http://www.dsogaming.com/news/report-total-war-warhammer-runs-27-slower-dx12-nvidias-hardware/
>Creative Assembly has just released the DX12 patch for Total War: WARHAMMER. And while the game’s DX12 renderer is still in beta stage, it appears that there are no benefits at all for NVIDIA users. In fact, the DX12 renderer for Total War: WARHAMMER comes with a significant performance hit on NVIDIA’s hardware, something that undoubtedly surprised us.
>As we can see, there is a 26fps performance difference between DX11 and DX12. What’s really surprising here is that DX11 runs way, way, way better than DX12 on NVIDIA’s hardware (DX11 performance is on the left, whereas DX12 performance is on the right).
Fuck that sounds like bad news. DX12 is going to be a major thing in upcoming games too. Should I go AMD?
>>343578574
>DX12 is going to be a major thing in upcoming games too
They won't stop supporting DX11 for a while.
You can wait.
>>343578574
Only a fool wouldn't
lmao @ the retards saying to get a 3.5 gb 970 so they can take you down with them
Even the 1000 series doesn't support async compute
You're on Nvidia territory, OP.
>>343578574
Hasn't someone benched all cards in dx11 vs dx12?
Hate to say I told ya so.
Will AMD be able to edge out against nvidia thanks to Microsoft, or will nvidia phase out DX12 in favor of... Whatever api works best for them. Its an api and GPU war now, and both seem to be evenly matched.
>>343578574
>Sega okays some shitty RTS dev to spend money developing and releasing a new renderer
>but Sega will never put any of their own games on PC
What the fuck is Sega's problem? Are they run by Sonyggers or something?
>>343580187
it will always be dx. if you think otherwise you would be wrong. amd developed the technology they used in dx12 as well. nvidia's been shitting on all of its business partners every chance they get and its a pretty small fraternity. its why Intel is partnering with amd and windows is pushing their tech with a free windows update.
>>343580187
i dont think anyone wants dx12 and being forced to stay on windows. Vulkan needs to get more support
>>343580187
nVidia is banking on Vulkan right now and we're about to see a bunch of games update with Vulkan in the next month or so.
What I'd like to know is why AMD denied allowing benchmarks to be done on Vulkan demos, and specifically restricting them to DX12.
>Nvidia doesn't run dx12 as well as nvidia claims, thank you inept devs and your shitty spaghetti poo code
>AMD will melt your mobo because it doesn't run like it claims, either, thank you inept engineers to making hardware that demands too much wattage/amperage through a hole not designed for so much burning hot power
>>343580187
I had that same thought all along. Remains to be seen. MS is already stepping it up by putting games like forza apex as "demos" to gauge how to build games for pc. The others just were rushed to market.
Amd bet big on making mantle open source so vulkan and dx12 resulted from it. MS will force their console to use dx12 as well. I can see this ending badly for nvidia if the 1000 series doesn't support shit like async compute. At best they can desperately try to bribe devs to keep suing dx11 but MS has far more cash to counter.
>>343580564
>first time in decades where the api actually give a significant performance boost.
>for the first time in history dx12 will be dropped.
>because nobody uses windows anymore.
nvidiots everyone.
>>343580627
>amd melt mobos
Nice try but past nvidia branded cards had that issue as well and nothing came of it. The aftermarket cards will have better coolers and 8 pin connectors either way in a few weeks.
Though keep trying to push your meme. It's all you have.
>>343580587
Because AMD cut a deal with Microsoft for DX12, perhaps? There's an abundance of poo in loos in both companies and you know how the same Indian caste always like to stick together.
Why is there such a huge push for all these new APIs and these new, powerful cards? I thought the PC market was irrelevant, and console sales generated far more revenue, hence why bad and/or delayed ports exist, let alone the lack of Jap games.
>>343580995
What nVidia card was released and wasn't PCI-E compliant with the power draw restrictions?
what the point bring down nvidia dx11 performance to match with amd dx12.
>>343580587
Isn't Vulkan based on Mantle ergo AMD's thing?
>>343580995
You forgot the driver fix they're going to push out by next week. Sucks to be an early adopter, this is why you never, ever buy reference, it's not worth it.
>>343581050
>cut a deal.
nigger amd is is open source MS just used the tech because it significantly makes games run better on all hardware except nvidia. that includes cpu's.
How can you run 27% slower than not running at all?
V U L K A N
U
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K
A
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amd win kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
>>343581181
It is, but Vulkan is open source. And speaking of open source, Nvidia is better on Linux than AMD.
>>343581181
yes it is. mantle is made with gimping amd with thier own tech. its what nvidia is good at. gimping shit.
>>343581181
It is. But AMD is specifically avoiding allowing benchmarks to be done on it. There isn't a public Vulkan demo out there to test, so I'd really just like to know why they're not allowing anyone to do a private benchmark. Whenever asked, their marketers deflect it and just talk up DX12.
In in the middle of things. I will buy what is the best for me, but both companies are hiding things in the closet when it comes to these APIs. Vulkan -should- be very close to Mantle, thus AMD should be comfortable doing demos like nVidia is doing.
One is avoiding DX12. One is avoiding Vulkan.
>>343578574
Creative Assembly have made one (1) well optimised game and it's not Warhammer
>>343581212
Then why does AMD suck on Linux? The open source drivers haven't caught up to Nvidia.
>>343580587
>and we're about to see a bunch of games update with Vulkan in the next month or so.
