Zero Time Dilemma thread
Anyone got a link to the AX panel with uchi that just happened yesterday ?
>everybody refreshes, nobody makes the damn thread
Hey guy stuck on the Q Force Quit Box, you in here?
>she's not in this timeline
>>343609685
how can you even stuck in those for quit box fragment? they are not really puzzle
if you did the necessary steps and play other fragment, you get the password for it 100%
ther
>yfw sheasks you to sleep with her
so why was junpei so aggressive towards akane for most of the game if he came to Dcom just to propose to her?
So am I fucked here? I have seemingly nowhere to go
Spoiler filed picture if you're not close to the end
>>343609931
blueball
>>343609586
So, what are your guy's fav games in order? Mine's:
999 > ZTD > VLR
I actually ended up liking the campy-ish cutscenes of ZTD, and the journey for me was on par with 999. VLR I didn't like as much, because I didn't like the sometimes straight up retarded plot twists, and the shit ending. Ending goes the same for ZTD, I want another game just to wrap everything up once and for good, but I have a feeling if they do, they'll only fuck it up even more.
>>343609956
Did you do all 3 executions?
>>343609865derp
>>343609865
Drunk Diana was best girl by far
>>343610006
That fan art is fucking disgusting. Get that shit out of my face.
>>343609956
your tree lacking something
did you do those top 4 scenarios yet?you have to kill each teams by the 13:3- vote and save all of them with a draw vote
>>343610032
Yes but onlygreen is highlighted.if that matters
>>343609956
>Perceptive End
wew I'm so sorry.
>>343610006
I agree completely with this
VLR was the ugliest game and had my least favorite cast
Why was the last thread saged?
>>343609865you don't have the balls
>>343610157
>yes i did all of them
>but only one get highlighted
then you didn't do all of them yet
>>343610006
999 >>>>>> VLR/ZTD
shouldve ended after the first
>>343610006
999 > VLR > ZTD
VLR rates higher for introducing Phi, one of my favorite characters in the series, but the rest of the game isn't great.
>>343610184
probably because some fucking retard phrased it like a general thread
>Guy with naruto purple eyes and over 100 years old
>Story about some falsely accused guy and his wife that killed herself that's actually revealed to be Akane's parents is NEVER mentioned again
>ALIEN TECHNOLOGY
>a blood-thirsty murderer suddently turns herself in, marries an icecream man and gets regular visits by a fucking robot
>Kyle, Alice, Clover never mentioned as stated here 1000x times already
>Sigma loses his eye and arms in the most retarded way possible (I was really expecting some decision game for this)
>Akane and Junpei hardly have anything similiar with their old personalities
>Gab is killed because who knows why
Oh well, at least is wasn't as bad as MGS V. I probably just had way too high expectations.
>>343610157
you've only activated both vote scenarios. Go back and vote again to trigger the executions.
>>343609956
You should be able to do theDoor of Truthat this point.
>>343609865
Made me rock hard.Sigma could do better than her though.
>>343610169
lmao i noticed that too
how the fuck he got that one and didn't get the 3rd one, must be spoiler
>>343610157
So no, you only did one. Get them all highlighted. It's by far the most common roadblock that people face, I was there too bro.
>>343610261
>>343610230
Oh, motherfucker. So I have to keep voting until it does all the shit I need. Ok then. Guess that will solve this then
>>343609865
Why is Sigma so naive when he named his daughter phi and sending her to a different timeline that he wouldn't think its possible that it is same person?
>>343610439
Because if he wasn't, that wouldn't be her name.
>>343609931
Did you read the prologue in the art book?
>yfw you realize that all the English voice actors were injected with Radical-6
>>343609865
Everything leading up to that part was really sad, so her saying that really disturbed me. One of the best dramatic points in the game.
>>343610006
I liked 999 and VLR the most, for different reasons. 999 was enthralling and the character art was fantastic. The mystery was compelling and the tone was creepy and dark. But playing it over and over from the beginning got tiresome.
VLR improved in terms of gameplay and had some shining moments. The AB game felt impactful. I couldnt take the decisions lightly and the repercussions were fun to see play out. The art and models were bad but the dialogue and voice work were fine. I liked jumping timelines with new knowledge. And the reveals were really mindfuck-y.
ZTD was okay. I didnt like the stilted animations and the dialogue felt unnatural because it was tied to the scripted sequences, unlike VLR's dialogue boxes. There were some interesting ideas but they didnt handle Akane and Junpei well imo. I also didnt like having to hear the same things explained three times each.
