>I got to thinking, maybe I'm the dragonborn and I just don't know it yet
>>343692025
They're a lot of things you dont know, like why your wife's Thuum smells like fresh nut.
NEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE
>>343694283
You're right, Todd. I never should have bought Skyrim. I'll get a steam refund while I still can. Thanks.
>>343692025
what did he mean by that?
>>343694451
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY YOU FUCKING CUNT
YOU BETTER FUCKING TAKE IT BACK
![61993-1-1422183653[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ojOgmWs.jpg "61993-1-1422183653[1].jpg")
>Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't
They say Ulfric Stormcloak murdered the high king with his vOIce! Shouted him apart!
![article-2018220-0D23C7B800000578-967_468x492[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/c6EvHre.jpg "article-2018220-0D23C7B800000578-967_468x492[1].jpg")
I saw a mudcrab the other day
>>343697074
nasty creatures
i used to
>>343697595
be an adventurer
>>343697745
omfg
did you just
>Ulfric Stormcloak, some folks in helgen call you a hero. But a hero doesn't murder his king an usurp his throne. You started this war! Plunged Skyrim into chaos! Now the Empire is going to put you down, and restore the peace!
>>343697465
take care
Have you heard of the high elves?
>>343698089
>there were people who actually sided with the stormcloaks
>>343698641
unironically siding with the people who wanted to execute you for no fucking reason
>>343698641
it's a video game making bad choices is fun
>>343698837
>fun
NICE BUZZWORD
>>343698826
>paid this little attention to the story
Ulfric's rebellion was a Thalmor plot. They were working to keep it going to keep Skyrim and the Empire fractured now that Titus Mede II had the forces to retaliate against the Aldmeri Dominion.
Against all odds, General Tullius captures Ulfric Stormcloak along with a bunch of Stormcloaks and (unfortunately) you. Normally he'd be taken back to Solitude, stand trial, and be executed. But who did you notice "HAPPENED" to show up at Helgen and made a b-line for Tullius?
The Thalmor. The Thalmor who specifically have the right to claim prisoner any worshiper of Talos, including Ulfric. The Thalmor who were likely doing exactly that, and while transporting Ulfric would "somehow" lose him and the rebellion that they needed so desperately would continue.
Tullius was backed into a corner and had to execute all the Stormcloaks then and there.
>>343698826
fuck
forgot my meme arrow
>
>>343698641
Tbh, both side are dumb to begin with.
Stormcloaks: Racism would run free and the Aldmeri Dominion would be fucking pissedm and more than likely start another war.
Imperials: Heavily censor anything that the AD dislikes, out of fear of invasion, despite the fact that they could just unite all their allies in order to stop them. Generally not thinking things through enough and pretty much are a bunch of pansies.
>>343699353
whats wrong with Racism?
>>343699353
>not understanding even the basics of the conflict
Shhhh.
>>343692025
True story:
My first time playing, one of the normal guards got the final killing blow on that first dragon, so he got to do the animation where he climbs on top etc.
Then he goes and says that line on the way back to town.
>>343695367
I'll have you know there's no PUSSEEEE
>>343699245
i actually didn't think about that
i still don't think the empire stands a chance to start a proper war against the thalmor.
>>343699353
No, only the Stormcloaks are stupid.
25 years before the start of the game, the Aldmeri Dominion sneak attacked the Empire. The Empire who had been peaceful for so long was unprepared and the Dominion ended up sacking most of Cyrodiil into the Imperial City before they were stopped.
The Emperor Titus Mede II eventually drove all the elves out of Cyrodiil and crushed their armies, but the war left the Empire severely undermanned and in a bad way. So, to avoid total destruction, they agreed TEMPORARILY to the White Gold Concordat, outlawing Talos worship. That said, no one followed through with it, and Skyrim worshiped it like it never happened.
25 years pass. The Empire has been building its forces rapidly during this time, and is now powerful enough to retaliate against the Dominion. The Altmer simply can't reproduce fast enough and are pretty much fucked.
Insert Plan: Ulfric's Uprising. The Thalmor release Ulfric from captivity and nudge him toward starting a rebellion in Skyrim. Although the Nords had been freely worshiping Talos, Ulfric's rebellion casts a light on it and forces Talos worship to go underground. With the Empire and Skyrim fractured, Emperor Titus Mede II is temporarily halted from attacking the Dominion, buying the Thalmor time to maneuver.
So, no, the Empire is doing the intelligent thing. They're trying to quickly put down this rebellion so they can deal with the Thalmor, after which time public worship of Talos is legal. If against all odds the Stormcloaks win, then a divided Empire and divided Skyrim will inevitably fall to the Dominion, making Talos worship end forever.
>>343700479
It's in the game. Once you put down Ulfric, Tullius lets you know that the war is ready to start in earnest against the Aldmeri Dominion.
It's funny, the only thing making Talos worship illegal was Ulfric. Right after he dies, Tullius all but declares war, ending the White Gold Concordat.
Is Argonian the best race to play in Morrowind and Skyrim?
In Morrowind, you're of the race those dirty dark elves enslaved, and now you're their fucking savior, that's a huge scaly dick to wave in their face.
And here's Skyrim, again those dirty knife eared fucks are up to their tricks, so your scaly dick being a fire breathing dragon dick fucks them good and hard, and pretty much anyone who isn't a Nord is a nice fuck you to the Nords that their savior is a cold blooded fuck that is closer related to dragons than anyone else.
Oblivion doesn't really have a good "fuck you" race, does it?
>>343700479
It makes sense because the Thalmor are trying to exploit every possible resource in Skyrim, from the College to dwarven relics. They're very clearly trying to stockpile powerful/influential stuff, much like how Hitler did towards the end of WW2.
