>"I troll you" dungeon level desing
>edgy as fuck
>Literally featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
>Last boss being so disgusted that he refuses to fight you and the credits start to roll
Who else got meme'd by this game? Also, Strange Journey blows this out of the water in every aspect except the combat system.
>>343707164
summer really is here
>play on hard mode because im not a faggot
>get killed by the first enemies 5 times in a row because critical hits = free turns
>delete ISO
gay as shit
>>343707164
>Literally featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
did you think that was fake?
>>343707323
git gud summerfaggot
>>343707164
>>343707323
>I'm a no taste shitbird
I'm sorry to hear that, but it isn't really our problem now, is it?
>>343707164
>Complains about the level design in Nocturne while praising Strange Journey's.
>He got the Demon ending.
>>343707164
>Strange Journey blows this out of the water
>>343707323
>>play on hard mode because im not a faggot
>get rekt like a faggot anyway
?
>>343707519
OP here, Nocturne is great despite the faults I listed, I enjoyed the ride but I still think SJ is the superior SMT experience.
>>343707880
You forgot:
>ragequit like a faggot
>>343707880
RNG fucking you is not getting rekt, retard
Great review on the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzEDbFtOpxU
>>343708012
luck is a skill, fucking noob
>>343708012
>He thinks the tutorial is RNG
>>343708012
If you're good at the game you don't let the enemy go first.
>>343707164
>Last boss being so disgusted that he refuses to fight you
But I proved my strength to Lucifer and he became my greatest ally. That's the true ending.
>>343708134
on hard mode, the first couple of fights ARE absolute rng
this is not debatable
this is a fact
it sucks, but once you get past the first few fights you should be in control of everything
>>343707323
>not expecting hard mode to be litearlly impossible
where are you even from m8
>>343707323
>hard mode literally says "suitable for those seeking the thrill of death"
>expects not to die a lot
?
>>343708427
He's so used to easy games that a hard one really baffles him.
Same kind of thing that means every time I order "spicy" food it isn't fucking spicy.
>>343707323
>play on hard mode
>Assumes it's the western definition of "hard"
When the Japs say it's hard, you bet your ass it's hard!
>>343707164
>>343707323
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>>343707164
>Strange Journey OST
>good
>play on hard
>everything cost 3x more
Feel the Bern.
>>343708905
>>343707261
No, you should say "nice bait". Learn the seasonal memes before regurgitating them.
If only you grew up with wizardry.
>>343709078
The battle theme is pretty much unrivaled in SMT games.
>>343709156
Nah, man. It's summer time.
And it's that time.
>>343709078
Not him but I liked the OST. The hymns of old men run chills down my spine.
>>343709260
Oh definitely. Everything else though is pretty meh, although I blame that on the DS's capabilities.
>>343709260
Except for SMT2
>>343709260
Yeah, unrivaled at putting me to sleep
>runs and looks beautifully in pcsx2 in 1080p
>but the atlus brand motion blur slices my retinas apart
is there any hacks for this? It's a shame how it ruins all their ps2 era games
>>343710026
go ahead, post your favorite battle theme
>>343710581
Run it in 150% turbo, it makes it nonexistent.
That fucking bullshit made me so sick to my stomach and that was the only solution that worked.
>>343709239
Sounds like just bad game design.
>>343707164
>tfw put this game on backlog for a week
>came back to it and had no idea where to fucking go so i dropped it
shit, it was fun too
>>343711654
Wizardry IV was designed for people who kept saying that Wiz I-III were too easy. It's actually really good game design from that perspective.
>>343711454
>tfw can't actually find Devil Summoner's normal battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgYEUmCOkaA
>walking around, minding my own business
>get ambushed
>enemy immediately uses hama on MC
>die
>good thing I just saved
>reload
>it happens again
>turn game off
I'm fine with a challenge but when the game just fucks you over like that it isn't fun.
>>343712406
That's why you want to tailor your Magatama choice to the area and only swap them when you're about to level, if you even want to bother with that because Nocturne isn't hard enough to justify it.
DDS' Expel reducing a percentage of your HP is a far better mechanic than having a palette swapped instant death, though.
Demi Fiend died like a bitch
Hey guys it's my turn now
fucking faggot casuals
i got tde on first run
fuck the puzzles though
that shit took days
I played it last winter and those are pretty much my thoughts exactly. It's not even challenging, just deliberately frustrating. A shame because the battle system is actually great.
