Can we all agree that the Basara series is the GOAT musou?
Yes. I like Dynasty Warriors and all, but Basara is more fun to play.
Yes. Basara is fucking awesome. Too bad it'll never ever be released in the west again.
I'm kinda glad they announced all of SB4 cast is playable in Yukimura-den even if only in bonus mode. So this will be sort of small expansion to Sumeragi which lacks any bonus gameplay modes.
I'm hyped for the new game come August. As long as they're giving the other characters updated moves as well.
> We will never have another centered on based Nobunaga.
The Odas gets no love in this series.
>>343483904
Don't you mean devil kings?
Azure Dragon a best.
>>343488451
>As long as they're giving the other characters updated moves as well
Not gonna happen. Sumeragi's cast is clearly just a bonus and will be unchanged. You can even see SB4's Yukimura and Masamune separated from their new movesets.
>>343488814
I'm still mildly confused on what this game is supposed to be. I'm aware it's Yukimura's 500th anniversary and all that. Is this game supposed to be more serious and all that?
>>343489004
>Is this game supposed to be more serious and all that?
Considering Masayuki's moveset - no, not really. I guess it'll be a bit more historically accurate this time but that's it.
>what this game is supposed to be
A cash grab I guess. Basara's sales are not that high sadly. They can't just jump into making SB5 so they need these -den games to try something different with the series.
>>343489305
I would actually go cap someone if they would make a game centered around Honouji and you get to playthrough the game as Oda, from when he started to his "death". Since he doesnt really do that in this world.
I thought Basara was selling like hot cakes since they have like 3 season of anime and all that. Plus every game they released there always has to be the two twinks to appeal to the fujos.
>>343489953
>I thought Basara was selling like hot cakes
Not really. Capcom fucked up with expensive SB3 western release and never tried to bring series overseas again. And sales in Japan also not that great, around 200-300k for Sumeragi I think. That's the reason why there's no Nouhime, Ranmaru and side modes in Sumeragi. But I guess Basara as a franchise IS quite popular considering all the merchandise they have. It's just games don't really sell that well.
They really need to give series another chance in the west. Maybe with digital and subtitles only release.
How do the Sengoku Basara games differ from your typical Dynasty/Samurai Warriors games and the other spin-off Musou games?
I've been a fan of them my whole life but only recently got a PS3 and will try them out once I finish with Ken's Rage, but I'd like to know what sets them apart
Thanks
>>343491174
Basara games have actual combat system with a lot of action game fundamentals like cancels, just moves, charges and shit like that. Each character is unique and all of them play different from each other. It's almost like DMC lite but with 40 playable characters.
>>343491174
DMC lite with zero clones
>>343491460
That sounds great and I'll definately check it out but to be fair, with the exception of just moves, you can do all of that in Musou games, there's just no reason to unless you feel like it, which is what that WebM shows to me. Either way it's the coolest shit, thanks for replying
>>343491757
>you can do all of that in Musou games
Not really. Musou is just fun button masher. You just press SSSTT with all characters to see cool animations and kill hundreds gooks and that's it. There's little to none character diversity in musou (at least in DW\SW never played others). You can't do much with combat system just because there's nothing to toy around with. But musou is still fun in it's own way.
Also, Tadakatsu Honda in Basara is fucking gundam who can fly and enter siege mode to fire his cannons and have a fucking gunlance from Moster Hunter. Where else can you find this kind of crazy shit?
It's a pretty fun series.
>>343492545
Best army
>>343492707
>liking that hypocritical piece of garbage that lies behind the concept of "bonds"
Mitsunari was right.
also post mains.
Basara has neat backstory.
>>343492918
Literal Sex coming right up
>>343493106
>has second sword
>never uses it
>>343490625
Pretty much - Capcom vastly overestimated sales in the west and went in guns blazing with quality localization. SB3 for the Wii was MILES ahead of what KOEI was doing for their Dynasty and Samurai Warriors at the time when it came to production values and dub jobs. Like, it actually had a really good dub.