>>343702139
I guess if your sole purpose is masking insecurities in video games, then sure.
>>343702139
Breton is the best race, always. Both conceptually and mechanically.
>>343701591
>Tullius lets you know that the war is ready to start in earnest against the Aldmeri Dominion.
He sells slaves to the Thalmor on the side and rents out his personal holdings to them as torture chambers, he's playing you.
>>343698641
I sided with the Empire because I figured it would make it easier for Skyrim to accept a lesbian Redguard vampire as queen when I take over.
How is almost every line of Skyrim incredibly memorable but I can't recall a single line of dialogue from Witcher 3?
>>343702569
No he doesn't.
>>343702798
Because Witcher 3 has far more varied dialogue so you don't hear the same lines repeated endlessly.
>>343702798
Because the Witcher 3 is shit.
>>343703139
PAM PARAAAM
I see /v/ is still tsundere for Skyrim. I could always see through your bullshit.
>>343698348
*sniff*
>>343701025
The thalmor don't want a stormcloak victory though, they just want them to shit on the empire for a while,
If Ulfric wins, then the AD have another huge country that wants to actively fuck them up. And these elves who couldn't even handle their own burning climate against the Redguards don't stand a chance against born to fight warrior zealots who believe that dying greatly will get them to the heaven they want plus their freezing climate.
It's literally storybook. A blonde man in his prime leading a fight against a dying empire so he can take him and his ambitions against a faction that threatens all of mankind
>>343702798
stupid is more memorable than boring
>>343703114
t. T(halmor)ulius
>Tfw still no lusty argonian maid.
>>343703335
The Thalmor don't want the Stormcloak to win purely because as long as the war continues, both sides bleed. Ultimately though, the Stormcloaks winning is far preferable to the Imperials winning.
Imperials win: Unified Skyrim and Empire vs Dominion
Stormcloaks win: Fractured Skyrim and Empire against one another and the Dominion
War continues: Skyrim vs Empire while Dominion builds up
Ultimately neither the Empire nor Skyrim are strong enough individually to repel the Dominion. And given that the Empire was founded by Nords, all true Nords support the Empire.
>>343703335
It takes only one good redguard to take out all of skyrim
>>343703376
Alright, show a single time that he ever did what you claim. Just once.
Go on, I'll wait.
>>343698641
>tfw the choice is actually multi layered and difficult
still going with the empire is the sensible thing to do
gotta saddle up for WW3
>>343703772
Burden of proof is on you, elfcuck.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being thalmor
>>343703854
...no, it's not you stupid faggot. You can't show proof of a negative. You claim he did and have no evidence. I claim he didn't and since there's no evidence, I'm right.
Now fuck off Stormcuck. You could've at least pretended you were talking about Northwatch and Thorald. Then you'd just be ignorant instead of an obvious liar.
>>343704072
thalmor are shit stealth archers
>>343703854
> Burden of proof is on you, elfcuck.
>>343703664
>Imperials win: Unified Skyrim and Empire on their knees for superior Aldmeri dick
>Stormcloaks win: Unified Skyrim and Empire with DB as the true emps going ballistic against the Dominion
ftfy
>>343704286
...what? Why would the Empire and Skyrim unify after the Stormcloaks win? Ulfric is literally fighting to separate Skyrim from the Empire.
Fuck's sakes, it's like you retards didn't even play the game.
>>343704286
>Could barely win a war against a FRACTION of Imperial forces
>Expects to defeat the Dominion
K E K
E
K
So who's more powerful, the Aedra or Daedra?
From what I understand, the Aedra are the Daedra that stated on Nirn and became part of whatever keeps the planet together while the Daedra are the ones who said "no, fuck this gay earth" and went off into space/oblivion
Also, is there a path to immortality other than vampirism?
>>343703664
the redguards beat the shit out of the that or by themselves, all the elves got is their majick, but the humans are in general more in numbers and better warriors. The nords and Redguards can just forget their own alliance and fuck up the thalmor. Once the empire stops acting like a bunch of pussies they can fight for their homeland back while the nords and the red guards just sail to the summerset isles and shit on the thalmor
Next time I'm going to play a female Argonian mage, because fuck the Stormcloaks.
Just as soon as I forget what all the quests are like.
>>343704449
...you are...
...supremely..... ... ... ...retarded..............
...
neither of them canon won because it's a player choice and it can't be in the future of elder scrolls games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN80_7rNmcE
>>343692025
>tfw it justdosntwork
>>343704173
>Thalmor in Skyrim are the best at magic, and have the fastest move speed in the game.
>>343704449
They are fighting for sovereignty, if they aren't full retard, as soon as Ulfric takes charge, they would at the very least ally with the Empire without having to answer to them.
>>343704702
>muh redguards
Let me tell you about the Redguards, friend. When the Dominion snuck attack the Empire, the Emperor called in all the lands for aide. The Nords, true bros that they are, sent troops. The Bretons sent troops. Even the Orcs sent people. The Redguard? Sneaky niggers that they were, the Redguard sent a handful of people and kept their armies back in reserve.
Cyrodiil and the White Tower burned as a result.
Eventually when Titus Mede II took back the Imperial City and destroyed all the invading forces, all that was left was a small token group of Elves in southern Hammerfell.
The niggery Redguards who had not participated in the war and had their whole force available (plus some Imperial Troops that were there helping on the sly) only had to get rid of the handful of ravaged troops that the Emperor hadn't killed. They had homefield advantage here and were fighting on their own lands.
Those handful of elves fought the entire Redguard army to a stalemate for over five years before slowly being pushed out.
Then the Redguards swaggered around and nigwalked, acting like they accomplished something there and weren't the most complete failure of all the human races.
