>GTX 1080 and 1070 reference versions cost more than partner boards for literally no reason
>1080 experiences thermal throttling on stock cooler
>reference RX 480 overdraws from PCI-E slot potentially damaging motherboards, OC's poorly due to hitting a power draw ceiling, runs hot on stock cooler, and actually runs better on lower voltages due to better stability and lower temps
>all three of these GPUs have their prices artificially increased by scalpers
>Vega not showing up until next year
And now rumors are pointing at...
>GTX 1060 base model only has 3 fucking gigs of VRAM and can't do SLI at all
http://videocardz.com/61780/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-rumors-part-1
Now obviously you'd go for the 6GB version and ignore the 3GB, but the problem is that this now allows Nvidia to price the 6GB higher, because the 3GB version will be the one they use when they tell you the 1060 is priced "Starting at $240" or whatever. And then of course, with 1070s sitting at around $500 online, the 1060 will immediately shoot up to at LEAST $370 the day after launch.
God this sucks. On some real shit, fanboy nonsense aside, Pascal and Polaris look fucking great. 1080 with partner cooling is beastly, 1070 hitting 980ti performance for $380 once prices settle will be excellent, and I think the battle between partner board 8-pin open-air 480s and the 6GB 1060 after the 3GB hopefully gets phased out entirely will be awesome for everyone. Once we get to where things are supposed to be, this gen of GPUs will be glorious. But fuck this rough start, seriously. When everyone was told to wait before upgrading, this is what they were supposed to be waiting for. But now it turns out we have to wait longer if we don't want to get dicked in the ass.
Fuck.
You don't buy reference cards. You just don't. They're reference cards ffs.
I did that a grand total of once. Never again. The solitary fan on that thing was louder than all my speakers put together.
Curious how the aftermarket 480s will do in terms of overclocking
We got dicked over once the cards were announced and didn't come with HBM and HBM2. I agree, it sucks. The keep waiting mantra is endless. Same shit with Intel. Wait for Skylake... Not a big difference. Now we have to wait past Kaby Lake, which is only mostly a die shrink...
>>343691196
I had a blower style GTX 660 a couple of years ago. Never did hit 100% fan speed - locked by EVGA to 74%, which was terrific when it kept hitting 100°c and shutting off my computer - but even at 74% it was still obnoxious.
>>343691438
Overclocking benchmarks around 1300-1400mhz put it at 980GTX levels.That seems to be the average for for some of the AIB cards. Rumors have some OC'd cards at about $250 for the 8GB version.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2496-amd-rx-480-8gb-review-and-benchmark-vs-gtx-970-1070/page-6
Only reason to buy reference cards is if you are some impatient fuck who can't wait for partner cards to come out with proper cooling/fans.
I'm waiting to Vega to see what AMD has for the high end user.
>>343691438
Probably not much better than the 480, not too sure on what Partners are able to do with releasing their own cards aside from better fans and visual designs.
Is this a desperate damage control thread for AMD's latest blunder?
>>343690913
>Vega not showing up until next year
I thought it was scheduled for October? AMD can't really let Nvidia dominate the high end for longer than a few months. 1070 is not going to be $450 forever.
I hear a lot of people saying NVidia cards underperforms in DX12, but does it apply to the newer cards (1070 and 1080)?
>>343691512
Did somebody say MANTRA?
What does partner mean in this context
>>343692357
Tests have shown the main issue with the 480's OC capability is that it's hitting a power ceiling. Bumping up to an 8-pin should open things up quite a bit.
>>343693364
the EVGA, ASUS, SAPPHIRE, XFX, MSI, etc version of the cards. these companies take the reference card from nvidia or amd and then play around with them and overclock them and add beefy coolers.
>>343690913
I see no point upgrading from my 970 meme card. Never had a problem with the supposed 3.5 gigs, and can max anything (not the AA though, that stays on a lower SMAA setting usually)
>>343693435
Is that something partners are able to mess around with?
I remember that with the Fury partners are not able to do much with it but that was probably just for the Fury.
>>343691438
Somebody installed a water cooler on one, it barely overclocks at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjIHgq2zBU
>>343693680
Sapphire already confirmed their Nitro 480 has an 8-pin.
>>343690913
>buying reference cards
you're retarded
even for putting waterblocks on it they make shit for other boards too
>>343690913
>>GTX 1080 and 1070 reference versions cost more than partner boards for literally no reason
Nvidia prducing a far smaller amount of cards than any of the AIBs. stock and demand determine a higher price.
I doubt 3gb will be a big deal. The difference between 2gb and 4gb is minimal, 3gb will be enough for 1080p.
>>343691512
Kaby lake is not a die shrink, Cannon lake is. Kaby lake exists because Intel had to delay their die shrink, so Kaby lake was created to fill the gap until then and is only a minor refinement over Skylake.
>>343690913
>1080 experiences thermal throttling on stock cooler
>GTX 1060 base model only has 3 fucking gigs of VRAM and can't do SLI at all
so what you're telling me is to buy a 1070 when the price stabilizes and then drops a little over the next month or so?
>>343693364
Normally, AMD and Nvidia use what are called add in board (AIB) partners to make the cooling and sell their graphics cards.
>>343694329
yes
>>343694176
>The difference between 2gb and 4gb is minimal
you..you what
so you're saying my 770 2gb is STILL fine for 1080P? damn..
>>343694543
Also, who knows: maybe AMD will have some tangible benchmarks out for Vega in a month or two that make it worth considering holding out for its release.
Not massively likely, but still.
>>343692757
Yes.
>>343693885
Name one other time standard, no-frills reference cards have gone on sale with an MSRP set at $80-$100 more than partner boards.