>>343493252
if i read correctly, i think its because it's a collectible he really loves and keeps with him, hence not using it at all
>>343492918
POSTING BEST CHARACTER
>dat speed buff
>dat Shuichi Ikeda
>dat personal seal
all he needs was the Char theme song and we're good.
>>343493506
>ZA WARUDO: The character
kickass theme too
>>343493443
I know. It's just such a tease.
>>343493414
Dub was fantastic, yes. But they completely failed in advertisement of a game. All they needed was some competent cuhrayzee gameplay videos to build some hype and interest from the crowd but they never did any. It's a common problem of action games when videos and streams have incompetent players who just not gud enough to show what this game is actually about.
>>343483904
>>343492918
One thing I love about this series is it's takes on various characters are completely different than the usual ones that we are familiar with.
They turned Nobunaga into Satan,
Sen no Rikyu into a bipolar murderer
Honda into Gundam
and Mitsuhide into a deranged psychopath. Which is cool since most of the time we get the goodie betraying Oda for a noble cause Mitsuhide instead of this guy.
I guess motorcycle riding Date is cool as well, and they also literally made him Dante
>>343493414
>dat OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwqV_5p9_I
>>343493414
It's fun to compare how Samurai Warriors and Sengoku Basara do their character designs. Some are incredibly different.
>>343494250
>oda
>not always satan
Is 3 still fun? I ain't buying a PS4 anytime soon, and I really want a game in this style
>>343494250
>They turned Nobunaga into Satan,
I love how SB's Nobunaga is Onimusha's cranked up even more.
>>343492545
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life
Do I pick up 3?
>>343494521
Sumeragi and upcoming Yukimura-den game are on PS3 as well. But yeah, SB3 is where series became really great gameplay wise, it's still super fun.
>>343494521
>Is 3 still fun?
Yes. Its the best one you can get in English. Emulated amazingly well, too.
>>343494373
>japanese gun man turns into aryan grill
Sasuga
>>343494434
In Basara 1 and 2 he was only a really fucking powerful warlord, it wasn't until 3 that they gave him the whole coming back from hell schtick and the like.
Hell in 4, one of his storylines is that he gets murdered by Mitsu so he can go into another reality and kill himself in that reality because he fucking can.
Although I'd like to see a reality where Mitsuhide usurped Oda's power would be, liek maybe steals his crown and shit like in Utage.
>>343492545
DW/SW are KOEI's mainline entries and they have so many characters making them all play distinctly different is pretty much impossible. Their licensed games have vastly different gameplay styles for characters, though. Especially Pirate Warriors and Hyrule Warriors.
>>343494728
Samurai Heroes is the best place to start since it has full translation. Great introduction to the series but only has like 16 characters. After that you can play Utage and Sumeragi.
If you're not afraid of spending some time to get used to japanese menus you can start right from Sumeragi which is the latest game with much improved mechanics and 40 characters.
>>343494373
Seeing SW's chosokabe's design really makes me want a rockstarish character in Basara, like something completely ridiculous since it's Basara.
>>343495363
Is this a new meme?
>>343495363
wanna know the answer?
check my 1
What's the best SB game to get? Just the latest?
>>343495531
SB4 Sumeragi
>>343495531
Pretty much. But you can start from Utage too because it's amazing game and you'll appreciate changes in Sumeragi more.
>>343495801
>>343495573
Is either of them available in English? I can't read Kanji, so menus would be a hassle.
>>343494825
And for those who don't want the english cast, there is a UNDUB version floating around.
basara needs a shitload more mooks like musou, I spend more time running around in basara rather than hitting shit
at least musou got the moving around part covered with hyper attacks
>>343495130
Thanks again man, I'm looking forward to it
>>343496037
english dub is cool tho
>>343496320
Are the snow rednecks still a thing in the dub?
>>343496068
>with hyper attacks
Only with SW4. And hyper attachs are kinda became boring after a while.
>>343496541
DW8 has rage musou though
>>343496410
Those guys aren't even in SB3.
>>343496068
>at least musou got the moving around part covered
You can fucking surf on fire anchor in Basara.
>>343496629
They cut hammer loli?
