A reminder that if you buy your game keys from g2a, gmg or other suspiciously cheap sites, you're hurting developers more than if you just pirated the game.
>>343535524
Christ, that sucks.
The main thing about G2A is that it's a key reseller, which is where the shady shit comes in.
Maybe if they didn't charge so much for their games, I wouldn't have to go to g2a.
>>343535524
Maybe devs shouldnt charge retarded prices for their games. That will probaly help their sales alot more then trying to go against the key sites.
>>343535524
what's wrong with gmg
>sell your game to third-worlders
>be surprised when they rip you off
They're kind of asking for it at that point.
>>343535524
Nice. Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to get my Ubi$oft games off G2A now.
>>343535524
Okay. Good. Maybe they'll man-up, stop acting like they're a victim, and give people a good reason not to fucking use keysites if this happens more often.
>>343536083
Nothing. CD Project just got assblasted that people weren't buying from GoG and threw a hissy fit.
>>343535524
How is that our problem?
Don't get your cc phished, scrub.
>>343535524
This is like going to Aldi's and complaining that the people there are buying food cheaper than at Wal-Mart.
Who gives a fuck about some major corporation's profit?
>>343536113
Enjoy your invalidated games
>>343537116
Thanks mr. Fearmonger, I've already had dozens of my cd keys revoked!
>>343536491
It's not the dev that gets his CC stolen it's random plebs. Thief sells stolen keys to people thinking they're getting a deal through G2A who doesn't give a fuck if they're stolen and everybody gets ripped off.
>>343535524
Capitalism in action, nigger.
Want me to stop buying games from those sites? Then make your prices competitive. Give me a reason to not go to Kinguin or G2A.
I have no obligation, moral or otherwise, to not pick the cheapest option.
>>343536685
No its not like that at all, its more like people are buying food from Aldis with stolen Credit cards , then selling it cheaper at wallmart, then having the charges revoked which would cause Aldis to refund that money plus more.
Its plain as day in the OP pic. The problem is not that you are buying cheap keys, its that you are buying stolen keys(sometimes) that hurt devs more then piracy.
>>343537875
Are you retarded? The people buying these keys via credit card fraud spend exactly zero of theyr own dollars on each key so they can undercut whatever price the game could be set at and still make a profit. And no, thievery and fraud are not "capitalism in action".
>>343537875
>make your prices competitive with vendors who buy stolen goods
Do you even realize how fucking retarded you are?
>>343538167
>thievery and fraud are not "capitalism in action".
It's USA capitalism in action.
>>343538167
>so they can undercut whatever price the game could be set at and still make a profit
And that's not my problem in the least.
If you're trying to convince someone to not act in his own best interest, you need to come up with an argument better than "It's not fair :("
Their own fault for using CD-keys. The only reason to issue keys is when going retail or allowing re-sale and those both don't work anymore as consumers have caught up to globalization and know how to exploit it to their advantage.
>>343538581
Just pirate the game, it's the morally correct choice.
I will never buy someone from a developer directly if i can find it significantly cheaper elsewhere.
Why would I buy a game for £49.99 when I could get it for £30 elsewhere?
It doesn't cost anything to make a key and it costs practically nothing to make a CD copy of a game, compared to how much the retail prices are.
>>343538581
>And that's not my problem in the least.
As per the post in the OP, they revoke keys bought through CC fraud, which means the buyer loses access to the game. So yes, it's your problem unless you like losing money.
>>343538754
>want to play a multiplayer game
>can get it for 40% off at kinguin
>but i'm not supposed to do that because the developers said so
>>343538338
>>343539138
Maybe if they didn't use obtrusive and invasive DRM, I wouldn't.
If I can't pirate it, you best be sure that I'm going to buy it for cheaper just out of spite.
>>343538754
Pubs are trying to kill piracy with Denuvo. If you can't pirate the game might as well get it for the cheapest price you can find.
>>343539062
I've bought games from key retailers before, more shady than G2A, and have yet to get one revoked.