Next month? Sorry but nvidia can't moneyhat and outbid MS here like with gameworks
>>343578574
AMD shills movingthe goalposts I see.
>>343581325
you are fucking retarded you know that right? nvidia takes amds open source tech makes mantle to try and make amd irelevant. nvidiots suck it up like coolaid. when are you going to realize how shitty that company is for computer gaming?
>>343581484
because its open source and most people own nvidia thats why. more people helping the development better results.
Just upgrade.
>>343581558
>star citizen
kek
>>343581569
>nvidia takes amds open source tech makes mantle to try and make amd irelevant.
You're retarded. One, AMD made mantle. From mantle we got Vulkan, which is open source, and DX12, which is Microsoft's. And two, Nvidia did not make mantle, AMD made mantle. AMD is butt buddies with Microsoft right now which is why they're pushing hard with DX12 and not Vulkan. Don't forget that AMD CPUs in the future will also be Windows 10 only for Microsoft OS installs, so yes they cut a deal.
>It runs slower(...)
It just gets worse each time
>(...)on Nvidia
Oh, why should anyone care then? Nvidia buyers will just shell out another 1k or so to make that computer run 27% faster.
>>343580187
>Nvidia outspending Microsoft
lol no
Vulkan will be another OpenGL that nobody uses.
>>343581558
Deus Ex and ReCore are the only interesting games in that list.
>>343581867
they are butt buddies with MS because they know how to work with other companies plain and simple. Nvidia will throw anyone under the bus at a moments notice. just look at how they treat their nvidia sponsored partners. they have consistently pissed of and burned bridges with every company they work with.
>>343582016
Not if Nvidia really pushes it hard. It might actually make Linux see a desktop userbase growth past 2% if they support Vulkan.
>>343579990
>Hate to say I told ya so.
First off, no you don't. Secondly, there's no "told you so" about it. The way DX12 physically works teases lots more power from Radeon architectures. AMD was only able to do through Mantle after seeing what was "wrong" with their cards. It just so happens that the threading model DX12 uses seems to be based off of Mantle.
GTX cards are already working with all pistons firing so there's no more power that can be gotten from them. What's more, they don't even have the ability to utilize a new key feature that can only be done with Radeon cards due to their prohibitive architectures. Of course DX12 will run better. It's not a secret.
>>343581558
you should know that quantum break and hitman got bad rep because of bad performance.
>>343578574
>DX12 doesn't actually work or do anything
>>343581181
Yea but if it's nvidia they're always up to something
I read up on the apis and it seems the devs have more control with dx12/vulkan
Meaning nvidia can't do much to sabotage shit like with gameworks. I can see why they would lean to an open source vulkan to likely try to moneyhat devs into accepting their code to fuck with amd
Course they can't fuck with MS so...
i just want directx to die or go open source so we can get games ported to more operating systems and then people dont have to use windows only if they want to play the majority of PC games
>>343582125
I'm not denying that Nvidia have tyrannical business practices. I'm saying that Nvidia has no choice but to back Vulkan now despite their lack of async compute since DX12 is an AMD deal.
>>343582276
Dolphin emulator has seen significant perf gains using dx12 backend. Vulkan backend is in the works.
>>343582227
nice try at sounding like you know the first thing about how computers work. there has been a need for an updated api since multiple cores became a thing. it makes use of the multiple cores more efficiently for the cpu and the gpu's. its an improvement for all computers not just computers with nvidia cards. this is the difference between amd and nvidia.
>>343582183
>Not if Nvidia really pushes it hard
kek MS has more money to push it harder what don't you get? If there's one thing they're always adamant about it's getting their apis and software as the most used.
Just look at this list of shit
>>343581558
What's nvidia pushing? doom?
>Vulkan will fix it
Please save us
>>343578574
>another reason to not install w10
Do i need another?
Well, thanks.
Did they release the package yet, or is DX12 still just something the hardware and techies can play around with?
>>343582832
it improves cpu performance as well though. no matter if you have an amd chip or an intel one. it literally is good for the whole of pc. the way it should be.
>>343582791
>nice try at sounding like you know the first thing about how computers work
>[that wrong and backwards post]
>pulled the opposite inference of the point that was being made
Back you go.
>>343581286
how can you not see the 1070 and 1080 sutting all over the place? regardless of frame rate, the gtx are stuttering and the amd is smooth
>>343582984
the difference is I know what I'm talking about and you are just blindly defending nvidia like a fanboy. the rest of that post doesn't make any sense.
>Dat feel when upgrading to win10 fixed my CPU bottleneck in W3 and GTA5
I don't get it but I don't really have a choice
>>343583108
I was defending AMD you blathering goon. How did you even draw conclusion?
>>343580370
because sanic autism is cancer.
>>343582974
>cpu being relevant since the 2500k
My hand can count how many games actually take advantage of a better cpu.
Pic related is the example, but its mostly because its optimized to shit.
No shit.
>>343583179
its because dx12 is the first api in a long time that actually improves performace for pc's. it helps with cpu's and gpu's.
>>343583108
How can you possibly be this stupid?
>>343583202
what the fuck are you talking about then. I was clearly talking about dx12 and mantle.
>>343581451
wrong
>>343583313
DX11 was an enormous improvement. So was DX10 for that matter. And DX9, now that I'm recalling. What are you talking about?
>>343583303
>but I-I dont want better performance anon.
you play too many fps's then.
>>343583389
Can't wait until Trump gets rid of guys.