>>343497015
they cut her out and Ranmaru.Also replacing Ranmaru with the infinitely inferior and more annoying Shrine Maiden Arrow loli
>>343497015
Yeah.
>>343497121
Hey! Shut your god damn mouth! Tsuru is awesome.
>>343492545
Not trying to defend DW/SW or anything, but just because the combat isn't as deep as SB, that doesn't mean you can't do cool shit in it. Vid related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lcA_5kRKY
>>343497256
She's fun.
Is it worth importing the newest SB for PS4? I wanna be a speed demon with Mitsunari again.
>>343497256
Ranmaru was better.
>>343497336
She has best character theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFgA1BC6nLA
and best stage theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqUDFcVWAPQ
>>343497121
They'll come back as sexy teens i can feel it.
>>343497548
Absolutely. Game is great.
>>343497616
They're pretty good yeah.
should I even give a shit about the story because everything seems chronologically fucked up
>>343494373
I prefer Basara over Musou, but Musou Hanbei looks a lot more fun than his Basara counterpart.
Here's an important question: does in-game Masamune have VA by Kazuya Nakai full of bad engrish?
>>343497850
Not really. Dialogs and characters interactions can be pretty entertaining but there's no main story whatsoever just a lot of weird plot lines. Just enjoy the craziness and fun gameplay.
>>343497714
Cool. My next pay cheque will be going to that then.Fuck me, I wish these games were still getting dubbed. SB3 had phenomenal English voice-acting.
>>343497850
There isn't much of a point really.
>>343497983
Of corush
>>343497983
putcho gans own
>>343494373
Basara is based around doing something absolutely ridiculous out of serious historical war for maximum fun. Musou I think doesn't go quite the distance enough for that and stops too early to be as fun but still too far to be accurate.
>>343494373
God bless the capcom design team
>>343497983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA9fXmBz_bU
see for yourself.
>>343497681
if only. And bring back nouhime as a sexy milf. But he gunslinger slot has been taken by Magoichi so they probably have to pull an Ieyasu with them and give her new moves or something.
>>343498737
>and give her new moves or something.
I guess that would be okay.
>>343498737
They already said in interview they wanted to give her gun-kata moveset but didn't have enough budget to include her and Ranmaru into Sumeragi. I bet if SB5 will ever be made, she and Ranmaru will be hyped to death as main selling point of a game.
best thing to come out of Basara 3
>>343491460
i've been seeing that "Just move" or "just frame" term a lot but can't search up that term relevant to video games, what does this mean?
Until SB5 where we can see all of them together again.
>>343496541
after beating SW4 i really came to dislike the hyper attacks. It completely made the trash obsolete. I really wish they'd go back to their DW4/SW2 roots instead of just trying to fit as many mindless mooks on screen as possible
I just want a new translated sengoku basara. I wouldn't even mind if it was a dub again cause it was a very decent dub. I don't really mind playing the games in nip cause I know some of my moon runes, but I want it to be more popular
>>343492918
Whipping bitches all over the battlefield all day erry day.
>>343499161
Moves that require strict timings. Like if you evade attack JUST before it hits you - you'll get "just dodge" instead of usual dodge. If you block attack JUST before it hits you - you'll do a parry instead of block. If you release charge of a move JUST when it reaches the charge - move will be more powerfull or gain some new properties. I guess you got the idea.
>>343499398
oh okay, i'd never heard that term before, would usually have thought of that as a "perfect" block or "perfect" dodge etc. thanks anon
>>343499398
/v/ ruined JUST for me
>>343499334
This is the cross we must bear.
>>343499334
Japanese companies can be quite retarded when it comes to marketing. A lot of great series are underrated because of that. Yakuza and Virtua Fighter come to mind when I think about great franchises completely dead in the west because of publisher's stupid decisions.
>>343499560
I use it because of Just-Guarding in Soul Calibur and honestly I don't hear it used a lot outside of that, there are a lot of different terms for it depending on what game you're talking about but it's all the same thing
>>343493414
Samurai Heroes is fantastic by dub standards. Mitsunari is the only Troy Baker role I've genuinely enjoyed.I actually find myself preferring his interpretation of the character to the original.