>>343539223
ebaumsworld
WOOOOOOOW WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DON'T GET TO KEEP THIS STEREO I BOUGHT OFF SOME GUYS IN A VAN
FUCKING BUGGED ECONOMY MECHANICS HAHAHA
>>343538581
>giving sellers who commit credit card fraud your credit card details
My little anon can't be this mentally deficient
>>343539294
>I've bought games from key retailers before, more shady than G2A, and have yet to get one revoked.
Yes, and?
>>343539062
One developer did that. I've bought plenty of games on G2A, and I haven't had a single problem. If I do end up getting fucked then that's the risk I took - but before then, don't expect me or many others to not try to spend their money as wisely as possible. It's fucking ludicrous to dictate to someone else how they should spend their own money.
GMG is an official Valve-partnered authorized seller you mongoloid
>>343539446
Well then theoretically the keys were purchased using legitimate manners at one point in time.
Gray key market sites are a service problem.
Take this Steam Sale, for example. This is objectively, literally, SHITTIER sales that they were during the last event. We already know Cockstar jacks the prices of their games up immediately preceding a sale (amongst other devs), and this time around Bethesda (amongst other devs) are offering across-the-board weaker sales discounts.
Worse sales just ends up with even more people ending up going to key reseller sites.
GMG is still legit when they list the publisher as the source of their keys, I think. AAA industry publishers (GOG, EA and Ubishit) began yanking their contracts with GMG because the happy publishers most likely want moar shekels (that's the reason EA went Origin-only but luckily every one of EA's game since pulling out of Valve were all hot shit anyway). now GMG's keys for games for those particular publishers are coming from 'authorized' distributers...probably buying digital keys from some European physical publishers.
g2a and the like are RUs using stolen credit cards or people selling those 'not-for-resale' codes that you score buying grafix cards and shit like that
>>343539480
How do they make money though? They keep selling preorders at 15 percent off. They have to be making profit somewhere.
i use instant gaming, never had any issues, never heard anything bad about this specific site
honestly i don't give a fuck as long as i get cheap games
>>343539453
>It's fucking ludicrous to dictate to someone else how they should spend their own money.
You're like those feminists who think people advising women they shouldn't walk around the shady part of town at night are just promoting rape culture and so and so.
>>343539545
Yes, and?
You are aware of the fact anecdotal evidence amounts to nothing, right?
>>343535524
>all this blantantly obvious bait from people "defending" key resellers
I get that it's the weekend, but at least apply yourselves.
>>343539718
How in the fuck did you make this insane leap of logic? Especially when my post said
> If I do end up getting fucked then that's the risk I took
Are you retarded or just shitposting?
>>343537725
Except for the buyer, who gets a lower price.
Why is it our problem?
>>343539879
The buyer gets his game removed.
>>343539835
>people want discounted products instead of paying full price, like any sensible person
Shit fuck call the police!
>>343540001
in .1% of cases and only on g2a
even if you buy on g2a, just don't buy from new sellers
you can check who's selling and for how long they have been
CHECK
MATE
>we need to really stop this key resellers guys I lost half a million dollars
>oh, a humble bundle? where the minimum I might get paid is a dollar?
>hmm, this means i'll get press, and it'll look like I care about charities!
Moments later:
>REEEEEEEEEEE SOMEONE SOLD MY KEYS ON [shady cheap key site] (hint: that's all of them)
I don't really give a shit about any of this, but developers are fucking retarded. If you're indie and managing yourself with no outside advice and zero previous business experience you should probably just hock off your IP to someone (if possible) as fast as you can.
>>343540001
I'm one of those buyers and I've never had a game revoked.
Please explain how I have been ripped off.
>>343539863
Because
>It's fucking ludicrous to dictate to someone else how they should spend their own money.
Nobody is "dictating" anything. It's just advice at best.
good . gotta check if g2a have something enough cheap for buying
>>343540001
The buyer doesn't get his game removed.
>>343540378
Enjoy getting you credit card details stolen by some third party seller who carries out shady dealings
Why the fuck should anyone care?
>>343540176
That and G2A and other sites will refund you even if it does happen.
>>343540545
>not using paypal
>>343540545
>what is paypal
>>343540545
>credit card
>>343540545
i will shitty indie developer
>>343540273
Lets assume I am willing to accept the risk that the key might get revoked - with that in mind, what possible argument is there to compel me to buy from Steam/Uplay/Origin/etc instead of a key reseller site? There really isn't a good one.