>>343583468
>dx11 was an enormous improvement.
bullshit.
>>343583487
I do, thats why i have a 4790k at 4.6ghz wich is more than enough, but its because of this piece of shit game, not because any other game.
The rest of the games i play they use less than 30% of the cpu and like 40%-60% of the gpu wich way more important.
>>343583592
see
>>343582832
>>343583270
I was talking about Yakuza, Miku, and that new Valkyria game. Say what you want about the others, but Yakuza is a legitimately great franchise. And the move they did with VC, saying that VC sold well on PC and then turning around to make a PS4 exclusive sequel is just scummy. Miku has lolcontracts tied to it, apparently some idols can just say "no peesee" and deny themselves an entire market.
>>343583468
>>343583313
But W3 and GTA5 don't even use dx12 yet I've noticed a 20% drop in CPU usage and even when I reach 90% load on all cores it doesn't stutter unlike on Win7. Literally tested it with dual boot few hours ago. Wonder if it was some stupid power saving feature that comes with Samsung Magican.
>>343583592
Seriously what are you talking about though?
>>343583874
Were you running Aero™ mode?
>>343583901
>dat graph.
dx api upgrades a have been visual improvement api's for a long time now.
>>343583835
>pleb doesn't want better multithreading because older real i7s will BTFO of his hyperthreaded i5
>>343583179
>>343583313
Witcher 3 and GTV 5 doesn't use directx12.
Witcher 3 actually have very little CPU dependencies if you have like 4 cores.
>>343584046
Ye but Win10 also has Aero doesn't it
>>343581286
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/total_war_warhammer_directx_12_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
Why does the R9 280x have 0 fps?
It's my card.
>>343584145
and?
>>343584151
No? Aero is a visual option for W7 that makes it prettier. Makes the windows see-through and gives some 3D usage options. It was also a bit of a system hog.
>>343578574
>actually caring about RTS games
You're that same faggot that thinks Asses of the Singularity is a good hardware benchmark, aren't you?
>>343584184
Problems with the game's internal benchmark.
>>343584452
normies get out!
REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
>>343584410
I'm pretty sure Win10 still has transparent windows. Also if anything ppl were reporting high cpu usage in w10, for me it's a godsend.
>>343584115
Does the games do it apart from space engineers?
Tell me a game that will use the 100% of my computer.
Does the devs even care?
They just port a console version, and thats it.
>>343584452
Just play overwatch dear.
>>343584660
Using it right now, anon.
>>343581078
>PC market irrelevant
Nigga you high? PC isn't getting smaller, and the console marketing these days is encouraging people to switch to PC. I love my PS4 but this shit is getting silly.
Consoles USED to mean
>Plug and play
>All on the disc, no updates
>No OS updates
>Games didn't crash/freeze very often
>Buy once, good for 8+ years
Now days?
>Get game
>Install, just like PC
>Update it, just like PC
>Game has bugs, frame rate issues, crashes until post-launch patch. Just like PC.
>Oh your controller needs an update anon! (What the fuck?)
>Your store app needs to update! (Can't you cover this in a system update...?)
>You want to pay us a yearly fee to play your game right?
>Here are these 'sales' you paid to get access to anon!
>Our prices are still higher than PC
If PS4 didn't have some exclusives I wanted I would never have fucking bought one, Sony can go fuck themselves with this shit. Now they want us to buy ANOTHER fucking flop of a console that won't be able to run it's games in a year or less? Fuck that man.
PS4 - $400
2yrs PSN - $120
3 controllers - $180
PS4 Neo - $600 probably?
PSVR - $500 (Dont forget you need the $100 camera to use it)
PSMove controllers - $100 (They will be required for most titles)
So if I actually pick up a PS4 neo + VR I'll be in the hole to Sony $1900 in a 2 year span not counting games. Holy fuck people we need to wake up, console gaming is NOT cheaper.
>>343578574
We knew for a while that Nvidia can't into async and their GPUs are pure DX11. That's why the 970 is going to flood ebay within a year while the 390 and 480 will live long and plentiful lives.
>>343584904
>Nigga you high? PC isn't getting smaller, and the console marketing these days is encouraging people to switch to PC.
Explain bad ports. Explain delayed versions. Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
>>343585154
>Explain bad ports.
Plenty on the ps4. It's no different.
>Explain delayed versions
PS4 is getting tomb raider and dead rising 4 delayed. Sometimes you need to moneyhat devs to delay the superior version and pretend it's exclusive
>Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles
Same reason total war warhammer and civs are exclusive to pc. That and it's most jap games and not western where the pc isn't that big so sony can easily make deals with them.
>>343583901
>0
>0.5
>1
>1.5
>2
>2.5
>windows 8
wat
>>343584904
>PS4 Neo - $600 probably?
lol no, Sony isn't suicidal. It will be $500 max assuming they are feeling brave.
>mfw money ready
>waiting for aftermarket RX 480
>mfw have to even dodge these steam sales
it'll be worth the wait
>>343585154
>Explain bad ports
non existant these days
>Explain delayed versions
such as?
>. Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
aside from destiny and some weebshit I cant think of many other games that don't get ported at some point.
>>343585542
the steam sales are pure garbage this year it was easy for me. all those 20% off bullshits.
>>343585374
>Plenty on the ps4.
Name them.
>Sometimes you need to moneyhat devs
So it's all about money.
>Same reason total war warhammer and civs are exclusive to pc.