>>343693869
because dumbfuck amd sent out the cards already overclocked to match 970 performance and now they have power problems.
>>343690913
>1080 experiences thermal throttling on stock cooler
This has been the case with almost every single reference graphics card ever since turbo boost was invented. Maybe not some low powered ones like GTX 960 or something, but the big ones all do it.
>GTX 1060 base model only has 3 fucking gigs of VRAM and can't do SLI at all
>implying SLIng two shitty cards is ever a good idea
What next, yo gonna CFX 480s? Weak ass shit.
>>343694329
That's exactly what I'm telling you, although a month seems a little optimistic.
>>343694723
I don't know how well a 770 performs, but if you need to upgrade, it's not because of the vram. Maybe in the near future games will start consuming more, but it will be easy to stay under 3gb.
Who non-ref 1080 here?
The sensation of finally having more than 2gb of VRAM.
>>343690913
>Current GTX suck dick in DX12 games, I.E every NEW game outside VR shit, and Early Access shit where they do not even max out the games because Early Acess games make you responsible for buying shit in the first place
>Have fun trying to find someone who actually sells a RX Firebomb at $225, aftermarket are bound to have a heatsing and a fan that are not shit, so they will only become more expensive.
970 and 750ti are possibly gonna be around until 2018 at this point. There is really no reason for an upgrade, worst of it all, 2016 games see no benefits frim this cards until you run at a meme resolution. The industry is really trying to push the 1440p and 4K meme resolutions. I would buy one if I could find a 27" 1440p or 4K monitor that is not as expensive as a brand new computer.
>>343691196
Blower cards exhaust hot air from your case reducing your ambient case temperature. So in addition to being cheaper they look better and have better thermal performance too. Paying extra for a REPUBLIC OF GAYMERS AFTER MARKET CUSTOM COOLER is retarded aimed at ricers with more money than sense.
I'm buying two 1080's and a vive once the 1080's are in stock again.
Ask me anything
>>343695569
>DX12
Literally who cares.
>>343691196
If the power setup is good, then reference cards are fine. Worst case scenario you have to put a third party cooler on that, which is exactly what AIB cards have anyway.
And in some cases reference cards are better, I'm rocking a reference 2gb 6950 that was unlocked to a 6970. AIB 6950s could not do that.
>>343693869
>Somebody installed a water cooler on one, it barely overclocks at all.
That's because reference cards don't have enough power headroom because of the 6-pin connector. They barely even run, let alone overclock.
AIB cards with 8-pin connector will be able to feed the card with enough current so overclocking can work to begin with.
>>343695635
what job do you have
>>343695634
If you have good airflow already, then a blower card isn't helping and an open-air cooler perform cooler and quieter.
>>343695769
Subsea engineer
>>343690913
Wait for non reference designs you mongoloid.
>>343694176
>>343695181
>1440p
>4k
Well there's your problem. The 960 isn't meant to handle those resolutions in the first place. There's hardly any difference because the GPU's lack of raw power bottlenecks it before the lack of VRAM can. You'll note the difference in 1080p for Farcry 4 is more pronounced. Besides , the 680, 770, 960 and 970 have all now faced the situation of having "enough" RAM for their performance class at launch, then watched VRAM use climb, ultimately hindering performance compared to cards with more VRAM in the long run. The 1060 3GB will be another one of those cards, one to be avoided. Even with the 480 and its higher base RAM, it's still a case of better safe than sorry to go for the 8GB version.
>750ti
>i7 3770
>I can play mostly everything that matters at 60FPS / 1080p
It is not that I do not want to upgrade, most likely to a 970 they ways things go or a GTX 1060, but the entire "Nvidia gets cucked in DX12" and AMD burning houses down, it feels like a shitty time to upgrade, at this point I could save and build an even better computer this time next year. I was honeslty looking forward to a GTX 1070. Might as well just save for a full upgrade next year witha 1440p
>>343695181
Unfortunately, you can say this when the game is actually optimized to use a certain amount of VRAM, do you really think that every game will perform the same with a 4GB or a 2GB card?
Developers are lazy nowadays. The majority of games are going to use as much ram as the video card has, in order to function properly.
>>343695453
my EVGA 1080 is coming Thursday. I'm upgrading from a 270x. I can't wait.
>>343694176
>3gb will be enough for 1080p.
>>343696101
Run this, tell me your framerate nigger.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/482400/
>>343695706
>$799 card runs as well as a $399 AMD card on Dx12
>This is fine
Not, it is not fine. It is certainly not fine at all.
>>343696037
That's exactly why the 6GB version will cost a fuckton more (like 100$ more) than the 3GB version.
Nvidia know this very well.
>>343692757
It does, but early indications are that so do the AMD cards in real-world scenarios.
To a certain extent, much of the issue right now is likely to be immature drivers and lack of optimization in the games themselves; the odd game that has been well optimized for DX12 tends to fly in the benchmarksand they then skew the numbers even more by selecting the rare games coded to be capable of getting a meaningful boost from Crossfire/SLI setups.
>>343695634
Non-blower designs can run cooler and quieter if your case has great airflow. I use blowers in my current box because it only has average airflow but it's still quiet/powerful enough not to warrant any upgrades on that front yet. Current major bottleneck is the GPU, so I'll probably pick up a blower 1070 when the price falls a little, maybe see if there's something with slightly better VRAM than the reference.
>have 980
>update drivers
>15fps drop in games
How can I roll back? Is Nvidia already gimping maxwell to push their new shit?