>all these people didn't take every option just to see what happened when voting
I had the thumbs-up before I even knew I needed it.
Akane's love for Junpei was too much for me mates.
Killed me.
>>343610430
>>343610353
>>343610261
I'm free now. Thanks niggas.
>>343610246
vlr had cool twist at the end with ? and K. But it got scrapped so I might agree.
>>343610853
>Killed me.
carlos? :^)
>>343610497
or he would know and that is why he would do it. That mofo is suppose to be a genetic engineer.
>>343610853
Anyone else find Junpei incredibly sexy in ZTD? Something about that voice.
Also why does he look so shy in the promotional material when in the game he's anything but?
>>343610853
>super hardcore machiavellian the ends justify the means in VLR
>MUH JUNPEI WE CANT KILL OUR OTHER VERSIONS WHY DO I CARE ABOUT DYING WHEN IN VLR I WAS SUPER NONCHALANT ABOUT BEING STABBED TO DEATH IN EVERY TIMELINE
What the fuck happened? Did the writers other than Uchikoshi never play the other games?
>>343611000
I thought Carlos was the hottest. Junpei kind of looks a bit too emo for me.
>>343610259
The decision games fucking sucked. When I saw the chart with FBR and Radical-6 death chances, I thought you were going to have to choose to infect a bunch of people and try to morally justify it either way.
>>343611000
I'd rather fuck Sigma's 18 inches.
>>343610006
I just want to erase VLR and ZTD from this timeline and live on with only 999. I didn't dislike VLR at all, I liked it almost as much as 999, but VLR existing leads to ZTD.
I was in line for that shit at AX and was turned back when I was nearly in because it was full.
Life is simply unfair.At least I nabbed a VLR watch.
>>343611217
I want to jump to a timeline where VLR and ZTD got the same time, attention to detail, and budget 999 did.
>>343611050
wait, why do you compare vlr akane and ztd akane?
that is stupid, she didn't get her conscious send back like phi and sigma
her personality in VLR is the result of what happen in ZTD
i keep seeing people making this mistake because they think vlr is the 2nd game that mean everything happen in vlr happened before ztd
>>343610803
Gotta agree with you on the VLR AB games. I remember feeling legitimately bad for betraying people I didn't want to betrayLUNA
I also really liked some of the characters as well, but for me, story was by far the weakest, at least imo. Like I said, just too many stupid reveals, and it didn't fit the same tone as the first game. The first game was by far my fav, because it just had me hooked from the start, wondering, "What the actual fuck is happening?" which just isn't the same in VLR, or even ZTD. Like you said, the art was great, and I honestly think it could've easily just been a standalone experience, if they just tied up a few loose ends.
>>343611050
That's future her, it's explainable. Now what I want explained is her setting off the reactor and fucking killing all of D team, remember when she did that?
>>343611050
3 things:
Being a timelord that can see almost every reality for 45 years will fuck your head.
She had to destroy what little morality she had left to enact her master plan.
Whatever the fuck was in that Free the Soul meeting probably broke her.
>>343610439
Sigma was generally dumb as fuck in ZTD.
>>343611369
I remember seeing Luna standing menacingly outside of your voting room and it was probably the uncanniness of the models and her just standing there silently that made me hit betray. She was just too good to be true for me, until I learned more about her.
How's ZTD's reception in Japan?
I want some porn of them ASAP. Pixiv, please.
What did he mean by this?
>>343611363
>she didn't get her conscious send back like phi and sigma
fuck i feel stupid now
>>343611734
I WILL HAVE WALLED OFF 6 BILLIONS
What did she mean by this?
>>343611734
DIANA = TRUMP CONFIRMED
>>343611734
Well, the original 999 characters were based off of personality archetypes (can't remember which system atm), so he was probably explaining where the ZTD characters come from.
>>343611363
This doesn't explain Sigma and Phi being emotional when someone dies since they are just save scumming.
>>343611880
Who knows.
>>343611734
>Akane "YOU KILLED JUNPEI" Kurashiki is logical
>Eric "This is my boomstick" is positive
Really?
>>343611734
Literally nothing there makes sense. What a hack.
