It's been eight years since the Metal Gear Solid series was brutally raped and murdered. Do you forgive Kojima for what he did?
>>343672975
MGS 4 feels and plays more next gen than V
>>343672975
It's been less than a year though
MGSV came out 10 months ago
I'm not as salty about it anymore because at least the series ended with MGS V, which was an actually pretty fun game.
But no, I will never forgive him for the piece of shit that was 4. I'd torture myself to erase it from existence.
>>343672975
Fuck you I liked it. Some things were dumb but you're all just a bunch of faggots with shit taste that don't even play games.
But mgs4 created MGO2, one of the most fun games I've ever played
>>343673318
MGSV did infinitely less damage to MGS than 4 did by miles.
>>343673545
>that don't even play games
Says the MGS 4 apologist without any irony
Got the plat. Not the least bit salty. PW, GZ and V on the other hand, well at least 1 through 4 were amazing.
>>343673671
What are you even trying to say? I don't play games because I like a game you don't? Fucking idiot kys
What exactly did MGS 4 do to fuck up the series?
(honestly don't know, not trying to defend it)
>There are people on this board right now who shit all over MGS V and then go on to gush about MGS 4 in the next sentence
What's a fair and just punishment to these people, /v/?
>>343673883
Basically retconned a lot of 1-3 by saying nanomachines did everything. Also the cutscenes were really intrusive to the gameplay. Also meryl/johnny was really cringy. Also raiden somehow becomes and even littler bitch after he's been transformed into a godlike cyborg ninja
>>343674150
The death penalty
>>343674150
Banishment to Reddit
>>343674150
The shitting on MGS V part is irrelevant, I do that too
But the sin of defending MGS 4 can only be paid for with blood
>>343674150
That's the only "game" they ever get to play for the rest of their lives
>haha let's take the fucking joke scat character, turn him into a handsome capable hunk for no real reason, have him be an integral part of MGS4 and then pair him off with arguably the series' fan favorite female
fuck you kojima
>>343674161
>nanomachines did everything
What are you talking about? The only dumb use of the nanomachines was to explain vamps healing ability. Other than that they were pretty fine and didn't retcon anything.
>I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE POSSESSED LMAO!!!
MGS 4 is easily the worst game in the series. Fuck you, Kojima.
>>343673318
Nice meme, faggot. MGS V is a masterpiece compared to 4.
>>343674854
>haha let's turn one of the most beloved action heroes of all time into a fucking moron, then batter him around as he acts nothing like he did in any of the other entries, then basically kill him off
I've yet to play MGSV so what exactly happened, and where did it go wrong?
>>343674854
You know you can skip that shit and not miss the good stuff right? It's done perfectly so that you can skip all the cringe shit with otocon crying and the meryl and johnny crap. I know it sucks it even exists but at least there is an easy fix.
>>343672975
>this game is .99 at Gamestop
Even Kinect shovel ware is worth more than this garbage.
>>343674854
>>343675162
>Dude, what if we turned The Patriots into a personality-less A.I. that doesn't interact at all with the player and is so fucking stupid they fall for "I was just being possessed by another guy" trick? Oh, let's have the wacky codec crew from 3 be their creators while we're at it ROFL!
>>343675335
>just ignore everything wrong with the story, characters and plot
I'd be looking away 90% of the time playing MGS4.
>>343675039
Oh no, not another ruse by a guy that is known for doing nothing but that all the time.
>>343672975
You're dumb. 4 was great. 5 was great too. So were 1-3. PO was mediocre and PW was ok.
>>343675446
Stop posting and replay the games. You're clearly not up to the task of discussing something you don't understand.
Kojima is not entirely to blame.
MGS 4 would still have been shit, but it would have been way less shit if they went with Kojima's ending of Snake and Otacon being tried as war heroes. Instead the rest of the team refused and Kojima bullshitted out the terrible ending we got.
>>343675543
You're not worth my time. Enjoy your day.
I'm fucking glad you guys are the vocal minority
cause i enjoyed the fuck out of MGS4
>>343675335
But Otacon crying isn't even a bad thing - IF DONE WELL. Otacon crying over Sniper Wolf and then his sister dying felt real and justified. But he had no reason to fall in love with Naomi, there was no chemistry, and it comes out of nowhere. It was pushing emotions onto people that didn't have any reason to feel them, and that's why Otacon being a crybaby in 4 is fucking dumb.
I liked 4and 5
I forgive Kojima constantly for stupid shit. But, MGS4 isn't one of them. It is outright good.