>>343695634
>blower cards are better than open air coolers
holy shit you're the most retarded poster in this thread so far
>>343696037
>>343696208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_mW36BDKs
Pascal has even better memory compression than Maxwell, and a lot of games that use more than 2gb vram don't actually go over 3gb.
>>343696119
>The majority of games are going to use as much ram as the video card has, in order to function properly.
The majority of gamers have older, mid range cards. It'll take a while before devs start developing games for 4gb as the default.
>>343696275
[Citation Needed]
>>343695706
Sorry, forgot my pic*
>>343696275
But DX12 literally doesn't matter. Any game thats actually worth playing is being developed for Vulkan.
>>343696332
Didn't you read about the 780 controversy of the updates? You shouldn't had to update since the new generation was out.
Try to remember the number of the driver and search it on google
>>343696332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCsT_dk-1E
>>343696263
>Biodumb 4: We miss the whole point of the series edition
>A game that matters
Surely you jest anon
However, I am running D44M 40 FPS at 1080p on medium settings, and DS3 on 60 FPS medium 1080p as well.
>>343696416
>"you won't need more than 3.5GB Vram, I promise you goy!"
I really want to know how the 480 compares to the 290x since that was my old card before my house literally burned down (inb4 >amd) but every fucking benchmark skips the 290x for some reason
>>343696669
Nigger its a remake of the first and isn't even being made by Irrational.
POST
YOUR
FRAMERATE
>>343696332
It's the way it's meant to be played
Can't wait for the tears of the people who fell for the 980ti meme as soon as they start getting drivercucked
t. 780ti owner
>>343696263
>Early Game garbage
>Expecting any sort of optimization.
I bought stand-alone DayZ where my 980 and i7 were used in 20% while my fps dropped to 30. I'll never ever again buy an early access game.
>>343696670
The problem with the 970 is that the last .5gb vram is slower and slows down all of the vram once it starts being used. I'm not a fanboy, I'd tell people not to get the 8gb rx 480 as well.
One poorly optimized game doesn't prove anything except that the devs were lazy.
>>343696582
Like what? I can only think of mount & gay: gaylords, and Deliverance.
I am sure I can run M&B and Surge already on my current PC, but the point is that even if I needed to upgrade, and I want to, these cards are shite.
I don't like Nvidia because they're a shitty company that gimps their cards and overcharges for green LEDs, but if they manage to make a card better than the RX 480 for a similar price point, I'll be buying it. Anything will be a massive upgrade for my toaster, I just want to not have to spend $600 for a fucking GPU when I could just buy a console and save $200 to spend on games.
got this 1070 on order, should hold me until HBM2, DX12 and 4K 120hz
>>343696670
here's your (you)
>>343696670
Out of fairness it should be noted that the Hyper Settings are a joke (mentiond in your pic source video) and don't increase the graphics by a big margin to be of an issue for the 970.
>>343696772
and what's in it for me?I might download it later, I am not on my other pc, I am on a thinkpad procrastinating
>>343697012
Every game that runs on Unreal Engine 4 and new Source
>f they manage to make a card better than the RX 480 for a similar price point
that is how you consumerize.
I'll only retire my 290 when a card comes out that outperforms it for 150€
4k is a gimmick for faggots anyway
Waiting for inevitable 480x for maximum bangs to minimum bucks
>>343691438
Does pretty well assuming you win the silicon lottery
>>343697284
so.. a bunch of indie games and cs:go
woah....
>>343697162
fun
>>343697406
you forgot vr, and early access surival games
games that not even a GTX 1070 can max out due to piss optimization.
>>343697406
>Only indie games run on UE4
>>343696873
>.5gb vram is slower and slows down all of the vram
But that's literally the opposite to what's happening in reality. Do you actually own 970? Yes the last 0.5gb is gimped but it doesn't magically make the first 3.5gb run like shit. Because of sudden difference in bandwidth you experience stuttering and random fps drops every time software tries to access that last 0.5gb of ram. I ran every game that actually uses those 4 gigs of vram and honestly all I experienced is micro stuttering in games like Shadow of Mordor and Lords of the Fallen. Not to mention there are like 5 games top that can actually reach this amount of vram and most 1440p/ultra detailed games reach Load limit way b4 vram bottleneck. I was thinking about making a series of webms showing those games with 970 but I don't care enough to prove shills wrong. Still shame on Nvidia, I wish they could gimp 970 in some other, more reasonable way. It was simply too strong for its money, and even now, 2 years later it still can run most 1080p games in ultra while being oced to 980 stock levels.
>>343697319
>fell for the 290/X meme
Nvidiabros get to upgrade their cards every year thanks to the gimped performance and yet AMD refuses to cuck their old cards, giving them more and more performance over time.
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
I WANT TO GET FORCED TO UPGRADE AS WELL
>>343697602
Any reason why I should buy a new gpu, and not a new PS4 and enjoy this, cuck of war, spider-man and bloodborne?
It is about the same price as a 970 SC
>>343697602
He is kind of right desu. It's either Indie or unoptimized glitchy garbage made by companies like Tripwire (I still love RO2 though)
>>343697823
Enjoy your analog sticks.
>>343697770
>tfw lost my 290x rig in a literal house fire
>Have to settle for a 480 this time since I don't have as much money as I did back then
>>343697654
I don't own a 970.I own a 1070.My understanding of the issue was that all of the ram slows down to the speed of the lower .5gb partition so that they stay in sync once that last .5gb starts being used.
>>343697602
it's all unoptimized indie shit
https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Category:Games
>>343697939
Stop looking at it in the short term. UE4 and Source are both embracing vulkan, how many UE3 games were there? Now think about how many UE4 games there will be.
>>343697770
i've been getting better FPS in recent drivers now that you mention it.