>>343704660
Well the Daedra can fuck around with things on Nirn so I'd say them.
>>343705025
>Ulfric is starting a nation based on xenophobia and closed borders
>this is while fracturing a millennia-long organization that's currently under severe threat from an outside force
>SURELY his first act will be to ally with the people he fought against, r-right?
>>343704846
Frankly, the whole Alderi Dominion thing could be solved by sending the Dragonborn to fuck up their army. It's not like can't be virtually impervious to any and all magic damage
(What is it? 85% off for elemental resistance, 85% off for magic resistance. so a 1000 damage fireball would deal something like 22.5 damage
>>343704449
They wouldn't have to unite, the Thalmor would still have to fight a war on two fronts, regardless seeing as they both know how big a threat the Dominion is they could easily decide to settle their own differences afterwards.
>>343705279
>>343705202
The replies are people pointing out the irony of this statement, right?
>>343705338
No they wouldn't. The Thalmor would just return to attacking the Empire, they're not connected to Skyrim in any way. Once the Empire's conquered they can go after Skyrim at their leisure.
>>343705202
>Emperor is a warlord that strong-armed his way to power
Gee, I wonder who else is doing that
>>343705131
That 5 year war was after the empire signed their surrender/peace agreement, plus hammerfell has been in a civil war before and during the war against the Thalmor
>>343705279
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Thalmor are still the obvious big threat, any grievances between Skyrim and the Empire could easily be handled after they are dealt with.
What are the best slutwear mods for Skyrim?
>>343705618
Exactly. The war ended when Titus destroyed the entire invading army and signed the Concordat. For five years after that, the Redguard army, the ONLY army that hadn't fought because they're traitorous cowards struggled to get rid of the broken forces that survived in southern Hammerfell. There weren't reinforcements because Titus killed them all.
Five years of fighting with homefield advantage against a foreign force that was broken and reinforcementless.
Pathetic.
>>343705654
Then they should have stopped fighting BEFORE finishing an entire war and weakening the shit out of each other
>>343705508
You're acting like there is nobody to defend cyrodill atm, its been a 25 years since the great war. The people of cyrodill most likely are on high alert onnthe assholes who are chilling in their country compared to the pampered fucks they were beforethe war started. These battle hardened angry white bois can hold their own while Skyrim and Hammerfell attack from two fronts, or launch an attack on their home island
>>343705654
Except the only thing stopping the Empire from destroying the Dominion NOW is Ulfric. Ulfric is literally saving the Dominion with his rebellion.
>>343705974
Tell that to the Stormcloaks get them to stop bothering the Empire with this bullshit civil war crying about, "true Nords" or "sons of Skyrim" and start working on those knife ear fucks.
>>343698641
I did on my first playthough but when I learned ulfric was a thalmor sleeper cell and the entire conflict was fanned by the thalmor to weaken the remenants of the empire altogether for a future invasion I regretted it. Although a free skyrim with the fully powered dragonborn protecting it will rek any high elven cuntbags.
I feel like siding with the empire is correct in the lager picture even if you worship talos. The empire were basically forced to sue for peace and accept terms of white gold concordat and tullius isn't really a bad guy
>>343706053
Oh, I'm aware. That was a point I made earlier.
In the 25 years since the war, the Empire has been building forces like crazy. It's why the Thalmor had Ulfric start his rebellion. The Empire is strong enough (with Skyrim support) right now to crush the Dominion.
But with Ulfric doing the Thalmor's bidding, neither Skyrim nor the Empire is individually strong enough. So, if Ulfric does succeed, the Dominion would still have a tough fight taking the Empire. They've been ramped up pretty well for the impending war. But that's an entirely different story from what we'd be hearing if Ulfric wasn't helping the Thalmor and the unified Empire and Skyrim stomped the Dominion.
>empire retakes the IC, completely crushing the Aldmeri forces
>instead of taking advantage of the momentum and invading Summerset, they bend over backwards and sign the concordat
Only a fucking doormat would side with the empire, tbqh.
>>343702139
Argonians are the least related race to dragons since they are made from trees.
>>343705974
Can't argue with you there, it's just what Ulfric wants; and independent Skyrim, but not necessarily total war hostility towards the Empire.>>343706061
You realize most of the war in skyrim was fought by local forces with loyalties to either side with only a token reinforcement from Cyrodiil right?
>>343705876
Titus only pushed them out of Cyrodiil he signed the Concordat because he knew he couldn't win at that time, it was a good comeback but not a victory, a comeback in which Hammerfell participated. After that the empire opted out of war and Hammerfell was left standing against every single bit of Thalmor power left and they still managed to not get conquered.even while being in ruins of their own civil war. You're full of shit buddy.
>>343706273
Are you 12 or something?
>>343699353
The Empire is doing nothing but biding its time, keeping up the necessary appearance of cooperation with the Aldmeri Dominion until it has the necessary strength to strike back. So yes, it allows Aldmeri inquisitors to access Imperial provinces to root out Talos worshipers because the only alternative is resuming a war it can't yet win. Titus Mede is playing a long game, suffering no small amount of humiliation in the present to put himself in a better place to attack in the future. Tullius knows this and is in on the plan, and shortsighted idiots like Ulfric are only making it harder to reach that glorious day when elves are put in their place.
And the only reason they signed the Concordat instead of resisting like Hammerfell did is because Cyrodiil was vastly more devastated and couldn't sustain a war effort. The Redguards would to well to set aside their pride and remember that.
>>343699353
the empire got utterly BTFO in the last conflict.
but with a fully realised dragonborn fighting for them the second war would go very differently
Toddposting makes me want to play skyrim again, is this a mistake lads.