>>343710581
Set skipdraw to 1
top tier visual direction and minimalistic storytelling but virtually all areas are tedious to go through
I did like the random encounter visual cue they added in Raidou games where the indicator turns red when you're about to get an encounter, somehow it alleviates the irritation.
ideally you'd have something like the random encounter adjustment option in bravely default games so if you need to backtrack or go back and forth through an area you just switch the encounters off
>>343712734
Yeah, I liked that Light and Dark were actually different in DDS. Gave a reason to have both of them.
>>343715267
Just get a demon with the skill that repels enemies. You can buy one in the first level of Amala IIRC. Also Nocturne does have that indicator.
>>343709396
>hymns of old men
which track is that?
>>343708738
Except in the case of Resident Evil 3 (and other games probably).
>>343708738
Its funny because alot of american versions like NG2 and Contra HC were 3x harder on the american versions
SMT thread? I just started II basically, heading to the factory now. The first game got kinda boring in the middle, here's hoping SMT II is a bit more interesting. The pre-apocalypse part and last third of SMT I were good though. Looking forward to SMT III since everyone rides its dick so hard.
>>343712734
>DDS' Expel reducing a percentage of your HP is a far better mechanic than having a palette swapped instant death, though.
Fucking this, I'm still puzzled why they haven't brought this back. It gave light/dark skills utility up until the last dungeons and when you used against your party it didn't one shot you.
>>343714784
Are you emulating it? You can abuse the save states to save scum. It can help quality of life, as long as you're not too good for that.
Digital devil saga ,strange journey and even lV are better in every way possible
But critical hits equaling free turns is genuinely bullshit. Its one of the greatest flaws of the combat system of SMT and Persona
>>343717675
The existence of smirking in IV disapproves that.
>>343715728
>that Shady Broker Pisaca.
That nigga never left my party holy shit was it beyond useful especially in the early game.
>>343718046
I always liked it with weaknesses. Critical hits is a bit iffy but I wouldn't call it bullshit outside of smirking in IV.
>>343718046
It's what makes physical builds possible and is manageable through buffs and debuffs
Playing through this (going for Freedom and TDE on Normal), just finished Yoyogi Park.
>>343716632
SMT1 definitely felt best paced before the apocalypse, up through Kongokai. I'll give SMT2 iOS a shot once I know moon better, as I hear it's just got crazier things happening.
>>343718310
Yeah, should have gotten Shady Broker Pisaca much earlier than I did.
>>343717675
But that's wrong.
>>343717675
>better in every way possible
>IV
I don't think so, Tim.
What should my skill build be for SMTIV
I was thinking 3 Dex/1 Agi/1 Luck
>>343720491
5 Luck
>>343720491
Magic build.
>>343720491
World of STR
>want to play a smt game because smtfags keep saying it's better than persona
>don't because main character looks like a total fag
>figure smtfags only like the series because of how edgy it is
how right am I?
>>343712245
>tfw PSP Debisama is still not translated
>>343722136
Stupidest post in this thread, congratulations.
>>343722136
Stick to your dating sims kid
>>343722136
quality post
>>343722596
>>343722872
>>343723018
Why didn't you ignore him? Now he's gonna post this every thread.
>>343722136
>>343722596
>>343722872
You're literally proving him right you dolts.
>>343707164
This faggot never had a famicom
>>343723248
Everything happens for a reason.
>>343723337
>criticizing somebody for judging a game without ever playing it is proving him right
Interesting.
>>343722136
> complains about smt faggot designs.
> doesn't complain about personas faggot designs
>>343707164
>Strange Journey blows this out of the water in every aspect except the combat system.
>implying SJ's boring dungeons, shitty music, bosses, and atmosphere are better than Nocturne's
>>343723702
Dont try to pretend that Nocturne dungeons arent the lamest shit
>mfw you realise SMTfags are the most unstable, trigger-worthy fanbase on /v/
>>343723871
>mfw
>no picture for a face
You got me, I'm triggered.
>>343723871
that would be Dark Souls
>>343723868
Still better than SJ's shit. Only a hipster would disagree.
>>343724289
>only a hipster would disagree
do you not know what series this is?
>>343722136
You know the fanbase has gone to utter shit when hitoshura is unironically labeled edgy.
"Edgy" is a buzzword at this point. People are scared to enjoy anything that could be remotely thought of as such.
>>343724406
Hipsters exist even in niche fanbases. Strange Journalists are proof of that.
>>343723490
I've played a lot of shitty games just to say that I gave them a chance, but how am I supposed to enjoy a game when the main character looks like a complete fucking faggot?
