Why is nintendo so based? They show they're not taking shit or any nonsense, also they're giving youtubers and let's players the boot by not letting them profit from their IP without paying royalties. Absolutely based.
But yeah, fighting against emulation and piracy is, you could say, an uphill battle if not impossible, but you gotta respect them for taking a stance.
>>343520259
In reality they don't lose much in profit, but they have to have some stance on the matter.
>>343520259
are there video game companies that aren't fighting against piracy?
>>343520612
Yes? Literally everyone is not fighting against it, that is because they can't
Modern consoles only start getting emulated by the time the sales are long past their peak.
And even then they still need years before they're close to perfect.
Why doesn't Nintendo release their old games as freeware? Other Japanese companies have done it.
They could serve as promotion for newer titles, and having "free games" included on system would give people another incentive to purchase a console.
>the problem is that it's illegal
Literally a non-argument.
>>343520781
That's not a valid justification. Nintendo is the IP holder, it's their right to have full control over it, e.g. reselling the games on new systems.
>>343520781
I think they are talking more about emulators for SNES or N64.
Nintendo often brings their old titles to the virtual console. But if you can download super mario 64 for free and play it on a N64 emulator means you won't be buying SM64 on their virtual console, they see it as a loss, since it is actually illegal because they have the copyright to the game.
>>343521036
Their own N64 emulator is shit btw, worse than free ones.
Sony emulation for the PS1 isn't perfect either but still very close to Mednafen
>>343520928
Because Nintendo isn't any other publisher out there just barely scraping by, they're the Apple of the games industry. Doing what you suggest would harm their brand value
>>343521120
I haven't tried their N64 VC but it still doesn't affect the fact that any sane person wouldn't buy their games on their virtual console if they could get it for free
>>343521006
I don't think he's trying to justify it, just saying that they aren't so assmad that they need to "fight" piracy. It's just standard practice to say you're not for it.
>It is irrelevant wheter or not someone profits from the distribution of an emulator. The emulator promotes the play of illegal ROMs, not authentic games. Thus, not only does it not lead to more sales, it has the opposite effect and purpose
BASED NINTY BLOWING /v/ PIRATES THE FUCK OUT
IT'S
LITERALLY
OKAY
WHEN
NINTENDO
DOES
IT
>>343521332
Yes, now take a chillpill
>>343521230
If their emulation was perfect there would still be a reason to buy it.
But they offer a product that is inferior to people doing it for free.
Either way, I don't really care about Nintendo's stance.
Their stance is just where they think lies the most money.
>>343521152
>they're the Apple of the games industry.
kek
maybe they were. right now, sadly, that's sony
>Against emulation because it means nobody will buy VC titles
>Deliberately release fewer VC titles on Wii U because people are ignoring full price Wii U games in favor of them
>$10 for a fucking SNES game
Or I could just emulate it and play it for 10 minutes before getting bored, deleting it and going back to /v/.
>>343522078
Why hurt those who gave you the chance to emulate in the first place?
>>343522328
They've already made shitton of profit from that game, and all developers got their money. By emulating old games, I'm only preparing myself for newer ones so that I'll spend money on them. Surely breaking even on new games is more important to companies than getting pennies from re-releases of old games?
>>343522328
I've probably given Miyamoto and friends $10,000+ over the course of my life, you might have too.
They can do me the favour of letting me emulate Dragon Quest 1 for 30 minutes.
>>343522513
You're not playing authentic games and nintendo disapproves as per >>343520259
>>343520259
>I'm supposed to give a fuck about corporations
Top kek
>>343523293
You are, your entertainment exists because of their goodwill
>>343520259
the only reason they're against emulation is because of virtual console.
and they wonder why people emulate games like mother 3 when they don't localize. greedy fucks.
>>343520612
Sega has embraced emulation and roms for some time now. Hell, they even allow people on Steam to buy the rom, and now have romhacks setup directly, to give even more incentive for people to pay a few bucks for an older title, and extend an olive branch to all sides of their loyal fanbase.
Sega has even authorized emulation devices in the past to be loaded with their games, ranging from handhelds to systems that can play old Sega carts AND roms off SD cards.
They know they can't stop the piracy, but they can dip their beak in it and provide a unique service that can be mutually beneficial to all involved.
>>343523545
but nintendo makes overpriced, underpowered and gimmicky consoles paired with very expensive rehashed software
This reminds me of this odd dream I had. Aboutdrowning in oil.
>>343523556
A virtual console they refuse to update with anything but the most extremely oversaturated games.
>>343520990
>Being this retarded
If a game is more than 14 years old then Nintendo has no moral argument. They already had the opportunity to profit from the sales when the games were first released. The Virtual Console is just a cheap cash grab that literally uses emulators itself.
Nintendo made some of my favorite games of all time, but I have never paid a dime for any of their products. Not once in my life.
>>343524401
>Nintendo has no moral argument
Not an argument
>>343524540
On a scale of zero to zero, take a wild guess on how many fucks I give.
