Holy shit this game is easy so far. I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging. Does it get more difficult at any point? Kirby thread I guess.
>>343487547
>kirby games
>hard
(You)
>>343487547
Kirby games are for literal children
>>343487547
Outside of insta-death crushing or bottomless pits, recent Kirby games have no reasonable way of killing you outside the final boss.
Barely any regular enemies are ever on screen, the ones that are present mostly stand in place, and Kirby's ability movesets keep becoming stronger with more i-frames protecting you.
I still enjoy them though.
The point of Kirby is being easy and accessible enough that anyone could get through the end of the main mode, but have enough depth that even hardcore gamers can enjoy it, with 100% being a challenge (in theory)
Start paying attention to the moveset of each ability, things get tougher near the end, and don't forget to try out the extra modes you get once you beat the main game
>>343488221
I think some of the enemy count is accounted for in the amount of environmental hazards the current level design features, not to mention older games had denser and smaller levels while currently they're spread out so the same amount of enemies aren't all on screen at once.
Though there are other factors at play with the difficulty, the expanded mobility, ease of control and ability flexibility makes avoiding damage easier, as well as the variable health system as supposed to a set amount of pips.
>>343488979
>with 100% being a challenge (in theory)
It almost never is.
>>343489241
There is a difference between challenge and difficulty, a challenge will test your abilities and ask something out of you, whether fulfilling said challenge was any difficult is pretty subjective
Kirby 100% has never been particularly difficult, its always been reasonable and doable, but you will have to go out of your way past what beating a level requires to what extra modes and collectibles require. When it comes to things like the True Arena, it does require proficiency with abilities, and PR even punishes cheesing it.
>>343490358
only with one move that is heavily telegraphed
>>343490358
>and PR even punishes cheesing it
It does? I would have beat it first try if it weren't for that suicide attack from the last boss which unlike literally every other attack in every other Kirby game ignores whether you're invincible or not.
Is that the "punishment" you're referring to? Is that literally it? Just one attack?
The next Kirby game just needs less invincible frames and ways to cheese things, as well as more moves that punish iFrame abuse that's been so heavy lately, and True Arena can actually be hard
>>343490526
>>343490627
That attack is the least of your worries if you're cheesing the arena, Dedede Clones and Galacta Knight easily fuck you up and most importantly there is no easy way out of the Halberd parts of Star Dream, you either play them right or have no health left for the core
Whether you like 10 minutes of the arena not being Kirby gameplay, it does mean you can't abuse stone/archer/leaf invincibility at the most crucial stage
>>343487780
Sleep tight, borb.
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
who the fuck told you that
even the true arenas don't make up for how simple everything else is
>>343490907
>Dedede Clones
Arrow wrecks their shit. Just don't be a retard and get yourself cornered.
>Galacta Knight
Nope. Not a threat in the slightest.
>there is no easy way out of the Halberd parts of Star Dream
Anon, I got through all but the last attack of true arena my first try with no trouble. That includes Star Dream. And I didn't even know about that barrel roll with shitloads of i-frames at the time.
The "easy way out" is just playing normally. It isn't challenging.
I never thought Kirby's appeal was the difficulty. It is the cute, interesting, and fun level design aspects that make it fun. That and being able to play through the levels in different ways depending on what power you are using.
>>343487780
Sleep tight, Borb.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
You're a dumbass.
>>343491549
Except UFO because lol can't use ladders
>>343491549
Planet Robobot's level design is pretty weak compared to other Kirby games, though.
>>343491779
>weak
Wow, way to show how retarded you are.
>Too Easy
>Obvs never played True Arena.
I've died a few times on the final boss.
Have yet to finish Metta Knightmare Returns.
I heard that the True Arena can be a bitch.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
Who or what the fuck gave you that delusion?
>>343491850
I'm sorry, what?
I don't think kirby has ever been that difficult. Even the true arena can be cheesed with stone.
>>343492223
>there are still people who make ms paint oc on this board
>yfw
>>343492223
>Above: picture of disgruntled resident turned extremist
Kek
>>343491379
>Just don't be a retard
Well that's the point, you can't just be a retard and get through fine. Cheesing is strategies that could get a retard through it, but with three Dedede's stacked up on you there is no damage less way out other than not abusing stationary invincible states and fighting them properly.