Profitability. Which is where consoles excel at, judging by how the Japanese refuse to go anywhere else but PlayStation.
>>343585563
>non existant these days
What is Arkham Knight? What is Black Ops 3? What is The Evil Within?
>such as?
Anything by Rockstar, anything Japanese.
>aside from destiny and some weebshit
Why are THOSE games exclusive, despite neither Sony nor MS paying them for exclusivity? Is it brand loyalty?
>>343585154
>bad ports
Read about watchdogs fiasco to find someone to blame (the devs)
>delayed versions
Devs are afraid of piracy, so they delay the PC version to have more profits from it taking advantage of impatients fucks
>Explain why games, without ANY funding from the console makers, are exclusive to consoles.
they gave them the tools to develop in it, and its sponsored, there is business in the middle.
All of this dosent have to do with the hardware.
If devs really cared, we could have a game better than pic in a ps2.
Finding and creating ways to use the hardware wisely.
But takes too much time and too much money to optimize the game to the best possible like they did in the later days of the ps2.
Mr goldstein wont have a silver dishes to eat, so no, silver dishes come first, so just call those fuckers from unreal and buy an licence to use its engine, and do the same for the rest, the cheaper win the contract, and steal the assets and shit from everyone who tried to participate.
>>343585563
>bad ports, non existent.
nigga whut?
>>343585154
>Bad ports
Companies have only ever been lazy on PC? Explain witcher 3 console frame rate. DaS2 ps3/360 was a disaster where the PC version was vastly superior. It's cherry picking, there are a lot of examples on both sides of the fence.
>Delayed versions
Sony and M$ pay an agreed amount for a set time for many games to remain exclusive. This is purely business. There is no main company making deals to lock content to PC, unless you want to talk about Oculus.
>Non-first party exclusives
Explain why there are PC exclusives. No one pays them to stay exclusive. This question is retarded, the developer either simply didn't want to put it on another platform or perhaps didn't have the manpower to do a multi-plat launch
NVIDIA SAID THEY WILL FIX DX12 ASYNC WITH DRIVER
>>343584145
i5s easily get to 90-100% usage in novigrad
Same in battlefield 4, I get 90-100% CPU usage on 2500k @ 4.4 and 70%~ usage on my 980. Still framerate like 70-100, but with i7 I would have locked 120 I bet.
Same in Crysis 3, 100% cpu usage on the grass levels.
>>343586040
nvidia says a bunch of bullshit. nice bait though.
>>343585519
So $1800 in 2 years is okay? Shouldn't you be out buying a new iphone 7.1S for $1500 to go with your macbook SUPER PRO LIGHT AIR to replace last years model?
>>343583874
Yep windows 10 uses the CPU better, I have noticed this too
Windows 7 u get near 100% usage it starts stuttering, on windows 10 it doesn't stutter
>>343585985
mainly its because the consoles didnt want them on their platform or they wouldnt translate well to controllers.
>>343586040
Nvidia said a year ago that their Kepler and Maxwell cards would fully support DX12.
They also said a Fermi update was on the way.
>>343585828
>What is Arkham Knight? What is Black Ops 3? What is The Evil Within?
they've all had patches that fixed everything and unity was also fixed
>Anything by Rockstar, anything Japanese.
gta 5 was ported and last I checked steam had a shitton of weeb games
>Why are THOSE games exclusive, despite neither Sony nor MS paying them for exclusivity? Is it brand loyalty?
destiny already milked everyone dry and PC fags are already playing warframe (which is just a free to play version of destiny)
>>343585881
you realize that its possible to patch a game right?
>>343583468
DX10 was a massive failure. It was used in a handful of games then DX11 was released.
DX11 pretty much ran the same as DX9 but it looked better, got tessellation and all that jazz
>>343586194
this is due to the tech amd designed that windows integrated into their system. amd is based in that regard.
>>343585828
>Name them.
homefront
asscreed unity
>
Profitability. Which is where consoles excel at, judging by how the Japanese refuse to go anywhere else but PlayStation.
its funny because free to phone games make more money than any triple A game
>>343582016
You know all those android and iphones?
Every single one of em use Open GL.
And the androids are switching to vulkan to save battery life.
Also every single professional 3D software use Open GL as well.
Only games use D3D.
>>343586302
I'm actually talking about how shit AAA games perform on pc since last quarter 2015.
>>343586467
like what?
>>343586343
As an owner of a Geforce 9800gt, i would say you would be surprised on how many "DX11" games actually do support DX10 and run pretty much the same.
>>343586282
>>343586105
Its only 1 game anyway.
>>343586439
I would say Bloodborne was pretty bad at launch too.
Choppy framerate and 1-2min loading times.
Even as someone who just bought a 1080 I'm glad there's some bad Nvidia headlines floating out there, the company could use more of them, regardless of whatever the reason for the "poor" performance on DirectX12 is.
>>343586467
Yeah, I'll call you out on this bullshit right now. Name a game I can't run at ultra 1440p and get 60-100+ FPS and I'll prove you wrong, right now.
>>343586580
Nearly every game in 2017 will be DX12 I bet. Deus Ex and Battlefield 1 are two DX12 games coming soon that comes to mind.
>>343586358
But I own i5 3570, not AMD anon...
>>343578574
>mfw they said they wouldn't support mantle
>>343586748
Only about 25 titles in 2017 will use DX12. Use some google son, and most of the games are shit no one wants.