Literally the only part of the game/story that is retarded and rape-y was "Ocelot got himself hypnotized to believe he was Liquid Snake," and I willfully ignore that; His dad was The Sorrow, a fucking medium.
Only good parts were REX vs RAY, Snake vs Ocelot and the endingbefore the epilogue.
>>343675939
I can relate. That's exactly how I feel about MGS V
So much samefag in this thread, Jesus.
>>343676064
Mah African friend from a different wife's son
How incomplete was 5? Were there supposed to be more sequences like the opening in the hospital? That was pretty great, and then there was nothing else like it the rest of the game.
>>343675446
After all these years, I still don't get how acting like he was possessed by Liquid was advantageous to Ocelot's plans at all.
>>343676212
Hey, newfag, you can check the number of posters a thread has. It's the number above to the right of the number of images and to the left of the page number it's on.
>MGS4 sucked
>only had 360 or PC last gen, never got to play it, says it sucked to make self fell better
>stay salty
>>343673205
sure it does bud.
You mean 15 years
>>343673792
hes making fun of you because you're defending a game that has 5 hours of gameplay and 10 hours of cutscenes, while u tell people they don't like "games"
>>343676330
The game says that because The Patriots had killed Liquid before, if they thought Ocelot was Liquid then they "underestimated" him, apparently enough to get completely overtaken by him.
I'm not shitting you. This is literally what Big Boss says during the terrible exposition dump that is the game's ending.
The ultra intelligent A.I. that controls the world's culture and war economy fell victim to this master ruse.
>>343676038
Honestly, I didn't even really get him crying over Sniper Wolf. You want to talk about "no chemistry", she and Otacon barely interact, aside from her yelling at him not to interfere with her and Snake fighting, and maybe asking for her gun when she's dying. Beyond that, it just felt like some weird internalized infatuation Otacon developed because he was a antisocial nerd, and she happened to walk around with her titties hanging out. Or, as Snake observed, stockholm syndrome.
I don't get how people can say MGS 4 and 5 ruined MGS with stupid bullshit when all of the games have had some kind of super retarded shit going on.
I hope it will be remastered so I can re-re-re-replay it
I don't know about you but I really liked it
Let's not even touch the subject of MGO2 because I will always miss it
>>343675167
>basically only 2 incredibly lame boss fights
>repetitive environments/missions
>grindy mother base stuff
>can just fulton balloon all enemies away, don't have to worry about their bodies anymore
>basically no indoor gameplay
>uninteresting, joyless, incomplete, incomprehensible plot
still a lot of fun 2bh just doesn't feel like MGS
>>343676120
>Literally the only part of the game/story that is retarded and rape-y was "Ocelot got himself hypnotized to believe he was Liquid Snake,"
To be fair, the only reason Kojima did that was because reviewers wouldn't shut the fuck up about how silly it was that he was getting possessed by Liquid's arm in MGS2.
https://youtu.be/GbCgQKHUhQc
>>343676641
>Russia sends an invading army to the United States of America
>WHO ARE YOU GUYS?
>We're, ehm... We're from ISIS.
>OH! YOU GUYS HAHAHA, WELCOME ABOARD!
>>343676709
Most likely the latter. You have to understand Otacon was a weak willed guy in the beginning, then he was forced to become a hostage to complete a nuclear weapon that could destory the world. Anyone in that position would be stressed the fuck out, and emotions could run wild. While he and Sniper Wolf never really interacted, it was a case of him using his excess emotional stress to prevent himself from falling apart. Love can bloom on the battlefield, anyway.
>>343674950
are you serious? The fact that EVERYTHING came back to nanomachines was fucking awful and lazy. Nanomachines this, nanomachines that, gotta suppress my nanomachines to get this cutscene to go any further.
It was awful. MGS 4 was like someones fanfiction
>>343676120
Nope, you can't choose to ignore that. The game you forgive clearly implies heavily that none of that was about the sorrow, it was all nanomachines.
You don't get to choose what to ignore.
>>343676563
Best in the series you rube
>>343675167
-Story is one of the weakest of the series but you only understand why once you finish mission 46
-Missions are very ripetitive (but I didn't complain too much because there are many ways to finishing an objective)
-Very few patrols outside small outposts and villages/important areas
-Chapter 2 has mostly recycled missions with modifiers
-They cut mission 51
>the first game on nes brutally raped and murdered the series
>literal trash game that kojima hates
>4/5 are the bad ones
>>343677565
Metal Gear 1 is a pretty great game for the time, mate, as long as we're talking about the MSX game. Don't know about the NES one.