>>343524116
pretty much. they can't have any n64 rare games, which is like 80% of the good games on the system.
>>343520259
>Emulation is bad
>But it's okay when we resell you the same game multiple times for different systems
Nintendo is really fucking stupid some times. I haven't emulated anything in many years, but if I felt like it, I would since nintendo doesn't make it easy for me to play older games. I would need to buy a wii u, buy a separate HDD since I hear theirs is minuscule, make an online account, transfer my money to it, buy the game.
OR
I could press a few buttons on my pc and have it all running in 15mins.
>>343524646
You obviously give a few fucks for making that initial post.
They must be down with 'legitimizing' emulation since they've literally sold (other peoples') emulators to their fans.
>>343525087
I give zero fucks about what you think is a "valid" argument.
nintendo are old news anyway. who cares. zelda #492 and pokemon #218? no
>>343520259
>nintendo
>based
come again?
>>OPS image
>>Nintendo's legal page
HA. HAHAHAHHAHAHA.
Nintendo literally doesn't even follow their own rules. Video related. Their online store is full of pirated ROMs. None of this shit matters:
https://youtu.be/HLWY7fCXUwE?t=13m58s
Now that this is cleared up, lets give this legal shit a break-down.
>>it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the internet
This sounds like something written by an old man who doesn't understand how things work, and certainly not by a technical-savy lawyer.
Their own online store downloads and plays ROMs from the internet. When you play one of their old games on a new console, it has to download a ROM from the internet.
Technically, by their super vague and limited description, their own store is illegal.
>>343525151
When I used to play my 3DS, I was shocked, literally shocked, that they would dare to sell NES games for $5 and not even all NES games. Just the handful nintendo had the property rights to like; metroid, mario and such. I was shocked because there was an on going steam sale at the time, where I could purchase AAA quality games for $10-$5.
NES games should've been 99cents, and they "should" have had the full catalog. It was just another example of Nintendo being so fucking far behind the times.
>>343520259
yeah man, so based they don't cut their fanbase any slack whatsoever and rigidly pursue anything they mistakenly view as a threat, with unfair DMCAs and C&Ds
also i love how quickly they went back on this:
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-properties-can-officially-be-used-for-fan-projects
right after iwata died and mario maker came out, they completely reversed their stance and went back to attacking fanworks protected under fair use, parody, etc
>>343525548
>laws
>vague
Ignoring OP's obvious falseflag, all fucking laws are vague and riddled with loopholes
>>343525681
Are you being ironic or...?
>>343525681
Pretty much. I've been buying early 2000s games for one dollar a pop on Steam.
>>343525685
That entire thing was a mistranslation. It was only intended for a competition on Nicovideo.
>>343520259
>>343520259
Nintendo basically live in a bubble. They don't look to other companies for their own polices (when making the Nintendo Network, they didn't even know that Xbox had set a precedence for how this shit is done) and I'm guessing they don't bother looking at how other companies deal with Let's Players and shit, so they made up their own way of dealing with it.
Which is a little mad.
>>343525712
This is true, however I would at least expect their "legal page" to read more like legalese.
The thing about this is, it's not even really a loophole, it's straight up making their own system not compliant with their legal page.
That sounds like shooting yourself in the foot really.
>>343525793
No, just providing a personal example of mine from the past. It was 2012, my wii was long stashed away in a closet some where and I went to their online store for the first time back then.
I remembered how offended I was. I remembered well enough that I could retell that story to random people on the internet 4 years later.
Emulation is the greatest thing
>>343520259
Literally who gives a fuck
They don't like it and they can't do shit to stop it. This is the position of every dev who hasn't somehow convinced themselves that it's good for the, because they can't fucking change it anyways.
>>343526016
You are offended at $5 games? Considering they were at least $20 (without inflation) before?
What the fuck?
>>343520259
>in addition the assumption that the games involved are vintage or nostalgia games are incorrect nintendo is famous for bring back to life it's popular characters for newer systems
>super mario world isn't a nostalgic game because we still make new super mario bros U 3D coin rush
>you don't need to play those old outdated games just buy the new versions they are so much better
>nintendo is famous for bring back to life it's popular characters for newer systems
good one
Almost every fucking game company said that at one point of time
>>343523663
Sega is a poor, irrelevant company that no one cares about.
>>343525878
show me where anyone ever clarified it was a mistranslation please
Emulation is fine as long as the game being emulate is literally never going to re-released. Like yeah, it's illegal to pirate Chip and Dale rescue rangers for the NES but literally nobody is going to attempt to release it again. Jack Bros on the virtual boy? That shit ain't going anywhere. In these cases I think it's fine, particular as old tech falls into obscurity and becomes increasingly harder to find or properly set up.
>>343526330
Nintendo sells 30 year old games for $5. meanwhile EA (yes, fucking EA) repeatedly gave away free 7-8 year old games.