Again, I never said it had to be hard, if you're decent at video games it'll be no problem, but you still had to properly manage your health, dodge and attack. And before you say it, yea, that isn't saying much, but if anything it goes to show there's more to it if people still enjoy it regardless of it not being a difficult challenge
>>343492480
the remix is so fucking good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_DGJkON20
>>343491651
And Ghost. If that was in any other game than shitsquad
>>343492739
Squeak Squad had so many things that were SO CLOSE to being really good... but not close enough
>>343487780
Sleep tight borb
>not called the Good night knight
>>343487780
Sleep tight, Borb.
>>343493203
>not nighty night knight
Robobot is excessively easier compared to most of the other Kirby games due to it being more of a collect-a-thon and less of a colorful platformer.
Have fun playing a game made for literal babies for 5 or 6 hours just to have a small taste of the game actually being difficult with True Arena.
>>343493815
>Planet Robobot is more of a collect-a-thin than a colorful platformer
Never did this thought run through my head during my playthrough. Explain please.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging.
Only Kirby's Dream Land in extra mode, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby's Dream Land 2, Kirby Super Star, and several parts of Kirby Air Ride. Probably some other spin-offs that I'm missing.
>>343494907
Every single stage is just a solid, lifeless point A to B, the only divergences on the path are to collect cubes and whatnot. This showcases a lot better if you play Meta Knight Returns, where the entire runthrough showcases how bland the level design is.
>>343494928
>Kirby Super Star
Not with how absurdly OP blocking is.
>you're counting spin-offs
Dream Course motherfucker.
Canvas Curse has it's moments as well I guess.
Also that Puyo Puyo reskin, but it is just a reskin so I feel dirty counting it.
>>343494928
Dream Land 3 is harder than Super Star
>>343495371
>Not with how absurdly OP blocking is.
That's true, thankfully I didn't know about blocking in my original play through. I willingly never block or dodge to get more out of the games.
>>343495443
Dream Land 3 is my favorite Kirby game, and I always saw it as pretty easy. What makes it hard to you?
>>343495516
Parts of the game are kinda bullshit without blocking though, like Computer Virus.
>>343495371
Counting the reskin of Puyo is kind of cheating yeah
Puyo as a whole is way harder, at least on the last level where everything falls super fast.Games where Carbuncle is the secret boss are even harder because he has absurd damage output and good formations
>>343495669
Tougher but not bullshit, just gotta get good at dodging.
>>343495669
>blocking computer virus
That literally turns the entire fight into cheese due to how it works
>>343495905
>literally [figurative term]
>>343496053
>no counter argument
>better nitpick the phrasing
Adventure is probably the hardest Kirby game.
>>343492223
>>343492558
Ho ho ho, anon. Make more.
>>343496159
>implying i disagree with what you said
>assuming there is an argument
>>343495905
You're absolutely meant to block though, or at the very least abuse i-frames. Attacks like that dragon's fast as shit star shots should be proof enough of that.
Look, if you ever get the chance, try fighting Computer Virus without blocking, and without using an ability.
You'll understand.
Or hell, just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92MLiVYDL-k
>have difficulty options
>easy is the same Kirby game style
>hard has the common enemies feel more like actual adversaries, a bit more health and oomph to justify all the shit you can do with just one ability
How good of an idea is this?
>>343496813
Just have normal be normal Kirby difficulty, and have hard be like Dream Land's extra mode.
There's no need for an easy.
>>343496698
Why are you tacking "without using an ability" onto the conversation? The point was using shield makes it too easy, but obviously you're going to use a power. They even hand them to you very frequently.
>>343496698
We only discussed blocking and computer virus, nothing about abilities
>>343496813
A very good one. All Kirby needs is to be less durable and to have more, stronger, and quicker enemies coming at him.
>>343496987
>They even hand them to you very frequently
Yeah, there's a reason for that.
Because you are meant to be blocking, or abusing i-frames (can only be done through abilities as far as I know), or a lot of shit is almost undodgeable.
The point of trying what I'm suggesting about is that if you did it, you would be very familiar with how much you are intended to block or abuse i-frames to get through the fight. There would not be a single doubt in your mind about the truth of that statement.
>>343497372
You're given abilities so you can hit Computer Virus at any time it's "your turn" moron
>>343497372
I don't see how those 2 things relate.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
>>343497771
I'm positive that's the primary reason, but I don't agree that that's the only reason.
>>343497790
It relates because if I say "if you don't block, that dragon's fast as shit star attack is basically unavoidable" you would point out things abilities can do like grabbing stars, or using attacks with i-frames.