>>343586534
like any game that has been ported to pc from console. I used to be able to get 60+ frames on every game in 1080p now I'm struggling to keep 40 in most cases.
>>343586720
Arma 3 multiplayer
>>343586848
name a few and list your specs
>>343586748
>WRONG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support
There are literally no DX12 games coming out in 2017. DX12 is a meme for AMD fags to pretend their second rate hardware is good for something.
>>343586720
>everyone has the same computer as you do.
>>343586756
it doesnt matter the tech works for all cpu's.
>>343586810
Of course not.
Mantle is dead, replaced by vulkan, which they fully support and actually get a frame rate bump as good as DX12.
>>343586848
>like any game that has been ported to pc from console
You mean those same games that struggle to even reach 30 on console?
>>343586820
They wont announce DX12 a year or so before the games release date. E.g. we didnt know bf1 was DX12 until what a month ago? By the start of 2017 we'll have a better list, majority of AAA games should be DX12
>>343586964
You fucktards are okay with spending $2000 in 2 years on your PS4 but won't buy a decent gaming rig. How is this the industries fault?
>>343586957
Check that list again in 2017
>patching a shitty wrapper around a dx11 game
>""""""dx12""""""
stupidest meme ever
there's literally no point to this. AMD only talks about dx12 so much because their dx11 game benchmarks were awful
>>343586936
all of them since fourth quarter 2015
. I have a 7850.
>>343587034
haven't they always struggled to hit 30?
>>343587086
what the fuck is this guy talking about?
AMD really needs a win. Things are getting kind of dire and an Nvidus monopoly would be terrible.
But I find it hard to believe that Nvidia would be so shortsighted to not design at all for DX12/Vulkan when itsy obviously the next thing. They must have something up their sleeve.
>>343587167
>AMD PROMISED US! DX12 GAMES ARE COMING!! WE'LL FINALLY GET WITHIN 30FPS OF NVIDIA GPUS!!!!
>They said the same shit with mantle
AMDfags are so incredibly dumb, it's amazing.
>>343586748
So what? DX12 is a meme anyway. AMD designed DX12 to screw over nVidia. Not like it matters since nVidia will simply not use these "features" and make the game run better with gameworks physix and all the good stuff.
>>343587171
In dx11 the equivalent AMD card usually matches the Nvidia counterpart. It just in dx12 AMD cards get a 20-30% boost so they shit on their Nvidia counterparts, ofc they will talk about it.
>>343587171
Eh, by the price point the AMD DX11 support is still ok, but not as nearly as impressive indeed.
It's not like AMD use a S3 Virge emulator for the DX11 support or something.
>>343587285
probably referring to cost of ps4, peripherals, ps4 neo, psvr, psn, psmove. if you actually get this stuff as it comes out you're out of pocket like 1800 in 2 1/2 yrs not even counting games.
face it friendo, sony is bending us over and fucking us in the ass with no lube this gen. and we are happy about it for some reason.... i might just build a pc, this is getting dumb.
>>343587382
your one dense motherfucker. it improves technology across the board nvidia just cant into it. I'm not saying they had nvidia in mind when they designed it but they definitely had Intel and windows in mind. cant help everyone.
>>343587350
I dont even have an AMD gpu, I have a 980. Its like you wasnt here for DX11 when that was released, idiots like you were parroting it will never be used then 2010/2011 came along and every game was DX11.
>>343587350
The funny thing about this is that Nvidia is probably making the next generation of their cards to be very, very fucking fast with DX12/Vulkan.
Specially given the fact Android is moving to vulkan, and getting their tegra stuff being fast on it will give em a lot of contracts.
>>343587562
what about my post makes it seem like I have a console?
>>343587382
>AMD designed DX12 to screw over nVidia.
Delusional much. Not AMDs fault that Nvidia cards are missing technology. If it was the opposite way around and Nvidia has Async you would be praising them.
>>343587824
best part is, is my ancient 7850 gets significant performance boosts because they have been putting this tech in cards for a very long time.
>>343587672
All the Nvidia tards will just lap it up and just upgrade to the newest Nvidia gen
Planned obsolescence is what Nvidia does best
>>343588014
You don't need planned obsolesce when you have a bunch of retards that buy the newest shit for pure pride instead of necessity.
My 9800gt took 6 years to actually get obsolete, and i bet the same can be said about the AMD card of the same power and point in time.
>>343585839
Ps2 anon? Come on... I still have my launch PS2 and I doubt it could get graphics like that.
Isn't Vulkan DoA though?
Honestly if it wasn't for W10 being a NSA botnet everyone would be on DX12's dick atm. I can't think of inc games supporting Vulkan.
Valve also failed with their SteamOS. Say what you want but MS still has monopoly.
>>343587824
AMD sucks
>>343578574
>it appears that there are no benefits at all for NVIDIA users.
This happens in all games, Nvidia hardware isn't for Dx12, it doesn't take any benefits.
>>343588458
only /v/ and /g/ think that. you should check out the rest of the internet sometime. theres lots of stuff out there. cortana is the spy and one drive is looked through. other than that. the eula hasnt changed from 8.1. its literally to fix problems before normies notice them. cortana is the thing that spys on your browsing and whatever you tell it to do. but you dont have to even install it.
So is this just for that game or is it a universal issue
>>343588754
dx12 will show little to no performace gains for nvidia. as it is right now. they dont believe in async.
>>343588458
It will be despite freetards saying otherwise.
MS does the same shit with DX that Nvidia does with Gameworks.