>>343611734
He's definitely full of shit.
why did akane run to turn off the lights during the axe-chainsaw fight
that was the dumbest shit ive ever seen
>>343609865
YOU
DON'T
HAVE
THE
BALLS
COWARD
>>343611734
COMPLEX MOTIVES
>>343611734
where is the source?
Okay, we all know the budget for this game was rock-bottom. Like, $20 and some lint at most.
As-is, it's sold 10k~ on Steam, and far, far more on 3DS and Vita, all at a $40-$50 pricepoint. Steam takes 30%, and we can assume that retail would take roughly the same amount. So 30 bucks of profit a pop.
ZTD 3DS had 32k preorders in the US alone. Vita probably had a fifth of that, since there's five times as many 3DS as Vitas. So, probably 6k-8k
Trail sales for the next couple years (esp. with 999 and VLR being ported) would probably be around 1.5x+ what we had now (esp. since we're still in the first week).
That comes down to 2.2 million buckaroos. Given the (mostly) reused OST, animation/clipping issues, bugs, rushed puzzles (not anywhere near as much variation as in VLR/999, lotta repetitive 'fit x in y or 'rotate this' puzzles), rushed ending, plot threads hanging everywhere (Kyle/?), contradictory characterization and so forth, it's probable that most of the budget was spent on seiyuu, even if they were mostly fairly cheap ones except for best girl (Miyuki Sawashiro).
They spent probably something like 200k on seiyuu, 100k on outsourcing (most of the) pazurus, and the rest on programming, and the rest on an engine Windows port, art, coding, and writing. Mostly coding.
Basically 1.5 mil in pure profit. Still, Danganronpa is more popular globally, so there's an opportunity cost to devote their resources in this direction.
>>343612167
See, Akane shutting off the lights makes no sense. If Carlos had done it it would have been somewhat reasonable. In a regular chainsaw vs ax fight, the chainsaw user has the advantage. But by shutting off the lights, Akane had no way to track him, but he could still hear her chainsaw and run away/towards her.
>>343611734
>mira
>emotional
kek
>>343611734
>junpei "lets kill them before they kill us" tenmyouji
>emotional
>>343609685
there's 3 answers.
>>343612262
>literally pulling number out of the ass : the post
>>343611734
I wish Akane's characterization had actually followed this chart.
>>343612298
Jesus christ really
>>343611880
does she ever call him jumpy in ZTD? Is she ever called june? it's a better name for her, seeing as she looks white as hell.
>dude switch on the monty hall problem lmao, you have a better chance of winning
>my first choice was right
fuck you /v/
Who the hell killed chopped Jumpy? How the hell did a 1000 year old grandpa strangled a serial killer? Why do characters mention things that are never talked about again?
Why is this game missing so many explanations?
>>343612469
Nope, I was waiting the entire game for one single mention of either Jumpy or Kanny. They don't call each other anything then Junpei and Akane
Oh shit I just realized something thats probably super obvious and everyone probably already knew about.
Someone last thread pointed outThe reason its the Decision game and not the Nonary game is because there are 10 players. Thus 10 -> DeciBy that same line of logic. The reason it is the X door instead of the 9 door is because X=10
>>343612297
the chainsaw doesn't have an advantage you fucking idiot.Chainsaws are not weapons. they are too slow to swing and take too much time to recover and are dangerous to the user.
>>343612501
Even the game tells you it's all random chance but you have higher odds in switching.
>>343612501
It's still a game left up to chance. You don't automatically win by switching, it just ups the odds.
>>343612469
I don't recall seeing June or Jumpy, but one of her X-Passes was 6, which wasnother number in 999
>>343612469
>>343612548
They themselves don't use those names, but Jump and June are some of the X-Passes for them,
>>343612548
Seriously I think the only time they had any cute banter like 999 was in the first puzzle room.
>>343611208
It was bloody hilarious seeing Uchikoshi get called out on his tweet at AX.
>This is an all ages panel.
>>343612501
>get to monty hall
>switch
>its not there
>dont switch
>its not there
>repeat 4 times
>still not there
I seriously thought for a moment I had to get a mask in an alternate timeline because that was some bullshit.
>>343612670
Sounds prettyunfair
>>343610853
DELETE THIS
SHE IS P U R E
>>343612390
Vgchartz has the number of 3DS sales, and Steamspy gives you an estimate on Steam sales. Steam does indeed take a 30% cut, and it does indeed cost 40~ bucks. Retail takes roughly the same as Steam does, since Steam demands fairly high cuts since they can afford to.