>>343521120
i seriously want to know how Rare Replay runs so smoothly, cuz there would need to be an N64 emulator on the disc right?
>>343521152
>Doing what you suggest would harm their brand value
apparently they also fear that sexy pictures of peach also would harm their brand value
>>343526467
I got Zelda Picross for free and it was released this year.
>>343526330
>You are offended at $5 games? Considering they were at least $20 (without inflation) before?
Anon, you little shit. I'm 32, you don't need to be giving me a lecture on how pricey past games where when I bought Forsaken 64 for $82 USD in 1999 with my mcjob at the time.
>>343526794
It will though?
How will it not since they cater to families?
>>343526824
I remember I bought one on 1995 for $20 is bucks. Forgot which game though. Earned the cash by raking leaves at my neighbours. I guess they just took pity on me since I really wanted the game
I don't really play nintendo games, just got Dolphin to emulate playing melee over netplay. Then again, I did buy the gamecube adapter off of Nintendo for that so I guess that emulation's paid for itself
>>343526958
there is porn of every fucking thing on the planet. everyone else seems to understand that it cannot be erased. what a waste of a nintendo employee's time, looking specifically for nintendo lewds to be offended by so they can send out C&D
>>343522328
are you fucking kidding me, it's bad enough people have had to buy eshop games multiple times, at some point in everyone's life they have bought super mario world or whatever, most have already paid for these roms thrice over in the last 20 years.
>>343527165
It's just that one employee doing their own shit. I find it hard to believe the company actually ordered them to do it. Likely some autistic 'PEACH IS PURE' kid
>>343527397
no, it's a nintendo lawyer, or someone ordered to find things "harmful to their brand image"
if it were some random sperg they wouldn't be sending out official legal notice and invoking the Millennium Act
Even if you take money out of the equation, emulation of an old NES/GB/whatever game is simply quicker and easier than making a purchase. I could get SMB3 up and running from nothing in more or less 2 minutes.
>Ninja Gaiden
>Blinx
>Crimson Sea
>Jet Set
>Metal Wolf
>Crimson Skies
>Panzer Dragoon
>Otogi
>Murakumo
>[more]
>still no high compatibility xbox emulator
>>343520259
This is actually lame as hell. They need to make those games available to purchase or shut the fuck up.
>>343526451
http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-ips-can-officially-be-used-for-fan-projects-endorsement-scheme-announced-for-japan/
>Update:Some clarification (and partial corrections) via the source below: the Creative Endorsement Program was originally created by Niconico and its parent company Dwango – not Nintendo. It was originally started in 2011 to reward creators who made highly-viewed videos. Nintendo’s announcement was that its games will soon be eligible for the program.
>>343529457
Could be worse. Could be Sega Saturn
>>343520259
>but you gotta respect them for taking a stance.
Why?
it's a waste of money and resources.
>>343520259
Why are they bothered by unavailable games (that they don't even place on the online store)? They mention revenues a few times, but those games gets them no money.
>>343520928
Because Nintendo regularly ports their old games into new consoles, they also support their virtual consoles. They don't let any of their IPs fall into abandonware category.
I like how they don't implement invasive DRM and their consoles are easily hacked. But honestly I wouldn't mind their stance on piracy if they would just have a good account system where my retro game purchases and saves are tied to my account, physical is getting too expensive. They would get so much money this way I don't know why they haven't done it.
>>343520259
Nintendo has some weird policies
At least the first point kinda makes sense
>>343526423
>Sega
>Literally the kings of Pachinko
>Poor
Nigga, videogames are just a hobby for the entire corporation at this point, they're the company that Konami wishes they could be.
>>343520928
Because Nintendo can still sell most of their old games for money.
>>343520259
Nintendo is dying because they do stupid shit like that. Youtubers are basically free advertisement, and fighting emulation and piracy is a waste of time. The best thing for Nintendo to do at this point is become third party if the nx doesn't do well except for their handhelds, and stop all their heavy handed retardation.
>>343526423
"look at me, i'm the bitter genesis-era sonic fanboy that hates everything since sonic went 3d. and ignores anything else sega did their entire existence."
>>343520259
nintendo is the worst. trust me, people playing vidya on emulators are not lost sales. i'm not gonna pay $300 to play fucking pokemon. sorry
> people unironically care about youtubers
>>343520674
What are you talking about? Piracy is pretty much dead with the advent of Denuvo. Every large company fought piracy, and they won. The only games that can still be pirated are shitty indie games nobody cares about anyway.
>>343521453
Nintendo is SHIT at emulating their own games.
Sony on the other hand are pretty much masters at it.
>>343520259
Its a shitty stance since most of what you want to pirate are not commercially available.
Theoretically, you could buy used/decaying hardware, a CRT, AA batteries, etc. and play these ancient games on their console proper, but it's infinitely easier and more economical to use an emulator.
Instead of hating on emu, they should be supporting it. Take advantage of the opportunities given by the internet, don't stifle them.