It's why this situation is so funny. Nvidia is getting fucked by their own tactics.
>>343578574
Dx is about to die in a year when vulkin is the norm because multiplat
>>343588941
you are free to use any api you want with microsoft its just that freeware is rarely better than the developed alternative. money talks bullshit walks.
>>343588720
I'm the guy with 3570 boost on W10. Only issue I had so is my W10 scanning my W7 partition and detecting it's not genuine. I'll toy around with it once I come back from work. I hope W10 doesn't remove my pirated software.
>>343587623
I was, and it took a good 4 years after the first couple games for it to become the standard. You will not see many DX12 titles in 2017. Maybe in 2018? by then my GPUs will be 3 years old and I will upgrade.
My point is these AMDcucks parading like DX12 optimization -today- means anything. It's fucking sad, they're buying hardware for something that by the time is in actual daily use, they will need new hardware for yet again.
>>343589015
durp.
>>343589071
it wont I still have all my pirated games after the upgrade.
Vulkan only exists as assurance in case MS closes down their ecosystem, just like OpenGL
>>343589143
why do you pretend to know stuff? /v/ why you always lyin.
>>343578574
Nah, go Nvidia 1060 when it comes out.
Because we apparently live in the bizarro universe where rich people are "oppressed" because they're "jewish" and cats and dogs can have offspring Nvidia has decided to throw its driver development behind Vulkan, which is made significantly of AMD code, while AMD takes Microsoft shekels to develop almost exclusively to DX12.
Since Vulkan is going to see more use by companies (why develop solely for Win10 when you could develop for Win10+everything else) you'll wind up with a great bang-for-your-buck card crippled by poor API support if you go AMD.
Why couldn't they just develop for an API they practically built themselves? Why does AMD have to always make the worst business decisions? They're like the Capcom of GPUs.
>>343589143
>physx
oh the ironing.
>>343578574
AMD got a deal with CA. There isnt even a driver update for optimization for Nvidis cards.
Pointless test that proves nothing. Of course Nvidia wont do as well on a game AMD has exclusivity to.
Perhaps they implemented Dx12 in a poor way (ie. just a basic efficient version just to quickly get it working)
>>343588498
Nice argument you have there
>>343580187
AMD didn't gain any market share with fermi and they even did a year of rebrand with that architecture.
It's safe to say nothing short of 2 failed architectures in a row can budge nvidia
>>343589376
youre a fucking idjit. amd made good tech that microsoft adopted. one because its open source. two it makes computers work better.
>>343589376
>Why couldn't they just develop for an API they practically built themselves
That's what they are doing, both Vulkan and DX12 are heavily based on Mantle
>>343589376
Amd/ati always ran open gl better than nvidia. Expect the same since vulkin will take place of open gl
>>343589479
your confusing how nvidia parternships work with how amd partnerships work. Nvidia is the only company that actively tries to fuck over performance to make themselves look better with ludicrous amounts of tessellation. its not a secret you dummy.
>>343589516
total bullshit they gained 5% according to the quarterly.
>>343589480
Basically, they sacrificed DX12 performance for DX11, which made their cards run cooler and consume less power. AMD been playing the DX12 game ever since the 7000 series, and now its about to pay off.
If Nvidia wants to match AMD, they will basically have to do the same thing AMD is doing, thus increasing their cards power usage and heat. I wanna see how Jensen is going to spin that.
>>343589376
Wha... You realize dx12 is also supported on xbone and it still can run any other API. People will be forced to upgrade same way they were forced to upgrade to x64 OS. What other hardware do you have, tablets? Who gives a fuck about android games. They're limited by hardware and controls, not API.
>>343588458
The new DOOM is getting a Vulkan patch.
DOTA2 has a Vulkan beta.
Do you really think Source 2 is going to be optimized for DX12?
There are literally no downsides to using Vulkan, you can still put your games on Win10. The fact that news is popping up that DX12 makes Nvidia cards run worse is going to make MORE people use Vulkan because any studio that drank Nvidia's Gameworks Kool-aid is going to be terrified of losing that support by using DX12.
When you're a developer, having the company that makes your customers' hardware basically offer free middleware is like payed time off.
>>343589672
Thats false. This might be the first case of it but AMD has paid for exclusivity and is fucking over Nvidia in regards to Warhammer.
There hasnt been a single driver update for Nvidia and Warhammer, but there was one day 1 for AMD. You even see the AMD logo on the start up screen.
I dont normally post in GPU threads because you are all childish idiots. But the fact is you cant get a Nvidia or any type of card to run Dx12 well if they dont have driver support. End of discussion.
>>343589376
How did nvidia develop mantle, drop support for it, then have 2 apis based on it? That's very bad business
oh bby nvidia so gud
>>343590017
I think it all will boil down to which API offers better performance and is easier to use.
>>343590029
>paid exclusivity is dx12.
nigger you retarded.
>>343590223
It will which is why his pathetic post listing doom and dota fucking 2
will lose out to this list here
>>343581558
>>343590223
>API offers better performance and is easier to use.
Both are pretty much the same except for 2 things, Vulkan works on more devices and DX12 has a better dev toolset
>>343586464
Is this not a video game board?
Are we not talking about this topic in contrast to video games?
jesus christ
>>343589781
I guess "any" was hyperbole, They didn't take majority or anything close to it when common sense would have had them.