Storywise it delivered, even if the fan service was heavy handed and shit like physcomantis (later to be further milked in mga V) did more harm than good.
But the real problem was gameplay. Booses were easy/ boring and it played like an action game. I don't care that you "can stealth it" if i get detected im going to try my balls off to make the objective anyway, and in mgsIV all that happens is you easily gun down foes with an assualt rifle and get there easy. When i got detected in mgs3 there was an oh shit moment and i made a panicing scramble, sometimes I would, most the time i wouldn't,.In 4 it's like, "oh i was stealthing" oh well.
>yfw MGS4 is better than V by virtue of actually being a finished game
>>343676563
After some recent reflection, I've realized that the only MGS game that I've unquestionably loved is the first MGS, and that's probably because I wasn't expecting it. Every entry since has hit me with some level of disappointment.
>>343676993
How ground zeroes should have ended and begun in V and use GZ ending for V
>>343677769
>yfw MGS V is better than 4 by virtue of not having raped the series as badly
>>343674854
this is the only reason people hate 4. you faggots are just mad your waifu got stolen from you. either way 4 was great and you are all faggots.
>>343672975
Never. Ever.
>>343677872
>yfw MGS V is better than 4 by virtue of not having raped the series as badly
By playing it safe, and being completely inconsequential to anything in the canon. It's a giant filler episode.
>>343677516
I don't think it's the weakest, it's the most barebones, but I'd say mgs 4 was the weakest. MGS4 was the epitome of "quantity doesn't equal quality"
MGS V's story is really barebones and feels hollow, but I think that's because there isn't as much exposition and random facts dropping as the other games had. You don't get very far into ocelots mind, or kaz's mind, because they're both playing the calm collected and vengeful side of venom.
But I think from an actual story standpoint it's way more engaging and thought out than a lot of the stuff that was in MGS 4.
>>343677882
Yeah, totally the only issue dude, not the other numerous ones posted in this very thread or anything.
>>343678057
100% Correct, as opposed to a ruinous and catastrophic shit conclusion to the story.
>>343678057
>It's a giant filler episode.
this.
>>343676330
Wait what?
He was pretending? I don't remember this...
>>343677139
You wanted it to be magic then?
>>343678057
it's still better than the giant fan fiction episode that was mgs 4.
It's embarassing that that's how snake's story ended.
>>343678132
MGS V is fucking retarded. Parasites, Skullface, even just Venom being Big Boss 2.0
But it certainly had more thought than MGS 4 did. Even in its unfinished state, it was a million times less retarded.
Nothing wrong with MGS4 except the terrible framerate issues. Especially in the crying wolf fight.
>>343678190
yes you faggot because even with mgs4 having issues none of them warrant the amount of hate it gets. the gameplay was good, the story was interesting and lets face it the story has always been retarded in these games, it made a legitimate attempt to try and pull all of the loose ends together and GOD DAMN THERE WERE SO MANY and it had the best fucking mgo to ever be.
>>343678225
>game has cyborg ninjas and technology that can't realistically exist
>clones of super soldiers done in the early 80s that come out being better than the guy they were cloned from
>somehow supernatural things can't exist
You're the type of fan that caused garbage like MGS 4 to exist. Because everything has to be explained. It's called suspending disbelief
I kind of liked it. Don't know why, I just do. That boss fight with ocelot was fucking great, and that big boss reveal in the end credits was pretty hype.
>>343678612
>Story has always been retarded
Fuck you, nigger. MGS 1, 2 and 3 have great stories. 4's is fucking trash. There's no comparison.
>>343677882
The main thing I didn't like about MGS4 was that stalking mission in CHapter 3. Pretty annoying if you ask me. I get that it's a stealth game and all but it was so tedious and not fun at all.
>>343678612
There was no reason to resolve all the loose ends at once. Of course it's gonna be a fucking clusterfuck that only creates more holes, or tries to solve problems that never really existed.
Gameplay could be good if the gameplay was longer than 2 longers, but it just isn't.
>People have already forgotten how Kojima actively sabotaged the story of MGS4
>people unironically think it's good instead of seeing it for the intentional clusterfuck it is
What's that website that explains all this shit? /v/ showed it to me years ago, back in 2010 or 2011. Someone needs to educate these fools.
>>343678709
you are a delusional faggot. the metal gear series had great presentation but the story was always a ridiculous mess. and if it's anything mgs4 blew any of the games in the series out of the water for it was presentation.
>>343678824
honestly though I've got to agree with this. they dropped the ball with the way the sneaking was handled in that.