>>343612545
>Who the hell killed chopped Jumpy
Zero literally said it was Mira, pay attention.
>How the hell did a 1000 year old grandpa strangled a serial killer?
He has psychic powers, purple eyes that probably means alien shit, and was probably a Nazi, idk.
>Why do characters mention things that are never talked about again?
That's a fair point, it does feel like there's a bunch of exposition missing.
>>343612576
Anything can be used as a fucking weapon. A chair is a weapon. A stick is a weapon. A shoe is a weapon. If Akane actually had any muscle somewhere beside her ass, she could have stopped Carlos with one swing.
>>343612775
Good job ignoring all the other numbers you made up
the quality of these thread went down fucking fast after the game came out
didn't help when this is australian hour
>>343612656
anybody have the tweet?
>>343611880
>>343612058
>c team SHIFTing to the timeline where they get obliterated by gatling guns and shielding akane with their lifeless corpses as they SHIFT out
Lmfao
>>343612548
Those names were made up for the US version.
Reminder that the Nazis had alien technology and are definitely ruling the world in another timeline if they ever figured out how to use it.
>>343612545
>Who the hell killed chopped Jumpy?
Mira, it's literally explained, she gets to roam free while the others are knocked out.
>How the hell did a 1000 year old grandpa strangled a serial killer?
M I N D H A C K
>Why do characters mention things that are never talked about again?
>Why is this game missing so many explanations?
because uchi is a hack
>>343609865
she remind me about the robot girl from the second game for some reason.
>>343612640
June is one of Akane's X-passes
>>343612906
The series became shockingly popular, which means lowered quality. I mean, look how fast these threads are going, I still don't believe it. The quality might increase once things slow down.
>people asking how come there are still things still don't get explained
life is unfair, faggots
Well?
>>343611734
>sociopath whose entire background revolves around the fact she literally does not understand emotions
>emotional
Is he fucking retarded? Not a single thing on this chart makes any sense at all.
>>343612545
Every unexplained death is just "Mira because I exempted her from drugs :^)"
Why? It was probably just to increase the espers survival instincts like the Piranha in the Koi Tank scenario.But its still stupid.
>>343613092
Is there a gif or webm of diana pushing it and the aftermath?
>>343613025
Luna was modeled after her. They tell you why in the game.
>>343613105
She doesn't understand emotions, but she acts on impulse and emotion (her need to feel hearts).
>>343611734
Here's the one he put up right AFTER I posted this one.
>>343612840
Chainsaws are not proper weapons.Then again neither is a wood chopping axe, but it's much better than a chainsaw.
You have no understanding of hema. muscle has nothing to do with something being too heavy or improperly balanced to use with any dexterity.
an axe is more dangerous. It doesn't take much to kill or incapacitate someone, the chainsaw is intimidating but not very useful.
it wouldn't be able to chop of a hand cleanly like a fucking sword either as the whole point is it eats with the teeth.
>>343612548
Jumpy was just the localization of Junpei-kun. Akane calls him Junpei-kun if you play weeb mode.
Smilarly Kanny comes from Akane-chan, but Junpei is too grown up to use such childish honorifics.
>>343613039
Guess I'm just retarded, thanks.
Remind me again why this weebshit is so hyped here?
>>343613043
>47 IPs
>page 6 on steam top sellers already
>shockingly popular
>>343613043
it's not popular it's the same 100 people in all the threads.
>Damnit junpei if this doesn't work i'm killing you
Oh Carlos you've all already killed each other :^)
>>343610006
God tier: VLR
High tier: ZTD
Mediocre tier: 999
>>343609586
So is this game worth buying? $39.99 seems like a steep price for this type of game.
>>343613043
not a single one of these threads gets above ~100 IPs, popular my ass
>>343613168
Ah, I see. I think she have the same japanese VA too.
I didn't care for q and d team endings.
>>343610439
Because he sent her to 1904?
>>343613341
Pretty much only if you've played 999 and/or VLR.
The less you have played, the less you should pay.
>>343612656
Did somebody record the whole thing? Didn't get to go because the room was filled up.
Will Qbeing an old man in a wheelchair who is with you the entire timehave as much evidence and make as much sense on a replay as Sigmabeing olddid in VLR?
The whole thing about a terrorist causingMUH 8 BILLIONis the most retarded thing ever.
