even OP, you are a shit Road/Rein if you let a McCree shred you
>>343720080
>implying mccree can't own them as it is now.
>>343720080
McCree can still melt both genji and tracer though
he was never meant to be the anti-tank hero
>>343719068
Not always. Mercy and Zarya say their friendly lines
>>343720339
The thing is he can't melt a good tracer/genji though
>>343708567
How the fuck are you supposed to fight a tracer as Reinhardt?
>>343720080
I hate the McCree nerfs too, but you can't say that he was fair when every competitive team ran 2 and sometimes 3 McCrees.
I feel it would have been smarter to make it so his roll didn't reload instead but you work with what you're given.
>>343720804
Keep shield up and let your team kill her.
>>343720804
Stop trying to dps as a tank. If she gets in melee range hit her twice and she dies. If she's not just keep shielding yoru team and let them handle it.
>>343712006
>Tracer
>not in Irish
>I don't like this thing. NERF IT!
go back to league of losers please
repeatedly nerfing everything doesn't so anything but make the game boring
>>343720804
if shes taken any damage, hit her with a firestrike and shes dead. if shes at full, hit her once then firestrike directly after.
Quickest and biggest changes that need to be changed.
Quick Play is completely fine. Literally doesn't need to be changed.
Comp play needs a higher level requirement, 40-50 at the least.
There has to be a requirement of character diversity of some fucking sort, at least with 3 characters on your quick play roster. I'm actually running into people in chat in comp games where the first thing they say is "Can someone else play Tank, I only know how to play Roadhog and Symmetra". Then proceed to wiff hooks night and day until they fucking die of old age. Or worse play Symm absolutely aggressive, die every single time a fight start and put their lasers somewhere they don't need to be.
Also, there has to be a character limit at the least, or at least limit the comp map pool to something more specific. KOTH maps and Payload maps are fine, but capture point maps with OT based on remaining round time seems really fucky, and it's even worse when you're playing payload and a coinflip decides who wins the OT. Considering offense has a higher advantage over defense on most payload maps.
Second off, if anything has to be changed, they need to add more customization options, instead of a flat rate for sensitivity there has to be decimals at the least. Add mouse acceleration and add support for more varieties or modifications in terms of Crosshair. If you're going to add support for custom color options per friendly/enemy then at least add more colors or definition to crosshairs and other UI aspects of the game.
Rev up them competitive mode stories.
>Game 1
>close match, they score 2 points and we score 2 points, then we each get one. Murder them the last game with well timed ultimates, placements and revives/heals
>Game 2
>Mop the floor with them. Not even funny.
>Game 3
>Get set against a team with an A++ defense on Anubis. Desperately needed someone to flank them through the doorway on the left, like tracer to use her Ult or something to break up their formation. Only offense is a soldier who keeps running to his death and others that won't stand behind the Reinhardt shield.
>get called shit by a group member that was also shit.
Game 3:
>Amazing game on Volskaya. Got multiple 4 person revives. Even though our team lost both parties agreed the games were wonderful.
>get a 4 person revive on the point as overtime fades away
>we still lose
>>343721978
>Game 3:
meant Game 4, obviously.
>>343721559
>Quick Play is completely fine. Literally doesn't need to be changed.
I guess you enjoy joining matches that have 30 seconds left to push the payload or capture a control point?
>>343722187
There is literally no way to fix that. They can make it literally impossible for people to quit so they can just afk instead or you can make teams 5 v 6 for 30 seconds when that could make the difference via overtime.
Quit being a whiny brat about being put in those games. No one gives a shit about your win/loss
>>343709048
You died to Tracer as Roadhog? It took you more than 2 shots to kill her?
I think you just suck dick at the game dude.
>>343716189
Her shield is 2 seconds, 200 damage dude
>>343721219
if that will even hit her
>>343713971
She already has the lowest health in the game, are you retarded? Half the roster can one shot her with a headshot.