>>343678612
there didn't need to be loose ends tied you fucking retard. That's why 2 ends the way it does and he went on to move away from that plot point and went back in time with 3.
He's implied multiple times in interviews that 4 was made begrudgingly because of people demanding a conclusion to snake and raiden's story. That's what happens when you try to force a pretty little bow on something that doesn't need it.
I can't stand you faggot "die hard" metal gear fans that are too stupid to even understand the games you try to defend like you have some right to it, kill yourself my man.
>>343673883
>terrible story that pretty much ruined the lore and some characters (the medic being an evil psychopath in mgs4 is an example)
>the game was more action orientated, and the few stealth section/set pieces were pure shit (chapter 3)
>debrin shop made the game extremely easy (buy weapons and ammo anytime, anyplace ruining the procure on site philosophy from previous games)
>game is too short and filled with cutscenes (the game doesn't have more than 4 hours of actual gameplay)
>it relies too much on nostalgia and the shadow moses segment is sucks nigger dicks simply because kojima thought it was a great idea to fill the area with annoying spider robots instead of normal soldiers patrolling the area
>20fps
>>343678910
MGS 1, 2 and 3 have great stories. You're an idiot.
>>343678932
as far as we knew that could have been the last game so it sure as fuck needed some loose ends being tied. nothing is worse than when a series ends and none of your question even get an attempt at an answer. please take your own advice.
>>343678132
Well the thing is that supposedly you want revenge against Cipher but it turns out that the one responsible for Motherbase's attack was his XO
So the game that is supposed to tie loose ends with MG1 is a game consisting in having to hunt down a burnt agent that barely has any personality at all and while the whole rage and becoming demons theme are supposed to be explored you have Venom barely speaking and saving child soldiers, suffering the guilt of having to kill his own men affected by the virus for mercy
I'm not blaming the trailers for what we should have expected, but how Kojima built the game to show Big Boss's descent into madness and how his thirst for revenge was going to turn him into a demon, suggested by the horn, the harness strap dangling like a tail and the blood all over him but instead we got an unneccessary twist and Kaz's evolution into a more ruthless man
>>343678897
Neo-/v/ is real.
>>343672975
4 was a horrible clusterfuck that would have benefited with taking place in one or two locations instead of fucking 5. Buying weapons also felt out of place.
>>343678897
>kojima is a hack
>in his attempt to sabotage a game it ends up good
>>343678897
I can't find it, but it's not even that hard to tell.
How many interviews did kojima do around the time of 4 or after 4 where he says over and over that he's basically being forced to keep making metal gears?
That was the one and only time he clear as day talks about the series begrudgingly.
>>343679106
Actually, a lack of answers would have been much preferable to what we got with 4.
You can spot the people whose first MGS game was V because they actually believed that Missing Link shit, even though it's been said so many times before.
>>343679264
you know what? among all of this back and forth "kys shit taste faggot" we aren't going to get anywhere. it's fine that you dont agree with me and like 4. It's my only day off so I'm going to go play video games.I hope you at least thought the final fight was cool.
It doesn't surprise me all the hate i see of mgs on here. In fact im surprised it ever grew popular. I absolutely love the series, but the story is one for only a niche crowd. Reminds me kind of of deadly premonition in that it half blends American style and half blends Japanese style. Normies will find the complex convulated elements and sort of weird japan style shit kojima goes for. Weebs won't like the western hollywood style presentation.
>>343676153
Way to name some of the worst parts
>>343672975
I think this actually has some of the best gameplay and set pieces in the whole series.
>>343679106
lmao what you said doesn't even make any sense. I can tell you're so fucking stupid just by how you type.
You are legit the type of person that caused the garbage like mgs4 to be made.
The way 2 ends was more than enough of an ending to snake and raiden's story. There were no loose ends that NEEDED to be explained.
Snake and raiden both end 2 going off to be who they want to be, for their own reasons. That's the whole fucking point of the game.
I take back what i said about killing yourself, go back to school, familia.
>>343673883
People still didnt realize that the series was never that serious and was essentially die hards bizzare adventure from the beginning.
>>343677139
But not that many things went back to nanomachines, leading me to believe you havent even WATCHED this game and instead just repeat memes
>>343673883
It was popular.
Welcome to /v)
>>343679810
So were the first 3 MGS games and pretty much everyone agrees they're great. What a fucking weak excuse.
Whats wrong with MGS4?