All I hear is people claiming that there's some sort of moral imperative to maximize developer and publisher profits.
>>343540694
>>343540731
Isn't that the same thing anyway? You're paying with your credit card or debit so the seller still needs that info for the transaction to go through
>>343535524
I dont fucking care
>>343535524
Fraud is only one possible source of the keys
A lot of them are bought in shit ass euro countries for local prices and then sold elsewhere in the world at a markup that still ends up being less than global prices. If a dev region locks its keys then you don't see the same kinds of crazy cheap prices as global keys
>>343540937
This is so the numbers they quote when piracy/reselling/account sharing/insert other bogeyman comes a knockin' are higher. It's a lot better to say someone took the equivalent of a mid sized house worth of money from you, even despite your own actions such as sales/bundles/charity-sale-bundles allowing sales as low as a single dollar for every game involved.
There are some people who should just not be in charge of making decisions, and thanks to the wonderful world of Indie development, now they too can pretend they're only poor because of [sales bogeyman] without years slaving away in the industry as a code monkey.
>>343535524
I don't care.
I could either get Witcher 3 and the season pass for $60-90, or I could get both from kinguin for $35 flat.
There is nothing to defend, nothing to justify. If I can spend as little as possible that's what I'll do.
>>343536275
To be fair... Cd Projekt had complete control over who they sell their keys to in western stores. And GmG was NOT on the list of vendors they sold their keys to.
As to how GmG got their keys? Nobody knows for sure. And they certainly didn't buy it from CD Projekt. But honestly, I have had times in the past where GmG gave me non-working keys... but they eventually correct it when you contact them about it.
I think most of these sites get it from shady russian sources. Every game is cheaper in russia... They know exactly which ones are regional free and which isn't. They probably brought a bunch of regional free GoG keys for Witcher 3 for cheaper prices than you would normally pay in the west, that's why their shit is always cheaper for brand new games.
>>343541154
maybe if you ever inputed a cc number on paypal i don't know
i just do wire transfers trough my bank to put some cash on paypal once every few months
>>343541332
this
people making less of a profit on legit keys doesnt sit well on hook nosed overlords and good goys alike
>>343537875
>I can't spend $30-60 on things I enjoy once every 3-5 years
Besides, I know for a fact that if devs sold games for cheaper, you would still bitch about the prices.
Anyway, why not just pirate? You only ever buy games to fund devs. By buying from shit like g2a you literally just throw away your money.
tl;dr stay retarded
>>343541537
>As to how GmG got their keys? Nobody knows for sure.
>Every game is cheaper in russia
So what you're saying is you know what likely happened, that it is fully above board and legal, but you wanted to make this post anyway?
I hope Phil Fish or some other indie darling unites the world under a global currency soon so we can all feel safe that every penny is going where it belongs.
>>343541537
russian keys only work on russian steam accounts, they are indeed cheaper but they're always marked as russian keys
this would be a pain in the ass to use, you would need a vpn on at all times when you're logged on your steam
i'm not that much of a jew
Been buying from g2a for two years now and have never got a key revoked.
Stay mad moral fags
>>343541850
>>I can't spend $30-60 on things I enjoy once every 3-5 years
I spend more than that, because I have diverse interests and hobbies. So yeah, I save money where I can.
Don't act like an idiot and assume that everyone who plays video games ONLY plays video games.
>>343541850
because sometimes i want to play mp games or games that are denuvod up
those are not pirateable
i'll reassure you tho, i still pirate when available
>>343535524
Factorio devs refuse to offer sale prices for their game. Maybe that has more to do with it than resellers. Also they don't have to deactivate keys, note how they gloss that part over. They choose to.
I piss on your shit retarded faggot indie devs.
Sites like g2a, kinguin and the like are great, never had any issues buying games from them.
>>343541154
>>343541669
No. Paypal itself is like a credit card that functions as a debit card. When you make a purchase through them, they pay for it themselves and then deduct that same amount from your bank account or credit card.
Whoever is selling the keys never sees or gets your information if you use paypal.
>>343541850
>Anyway, why not just pirate?
Denuvo
>>343541537
>As to how GmG got their keys? Nobody knows for sure.