>>343724745
>how am I supposed to enjoy a game when the main character looks like a complete fucking faggot?
Try not being so insecure?
This is probably the worst SMT thread I've ever seen on this board.
>>343724745
Looking like a faggot is something you get used to if you played a JRPG before.
>>343707640
>dont get the demon ending
>miss out on Dante from the Devil May Cry series
why would you do that?
>miss the best boss theme
>>343722136
While I think that Kaneko using Red Hot Chili Peppers as a base for demi-fiend's design is idiotic, it's better than whatever Toi8 did for #FE, half of them are legitimately fucking bad.
>>343724979
honestly I almost didn't play ff10 just because I thought tidus looked like med ryan, and vaan looking like a fruit was half of the reason I never played ff12.
>>343725102
the girl characters are cute and the guy characters are inoffensive enough that I can't remember what any of them look like
>>343725102
I love his #FE designs. Maybe it's because his art style and coloring choices are so nice that I don't really notice the actual design.
>>343725098
I think he meant the Normal Demon ending, in which you just leave the Vortex World as is until the next Conception occurs.
But yeah, TDE is the only way to go. Hell of a journey on your way to become the ultimate weapon against God.
So, am I right in assuming Tokyo Mirage Sessions is just DDS with aidorus?
>>343725102
toi8 is a fantastic artist. It's just that the tone and setting TMS aimed for was inherently bad, and this carried over into the character designs
>>343725102
Toi8's females for #FE may be bad, but the males are near perfect.
>>343717275
They brought that back for Final
Digital Devil Sage 1 is the best game in the whole series including all the spin-offs and would be literally perfect if it had a hard mode
prove me wrong
you can't
>>343726484
DDS2 is better.They're both basically the same game, one is just more streamlined
>>343711828
It was designed to do a thing and then did precisely that. So I can see what you would mean.
>>343726484
>>343726665
I honestly find it hard to top Nocturne, but why is DDS 1/2 good? I've yet to play them.
>Beat Nocturne
>Beat Dark Souls
is there another hard meme game I should play to hang out with the cool kids on /v/
>>343724978
then lurk more, kid. psh
>>343726484
Let's be honest, DDS1 and 2 are just two halves of one game
>>343726665
>>343726484
>no demon fusion
>cant talk to demons
literally persona
>>343726890
What the fuck.
Any of you ever played SMT1?
I got what I assume was about halfway through before I accidentally wiped my save
It was alot more fun than it looks desu. If only i had the mettle to start from the begging, it's EXTREMELY tedious
>>343726484
>inb4 Raidou 2 was better
Sure, the combat was slightly improved but the story was way less interesting.
>>343726786
Only memelords spout how epic and hardcore they are for beating those games.
But play Ninja Gaiden NES and Ghosts & Goblins. Those are pretty good.
>>343726971
my playthroughs usual get stopped when I get to the first Major town and have to look all over the place to find the plot areas.
>>343727036
Thank you for reminding me to play Raidou 1.
I will now proceed to forget and never touch it again
>>343726890
I think they took the hunger thing too seriously.
>>343727229
Oh you.
>>343727079
>Ghosts & Goblins
>you beat the game!
>just kidding, start over
Oh that fucking game.
>>343726786
>>343726835
>>343726665
I don't know, I didn't really enjoy 2 as much. I think I just didn't find the story as interesting.
>>343726775
Its really good and a nice mix of what mkes SMT good and what makes Persona good
>>343726775
Very customizable party, you're able to switch skills as you see fit and the game has this in mind so it is not a broken ability, weaken enemies and devour them to level up your equivalent of Magatamas, god-tier OST, pretty good setting and character development, and more©.
If you liked Nocturne then there's no reason to don't play DDS 1 and 2.
>>343726775
They play similarly to Nocturne. They're easier, but on the other hand they have a story that doesn't have everyone acting like retards nonstop to the point where it's hard to even care.
>>343726775
If you like Nocturne it's hard to imagine that you wouldn't like DDS. The guts are basically the same.
>>343727378
No, fuck YOU player.
Go through everything again if you want to get the true ending and an engrish text box telling you to replay the game one more time.
>>343726890
>when the stomachache mechanic stops working
>>343727635
I have been reading through an LP of this and it seems like a pretty fun little game
>>343726484
DDS would be a hell of a lot better if there was any hint of what the next upcoming boss's elements are going to be.
As it is, if you're playing blind and don't have Void ____, you're going to lose a battle of attrition. Every goddamn time.