>it's a character voiced by that guy with the raspy voice episode
>>343706376
They had no momentum. After crushing the Aldmeri forces they had no forces left themselves. Pushing into Summerset would've been disastrous and left them entirely exposed and too weakened to fight off even the fucking Khajiit.
The Concordat was just a maneuvering ploy to buy time so they could pay the Dominion back. 25 years later, the Empire's back to full strength and ready to fuck some Elves up. It's just Ulfric saving the Dominion at the moment.
>>343706430
You realize that the Nords are the backbone of the Imperial Legion, right? Those "local forces" ARE the Imperial army. Hell, most of the named Stormcloaks have dialogue about how they're officers in the Imperial forces.
>>343706527
nah
why would you say this
>>343706652
>>343706349
Tbh doesnt it take elves like a century to reproduce? They and the cats are literally just inferior to the numbers of humanity and it would probably just take the empire its basic numbers to push them out of cyrodil atleast
>>343706652
25 years later, the Empire's still the Thalmor's little bitch, snapping at it's masters every command*
>>343706914
They have Cyrodiil, the problem is how to get the entire empire back
>>343706638
Mod the shit out of it, you'll either enjoy playing it again or lose interest in the spiral of X requires Y, Y needs to be patched with Z, Z needs Program C to combine files T and E, and Bash patch with mod P, and it has to be loaded before H and V, but not after mod B."
>>343706376
You do realize that wars in the olden days used to last decades, right? Hell one lasted for centuries.
>>343706652
If they're ready to fuck shit up why don't they just say fuck the cocordat and get Skyrim onside?
>>343706476
>only pushed them out
>you're full of shit
No, you're wrong. Learn the lore faggot.
From: "The Great War"
>Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government. An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions.
>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City in 4E 174 was bloodily vindicated. Lord Naarifin was kept alive for thirty-three days, hanging from the White-Gold tower. It is not recorded where his body was buried, if it was buried at all.
I guess your definition of "completely destroyed" must differ from mine, huh?
>>343706860
Because of your our posting style and inability to read.
>>343703335
Nah asshole, actually whats storybook is the Nord dragonborn hero that was born to fuck up dragons and brought up in the game to literally hate tf out of the thalmor
>>343707008
oh fuck i just remembered how big of a pain in the dick modding is
thanks for convincing me anon
>>343698348
BYE
>>343703290
It's a disappointing mess, but it's still memorable.
>>343706638
Contrary to what /v/ will tell you, Skyrim is a fine game. Not as good as TES III, but it's a good game on it's own, and with enough substance to be worthy in the TES universe.
Roll a different character, try a different mod, align with a different allegiance, etc.
The only limit on your creativity is yourself.
>>343706784
It's mentioned a few times in-game that the majority of Imperial forces are on the Aldmeri border
You think these Skyrim threads are preliminary marketing? The world is that kind of place.
>>343703139
IT'S RAININ IT'S POURIN EMPEROR EMHYR IS SNORIN'
>>343703664
Why do I feel like they're gonna pull another Dragon Break on us with both sides winning and losing at the same time but defeating the AD altogether?
>>343707185
BYE THE NINE DIVINES! IT'S THE GRAY FOX! STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SC-
Greetings. Obey the law citizen
>>343707112
Do you honestly think that's all the forces Thalmor had? That they sent every single soldier to the front? And do you honestly think the Empire had any worthwhile force after that fiasco? Pal, you don't sign a peace agreement in which you lose a province and a fucking Diety if you stand any chance of winning the war.
>>343707150
been awake a couple of days
not sure why you are being rude
>>343706784
Yeah but your previous post makes it sound like there's literally who left in Cyrodiil
>>343707107
Because Ulfric started his rebellion when they were just about to. It's why the Thalmor released him when they did. It's why the whole thing was timed when it was.
Hell, after you kill Ulfric, the Concordat is over anyhow. Remember the Grey-Mane brother jailed for worshiping Talos? Tullius will pardon him when Ulfric's gone.
But Ulfric isn't fighting to get Talos back. Remember, all the people in Skyrim said that Talos worship, though illegal, was allowed publicly UNTIL Ulfric's rebellion. No, Ulfric is fighting so he can be High King. The Empire allowing Talos worship won't stop the rebellion. Nothing short of killing Ulfric will.
>>343706652
Then why is it enforcing thalmor wishes agsint skyrim?
If its able to fight, just say no, become the heros if the the nord people and be able to push out.
The reality is the empire are fools who don't know they can face the altmer, who are scared of even a lone skyrim comming for them
>>343707441
It's only because I hate you, anon.
>>343707391
Yes, because that's literally what the lore says.
>In the end, the heroic Redguards fought the Aldmeri Dominion to a standstill, although the war lasted for five more years and left southern Hammerfell devastated.
> But the Redguards should not forget the great sacrifice of Imperial blood - Breton, Nord, and Cyrodilic - at the Battle of the Red Ring that weakened the Dominion enough to allow the eventually Second Treaty of Stros M'kai in 4E 180 and the withdrawal of Aldmeri forces from Hammerfell.
>>343707649
k thanks, you arent the first
I just wanted to discuss skyrim
>>343707391
>>343707708
If thats the case, then the dominin should still be weakened, since it takes a century for them to reproduce
>>343707498
>Because Ulfric started his rebellion when they were just about to.
there is literally nothing to suggest this is the case.
> It's why the Thalmor released him when they did.
Decades ago?
You are wrong about the timeline.
>was allowed publicly UNTIL Ulfric's rebellion.
Ulfric was put in prison for a set time because he allowed free worship of talos. So you are wrong.