>>343698021
No, the last .5 just runs like shit causing microsutters.
>>343698093
But all thats being developed is INDIE SHIT
Name a single PS4 exclusive on unreal engine 4 that people actually care about
So far the worst part about Pascal has been the shitty founders editions (no shit, they're reference models) and the insanely low supply. It was basically a paper launch that continues to this day.
>>343690913
This applies to all cards released right now.
>Buying reference cards
>>343698093
>UE4 and Source are both embracing vulkan
This makes my dick hard, I'll probably buy a second SSD to install Linux on if more games become available for it.
Do you think M$ would ever go open source with their DX12 thus literally killing any opposition?
Hate to bring this up guys, but you don't have to actually buy a new card this generation, especially if both sides are shit.
I bought a 290X a year ago, and have been waiting for AMD HBM2 cards to launch. Looks like I'll get to enjoy my purchase for at least another 6 months.
>>343696332
>>343696627
>le nVidia gimpworks meme
Why is this even a thing, nVidia doesn't '''''''gimp''''''' any of their products, the older cards just aren't as good at running newer titles as their current lineup.
>>343699048
It's not gimping per say but dropping drivers support for $500 cards like 780 Ti 2 years after their release is a massive dick move.
>>343699010
No way. Everything indicates Microsoft is trying to tighten their grip on PC gaming, not loosen it.
>>343690913
>reference coolers are bad
WOW, WHO KNEW?
>>343699010
Not a chance. They're trying to use DX12 to force people on windows 7 to upgrade to windows 10. Open source DX12 would compromise that.
>>343697120
what happened to those last two
>>343696772
>remake
I thought that kickstarter I backed was for a remaster not a remake
>>343699407
Literally what is the difference
Microsoft wins either way. People still will be forced to upgrade to Win10 to get that sweet DX12 performance and since W10 can use Vulkan it's a win/win for the customer. I kid you not jumping from W7 to 10 dropped my CPU usage by 20% thus saving me from a CPU/MOBO/DRAM upgrade since my 3570 no longer bottlenecks games like GTA5 and Witcher 3. I didn't even pay for that shit, just cracked it in a minute. As for Vulkan, so far every company backing them up creates DoA shit like SteamOS which is 20% slower than Win10 performance.
>>343698637
Isn't AC7 being made in UE4?I care abuout it
>>343692757
>but does it apply to the newer cards (1070 and 1080)?
It does. There are minimal differences between Pascal and Maxwell's ability to process Dx12. You could even call Pascal a Maxwell die shrink.
Approx % improvement in performance for a 480 from a 7870?
I can't find a comparison anywhere that includes the two
>>343693869
>>343695059
See
>>343693435
>>343696670
Fucking wrecked.
>>343699850
About twice as fast in comparison.
>>343698158
That's pretty much AMD's calling card
>>343699048
>I ignore facts and have no idea what I'm talking about
>>343699547
Metroid Zero Mission is a remake of the first Metroid game
Super Mario All-Stars has remastered versions of SMB1-3
All of those PS2 HD collections on PS3 are remasters
The Last of Us on PS4 is a remaster
The newest Ratchet and Clank game is a reboot of the series but is also a remake of the first game
Halo Anniversary Edition is a remaster
Final Fantasy III DS is a remake of the NES version
Serious Sam 1 and 2 have HD remastered versions
Wind Waker and Twilight Princess had HD Remasters on Wii U
Are these good enough examples to tell you the difference?Oh wait you need to actually play video games to know this
>tfw you must wait indefinitely for a card that's already supposed to be out to start your new build
Get your shit together, Nvidia. I thought you guys liked money?
Won't there be a driver update very soon for 480s that will undervolt them? Not like you can't do it yourself in the meantime.
>>343691196
I still don't understand why they don't focus on making decent reference design that doesn't have a shitty cooling setup. Or better yet, why not make two styles, one blower, one similar to all the AIB variants with a couple fans blowing away? Seems silly if you ask me.
>>343699850
A bit more than double the performance
>>343700231
You'd have it by now if you weren't a ;lazy fuck and sat on an alert site.
>>343699603
Vulkan looks to close the performance gap between Windows and Linux.
If the leaks are true and Microsoft starts forcing a subscription model on Windows, that would alienate a lot of gamers and encourage more PC gamers to switch to Linux since a lot of PC gamers have the technical know how to install and use Linux.
>>343700231
It's 4 days until the 1060 is announced, which is also the leaked launch day. Not that long to wait.
>>343700342
>have a shitty cooling setup.
This is a meme.
The cooling on the FE cards is totally fucking fine with a fan curve.
The real question is why they send the cards out of the factory with a shit curve.
If Nvidia would actually produce something decent that's midrange and priced appropriately I would totally think about grabbing one.
That being said I'm still going to refuse my 480 delivery and just get the Sapphire variant once it comes out.
>>343699603
SteamOS performance is not the problem, it's drivers.
>>343700231
Nvidia doesn't make money from individual card sales, AIB's do. Nvidia already made its money from the 1080/1070 by selling to those AIB's.
>>343700342
Cooling methods are unaesthetic. Refs exist only to look pretty, the actually efficient cards are those manufactured by partners.
>>343700538
Not a bad choice
Though I'm firmly waiting on the 490
>>343700621
I really wish AMD ref was cool like the FuryX because the are the coolest looking cards ever.
>>343700342
>one similar to all the AIB variants with a couple fans blowing away
Why would they do that when AIB's are gonna do it anyways.
>>343700667
Honestly the 480 at ~$270 is all I can afford. I have a 1080p and 4k monitor but I don't want to spend upwards of $300 and more just to play the handful of games I like on the 4k monitor.