>>343496629
>>343497015
>>343497121
>>343497175
Her voice actress died 5 years ago.
>>343500116
It's pretty general term in fighting games and action games actually share terms with fighting games. I'm actually surprised some people didn't know what "just" move is.
>>343500318
I know.
>>343500318
Whoa, wait what? I didn't know that.
>>343499047
My nigga. That little bastard never fails to make me smile whenever he's onscreen.
>>343501052
Too bad his gameplay sucks.
I actually really surprised with the intergration of tenkai and his dynamic with hot pot boy. It's oddly adorable
>>343501120
You take that back, heathen.It's just mostly awful. Don't tell me you don't get a kick out of singing and dancing unbelievers to death?
>>343501310
Well, somebody had to protect him from Grandpa Mouri.
>>343501357
I just don't really like those "joke characters" all that much. Sorin just feels weird because of his platform I guess so I never actually played him.
Basara's biggest downfall is godawful stages and 99% of enemies being literal mooks.
>>343494373
Pretty much the only things BASARA has over Musou's designs:
>Nobunaga voiced by Wakamoto
>edgelady Oichi
>XTREME DATE
>>343502116
>godawful stages
There's nothing awful about them, it's stupid meme. SB4 has few annoying stages, yes, but others are absolutely fine.
>99% of enemies being literal mooks
That's just a lie. There's a lot of special types of enemies and unique enemy formations. Plus, mooks actually fight you in Basara and on heaven difficulty they can chunk like half of your life in one combo.
Ranmaru being an actual little boy is creepy. The generic twink design works much better.
Has there even been a peep about localizing it here again? Musou games are still going pretty strong here, especially thanks to Hyrule Warriors. Or is it more of a Koei dominated thing now?
>>343502510
It probably sold too low for Capcuck to ever reconsider.
Doesn't help either that Sengoku era is more obscure than Three Kingdoms.
>>343502586
Different anon, but is that why Dynasty Warriors became a thing before Samurai Warriors did?
>>343502354
It's okay to be a fan of the series but you're just letting your fanboy show. Most of the stages revolve around go to area X and kill the camp faggot to capture that - repeat until you get to the last guy.
That's almost it.
>That's just a lie.
Special type of enemy is still a mook. Not a named officer. Basically only big battles avoid that problem, like Sekigahara.
>Plus, mooks actually fight you in Basara and on heaven difficulty they can chunk like half of your life in one combo.
Applies to all the fucking musous, man. You pick the hardest difficulty in a musou and you get damage sponge mooks that take 1/10th of your hp with one hit.
>>343502679
>go to area X and kill the camp faggot
A how is this an awful stage again? Every fucking action game is like that. Stages have unique enemy formations, unique gimmicks and events. That's more that enough to keep things fresh and let you enjoy the combat.
>Special type of enemy is still a mook
So what did you expect then? Entire stage filled with boss fights? There's boss rush stage for that if that's what you want.
>Applies to all the fucking musous, man
No. Their AI and agression doesn't change, only damage and HP.
>you get damage sponge mooks that take 1/10th of your hp with one hit
And you can do nothing against it. In Basara you actually can maintain right pace of crowd control and fight them.
There's nothing fanboyish about all that. I enjoy both musou and Basara for different reasons.
>>343502653
Hardly, considering Koei is Japanese.
>>343502586
>Doesn't help either that Sengoku era is more obscure than Three Kingdoms.
Like hell it is. You have shittons of Sengoku related stuff everywhere in Jap games and media but when it comes to Three Kingdoms you have RotK and DW as "basically, that's it".
>>343503006
>A how is this an awful stage again?
Because it's the same fucking shit of going from one area to the next killing the immobile faggot that """""defends"""" the camp.
>That's more that enough to keep things fresh and let you enjoy the combat.
Like hell it is. Mooks are mooks, even if you give them the special "ninja" tag or "tiger".
> Entire stage filled with boss fights?
More like just more named officers than nameless mooks fucking everywhere, like in pretty much every other musou in existence.
>No. Their AI and agression doesn't change, only damage and HP.
Sure, sure.
>And you can do nothing against it.