Even if we assume Delta isn't making shit up and he has actual knowledge of it happening (probably from some SHIFTer), we're supposed to believe that it will happen in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BRANCH originating from this timeline without his intervention? There could literally be a stupid snail causing the terrorist's car to crash and killing him in the process, saving humanity. No we need to make 7 SHIFTers take the future into their own hands. Is this DanganRonpa?
>>343613341
you need to play VLR. 999 is less important.
You can play VLR before 999 but you really need to play 999, it makes the game more of a mindfuck playing VLR first.
honestly you can start with any game bu ZTD
>>343613523
There's little hints, but it's not as well integrated as the Sigma twist, IMO.
>>343613523
Barely. Only like two or three lines that you see again and go "ohhhh", and at the same time there are parts that make no sense at all with that in mind.
>>343613287
>>343613305
I want you guys to check the fucking archive and see how popular the threads were before. Barely any of them reached the post limit, unlike now.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Zero%20Time%20Dilemma/type/op/order/asc/
Change the search terms, it doesn't matter, Zero Escape is way more popular now than it was before.
>>343613409
I like how young Phi was raised by old Phi. You think old Phi was bitchy too?
So, 999 HD was announced exactly for what platforms?
>>343613513
I'm pretty sure there were cameras so they should be posting it sometime.
There was a thread where I posted what was going on as it happened. Not much to talk about since he was mostly showing off his slides and only took a few questions at the end.
>>343613578
I think Uchikoshi has been hanging out too much with DR's creator. Have you seen the DR3 anime plot? Seems like they've influenced each other a little too much, Uchikoshi in the wrong direction.
>>343613136
>>343609956
for the Q one with 4 paths the one you're missing isno one
>>343612084
He was pretty optimistic in his future with Mira. In his escape end, he was pretty happy living with her until she got bored and killed him
> Never get to see the consequences of shifting directly by watching completely confused teams wondering what the fuck is going on before utter annihilation.
>>343610259
Kyle at least gets acknowledged by a dying Sigma who says his name in a fragment.
Still a disappointment though.
>>343613638
of course people didn't want spoilers. The community is small but dedicated. The game probably won't sell more than 100,000 copies in it's life time.
>>343612921
Pic related
>>343613645
None but the video they showed had only one screen with an "ADV Screen" button. Most likely PC but maybe Vita and possibly 3DS.
>>343613432
>>343613581
so wtf is wrong with these guys releasing this game first if the previous ones are integral to the story? guess i'll just wait for them to release the previous games before getting this one.
so wait, what was Diana's reasoning for knocking out Phi and escaping at the end of Apocalypse ending? At the time she only knew that doing so would be the death of 6 billion people, right?
>>343613578
It's a pointless endeavor, really. Especially after touting the many worlds theory so much. But I guess they need to feel like they have all this control over this thing that may happen.
>>343613523
It has way more foreshadowing than Sigma's twist.
Even Q's X-passes point to the twist.
>>343613645
PC and implied for Vita.
>>343613754
I was really surprised that never fucking happened. They suddenly bring up the morality of SHIFTing when it previously wasn't a problem at all, and then never capitalize on it beyond an entire cutscene about Back to the Future.
>>343612548
> Lack of Ben Bateman.
>>343613797
But Phi is a D cup. So his dick is even bigger than that.
>>343613194
that's pretty cringy
he has not learned the ways of kek
>>343613754
This is something I wouldve liked to see. Like after winning the coin toss and leaving you're suddenly in the lounge and the entire facility blows up.
>>343613824
The previous games have been out for years masterdisgrace.
>>343613523
There are lots of hints, but they're kinda weak. The entire twist was really lame and completely failed to live up to loli screen or muh face.
>>343613824
I meant that for $40, it wouldn't be worth it to play if you've never played the previous games.
It's like MGSV where you can play it and go through it but you won't really connect as quickly or as deeply with the characters unless you know the lore.
>releasing this game first
The other games have been out for years and they were on a tight budget.
>>343613941
He only recently learned what memes are, let's cut him some slack.
>>343613941
Mira being emotional is pretty funny. As is Carlos as liberal when he is a caricature of american patriotic conservatism.
>>343614018
What the fuck are you talking about, who's teaching him about memes? Stop it, stop it before you ruin this man.
>>343613523
I seriously doubt it. Him being there the entire time but never being shown is one of the biggest asspulls ever.
>>343614087
His twitter asked what memes were. It was cute.
>>343613826
Muh kindness. She can't sacrifice an individual for the greater good.