I would rather pay out for a pretty great card for 1080p and be done with it for awhile. My 7950 is just getting to old for some shit.
Unless the 490 is $300 and can do 4k great I just don't see the point.
>>343700667
Pretty sure there won't be a 490. A 480X at best, maybe.
>>343700621
Which begs the question, why not just make something that works well rather than looks "pretty"? Pretty doesn't function as well.
>>343701120
>Pretty sure there won't be a 490.
What you mean ever? Of course there will be a 490
>>343701128
But it does attract shareholders.
>>343701128
Because when it comes to marketing, it's better show something pretty than something efficient-looking. See: Apple.
>why not just make something that works well
Again, that's what partner cards are there for, and why you should only buy those.
Would I be better off with a 290x or a 480?
The prices are pretty similar at this point.
>>343701359
The 480 has better performance.
>>343701359
>will i be better off with old tech or new tech
are these the type of people we have here today?
>>343697284
by the way, which
upcoming games are using Source 2?
I get the impression absolutely nobody gives a fuck about it, even Valve.
>>343699547
There's actually a large difference between the two.
Remasters are usually just the same exact game but with different graphics, sound, slight gameplay tweaks that don't get in the way of the original's progression, or a combination of the three. Good recent examples of these would be Wind Waker HD and the Halo 1 and 2 remasters on the Master Chief Collection. They are essentially the same games as before but all feature different graphics, and in WWHD's case they changed some items around while introducing new ones to make the later parts more bearable.
Remakes are based on the original game but eschew a certain amount of it's design to replace it with something different. The new Ratchet and Clank game was a remake of the first one. Not only were the weapon selection different but the levels and even the story were changed. The upcoming Final Fantasy 7 remake is also like this, the biggest change being the shift from turn based battles to something more akin to Kingdom Hearts.
>>343695453
Yeah Strix boi
>>343701584
Absolutely none. Maybe DotA, but I've only seen it in the Source 2 editor in a video a year (two?) ago.
Really, at this point Valve can't be arsed to spend money on developping a new engine.
>>343701503
Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better.
Is a 960 better than a 780?
>>343701584
He's grasping at straws since he's a nvidia shill and thinks vulkan belongs to nvidia
This is the dx12 vs vulkan list
>>343701120
Vega series GPUs fill the 490/Fury replacement slots.
There will be no 480X, the Polaris10 die in the RX 480 is not binned, all CU are active. There likely will be a later revision with the model name RX 485 though. Nothing is known about that yet.
I recently got my GPU changed out from a 780 to a 970, and what the fuck. It performs worse in lots of older games that use DX9. GTA IV comes to mind most notably. The game is running at half the frame-rate it used to. The scaling is most noticeable in loading screens where I used to hit 5,000 fps on the 780, now I only hit 1,200 on the 970. It's atrocious. Walking around in the city, I used to get like 120-150 fps on the 780, now with the same hardware and software outside of the GPU being the 970, I'm lucky to get 80 fps, hovering between 50-60 most of the time.
>>343690913
You could just wait a month or 2 for prices to drop plenty and better models to hit.
>>343701214
They announced the 470 and 460. Surely if a 490 was planned they would have talked about it as well.
>>343701756
but isn't Source 2 already finished and DotA 2 was ported?
Still yeah no interest at all from anyone as far as I know, plus Valve seems to be done making games.
>>343701868
Fucking hell I want dx12 to die.
That way I can switch to linux fully ecept for a VM with PCIE passthrough.
At least amd's linux drivers are finally decent with polaris
>>343702056
>it doesn't exist because they didn't mention it
The 490 will likely use vega and have HBM2
Meaning early 2017 at best
>>343701984
Did you get the right drivers lol? That doesn't make sense. Power cords et all are connected properly?
so can i buy a 480 if i just want to play vidya again? my 7870 died a month ago and i just want to play streetfighter and arma again
>>343702165
If it's part of the next GPU family why wouldn't be the 590?
>>343699323
hyper setting in mirror's edge: catalyst uses 6+ gigs of vram.
How much do you guys think a 4GB AIB 480 will cost?
My 760 is on ita way out
I had to put doom at absolute minimum just to get a decent framerate.
>>343702176
Just wait a couple weeks for the Sapphire Nitro 480 and you're golden
>>343702176 wait for vendor cards
Housegire memes are real but also overblown.
Wait to get one thats been undervolted with an 8 pin
>>343702298
Same card but I'm adamant on HBM2
HBM2 will be worth the w8. If the 1070 had it I would have bought it so I'm betting on the 490 now
>>343700136
Nobody cares, fuck off anti-shill
>>343690913
>stock coolers
reference blowers are and always have been absolutely shit, AMD and Nvidia have always had ridiculously hot stock coolers because they're fucking garbage
>>343702307
That's what I'm doing too.
I built the rest of my computer while I wait for the 480 Sapphire Nitro, and I've been playing Overwatch on integrated graphics on my i5 6600k.
33% render resolution on a 50" 1080p TV. It's kinda hilarious, looks like a PS1 game. At least I get 60fps
>>343702307
cool, so the mobo melting stuff is just a meme or a one time thing that might have happened? past week has been full of shitposting on cards so i cant really tell. I looked it up and the leddit poster was so computer retarded it seemed like bullshit
>>343702447
yeah i was planning on waiting another month because prices will be inflated and it'll cost way more from the places i can get it from inAustralia
>>343699603
isn't steam OS just a distro of ubuntu?