I remember being quite frustrated with consumers through that mess, even when nvidia was clearly the worse option people kept buying it in rates significantly higher than AMD or ATI i guess back in half those days.
It was quite ridiculous.
Can someone give me a link with lots of info on what AMD and Nvidia have coming in the near future? I keep reading all these code words for items with no reference. Last time I built a gaming pc was back in 2007.
Currently putting $20 aside a week to build a new rig and am woefully ignorant. And yes I will use logicalinctoments.
>>343578574
>Own 2 gtx 1080's
>turn on dx12 in this game which i ltierally just bought 3 days ago
>fps went up by 20
nice link. seems like a pretty easy lie but no joke dx12 upped my fps
>>343590438
>Vulkan works on more devices
If we're talking core AAA gaming, devs would prefer using dx12 to reach the millions xbox users and windows users. All while taking a sum cash from MS to use it.
Also you're probably aware of this but the reason devs love direct x is because of the ease of use and toolset as you said. Opengl did not make anything easy for them like MS did.
If we're talking mobile shit, by all means vulkan is the best.
>amd creates amazing new api tech that improves computer performance for much more than just games.
>nvidiots call it a power play because their favorite company doesnt want to take advantage of it.
fucking cancer.
>>343578574
Try reading about Pre-emptions. Following Nvidia Statements it is how they ill face the aSync Copmute, the 1070 and 1080 are in the second generation of Pre Emption and yet, it doesn't seen to make aSync as good as AMD does.
>>343590535
Nvidia recently released the 1070 and 1080. The 1070 will likely be the main card for a while for nvidia users like the 970 was.
Amd released the 480 which is a good budget hard.
However their 490 is absent. Why? My guess is their pushing for HBM2 which takes more time to manufacture and that it is vega. If so the 1070 is a waste of cash.
In any case the smart thing to do is wait and see.
>>343590535
AMD has Vega coming out soon, which is their new flagship card. The RX470 and RX460 are also coming out real soon and are their budget cards which are looking like they will offer real good bang for the buck. The RX480 that just came out is a mainstream card and is very much worth it, just wait for a custom design, which is coming out soon.
Nvidia released their flagship (1080) and enthusiast (1070) cards, which are the fastest cards in the world right now. They are in extremely low supply at the moment. They also have their mainstream card coming out the 1060.
>>343590438
What devices though. Win owners will make the jump sooner or later once they realize their fav game doesn't run without DX12 same way you can't play some games without 8 gigs of ram and x64 OS. Linux and OSX have <5% market share. No special staff re-training is huge, since they already are trained and familiar with DX11/9 standards.
Vulkan seems great for non-gaming software but that's it.
>>343590349
Read it again, you totally misunderstood.
>>343590932
nobody is fucking over nvidia, thats what nvidia does to the pc platform on the reg.
>>343590932
He's Indian, m8. No use arguing with him.
>>343591068
Again, you failed to read what I wrote and the facts before you. No more replies for you.
>>343590856
If the 490 is using hbm2 we won't be seeing it until next year, it's not a matter of how long it takes to manufacture, the actual process for it isn't really ready for a not premium priced card yet.
More like DX12 is DOA.
>>343581325
>Nvidia is better on linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
>>343591226
nvidia doesnt get much in terms of performance improvements from dx12 because they dont use async not because theres no drivers.
>>343591494
Does the 1000 series have async compute?
>>343590907
RX 480 is a budget card, mainstream card = budget. rx 470 and rx 460 are bottom of the barrel poor cards.
>>343591491
this is what I was talking about before they fuck over everyone they ever work with and they have burned all their bridges.
>>343591648
no
>>343590535
search for AMD Vega and Nvidia Volta
Pascal is just a Maxwell refresh the same way the r9 300s are refresh of r9 200s
>>343590110
>How did nvidia develop mantle
you mean AMD, pajeet
>>343582227
>>343582276
>that denial
>>343589625
nope, see linux drivers
>>343591491
Go compare open sores drivers with AMD and Nvidia on Linux, AMD is playing catch up
>>343591805
>Pascal is just a Maxwell refresh the same way the r9 300s are refresh of r9 200s
Pascal is definitely a new architecture and the 300s were on the same lithography as the 200s it's not even comparable.
Just because they have another architecture on the drawing board doesn't mean the current one is a "refresh"
>>343592169
phone posters piss me off the most.
>>343583901
Hello, I have to let you know that Star Swarm devs Oxide the same developer for Ashes of Singularity are know for being incompetent.
In this case in that grapgh from that Demo (since you can't call that a game) they feed it a workload that they KNOW will choke on a specific driver/GPU (in the case of Star Swarm they sent extremely long command lists to DX11. This mostly taxed the memory management in the driver, which was never designed to handle lists of that size. nVidia fixed up their drivers to deal with it though. It was never really an API issue, they just sent a workload that was completely unrepresentative of any realistic game workload). Again a case of bad code being bad.
Oxide was on the Gaming Evolved program (AMD sponsors, which was made only to promote Mantle, by showing that bad DX11 code is bad. Really, they show DX11 code which runs single-digit framerates on most systems, while not exactly producing world-class graphics. Why isn’t the first response of most people as sane as: “But wait, we’ve seen tons of games doing similar stuff in DX11 or even older APIs, running much faster than this. You must be doing it wrong!”?
>>343590649
nah, the big thing with Vulkan was it was FREE of directx. vulkan would improve performance on iOS devices and consoles and Linux OS kernel. that's even bigger market opportunity than XBONE (ded console) and Win10.