They they do. GMG got their Witcher keys from Bandai Namco Europe, who were the official European distributor.
CD Projekt are just kikes who were mad that people weren't giving them their full 60 shekels.
>>343541508
>spend 35$
>torrent
Gee, I wonder which one has you spending as little as possible
>but muh steam library
Disgusting
>>343541850
>By buying from shit like g2a you literally just throw away your money.
There's that meme again.
>>343535524
thats what they get
>>343542607
>I wonder which one has you spending as little as possible
Spending the $35. Because if you pirate it, you are not spending at all.
>>343542636
Why don't you fucking pirate it?
I don't fucking get it. If you don't wanna to buy the game from the developer, you can pirate it. Why CHOOSE to give money to people when you can get it for free?
Shit that only makes sense in retards heads I guess
>>343542902
>Why don't you fucking pirate it?
Because I want access to the multiplayer.
Is that really so hard to understand?
>>343535524
So how come I have never had a game deactivated if its so common?
When it starts happening, I'll stop buying from them
>>343542902
You can't pirate some games these days due to Denuvo. Or if you can kind of pirate them they generally have some issues.
Also like the other guy said, online functions. Maybe multiplayer maybe something else.
>buying games is now worse than piracy
What a time to be alive.
>>343542902
Legit copies get updates, online and steam stuff like cloud saves, achievements and workshop mods you dense motherfucker.
>>343543073
Do you buy every new AAA game?
>mfw boycotting video games
>mfw will NEVER buy another game again
eat my ass buyfags
>>343542902
>If you don't wanna to buy the game from the developer
You are incorrectly assuming that purchasing from reseller sites has something to do with a refusal to purchase from the developer through 'legitimate' means.
Nobody is buying from G2A and the like out of a refusal to give the devs money - it's purely about gaining ownership of the game using the cheapest option.
Whether or not you agree or understand, for many people actually owning the game is an incentive.
You are arguing like it's about some sort of anti-developer thing, and that's completely wrong.
>>343543367
>eat my ass
gross
>>343535524
>developers used to complain about piracy
>now they complain because consumers want to get good prices
It's never good enough, is it.
>>343540176
>in .1% of cases and only on g2a
Not sure if uninformed retard or just shilling super hard for shitty websites. You really think the game publishers dont realize eventually in almost every case when a credit card is fraudulent because the actual owner cancels all the transactions? As soon as that happens they cancel all the cd keys and you can no longer play online or update.
>>343543682
>buy video games at cheap price because the site is using fraudulent credit cards
>get surprised when game devs call you out for it.
DESU if it hasnt happened already eventually it will be illegal to pay for goods purchased with stolen credit cards, meaning that if you buy cd keys from sketchy sites you could find yourself in legal trouble for supporting credit card theft.
> had a key revoked once
> asked for a refund on g2play
> mfw they answered under an hour and did it
Literally better customer support than steam
>>343543691
I've bought something like 30 keys from G2A and Kinguin. I've never had a single one revoked. And I'm aware that others have had keys revoked very quickly.
Show me some numbers that show a trend toward one outcome or the other and I'll concede the point, but until then everyone is just using anecdotal evidence to support their side of the argument.
>>343543227
I buy lots of games
Whats the difference?
>>343543986
>I've bought something like 30 keys from G2A and Kinguin.
prove it
>>343543842
>get surprised when game devs expect you to not find the best deals available
Is that so unreasonable? The developers bottom line is not my concern, just as my financial spending is not theirs.
>>343544132
people are more likely to buy newer and more expensive games with stolen credit cards
>>343544359
Why?
>>343544396
buying things illegally should be your concern and im gonna lel when you get your ass raped in jail.
>>343544503
if you cant you are just a shill
>>343538338
more like chinese capitalism
>>343544664
>>343544863
>buying things bought with stolen credit cards
>not illegal
top cuck
>>343541850
>once every 3-5 years
I'm supposed to buy one game for three years?
>>343544974
Not ever grey market seller buys keys with stolen credit cards.
>>343545179
not sure if unintelligent/uninformed or just shilling. How else would they get the cd keys without illegal means? If they got them legally they would lose money for selling them than less than they paid for them
>>343535994
game price has nothing to do with this, you bloody mongol.