>>343701868
You have to keep in mind Vulkan 1.0 is much more recent than DX12 and that it takes some time to convert an engine to run with another API (all of the games mentioned in your pics are converted engines).
Creating a good (read: UE4 levels of capability) engine from the ground up that uses Vulkan will take even more time.
>>343702658
Mobo melting thing is overblown, it will only affect you if youre on a shitty 6 year old motherboard or one that cost like $20.
Plus the Sapphire Nitro 480 has an 8-pin connector to solve this issue, so mobo melting chance is 0% if you get the Sapphire Nitro. That's why I said to wait.
>>343699161
They haven't dropped support for those cards, they've dropped support for 500 series cards.
>>343702237
I guess. Doesn't matter to me I can wait a few more months
>>343702828
>my "shitty old motherboard that costs 20 dollars" that works with literally every other GPU is at fault because the AMD 480 overdraws its current on the 12v rail by almost 50%
>>343702479
I just want oneore card to extend eek the last bit out of my 2008 i7 920, at least until Zen comes out and at the very least lowers prices on Intel's shit.
>>343702658
Its not 100% horseshit. Theres some pucture going around with a burnt out 24 pin connector, where the 3.3 v connector got burnt to shit, which is strange, because the -12v connector just above it looks fine, and thats the one thats supposed to be drawing too much current.
Wait for saphire or what ever
>>343697330
>Synthetic benches
>>343702828
>it has an 8 pin connector
This wasn't an issue with the 6 pin connector. It was a problem with the power draw through the motherboard at the 10th and 11th pin on the 12 volt rail which was drawing way more current than its supposed to.
an 8 pin connector will literally do nothing
>>343702658
There's a lot of conflicting information regarding wether the card could - or has, for some - damaged the motherboard.
What's for sure however is that the problem can be solved by reducing the core voltage.
>>343702970
So was your motherboard exploded?
Because I have yet to see any proof of this actually happening, only conjecture and forum posts of people saying "I SWEAR guys this ACTUALLY happened."
Totally not just nvidia jewery
>>343702556
Now why do reference cards suck so much, wouldn't they get more money if those reference cards were great?
>>343701584
Valve has said that theres no reason to even bother with DX12.
http://wccftech.com/vulkan-reason-create-dx12-backend-valves-ginsburg/
Dota 2 already has Vulkan support.
>>343703078
The two extra pins should tell the PSU that it can sendore tham 75 watts over the cable.
The AiB vendors do have to do some extra routing though
>>343702973
>I just want oneore card to extend eek the last bit out of my 2008 i7 920, at least until Zen comes out and at the very least lowers prices on Intel's shit.
Ha we have the same setup and vidya card. I'm on an i7 920 as well. But I like big upgrades so I must have HBM2/490.
>>343703172
>So was your motherboard exploded?
I'm not running a 480 so no
but blaming your motherboard which works with every other card for something that AMD did is complete non-sense.
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
There are 5 fucking review companies all getting the same results that the 480 overdraws current through the PCIe slots and pins
>>343703325
Im actually considering throwing a 60$ Xeon x5650 off ebay since its 22nm vs 32 Bloomfield and shouod run a bit cooler.
Got the bitch clocked 3.6-3.8 right now and its too hot in this Florida heat.
>>343703172
>AMD draws too much power from PCI-E
>Nvidia's fault
AMD fags are literally conspiritards.
>>343703189
Not really
Blowers suck because they're blowers, they blow air over a heatsink with really small radial fans and they're never good ever. They're also really fucking loud because the radial fans and the way they move air make tons of noise.
>>343703287
The 8 pin connector will do nothing when the 6 pin connector itself can easily supply the proper voltage and wattage to the GPU. The GPU itself draws power through the PCIe slot which is where the issue is.
>AMDcucks having motherboards explode after running a mediocre 970 performance clone
>mfw 1070 is running below 55C under full load
>>343703287
2x3 pin connectors can handle the exact same amount of power as 8 pin.
These misconceptions about power supplies, rails, and cables are ridiculous.
The power issue with some RX 480s had nothing to do with its power connectors at all. Its entirely software/firmware and its being fixed right after the holiday weekend. The issue was nailed down by noon yesterday. It stems from the Wattman software, and how the card adjusts power draw between the die and the memory on board. At stock clocks the die only pulls 110w, but the memory is pulling 40w. Unfortunately the Wattman software isn't regulating memory settings as it should be, and thats causing the intermittent issues.
>>343692757
>DX12
lol
>>343703714
So they're just going to put out a firmware update to make it pull less from the pci slot and more from the 6 pin?
Sounds good enough for me
>>343702174
Yeah of course. Everything is working, it's just weaker in DX9. I saw performance gains in newer games like DOOM etc, but older games pre-DX10 run like shit.
>>343703714
>mfw AMDrones say AMD fixed their driver issues
>>343701984
Was the GPU change the only change that happened?
I switched from a GTX 460 to a 970 and also experienced no real performance difference in my old games like TF2 and M&B Warband. I just attributed that to my CPU bottlenecking like hell (Phenom II X6 1055T).
>>343690913
Games are shit, why do you want to play games with ultra anyway? get high and 60fps and be more than happy because you won't miss anything
>>343703890
The card pulls 1.15v from the core right now, you can get it under the current draw if you lower the voltage from 1.15v to 1.1v. However unless you know to do this, your card will consistently overpull current from the slot
>>343699845
>You could even call Pascal a Maxwell die shrink.
>implying
The 1080 is only 10% faster than a 980ti in DX11, yet WAAAY faster in DX12.
>>343697939
>He is kind of right desu
No, you and that guy is fucking retarded.