>>343698348
*yawn*
>>343707592
Because they can't fight the Dominion AND Skyrim simultaneously. Ulfric is making them do it. If they suddenly announce that Talos worship is legal, we've established Ulfric won't quit his war. He wants to be High King of an independent Skyrim after all. And now, because the Empire broke the Concordat and legalized Talos worship, the Dominion can declare war. The Empire would be fighting against two fronts and be fucked.
No, they have to enforce it while the civil war is going on. Again, the only thing making Talos worship illegal is Ulfric.
>>343698641
>complete both story lines on alts
>Ulfric doesnt crown himself king after victory
>Tullius doesn't become reagent lord till the next king is crowned for the empire
>nothing happens nothing you did really mattered except the color of some guards clothes and some dialog.
>>343707498
>Tullius will pardon him when Ulfric's gone.
that doesnt happen
>>343707708
>what the lore says.
it's what a imperial historian wants people to think. Like, he outright says he wants people to think that, its not necessarily the case anymore than monstrum in witcher
>>343707708
They lasted for 5 more fucking years. The great war took 4 years, that's double mate and they only managed to defend Hammerfell, not take out the Thalmor on their home turf.
>>343707592
>Then why is it enforcing thalmor wishes agsint skyrim?
Because the Empire knows full well it has no chance of winning a war against the Thalmor without the help of Skyrim's armies, and they're well aware that Ulfric is fighting just as much for his own glory as for freedom. There is not only no guarantee, but no good reason for the Empire to believe that Ulfric would drop his war and swear allegiance to Titus Mede if Cyrodiil decided to rip up the Concordat. They needed unity before declaring open war, and Ulfric screwed it up for them.
>>343707958
>Because they can't fight the Dominion AND Skyrim simultaneously.
then it shouldn't be enforcing the wills of the thalmor against skyrim. its why there is a problem.
This is the problem, not a solution to it.
>Ulfric is making them do it.
No? Thalmor are the ones demanding it, who have the general at beck and call.
>we've established Ulfric won't quit his war.
No.
>, because the Empire broke the Concordat
They didn't. Nowhere does this happen.
>>343697074
That's a potato
>it's a comfy Skyrim lore thread
>>343707860
>literally nothing to suggest this is the case
Thalmor dossier on Ulfric suggests its the case. They even point out that they tried to intervene at Helgen to stop his execution.
>Ulfric was put in prison for a set time because he allowed free worship of talos. So you are wrong.
He was a prisoner in the First War before Talos worship was illegal. He was just a shitty soldier that got captured (again).
>>343707958
>why are the empire enforcing thalmor wishes
>they aren't, but they are because ulfric is forcing them to.
Did you think this through?
>>343702798WHAT NOW YOU PIECE OF FILTHALALAALALAL
>>343707972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8&ab_channel=RWappin
>>343708124
>They needed unity before declaring open war,
and they would have had it had they not done everything the thalmor wanted them to, knowing full well it would mean strife in skyrim.
The empire isn't united even with skyrim anyway. So thats an absurd dream
>it's a 'stormcloak supporters are complete retards' thread
>>343702798
I can't cry... don't know how.
>>343707354
you stop that, stop right now and get inside 'for I
>>343702798
funny how I feel the exact opposite way despite having almost twice as many hours in skyrim
Wouldn't Season Unending be the best end? Since it """""halts""""" the war and delaying some Thalmor plansuntil the Dragonborn unites both sides of Skyrim
>>343708276
>Thalmor dossier on Ulfric suggests its the case
It suggests him fighting is something they want, its why they had the empire punish the nords so much, so somebody would rise up agsint it.
>They even point out that they tried to intervene at Helgen to stop his execution.
And failed. They didn't release him.
>He was a prisoner in the First War before Talos worship was illegal
The great war, which was many many years ago.
>>343708184
>then it shouldn't be enforcing the wills of the thalmor against skyrim. its why there is a problem.
They weren't, retard. For the umpteenth time, no one was enforcing that law until Ulfric showed up and started making everyone. You hear this five minutes into the game.
>They didn't. Nowhere does this happen.
In your stupid fucking hypothetical, you fucking mong. IF they broke the Concordat to appease Ulfric, it wouldn't matter. Ulfric's war is for him to be King, not to get Talos worship back. The Talos ban wasn't even being enforced, so everyone knows it was a contrived reason. And IF they broke the Concordat, it's a declaration of war with the Dominion.
>>343707385
Because you had to fuck up an evil avatar of Akatosh the god of time, and you had to use an Elder scroll to do it, chances are though I doubt Bethesda would actually go through with it.
>>343702798
because the witcher had many more voice actors. You get used to hearing someones voice over time thus its more easy to recall. Bethesda doesn't really give a shit about voice acting.
>>343694283
have*
>>343708397
You blind idiot, they had to continue to outwardly toe the Thalmor line while getting prepared for war otherwise they'd have found themselves in one before they were ready.
How fucking hard is it to understand this?
>it's an "imperialfags prove yet again that they still haven't grasped the basics of reading" episode
>>343708538
>no one was enforcing that law
and yet it is pointed out that ulfric made talos worship in markath allowed and was arrested for it.
meaning it wasn't beforehand.
or his actions and his arrest are impossible.
>And IF they broke the Concordat, it's a declaration of war with the Dominion.
But it is your suggestion they can do this anyway and the only reason they don't is they need skyrim.
>>343708660
>they had to continue to outwardly toe the Thalmor line while getting prepared for war
then why are you suggesting they will stop outwardly towing the line the moment they win and were not untill it started?
Like, that doesnt work. The disdain for the empire in skyrim isn't recent.
can someone summarise both arguments
I will deliver the final decision
>>343708278
Maybe if you learn to read, you'd be able to follow better. And try not to misquote.