>>343613824
Steam release was an afterthought after much begging.
>>343614018meme-o-genetic field confirmed for next game
>>343613578
There are infinitely as many timelines the terrorist launched an attack as there are where he didn't, just like how there are infinitely many timelines where Brother released Rad-6
>>343614145
Some anon in previous threads compiled a list of like 30+ entries with foreshadowing about the twist.
Old Sigma was much more of an asspull, though I was surprised by both twists.
>You will never be so loved that your soulmate makes a replica of you that amplifies your strengths and removes your flaws
>>343614210
It's because it's her daughter dingus.
>she doesn't know!
she does deep down inside, as does phi with sigma and her electra complex. They are irrationally loving and bonded to each other when they really don't know each other well.
>>343612984
*uchi is a mind hack
>>343614183
The Japs should never learn our Western memes, it never ends well
I really enjoyed my time with the game. Totally satisfied? Nope, but this is a better package than VLR, interestingly enough.
999 is one of the best self-contained stories in the medium, only marred by its lack of quality-of-life improvement that VLR and ZTD have (an accessible timeline + skippable dialogue). VLR is built on promise of something more. I didn't like the shitty poses. ZTD isn't that much better, but it has camera angles. Even Eric's static smile is explained. 100x better than Clover in VLR.
I'm not totally satisfied. Why aliens? Why not even fucking question anything about aliens? Why not fucking question Mira? But what we got, on pretty much a shoestring budget, that we didn't think we'd get, is great. I have ~20 hours and I enjoyed all of it.
But seriously... Alice? Who actually made radical-6? Why the fuck was Left in a fucking lion tamer suit? what the fuck
How did Carlos know to send Gabletter 4 (pic) when his consciousness at the time had no interaction with Q team or the pod room?
Most stupid little details get explained as you go through more fragments, but I'm near the end of the game and this sticks out to me as something that makes no sense
>>343614334
Time lines have to be created though decisions. There is the possibility of infinite timelines, as is stands there is no reality where no one died. The goal of the games is to create it,
>>343614439
I have no idea what you're talking about
>>343614348
Can somone post this?
>>343614484
that doesn't even look like carlos' handwriting, you sperg.
>>343614356
>all your perfect imperfections
>love keeps no record of wrongs etc
Sigma tried to replicate her as best he could, he wanted the flaws, but probably loved her so much he had rose tinted glasses.
>>343614439
>
>>343614348
I'm not saying there wasn't foreshadowing, but you could never explain why he was never fucking shown once and only referenced.
Maybe it would've been better if they didn't use fully rendered scenes.
>>343614524
Here you go
>>343612545
>Who the hell killed chopped Jumpy? How the hell did a 1000 year old grandpa strangled a serial killer?
Mira, Mind control.
>Why do characters mention things that are never talked about again?
You mean the parasites and stuff like that? Red herrings and interesting trivia like the previous games had.
>Why is this game missing so many explanations?
Most things that needed to be explained are explained though. I guess the terrorist or the transporter could be better explained, but they're not really needed to. And the biggest unexplained thing is left from VLR, we don't know where Kyle is.
>>343614390
>she does deep down inside
epic
>>343614462
The fact that your main problem with VLR is the graphics shows how much of a pleb you are.
The camera angles were bad in ZTD because it makes the twist that you are looking though Qs point of view even more unbelievable.
>>343614484
collective morphogenetic field
Where can i read the prologue?
>>343614760
Actually, the twist makes even more sense with he angles, because it meant that you were looking through the security cameras.
>>343614653
>imgur.com/a/44wYR
ok that's pretty cool
>>343614731
Then she was mind hacked and couldn't do it because delta wouldn't let her as that would mean muh 8 billion. fuck off.
>>343614486
You don't need a game for that. A simple decision made by the terrorist could cause him to die. You're telling me that will never happen in any timeline?
>>343614883
Not for Q team. The shooting delta scene confirms you are looking though his pov.
>>343614893
yeah it was set up well, it;s just a pretty pointless twist that adds nothing to the plot.
>>343615013
He can still use the glasses to see through the cameras when he's with Q team.
>>343614730
>the terrorist doesn't need to be better explained
>the thing that directly caused ZTD and indirectly VLR doesn't need to be explained
Get out, apologist.
>>343615013
Isn't it both?
Cameras for some scenes, through the cameras for the others?