>>343535524
>As a reaction to this, we have to deactivate all keys bought
>have to
>have
No they don't. And the credit card companies should be the ones liable, not the developer.
>>343545335
Buy them from other regions where they're cheaper. Get bulk discounts, I don't know. Someone said earlier in this thread that GMG got their TW3 keys from an official European distributor.
>>343538251
95% of keys are legit. Do you even realize how gullible you are?
>website sells games that are cheaper than anywhere else
>THEY'RE SELLING STOLEN KEYS
where's the proof faggot
>>343539596
valve takes a 30% cut on games sold on steam. key sellers buy directly from the publisher/developer so they take no 30% cut, thus being able to sell cheaper than steam.
>>343545834
every one knows the only way you can buy keys is at full retail price with no bulk deals or any sort of other deals, it has to be stolen if not 100% retail price that a consumer would pay
>>343535524
Enjoy waiting for a denuvo crack or buying a game at full price
>>343545734
>95% of keys are legit
>unironically shilling this hard
they arent and you are beyond gullible as fuck if you think they are.
>>343545956
>If a competitor sells a product for less than another company sells it
>ITS STOLEN
gee
i wonder whose behind this post
>>343546072
sarcasm my friend
>>343542607
Pirating's downside is having to wait for patches to be cracked and then dealing with any issues that crop up.
Also this guy >>343543173
>>343545834
>where's the proof faggot
>buy key for full retail price
>sell it for less
>still make a profit
makes perfect sense right
definitely 100% legit process
>>343545917
>so they take no 30% cut
>unironcally believing this
if they didnt take a cut they wouldnt make money, in fact they would lose money simply through transactions. THEY HAVE TO TAKE A CUT TO MAKE MONEY
>>343546326
>buy key for full retail price
Who is saying this is what happens? You don't have to use stolen credit cards to not pay full retail price.
>>343546326
>still no proof
where's the proof
>>343546550
>where's the proof
OP's image
Yep. I bought this real cheap from g2play. I was waiting for a sale, but the discount wasn't good enough.
Now I'm fairly sure this key won't be there for long. I don't know how the process would be considering it's like 5 times cheaper this way, so there must be something wrong with that price. How does one even stumble upon keys of an early access game?
>WAHH STOP PIRATING
>WAHH STOP BUYING SOME CHEAP SITES
Fuck you, you are not my friend, you are a company that exists solely to suck as much money out of my as possible, why the fuck should I go out of my way to support you?
>>343546407
what i meant is that the key stores don't go through steam so they don't eat the 30% valve cut
I have bought cd keys for almost a decade now. Nothing wrong happened. Once I had a key that didn't work. I just contacted these people and they gave me one that worked. I'm still waiting for that one day that I will suffer the consequences of this. It's been years now.
also I think Humble Bundle works out well because they probably write-off the FULL value of the game
somebody buys your game for $1? Shit the publisher don't even care they're most likely claiming full value on their tax forms. You got a $1 game, they got a $5~50 dollar charity credit :)
>>343542172
their game is still only on greenlight, its not even out of beta yet and you are expecting it to go on sale?
>>343547420
This is not how taxes work, are you twelv-
>:)
Oh
>>343547148
Because then no one will make games anymore and this board would shut down
>>343546326
>What are promotional giveaways and codes like those bundled with GPUs
>What are price glitches like Newegg had where you could buy Dirt Rally and new Tomb Raider codes for 10 cents that they actually honored
It's not hard to see that a large amount of AAA games get bundled into a GPU promotion, and I've seen people with stacks of those fucking codes, not every game sold on G2A is from a stolen credit card.
>>343549051
>What is /vr/
>>343545345
What is a freemarket?
don't care lol still going to use g2a, never had a key deactivated in literally 100's of games
if you support companies at the expense of yourself your a fucking idiot and deserve to be parted with your cash
>>343535524
NOOOOOOO STOP BUYING GAMES CHEAP
BUY THEM AT $60 AND $50 SEASON PASS REEEE
>>343541850
You can't pirate denuvo and multiplayer games. Sure as hell will try to get them as cheap as I can.