Yes you fucking can. You fucking kill them before they kill you. In WO3 for example having cyclone weapon will obliterate mooks but if you still get caught you will die.
>There's nothing fanboyish about all that.
You're making excuses for its flaws, dude.
>Sumeragi's DLC never was uploaded for CFW users
What a fucking shame.
>>343503212
>Because it's the same fucking shit
Wow, I guess you expected some racing in action game, right?Basara has it though.
>Mooks are mooks, even if you give them the special "ninja" tag or "tiger".
Yeah. In musou. Basara's ninjas actually can do a lot of cool shit. And every enemy type can do different attacks, gather in different formations and fuck you up pretty fast on highest difficulty.
>More like just more named officers than nameless mooks
Yeah, because those nameless officers fights were so """""fun""""" in musou! Basara's boss battles like ten times better.
>like in pretty much every other musou in existence
Basara is not a musou, retard.
>Sure, sure.
You didn't play the game I guess.
>You fucking kill them before they kill you
This require good weapon. With shit weapon they'll just slaughter you and you can do nothing in return.
>You're making excuses for its flaws, dude.
I'm just surprised how buttblasted one musoufag can be. It's especially ridiculous considering how repetetive SW4 is. Every stage and every character is absolutely the same. You just press triangle to rush through mooks and then press squre to kill officers. But somehow Basara has bad stages, yeah. You don't sound like a smart person, anon. Sorry.
>>343503034
>Like hell it is
Chinese people don't care about Japan's civil wars.
>>343503686
>Wow, I guess you expected some racing in action game, right?
No you idiot, I'm expecting level designs that aren't so fucking samey it hurts. Different location matters fuckall when you just keep on beating that nameless, immobile camp faggot again and again and again and again.
>Yeah. In musou.
And in basara as well. Special tagged enemies are STILL MOOKS.
>Yeah, because those nameless officers fights were so """""fun""""" in musou!
Nameless? They're not nameless you dumbass. They literally have names.
>Basara's boss battles like ten times better.
They're not that special, dude. Not to mention they amount to only a little portion of the game.
>Basara is not a musou, retard.
It literally is. How is it not a musou when it's based on the exact same principle of beating shittons of enemies (only this time it's 99.9% mooks) while progressing through a stage/battle to get to the main objective?
>This require good weapon. With shit weapon they'll just slaughter you and you can do nothing in return.
You won't fucking go to hardest difficulty with your non-enchanted starter weapon.
>Every stage and every character is absolutely the same.
As much as I dislike Hyper Attack that's just plain fucking stupid claim. And that's just SW4, which is the only musou with such an attack.
> and then press squre to kill officers.
You don't use triangle, R1 or anything else? Too hard for you?
>But somehow Basara has bad stages, yeah.
How does hyper attack correlate to bad stages? Come the fuck on. Much less prove that Basara has good stages.
>>343503249
What kind of a faggot does it make me if I think boob jiggle on Magoichi's Jill outfit is so-so, but physics on her jacket are great?
>>343504385
>aren't so fucking samey it hurts
Yet it's not a problem in musou, where everything is 10 times more repetetive? Nice one, anon.
>Special tagged enemies are STILL MOOKS.
There're regular enemies and there're bosses. That's how action games work. You fight regular enemies (which have a lot of different types and formations in Basara unlike musou) and then you fight boss(es) (which again is much more fun to fight in Basara). I don't see any problem here. You can scream MOOKS for all eternity, it doesn't add any sense to your complain.
>They're not that special, dude'
They're great fun and actually let you play with rich combo system of Basara if you're into things like that. Considering how different each character in Basara - every boss fight is different and fun. In musou you just switch from mashing triangle to mashing square and every fight is the same.
>It literally is
It literally not. Musous made by Koei and has "musou" in the title, dumdum.
>You won't fucking go to hardest difficulty with your non-enchanted starter weapon.
Because combat is shit and you can't survive. In Basara you can be gud enough to do it.
>You don't use triangle, R1 or anything else?
You just press SSSTT and then just parry them for cinematic finisher.
>How does hyper attack correlate to bad stages?