>>343614760
The facial expressions in VLR (especially Clover) were awful. At least there was some reasoning behind Eric and Mira in this game.
You're a fucking retard for thinking top-down views are from Delta's POV.
>>343615112
I meant his eyes for some scenes.
>>343615095
>>343615112
Why is he hiding from the cameras?
>>343615013
>>343615095
>>343615112
Do the high angle shots conflict with the idea of him being present in the room, though, or are they more careful than that?
>>343615013
>The shooting delta scene confirms you are looking though his pov.
Not every scene tho.
>>343615108
>apologist
How so, because I disagree with you?
We know enough about the terrorist, at least I didn't feel the need to know more. I would've liked more closure about he issue instead.
>>343615005
They don't know, the ability to make decisions doesn't mean you will make them. It's the idea that even if you were to go back if you don't retain any new knowledge history would not change because free will is an illusion and you will always make the same decision if you have the same knowledge in that same environment.
>>343614653
number 27 actually fucked me up
when can i get off this ride?
>>343615206
He's not hiding, you see, he is really shy and has an inferiorityCOMPLEX
>>343615005
The terrorist is an esper, shifter, mind hacker and all around careful guy. There is literally no timeline where he fails because of mere bad luck, he has to be physically stopped by 9 people filled with the desire to change fate. Coming summer 2021, ZE4 (pls buy ZTD).
>Phi 5 minutes earlier
SIGMA THINK ABOUT HOW DIANA WOULD FEEL IF YOU HAD HER SHOOT YOU
>After Sigma dies
DIANA YOU MURDERER, MURDERER!
>>343610707
Is there a link, Anon?
so, what are everyone's thoughts on the overall game?
I've been seeing a lot of complaints today but honestly I'm really happy the thing just came out. I think it had a bunch of twists I liked and a couple I wasn't fully satisfied with, but nothing I was unhappy about. You can definitely feel the budget on this one, far more than VLR or 999 with the absolutely horrendous animations and limited lip sync. Lots of good music and top-tier atmosphere. Also liked the general setup of the plot and the facility.
Overall I think it's the 3rd best and a pretty good conclusion to the series, but 999 will always be my favorite.
>>343615393
Would've been funny if Diana tried to shoot herself with a blank.
>>343615393
Yes the point is that she is bargaining to die instead of risking sigma dying and then it goes to anger. stages of grief.
Guys can someone do an typical example of a 999 puzzle, a vlr puzzle and a ztd puzzle?
>>343615393
panic fucks with your brain.
>>343615393
>I ONLY TRIED TO THROW YOU OUT OF THE WAY SO I CAN PUSH THE BUTTON
>I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PUSHED IT
it's almost like extreme stress can make you seem unreasonable and defensive
>>343613523
sharin no kuni did it way better
>>343615496
A point blank blank will still kill you.
>>343615303
We are already off the ride. It's over.
>>343615457
Really good, I'm very satisfied with its place in the trilogy, storywise.
The budget limitations were evident, but I'm just so glad we could see the final piece.
>>343615510
999 puzzle
>more akin to a point'n'click adventure game
>some math skills necessary
>occasional pixel hunting
>repeat puzzle room 10x to get to all endings
VLR puzzle
>more or less a collection of individual puzzles that are themed in a way
>usually to get a room to activate and reveal something about the facility
>skippable
ZTD puzzle
>pretty much the same as VLR.
>>343615550
>999 remaster
Not yet, Junpei! It's not over yet!
>>343615457
It was very fun, but a terrible conclusion. Story is filled with unbelievable aspects and many twists are arbitrary and sweeps way too much under the rug/characters are not expanded upon enough and the puzzles are a step down from VLR. Weakest in the series but still a great game.
The main thing is the game was a wild ride, It doesn't hold up to a thorough critique, but it can be so cheesy it almost seems self-aware of it.
>>343615457
Lip sync is less shit if you play it with Jap voices, though it's still very primitive.
>>343615457
I agree with most of what you said. I think it works better than VLR as a package, though. Budget is definitely felt, and maybe because I knew that coming in (and not with VLR) I'm more sympathetic toward it.
I beat it in ~20 hours. I had a great time. I'm showing my buddy it too after trying fucking explain the entire plot which is absolutely fucking crazy when trying to tldr... and he's actually enjoying it. I love how it came out on windows. The first game I played in this series without a single spoiler.