AMD made the consoles which is entirely possible why they knew how to make vulkan work better than nvidia has been able to show with dx12 so far.
>>343592197
it is a refresh, Pascal is just overclocked Maxwell on a die shrink
meanwhile the r9 300s are rebrands of r9 200s with power consumption tweaks, you can still get the same random freeze screen errors because of hynix vs elpida memory
>>343583179
Windows 10 uses DX12 even to render everything on the screen, so it leaves the CPU less loaded with windows GUI and free for other aplications.
>>343592371
nope async has been used in amd cards since the 7000 series nvidia doesnt use that technology.
>>343592561
will Volta have async?
>>343592624
I dont know the answer to this.
>>343583468
Nope, nope nope nope. DX10 was a huge failure since all the improvements that was predicted to give it didn't. Also, was binded to Windows Vista wich was a huge failure. Them DX11 came out with lots of cool stuff and improvements through some instructions but only nvidia worked better, it was a long long long time seeing games that worked with DX9 and DX11 but no DX10.
>>343578574
DX12 depends on the developer to optimize for the specific card and architecture that you use. Clearly CA is testing on AMD cards because they aren't optimizing for nvidia hardware at all.
Same goes for Vulkan. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of games kept optional DX11 mode for a long time to come, because I think this optimization being offloaded from GPU vendors to devs is gonna be hard to adapt to for the devs.
>>343584904
>Game has bugs, frame rate issues, crashes until post-launch patch. Just like PC.
Fuck you, this bulshit came with the X360 and PS3. Almost no PC games had problems like that in the launch.
>>343592464
no - it uses the wddm
>>343593190
>I dont have any idea what I'm talking about.
>>343593262
to be fair its because devs know they can get away with it now.
>>343593307
I do know what I'm talking about. When devs have access to the metal, they are going to have to optimize their games for it themselves. It won't be through vendor driver optimization like in DX11.
Maybe you should get off the Internet, it can't handle this many people being wrong.
>>343586464
iPhones uses proprietary Mantle, it is like Vulkan and DX12. Professional 3D software uses DX if you are using windows. CAD, Maya, 3DS, XSI, etc.
Android uses a mobile version of OpenGL that is just a capped OpenGL.
>>343593612
>no I dont.
optimization has always had to be done by developers.
>>343578574
>Should I go AMD?
No, not unless you're using a 700, 600, or 500 series nvidia card. If you have a 900 series card you're better off waiting until Nvidia release a card with async compute built into the GPU architecture. So that's only 12 months away.
>>343593731
Nope. There is a reason why game ready drivers exist. The devs can optimize but only so much before Nvidia or AMD has to swoop in and help them out with driver tweaks. That's also one of the reasons why AMD performance is so fucking bad in DX11. It takes them forever to roll out driver optimizations for games.
>>343592371
They're the same thing. Consoles are not using vulkan and neither will iOS devices if you even bothered reading up on it. Sony preferred it's propriety forked api instead as usual. Ms will be moving with dx12. Mobile games aren't what we're discussing here anyways.
For pc and scorpio, we will get dx12 moving forward. AMD does not care about vulkan anymore as dx12 is enough to make use of it's features which was the entire point of them releasing mantle.
>>343580587
>>343581181
>>343581450
not true, there are vulkan benchmarks available, and they show AMD cards don't perform as well as Nvidia cards.
>>343581558
vista 2, electric boogaloo.
>>343587672
But Tegra SoCs are nowhere in smartphones.
>>343593919
game ready drivers exist because devs are incompetent for the most part.
>>343587987
HD7000 have the first GCN architecture, while AMD is in their 4th generation of GCN Nvidia is still pushing Pre-emption that is alreadly proved that doesn't work.
>>343585839
Dude, PS2 only had like 4mb of ram, are you retard?
>>343587171
If this was the point then AMD should be still behind because DX11 Nvidia nailed it pretty well while AMD still struggle.
>>343594193
No, they simply can't do shit about it for the most part. The nvidia driver recompiles shaders for each game to make it run faster. Pretty sure AMD one does it too, but their optimizations are weak as piss.
And the devs are incompetent, but that's beside the point.
I think games look pretty good now, its okay if these new systems dont work
>>343578574
>using DX12 bloatware from windows 10 ever
yea no
there is a reason why the are aiming for Vulkan
>>343594471
most of amd's game ready drivers remove superfluous polys which gives the most performance gains.
>>343594519
you fell for the memes.
>>343594614
Don't tell me the fuckers are cheating again
>>343594519
>windows 10 is spyware
You do realise you can disable the so called spyware features through the registry
>he doesn't realise the so-called spyware features have been present since windows vista
>>343594764
>clock boost cant maintain clock speeds longer than 5 minutes about the time it takes to do a benchmark. gameworks is still a thing.
they never stopped anon.
>>343593190
Are you retarded or what? DX12 is totally the oposite, it just identifies the basics of the card like CUs, memory and clocks, everything is up to the dev when he compiles the game. the aSync architecture of Radeons is just better than the Pre-emption thing from Nvidia.
>>343594713
what ? Win 7 here. No fucking idea what you gibbering about.
>>343595032
I was going to say the same to you memester.
>>343594996
That's what I fucking said, DX12 depends on the developer to optimize for the given hardware.
If the card doesn't do async good, the dev has to optimize for it. It's on them.
They don't have to, but if they want performance it's not gonna magically create itself.