1. Empire agrees to banning Talos worship.
2. They never follow through on it. This is mentioned numerous times throughout Skyrim.
3. Ulfric wants to be High King.
4. Ulfric tells people banning Talos is horseshit and they shouldn't stand for it.
5. Most people don't care because public worship happens all the time and Imperials don't do shit.
6. Ulfric starts his rebellion, approximately at the same time as the Empire prepares to make war on the Dominion.
7. The Empire has to stop Ulfric's war to unify Skyrim and get their soldiers ready to fight the Dominion. All eyes on Skyrim now. Now the Empire can't turn a blind eye to Talos worship and enforces the no-worship edict.
8. Ulfric: SEE? SEE?
9. Empire caught in a catch 22. Can't unban Talos worship without going to war with the Dominion, can't go to war with the Dominion while Ulfric has a civil war going, Ulfric won't stop his civil war for anything short of being High King of an independent Skyrim which leaves the Empire too divided to fight the Dominion.
All caught up?
>>343702798
I remember too many lines of Witcher 2
>plough em all plough em all
>What does he carry two swords? In case he loses one?
>kan gurls bee witchahs toooooo?
>lesbomancy
>>343708759
There's a difference between legal and enforced. Ulfric wanted it legalized there, whether it was being enforced or not. And it's not something the Jarl could do. The Jarl had no authority to overturn the Empire's ruling. At best, he could just not enforce it, which is what he and every other Hold in Skyrim was already doing and no one but Ulfric cared.
>But it is your suggestion they can do this anyway and the only reason they don't is they need skyrim.
Exactly. You finally caught up. The Empire needs Skyrim to fight the Dominion. Very good.
>>343708951
Ulfric is a dick working for the Thalmor
Skyrim can't stand against the AD alone because Nords suck balls
But the Imperials did try to behead you at the start of the game and Ulfric did kill the high king... why, which apparently makes him high king now. you then don't simply kill Ulfric and take his shit is beyond me though
>>343704870
>>343698550
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzGsud6ERzY
>>343708951
>Stormcloaks
Ulfric is short sighted/selfish, claims a bunch of nationalist and religious reasons for being high king but is a Thalmor puppet and fucking everyone over except for the Thalmor
>Imperials
Biding their time, almost ready to kill the elf nazi's finally and then Ulfric fucks it all up. Painted in a horrible light in game until you start digging up some stuff about Ulfric and realize how much of a fuck he is.
Not trying to be biased but the right decision is so fucking clear it isn't even funny
>>343708936
Read this >>343708985 and then apologize for being so unbelievably dense.
>>343709273
He's not really working for them. More like they're planting the seeds so Ulfric can screw some cr*p up.
>>343695367
>cloud district
>village has like 10 houses total
where the fuck WAS the cloud district?
>>343709273
>which apparently makes him high king now. you then don't simply kill Ulfric and take his shit is beyond me though
>which apparently makes him high king now. Why you then don't simply kill Ulfric and take his shit is beyond me though
Misplaced a word while editing
>>343702798
pam paaraam
pam pam paaraam
>>343709305
This, choosing between factions in fallout 4 was more difficult.
>>343709410
Plot twist: there is none. He just has dementia.
>>343709410
It was code for getting high on skooma
>>343708645
Have should of come here!
Never have of come here!
Never should of have here!
Never should of come have!
>Arrow to the knee?
>well at least you took arrows! Where I come from they used to throw beach umbrellas!
>>343709282
kek but that comfy music doe
>>343709305
This is what separates people who click through dialogue and people who pay attention to the lore.
If you just click hurriedly through everything, you side with the Stormcloaks. All you really know is that those jerk Imperials were going to kill you for no reason, and they say the Empire is weak n' shit.
If you actually play through the quests, read the lore books and find out all the facts and information, you find out that the Stormcloaks are just controlled opposition by the Thalmor and the only thing stopping the Empire from crushing the Dominion. You even find out that you almost being executed wasn't even the Empire's fault, but was actually the fault of the Thalmor trying to save the Stormcloaks at Helgen!
>>343708737
Please explain, genuinely curious.
>>343707185
Hello!
>>343699245
>still siding with the people who were going to execute you "just because"
did you forget about the beginning of the game?
they put you on the chopping block and openly admitted that you had done no crime, but had ended up in the cart for some reason.
What if I told youTalos is actually a Breton and everything you know about him is lie?
>>343697465
Have you heard any news from the other provinces?
>>343709965
FUCK OFF, ARCTUS
>>343709887
Did you not read the thread? The game explains why they did that later.
Ulfric was going to be taken back to Solitude to stand trial and be executed. The Thalmor showed up at Helgen to stop it. Tullius was forced to execute everyone then and there.
It's ironic.
>Ralof: "Look at him, General Tullius, the Military Governor. And it looks like the Thalmor are with him. Damn elves. I bet they had something to do with this."
He's totally unaware that the Thalmor are there trying to save Ulfric to prologue the rebellion. Your "accidental" execution was Ulfric and the Thalmor's fault, not the Imperials.
Hell, when you go to Solitude, the Imperials are apologetic about it too. Go to Windhelm and even as a Nord, Ulfric treats you like a bitch.
>>343709887
>but had ended up in the cart for some reason.
Another plot by Ulfric
>>343710208You know it to be true, if it wasn't for him Lorkhan would still exist. Talos himself is a Jew to rival the High Elves themselves.
>>343698641
stormcloaks are literally brexit
>>343702798
>I can't recall a single line of dialogue from Witcher 3?
Are you retarded? Memory works by repetition, faggot. The more you hear a line, the easy it is to memorize it.