So when Carlos and Junpei were about to have a successful AB game, why did Akane feel the need to blow up everyone in the facility just to demonstrate SHIFT?
Is there some extra reason or is she just retarded?
>>343615762
She is retarded.
>>343615762
Akane's thirst for blood is her best quality, Anon.
>>343615762
I think they were trying to get to a timeline where no one died. The successful AB game wasn't important to her because of that.
>>343615457
>>343615718
>It was very fun, but a terrible conclusion
Pretty much my opinion too. As a game, it's good. As a Zero Escape entry, it's still good. But as a conclusion to the series, it's bad.
>>343615293
This conflicts with the final decision of the game, whether toSHIFTor not toSHIFT. Both decisions are made in-game with the same knowledge in the same environment.
>>343615457
After I finished it, I definitely didn't feel even half the impact of 999's True Ending.
I am probably one of the few who didn't care for the FtS/Left stuff so that didn't bother me, but completely dropping Kyle after he got hyped up felt pretty bad.
However, I still did enjoy the ride to the end much more than VLR and about as much as 999
>>343615457
Disappointed, but probably due to the cliffhanger in VLR and overhype since ZTD was announced.
My biggest complain is the consciousness swapping, it's fucked up and would create a ton of problems but no one seems to care.
>>343615717
I honestly fucking laughed. I was doing a ton of sudoku when I finally ended up playing 999.
Considering that, and how I did the correct path first in 999+VLR, I'm probs a SHIFTer.
>>343615760
>The first game I played in this series without a single spoiler.
same, just beat it yesterday. I picked up 999 on my own after briefly hearing about it on /v/ and through a couple game sites. Fucking fell in love with it and beat it over a couple nights before bed. Immediately bought VLR and had it fucking spoiled for me on /v/.
>>343615457
I finished it in 4 sittings so it at least managed to be consistently exciting and it had some top tier moments, but it's easily my least favorite and the more I think about it and discuss it, the worse the aftertaste gets.
>>343615762
how else were all their lives going to be in-danger?
>>343615871
I didn't think it was a bad conclusion at all. I don't know why everyone is saying it is.
>>343615717
>think back on this post
>everyone buys 999 remaster
>they remaster VLR to fix the fucking animations and retarded transitions
>everyone buys VLR remaster
>they remaster ZTD so it the animations aren't too shit
Ooooh boy
>>343615876
The player makes the decisions and has the knowledge.
>>343616086
>they remaster VLR to fix the fucking animations and retarded transitions
but anon, that would require somewhat of a budget
>>343616086
>tfw I find ZTD's animations charming on their own way
>>343616086
>baseball cap faggot was in every single picture
Fuck this guy
The Junpei doll had his heart in half and this nigga blocked it.
>>343615949
haha pretty much the same. The spoilers I heard were about Zero's identity in both and what Luna was.
VLR spoilers were my own fault because I made a 999 thread just after beating it and someone just had a list of VLR spoilers as the 2nd response.
The game story is honestly best when you consider the VLR lead up endings canon. Like an infinite loop. It's not happy but it wraps up the best.
>>343616129
Don't add the player to the equation. That whole concept was dropped, it's not part of the story.
And even if you insist that the player did it:
What about that one time whereDiana has a 50/50 chance of killing Sigma. Same knowledge, same environment, same player decision, BUT: different timelines
>>343616220
>VLR spoilers were my own fault because I made a 999 thread just after beating it and someone just had a list of VLR spoilers as the 2nd response.
Was that the one where they posted a picture with THE spoiler of the game?
I might have been in that thread.
>>343616223
Yeah those D and C ends were my favorite parts because I was really impressed at how Uchikoshi could link them into VLR (Diana's call seemingly contradicting the amount of alive characters in VLR) without doing anything too dumb
>>343616083
It's being received well. The only reason people are saying otherwise is because it doesn't scratch every itch.
>>343616342
>That whole concept was dropped, it's not part of the story.
Nope, though Zero would sometimes alter the decisions people made, he was dead in several timelines when you still had decisions to make. Player input is valid.
>>343616014
>>343616305
Why is she so ambivalent about destroying herself and the other participants at first, then starts yelling when Junpei plans to get himself and Carlos gunned?
Plus, she manages to SHIFT after the shooting stops, how much danger does she actually need?
I think it's down to her being fucking crazy, applying logic doesn't work.
>>343616485
nothing else matters when you lose the one you care about....
THE MOST