You didn't bother to get Void Charm? Allure, game over. You didn't know that THIS TIME Bat's going to use ___ and ___ in turns? Party wipe.
You didn't know that the last set of Nues can cast Mudoon together? Instant loss.
And so on.
>>343726971
I stopped when I hit Arachne in the dream world, she continually one shots my party members. It's pretty sad really, I can't bring myself to grind some levels to beat her.
>>343709239
Sounds like fun.
>>343726665
TOO MANY AILMENTS! EVERY ENEMY CHARMS OR INDUCES PANIC! DDS 1 is better!
THE SUN IS OUT!!!!!
>>343718134
What's wrong with Smirking?
>>343730160
Well, this is true of any Megaten game.
>>343726152
The Session mechanic is one of the best mechanics in the history of rpgs.
Fight me.
>>343727872
>a story that doesn't have everyone acting like retards nonstop to the point where it's hard to even care.
m-m-muh minimalism
m-m-muh deep themes
>>343731881
It's not as bad anywhere else. DDS heavily, heavily relies on those Void spells.
>>343732090
Describe it?
>>343717675
>Strange Journey
>better
>the retards in this thread that don't realize we all meme magicked SJ into being the greatest game in the franchise over 3 years ago
Nocturnals get out
>>343732343
Other SMT games rely heavily on party composition, often requiring you to refuse a party for a decently challenging boss.
>>343725098
>best boss theme
>>343731608
>>343732343
Each character has a set of skills called Session skills. These are skills of a certain attribute that instantly trigger any time another characters lands an attack an enemy is weak against.
For example, Itsuki uses Zionga on an enemy weak to electricity. If enemy of the other party members on the field have a Session Skill that reacts to electricity, they attack.
So, Itsuki uses Zionga on an enemy, and Tsubasa (who has the Session Skill "Elec-Wind") follows through automatically behind him with a wind attack (like Zan).
You can combo it even further if another party member has "Wind-Flame", for example, as their Session Skill, which would follow Tsubasa's wind attack with a fire attack.
In one move you attacked 3 times. And later in the game, party members who are not active (that is, not on the field, but available to be swapped in) can come in and make the combo longer. It's possible to dish out over 5 consecutive attacks, all because you hit one guy's weakness.
And if you kill said guy mid combo? It continues onto the next guy. To say it's satisfying as fuck is an understatement.
>>343732090
>Near the end of the game, session attacks get so long that you're just staring at the screen for 30 seconds each time
Nah, it sucks.
>>343710026
HOLY SHIT nice banter.
>>343714219
I just beat this faggot, and he wasn't nearly as hard as I was anticipating.
He used Makakakarn (sp?) like every single goddamn move on every turn.
He only ever hit me the big Almighty move maybe three times.
Was super easy, as was Mithra right afterward.
>>343735310
He's not hard, the problem is that he can RNG you to death completely at random by giving himself enough turns to Makakaja 4 times then wipe your entire party out with Megidolaon spam even through a Dekunda. Fuck that shit.
>>343735310
He was easy for me too. We just got lucky.
For a lot of people he can give himself three extra turns in a row and then keep doing it forever without you moving.
I just buffed and stomped him tho.
>teleport mazes
I don't usually follow guides, but teleport mazes aren't an usual situation.
>>343735549
>>343735557
I guess I was just super lucky.
I used Hell Biker to keep debuffing him
Efreet to heal me up
and MC to Focus > Iron Claw whenever I could
The first time he did manage to fuck me up, but all he did the second time was waste his turns, so that's pretty awesome, I guess.
>>343707164
strange journey sucks.
>>343735757
Definitely the worst part of Nocturne. Every single fucking one of them was annoying as hell.
>>343735757
is that doosex?
>>343735310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjVvnO5lgM
He's hard because this can happen to you.
>>343713368
>DLC
>Canon
>>343717675
Good taste.
>>343736385
>SJ
>good taste
Nope
>>343736296
Yikes.
I guess I am lucky.
>>343726971
I played it not too long ago. You're right, it is extremely tedious. Though I played the PSX version which is apparently less annoying than the SFC version.
>>343733172
Sounds like 7th Dragon III's skills.
>>343707947
Why did you make such a shitpost thread then, you fucking retard
>>343707164
>Also, Strange Journey blows this out of the water in every aspect except the combat system
No, just no
>>343707261
>someone is criticizing a weeb game literally meant for manchildren and autists
>hurrrr must be summer
dude