Without abilities there are no i-frames afaik.
That's it, really.
Fire up Super Star in your emulator of choice and try dodging that star attack from that dragon if you honestly believe the game doesn't fully intend that you block or abuse i-frames for Computer Virus.
Is that better? No "tacking things on" to get hung up on here, right? Just dodge that attack, like was suggested is a reasonable course of action here: >>343495751
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging.
you thought WRONG
>>343498672
jump and inhale, without abilities
You also have a slide function, slide away from the attack
>>343499083
>jump and inhale, without abilities
Go ahead and try it.
>You also have a slide function, slide away from the attack
lolno, won't do shit.
>>343487780
Sleep tight, Borb
>>343498672
>abilities can do like grabbing stars, or using attacks with i-frames.
What the fuck does that have to do with your shield
>>343499187
>go ahead and try it
I do almost yearly. Seems like you're just not very good at the game.
>>343499832
Nothing, but they are ways you could "dodge" without blocking.
>>343499885
I doubt you do.
>>343499931
>Nothing, but they are ways you could "dodge" without blocking.
That was the original point. You don't need to block at all, thanks for agreeing.
>I doubt you do.
I doubt that you doubt me. You believe me, you're very impressed, you wish you were my friend, and nothing you can say will convince me that I'm wrong.
>>343500518
>You don't need to block at all, thanks for agreeing.
I literally never said otherwise.
I said:
>>343495669 some parts of the game are kinda bullshit without blocking
and
>>343496698 you're absolutely intended to block, or at the very least abuse i-frames for the Computer Virus fight.
I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that the game fully expects you to use one of its core mechanics in just a single one of its fights, but whatever.
>I doubt that you doubt me
I doubt that you doubt that I doubt you.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging.
>>343501362
>you're absolutely intended to block
>or not, you're more intended to use abilities well
Good argument.
>>343501604
>or not, you're more intended to use abilities well
Wow, more things I literally never said.
>gong through True Arena with ESP and reached final round with only half health
JUST
>>343501727
paraphrasing of "or at the very least abuse i-frames" which was obviously the intended strategy as they hand you abilities every other turn. Blocking was an afterthought to the game.
>>343502059
>paraphrasing
You can't paraphrase for shit, dude.
When things like "or at the very least" somehow turn into "actually never mind lol, this other method is far more intended", it's time to stop.
I don't think all abilities even have methods of getting i-frames, and when you have no ability you certainly don't, so obviously blocking is the more intended method for avoiding attacks that come out fast as shit with no forewarning and are incredibly difficult to dodge.
>Blocking was an afterthought to the game.
Overall: absolutely.
For Computer Virus: no.
>>343493815
>>343495176
Dude, what? Unless you're playing Amazing Mirror or Great Cave Offensive, Kirby has always been point A to B with occasional collectible divergences. I don't understand how you say it's less of a platformer, but give it a basic platformer description.
>>343502610
>lol
I metaphorically never ever said that.
>>343502765
I was paraphrasing.
>>343502794
>I want to kiss you.
A-anon~
THERES MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A KIRBY
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
anon...
There's only two challenging Kirby games.
Avalanche and Drum Dash Deluxe. At least getting all plat.
>>343487547
It doesn't get hard until world 5
>>343502649
I think what he means is that the levels are all pretty basic move left to right through largely flat area affairs, while earlier Kirby games had comparatively complex levels with more variety in design.
I don't know if I agree with that or not (I did find running through with Meta Knight real dull like he says), but that's the feeling I get from his post.
>>343487547
>I thought Kirby games were supposed to be challenging
I have never played kirby: the post
>>343487547
Kirby games were never intended to be challenging, faggot, until the Arena/True Arena. Prove you can finish the game, then the post game ramps up difficulty until your ass bleeds. That is... unless you think your tough enough.
>>343504215
True Arena is only really hard in SSU and TD.
Helper to Hero with certain abilities is harder
>>343504215
>I started playing Kirby with Triple Deluxe
Okay
>>343492223
This is great.
>>343492223
saving this kek
>>343503467
Why didn't they use any of the classic Kirby music for Right Back at Ya?
>>343504403
There were various remixes in Hoshii no Kaabi that weren't in Right Back At Ya! for licensing reasons
Most of Kirby Air Ride's soundtrack is grabbed directly from Hoshii no Kaabi
This includes Item Bounce, Checker Knights, and Final Nebula