Hardmode: Only people with Girlfriends can answer
>>343680034
In my opinion the only problems MGS4 had were
-Cutscenes were too long
-Framerate wasn't consistent
That's it
>>343679262
>>343678897
Found it.
http://metagearsolid.org/mgs4-articles/
Read and learn my anons. You will see MGS4 for the bullshit it is but also learn to appreciate it in a unique way.
>>343679806
anon, I love this fucking game, and this series, and just replayed the whole series MG 1 to TPP start to finish. everything that happens in 4 goes back to nanomachines.
Rat patrol is garbage without their nanomachines, all soldiers around the world can only do what they do because of nanomachines, vamp can only do what he does because of nanomachines, akiba is tough because he DOESNT have nanomachines, ocelot can control the emotions of soldiers with nanomachines, nanomachines can stop cancer. Theres a bunch of other shit im forgetting.
Point is the game went from mgs 1 and 2 being able to give a soldier slight enhancements and benefits in the battlefield to become midichlorians, that's bad storytelling.
>>343677286
> none of that was about the sorrow, it was all nanomachines.
The game clearly indicates that ghosts are real, and not just "other games in the series." What of Psycho Mantis's ghost possessing Screaming Mantis? Nanomachines?
>>343672975
I consider MGS4 to be the worst of the main games, but I think people give it a little too much crap sometimes.
If it had more gameplay like Act 1 and 2 it would have easily been the best.
>>343676305
Well you can seperate all kikongo speakers and not have to lose the entire squad over some he said she said shit
How?
The 4th game is some of the most Metal Gear-ish action in the series. There aren't many Metal Gear Solid games as quintessential as MGS4, cheesy movie action, over the top stunts and a deep, complex undulating plot filled with confusing postmodern contrivances and pleonasms.
How did MGS4 ruin the series?
>>343681567
"Quarantine "
>>343676305
Nobody knows, so take all the answers you get with a grain of salt, but I'm convinced it was just gonna be a bigger budgeted peace walker, so imagine peace walker but with real cutscenes and a different story.
I really liked 4 and V4 was probably one of my favorites from the whole series
>>343680240
Agreed. Kojima wrote himself into corners, there was no real way to tie anything up without it being retarded. You can probably put more blame on MGS3 than on 4 itself. But fedoras love that game too much to realize.
Every single game in this series is bad, so I don't know why anyone is mad
>>343679960
Shit, I forgot to mention.
It's a PS3 exclusive.
>>343681846
I don't agree, 3 would have been inconsequential if 4 hadn't come out, and instead peace walker was the game that came to PS3, then TPP.
Not only would phantom pain had gotten the time and budget it deserved, but snakes final game wouldn't have been the garbage it was, cuz kojima could have come back to it at a later time without feeling pressured to just tie it all up and end it. IMO, at least.
He could have easily turn this gane into a spells potions class of xmen with raiden having more to say or a much more signifiCUNT role like how GZ is all one level but the future is not written
>>343678978
You are now aware that an average first playthrough of MGS4 consisted of 11 hours of gameplay (more gameplay than cutscene)
http://mgsforums.com/topic/7644188/1/
>>343681846
Fedoras love mgs2 dummy
I never hated mgs4
Hated V though
>>343672975
Daily reminder
I had fun playing MGS4. I had fun playing MGSV. Both have huge, but very different issues.
>>343676641
I also always had a hard time understanding this, but I think it's actually because when Liquid had become a threat in the past (at Shadow Moses), Snake was sent to eliminate him. Ocelot knew that the Patriot AI would automatically repeat its past actions to deal with the same problem. So, becoming Liquid was a way to ensure that the Patriots would send Snake to stop him, and eventually destroy the Patriots thanks to his buddy Otacon.
>>343679960
Have you not seen how much those are shit on as well?
>>343681259
People ignore this just so they can complain
>>343682983
>would rather go home and think about joosten
so would I 2bh
Is it possible to pirate MGS5?
>>343673654
No. MGSV shit on the legacy and killed konami
>>343684782
Well it has PC, 360 and PS3 releases so yes.
>>343684909
Wasn't it protected by Denuvo the Uncrackable?
Is Denuvo a meme?
>>343677659
The NES was a shitty port by comparison.
>>343677746
That's because MGS1-3 had shitty gunplay. You couldn't even aim and move at the same time in MGS2 and 3.
>>343684840
Lol kojima was fired before release dumb ass! Konami killed konami! Why would he put in effort if he is already fired?
>>343684363
she looks like a horse
>>343685305
>irony of your image
There's no way they just told him "You're fired" right before release. He probably knew the entire development it would be his last game with Konami
>>343673205
I see what you did there