>>343703637
You clearly are demonstrating you don't even know what the problem is, as it doesn't have anything to do with heat, and Nvidia has done the exact same thing in the past.
>>343703949
He has a point but it's unlikely AMD will fix this issue plus it's worse than just a firmware fix it's a problem of design
>>343704073
Nvidia has but all of it has been within tolerances
the ASUS 960 STRIX was overvolted and overclocked out of the box too high but it didn't cause any damage to people's motherboards.
>>343703949
Linux Polaris drivers apparently are on par (or at least close) with nvidias now.
>>343703984
TF2 is poorly optimized as fuck today. I don't have that picture explaining how some hats have more polygons than certain classes, and they don't have LOD models, so they still render a fuckload of them even from a big distance.
>>343690913
>the 1060 will immediately shoot up to at LEAST $370 the day after launch.
not gonna happen and prices aren't as high anywhere as you're saying
stock is low on flagship cards when they're released. this happens every single time and your chicken little "the sky is falling" shit shows you've been around through precisely one video card generation launch
>>343704073
>and Asus has done the exact same thing in the past
Fixed.
>>343704057
>cherrypicking
Are you really so stupid as to imply the 1080 is only 10% stronger than a 980ti?
>>343704227
a few polygons in the distance doesn't cause performance issues. TF2 is amazingly optimized
>>343704204
From what that guy just said it's literally going to be fixed in a firmware update on just a few days
>>343703714
That sounds like good news. Do you have a source for all of this?
>>343704337
>TF2 is amazingly optimized
If it is amazingly optimized how does a game from 2007 run absolutely terrible today? It won't even have a chance of running well on 2007 era hardware.
>>343704329
Yet the 1070, which according to your graph is 9% faster in DX11, is 17% faster in DX12.
So clearly theres some DX12 improvements that have been put in the hardware.
>>343704227
That doesn't mean that he shouldn't have gained a fuckload of frames going from a 480 to a 970, you drooling retard
>>343704440
>It won't even have a chance of running well on 2007 era hardware.
actually it'll run a lot faster in some ways. the reason is because it's designed for single core processors, not multicore, and true multicore support has never been added to tf2
>>343704204
>unlikely
The fix is literally being released on Tueday, July 5th.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10465/amd-releases-statement-on-radeon-rx-480-power-consumption
>>343704026
You need to set everything in Wattman to manual for the card's power delivery behavior to respond appropriate. If you only adjust voltages for the GPU's pstates then it will give the memory more power, so over all power draw will only be reduced by a marginal amount.
Though this issue only presented in a small percentage of card, its likely related to the ASIC quality rating. Basically AMD's new OC software had a bug. Thats it.
>>343704410
Lots of in depth discussion on S|A and Anandtech, plus the official statement above.
>>343704440
It does and you're bullshitting
>well muh 2007 hardware
do you even know what 2007 hardware is? thats an 8800gt with a pentium D and 2gb DDR2 memory.
>>343702658
Meme or not, the card isn't functioning as it should. Newer versions should fix the problem though, so just wait a couple weeks and get one of them and you should be gold.
>>343703714
>>343704708
So now that the big issue will be fixed, what the hell are we going to shitpost about?
>>343704921
Uh...
>>343704921
The fact that it's barely better than an old 970, when Nvidia's new midrange card is faster than their old 1000 dollar flagship?
>>343704921
Shitposters never stop shitposting.
The reality is that the RX 480 is a pretty great GPU, and right now its the highest perf/dollar GPU available.
Nvidia's soon to launch GTX 1060 will also be pretty great, albeit slight more expensive. Its also expected to perform slightly higher.
Two fantastic mid range GPUs at reasonable prices. I can't see why people get their ass hairs in a twist over this.
>>343705074
>Complaining about the fact that it's barely better than an old 970 at 2/3rds of the price
That would be shitposting alright.
>>343704207
No it hasn't retarded. It caused the same problems as this does. The cherrypicking blows my mind.
>>343705268
>1070 is better than a titan x at less than half the price
>while drawing less power than a 480
Why can't AMD compete?
>>343704921
Nothing for a while or maybe that is a mid end card and not a high end card and shitpost about it.
And will get worse when 1060 comes out.
>>343697654
>I wish they could gimp 970 in some other, more reasonable way
>I wish they could gimp 970 in some other, more reasonable way
>I wish they could gimp 970 in some other, more reasonable way
>I wish they could gimp 970 in some other, more reasonable way
>THIS IS WHAT NVIDIA BUYERS FEEL
>>343705372
It's more like they don't compete. The people who spend $450 on a GPU aren't the same people why spend $200 on a GPU.
>>343705637
>b-but muh /g/ hype about a 1070 killer at 200 dollars
>>343705637
*aren't the same people who spend
fugg
>>343705715
>/g/ is retarded
Woooooooow.
>>343705715
Not a single person said it would beat a 1070, we said it would beat a 970
>>343705864
A lot of people said it would be on par with the 980. They were wrong of course, since the card wasn't advertized to be on that level.
>>343705864
You revisionist dickhead.
Everyone and their mother said 980 performance.
Since we're talking about 1070/1080s
I want to game at 1440p I feel like 4k is a meme for another 3-4 years. Will the 1070 do well enough with a 1440p monitor and game at above 60fps? Or is it just better to shell out the money for a 1080 and game at 1440p at 100+ fps?
Also who the fuck knows when 1080s will be available. I went to my local Fry's and asked one of the cashiers when they would get more in. He said in 3 months, he also seemed slightly retarded so I am not sure if I should believe what he said
>>343705074
>400 dollars
>Cost of a fucking PS4 by itself
>Mid range
Holy shit it's what people actually believe, isn't it.