>>343709887
>Still being so mad at the Empire for the actions of one officer that you need no other reason to fight them
>Even though you happened to cross the border and happened to stroll into an ambush at the same time as Stormcloaks and was captured
Also, >>343710232
>>343708985
point 2. Isn't that why the thalmor have embassies and agents in skyrim and the rest of the empire to make sure this rule is enforced?
I believe they are actually granted jurisdiction to punish those who do worship talos
oh I see you cover this on point 7
your argument is sound from where I am standing
issue settled
>>343708951
is me
>>343709273
I believe ulfric agreed to work for them while under duress in their custody but since turned on them completely, whether he realises it or not his rebellion is totally in thalmor interests though to weaken the empire as a whole
Memerim thread without comfy screenshots?
>>343702798
Medalions tingling, place of power, gotta be, i should draw
>>343710232
>forced to execute a vagabond b/c elves showed up
atrocious apologetics
>>343710238
?
>>343710496
I didn't say siding with the stormcloak's was a better alternative.
the best choice story wise is to never complete the story. Skyrim was a shit game with a shit story that's not worth completing
Gray-Mane or Battle-Born?
>>343709410
by the tree
>>343698641
Neutral master race
>>343711292
I choose the furfags that act like they're the fighter's guild. :^)
>>343711292
Battle-Born.
Those Gray-Mane milk drinkers are Stormcloaks, therefore they are Thalmor supporters and traitors to Skyrim.
>>343711475
Can't think of any Stormcloaks attending high-brow Thalmor parties, having Thalmor serve as advisors in their courts or allowing the gestapo to snatch up locals in their lands, tbqh.
Imperials, though...
>>343712013
Actually, the Stormcloaks do let locals get snatched up in their land. There's a questline in Windhelm where bandits are allowed to rape and pillage through all the local lands as long as they target non-Nords.
>>343711292
>>343712383
>he picked Grey-Mane
How does it feel to dishonor Talos by both supporting the man that's made his public worship illegal and fighting for the fracturing of the Empire he founded?
>>343711237
Ohh, I understand
Here you go buddy
>>343703816
The choice isn't multilayered or difficult. Both options are so unappealing that there's honestly no reason to even attempt to work for either faction. The Stormcloaks are stupid racists that will just get crushed by the Dominion even if they "win" and the Empire is just pathetic, fucking over and angering Skyrim's population to please the AD in an attempt to prevent the land from getting destroyed. There really should have been a "Unite the people to get the Thalmor out of Skyrim" path, but then everyone would just choose that.
>>343712765
I guess if you ignore all the lore or are too stupid to understand any of it, it must look that way. Sorry that you missed out.
>>343712241
Don't see any citations there, m8.
Think about it.
Would you rather side with these filthy peasants?
OR...
>>343712696
pic is you when it comes to story telling
>>343712682
You'd know all about it, m8.
You tell me.
>>343712943
These Imperial badasses?
>>343712918
Brunwulf Free-Winter in Windhelm. He'll describe the situation in depth to you, then independently will commission you to stop the bandits that Jarl Ulfric won't.
>yfw next game explains that black marsh is now attempting to conquer skyrim (and slowly succeeding)
>yfw every next tes game has black marsh slowly taking more of tamriel
>>343713086
>willfully being a cuck for the Thalmor
HAHAHAHAHAHAfaggot.
>>343713036
Tell you all about how you're dishonoring Talos? Already did, senpai.
>Ulfric forced Talos worship to go into hiding in Skyrim
>Talos founded the Empire which Ulfric is trying to break Skyrim from
>Grey-Mane support Ulfric
Ipso facto, they dishonor Talos.
>>343713341
Still no citations.
>>343713510
>coming from the faction with a sleeper agent for the Thalmor
>>343713510
>Stormcloaks are literally puppets of the Thalmor
>Imperials have built a huge army ready to kill the Dominion
I think you have your parties muddled.
never sided with battleborn since they think its cool to bully old ladies about her sons disappearance and presumed death
not cool
>>343713560
The fuck are you talking about? I told you the NPC and the quest. What more of a citation do you want?
>>343712961
Uhh
Ok
>>343713510
Are you implying the Thalmor wants to get fucked by Skyrim while the Empire watches?
>>343698641
MER COUNTRIES FOR THE MER, BEAST COUNTRIES FOR THE BEAST, MEN COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the Beast world pours into EVERY Men country and ONLY into Men countries.
Hammerfell and Cyrodiil are just as crowded as Valenwood or Summerset Isles, but nobody says Valenwood or Summerset Isles will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of Argonians and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY Men country and ONLY Men countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-Men.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of Khajiit were brought into EVERY Mer country and ONLY into Mer countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the MER problem?
And how long would it take any sane Mer man to notice this and what kind of psycho Mer man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the Nord race, Thalmor and respectable Imperials agree that I am a forswornwhowantstokillsixmillionaltmer.
>>343713761
A citation proving your claims, m8.
>>343713634
>>343713643
>still can't read
You'll get there one day, kiddos.
>>343713698
Too bad you didn't play the game. If you had, you'd have discovered that the Battle-Borns were trying to get Thorvald back and were in correspondence with General Tullius until the latter told them he had been given to the Thalmor and they should just drop it entirely.
Further, if you side with the Stormcloaks and they take Windhelm, the Battle-Borns are treated FAR worse than the Greymanes are under Imperial rule. Old Olfrid Battle-Born mentions that he gets beaten and robbed in the street by Stormcloaks.
>>343713538
The current "empire" doesn't have anything to do with the one Talos founded, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_x-x0gawck
>>343698089
A FUCKING LEAF
>>343702798
DAMN YOU'RE UGLY
>>343713967
>i need a citation
>>sure, here's the npc and quest
>derp that's not a citation!
>>what specifically do you want as a citation?
>herp a citation
It was my fault for engaging the fucking retard in the first place.