>>343703218
>Dota 2 already has Vulkan support.
O wow 1 old as fuck game
Meanwhile
>>343701868
Also the rest of the article you posted explains why vulkan won't succeed
Valve isn't making games or pushing anything as usual. Dead in the water.
>>343706062
>Will the 1070 do well enough with a 1440p monitor and game at above 60fps?
Not at max settings.
And it depends on what you're playing.
>>343706176
The the newest games coming out by the end of this year and all of next year. I want to play at max settings or at least be able to tweak the settings for it still look good and game at 60 fps.
>>343706073
Yes, people have a pretty warped vision of price ranges. I'm pretty sure anything that costs over 400 dollars counts as enthusiast grade.
>>343706073
XX70 is the midrange enthisiast card
XX60 is the poorfag card
XX50 is the mom/prebuilt card.
>>343706223
If that's an AoTS benchmark, I hope you die in a car fire.
>>343706280
You need a 1080.
A 1070 is getting way too close to 60fps on stuff like ROTR, Witcher 3 and Syndicate already.
It can't even do 45fps on 1080p with the gameworks stuff in Syndicate.
>>343706323
Soon, ALL upcoming games will look like this. Cry some more jewvidia fanboy
>>343705372
Do you want a real technical answer, or just shitposting?
The Polaris 10 die was made to be as economical to fab as possible. A ton of design choices were made to ensure it had the simplest, high yielding layout, and had the most performance with the least transistors possible. A big part of that was ROP count.
The Hawaii/Grenade die used in the R9 290/X and R9 390/X GPUs have 64 ROPs, that means at a fixed clock of 1000mhz they have a pixel throughput of 64Gpixels/s.
Polaris 10 only has half the ROPs, but its clocked marginally higher, so its pixel throughput is 40.5Gpixel/s.
Polaris 10 is newer arch, and per clock 1CU performs better than 1CU from prior arch, but ultimately you need pixel throughput to get those computations on screen.
Hawaii/Grenada with 44CU is 6.2 billion transistors
Polaris 10 with 36CU is 5.7 billion transistors
Hawaii/Grenada is incredibly dense
Polaris 10 actually sacrifices density to ensure defects are minimized. This is balanced against total die size which factors into candidates per wafer.
Polaris 10 was made to be cheap, and it was clocked higher than any previous GCN card to make up for what it lacks in transistors. It was made so that GPUs selling a $200 would have solid margins so they weren't sold at a loss. Power efficiency was disregarded to achieve that end, because at the end of the day 150w for a mid range card still isn't bad.
>>343706480
>Soon
More liek in a couple of years. It's gonna take some time before compatibility and scalability stop sucking dicks.
>>343706223
>>343699048
nigger they are especially if yo have a older card like gtx 580
>>343706480
>shills dx12 and Microsoft by extension
>calls anyone else Jewish
>>343699048
Gimpworks is fucking real bro.
Those options murder every GPU besides the current Nvidia flagship.
>>343706469
Those are numbers for 1440p for Witcher and Tomb Raider? Some numbers I was seeing had the 1070 hovering around 70fps at 1440p for most games.
Not that it matters either way, 1080s are fucking sold out everywhere and the model I want isn't sold by the places I use.
>>343706480
Nigga please. AMD fans love to sing praises about muh DX12 and muh crossfire but the fact of the matter is that the first is going to take like a decade to become the standard and the latter goes straight out of the window as soon as ANY game fails to utilize it properly (and as we've seen, that happens all the fucking time.)
>>343702860
then why does the GTX 750 Ti perform worse with the newer drivers?
>>343704563
Nvidia outright admit that in the most recent driver some shit were turned off for Ashes.
So yeah, improvement my ass.
>>343707257
source?
>>343706073
nvidia fanboys are used to getting their shekels taken away
>>343706073
for me a 150 graphics card is mid-high end
i stick with graphics cards for a long time so my perception of high end and low end is a bit distorted
the R9 290 is still high end right?
>>343707435
>the R9 290 is still high end right?
By comparison it would only be mid range now, its behind the 480.
>>343706982
In 1440p, you'll get an average of 65fps in Witcher 3 with hairworks off.
The problem with W3 and Tomb Raider benchmarks from the reviewers is that they all use $1000 CPUs. In those games, that's easily 10 frames. More in Tomb Raiders case.
In 1080p, with hairworks and a 2500k at 4.6. I get about 65-75 fps in Witcher 3.
Drops to under 55 in Novigrad.
>>343707435
Definitely. It's middle-high end. The 280 is bottom-high end and the 390X is top-high end. Beyong the 390X is enthusiast stuff.
>>343707257
It doesn't.
It perform worse in NEWER title where Nvidi didn't spend some resource optimizing it.
Like, X should perform as good as Y, but in the new game X somehow lost badly to Y.
>>343706653
>9%
>for 300 MORE $
>>343707435
I consider the 970/490 high end
Anything above is enthusiast. I mean in the past the highest end card use to be the x80 line. So the gtx 480 was enthusiast at $500. Now nvidia has gone full jew gimping cards and selling the full version/the ti at 800+
And even that is a weaker titan.
Plus 600 dollars for a 1080? Pathetic
>>343707718
But look at how the benches for the crossfired 480s are all over the place. The lack of consistency is because crossfire is still a steaming pile of shit. For the same price as two 480s, you can get a 1070 which is only ~20% slower than a 1080 and has none of the multiple GPU problems.
>>343707805
>Plus 600 dollars for a 1080? Pathetic
You sound poor.
I mean, literally the best GPU ever released, and it costs 400 dollars less than a Titan?
You're a shit m7