>>343714167
...it's literally the same Empire.
>>343714154
I did play the game. the arrogance of posting style on this board is quite tedious
>>343703139
ARSES WHIPPED LIKE A NOVIGRAD WHORE
Wind's howling
Hey-ah.
>>343714429
What?
>>343714310
>derp
>herp
You have mental issues, m8.
>>343714429
Then how did you have the opinion you had? The quest you referenced literally explains the opposite of what you were thinking. The Battle-Born WERE trying to help the captured Greymane. The Greymanes DO treat the Battle-Borns like shit if the Stormcloaks win.
>>343714425
You empirefags get dumber every post.
It's pretty disconcerting to watch.
>Retards not realizing that the longer the Empire allows the Thalmor free travel through their lands, the closer the Dominion get to their end goal
A Stormcloak victory means the removal of Thalmor presence from Skyrim, which means that they will not be able to find the "stone" located somewhere in Skyrim.
If you side with the Empire you are literally dooming humanity.
>>343714590
I dont know why you feel the need to be insulting just because I don't remember every single minor detail of the game
just childish imo
>>343713967
Not him, but
>Please spoonfeed me, I can't google a name! I can't accept it without spoonfeeding!
This is sad to watch
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Brunwulf_Free-Winter
His character is centered on that quest concept, and you can find the quest itself on that page too.
I R R E F U T A B L E
You're probably just baiting tho
>>343714154
I could never side with the Stormcloaks. I genuinely wanted to, because I like nationalism and pride for the members of their race, but at the same time I couldn't because Ulfric is a complete idiot, unable to deal with serial killers in his home city, unable to understand that he needed to remain defensive in his own country because he was under-funded and under-equipped, and couldn't thinking multiple moves ahead of the consequences of the war.
Even at the end of the civil war, if you sided with Ulfric and had Tullius explain that Thalmor wanted the Stormcloaks to win to fracture HUMANITY as a whole, Stone-Fist (or whatever Ulfric's right hand was named) just says, "You lost, so we're right. Fuck you."
>>343714594
No, just a very low tolerance for dealing with stupidity. If you're so fucking retarded you can't define what a "citation" is and still obnoxiously demand one over and over like the autist you are, I feel "herp" and "derp" adequately define your position.
>>343714728
Solid refutation. You claiming it's a separate Empire with no basis or evidence then attacking anyone who disagrees surely proved your point.
But why waste your debating talents here? Surely you could be off solving conflicts in the Middle East!
>>343710618
>that comfy Oblivion feeling
i'll one-up you bromeo
>>343714731
Except that the White Gold Concordat ends with Ulfric and the Thalmor are pushed all the way out to the Summerset Isles.
>>343702139
Orcs would be what you are thinking of.
>ugly-as-fuck savage is the Nerevarine? No fucking way...
>Uncivilized green-skinned swine saved us all from Mehrunes Dagon? No fucking way...
>A filthy pig-faced orc turns out to be a better nord than actual nords? No fucking way...
>>343714747
I'm not the guy the post in question was responding to, I just didn't understand what you had said and wanted clarification.
>>343695163
Oh I'll take it back alright. Back to the store, since I bought it on Xbox too! Hahaahah
>>343709767
Spoken like a true retard. The same report that outs Ulfric, also said that he had gone hostile and contact shouldn't be attempted. Sounds like you're the one who clicked through the dialogue/lore.
>>343714731
>Empire wants to build its forces and resources to continue resisting the Dominion
>Stormcloaks rebel
>Empire must use resources to fight them
>"We're helping by fighting the Empire!"
>>343709410
Cloud district is literally right next to the marketplace, up one set of stairs, and has like nothing in it except a few houses, a temple, and the companion's hall
>>343715274
Yes, Ulfric is hostile to the Thalmor. That doesn't mean he's not doing exactly what they want by continuing his rebellion. So, they keep a distance and only get close when they need to help him, like when he got captured at Helgen.
>>343715132
No the Concordat affords free travel to Thalmor Justiciars to stamp out Talos worship throughout the entire Empire. Not to mention the amount of spies, agents, and "diplomats" probably scattered throughout the Empire.
If a Stormcloak victory is what it takes for an Elf genocide, then so be it.
>>343715320
>Empire wants to build its forces and resources to continue resisting the Dominion
Any proof to this statement?
Because they seem pretty content with the state of affairs.
>>343715274
Ulfric went rogue because he thought he could handle the war by himself, when in reality the consequences of him going on an offensive war are devastating, since he literally chimps out, burns half of his country to the ground, kills off a bunch of Nord conscripts in the Imperial army so Skyrim as a whole is much weaker, declares independence from the Empire so he no longer has any resources, and expects the entire country, half of which hate him now for killing their husbands / sons to respect him as a leader after killing a child with magic in a "duel".
>>343715585
Except, AGAIN, the Concordat ends soon after the Stormcloak rebellion is put down. Tullius announces all the troops are going to be assembled to attack the Dominion next. And if you ask him for it, he'll even pardon Thorvald Grey-Mane at this point for Talos worship and order him freed from the Thalmor.
Because what the fuck are the Thalmor going to do now? A unified Skyrim and Empire don't have to follow through on the Concordat. The Dominion is fucked at this point.
>>343715274
He's written as uncooperative, but the entire war is benefiting the Dominion. He's helping them as long as he fights the Empire
>>343715430
I thought the Cloud District was just Dragonsreach?
>>343715617
Almost every officers answers when you ask about their thoughts on the Dominion? Tulius discussing how the empire can now focus it's efforts on the Dominion, after you win? Or his comment about most Imperial forces being on the Aldmeri border already?
Question, where are all the Imperials that say they're happy with the Thalmor control?