Every stage is EXACTY the same. You just rush with hypers through it and that's it. In Basara you have gimmicks and unique stages. There's already much more variery.
>>343483904
Is this the one with the blond tit monster?
>>343505403
Yes.
>>343488467
>Azure Dragon
I see you're man of culture as well.
But you have to admit Frost was fine too.
>>343505484
Kasuga's busty, but I wouldn't go so far as to call her a tit monster.
>>343505403
Yep.
>>343505493
Q-Ball is the real patrician choice
>>343505551
Eh. I guess so.
>>343505493
SCORPIO!!!
>>343505667
OYAKATASAMA
>>343505663
Kasuga's the total package. Reducing her to just her tits doesn't accurately describe her.
>>343505484
>>343505551
>>343505567
>>343505663
>>343505862
Too bad she is saving herself for Kenshin and only for Kenshin
>>343505630
Q Q Q BALL ROLLING THROUGHOh god why do I remember that
>>343505862
Sure. I suppose.
>>343505862
Well, yeah. She has top tier ass as well.
>>343505903
Exactly. She has a beautiful face, perfect body, she's capable, pure and kindhearted. Kasuga is the perfect waifufor Lord Kenshin
>>343506127
So, who is (s)he?
>>343506264
a complete overpowered character.
>>343505667
ALL FOR THE GLORY OF RED MINOTAUR!!
Seriously though. I prefer the caat of Devil Kings. I love 3 but not having reaper, frost, q-ball, venus, talon or red minotaur be playable made me mad.
>>343506264
Frost.
>>343506264
Japanese God of War
So where the best place to import Sumeragi? How much is all the dlc? I need them costumes.
>>343493506
Other than being a Char, no.
Shibata is best character.
>>343507840
I remember him in 3 but he was just a plain general in one of the armies. What happened?
>>343507840
Shibata has the worst design among all new characters.
>>343507931
He became a Gundam.
Honestly though, he's really fast, hits pretty hard and has an OP combo that can put down Tadakatsu in one string even on extreme.
>>343508301
Thats neat. I more meant he looked nothing like that in 3. Would you happen to know a good place I might import sumeragi? I've almost got the platinum in 3 and i wanna get it for continuing the fun
>>343508482
http://plamoya.com/en/sengoku-basara-4-sumeragi-standard-edition-ps4-p-135281.html
That's where I got mine.
>>343508563
Thanks.i just checked nipon yasan and its about the same. Are there any guides around for filthy eops like myself?
>>343508823
http://www.raindropsanddaydreams.co.uk/2015/04/sengoku-basara-4-sumeragi-reference.html
This should have everything you need to know.
>>343508823
Guide for the game?
http://www.raindropsanddaydreams.co.uk/2015/04/sengoku-basara-4-sumeragi-reference.html
Is pretty good and in depth.
>>343509021
>>343509027
Thanks a lot fellas. Looking forward to it. Wish capcom would just release these here even digital only with no english dub but i guess if it doesn't make them a gorillion dollars it aint worth it
>>343489953
>not wanting Troy Baker to return to his animu roots
It might be just what he needs.
>>343509232
Have fun Anon. Dont forget to take a rest every couple hours.
>>343483904
Basara animes were FUCKING GARBAGE
I mean, REALLY REALLY GARBAGE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
>>343509682
For real. I did like 4 playrhroughs for Tadakatsu's accessories and my hand cramped up
>>343509790
They gave us Mini Sengoku Basara, and that's more than enough for me.
>>343509790
Yeah, it was shit.
nagamasa best character
justice baybee
>>343509790
>watch the anime movie
>literally all i want to see is some well animated crazy fights
>there's only one in the middle
>they beat the antagonist with some friendship laser beam
what a shitshow
>>343510945
>well animated crazy fights
This shit is expensive. That's why DMC anime is a boring mess. Basara was beyond stupid though. They killed like half of a cast in first season and then all of them are magically revived in season two.
>>343511145
>This shit is expensive.
but it was the movie
>>343511213
Come on, it was more like special or something. Shit ova for shit anime.
>>343509790
The Last Party was bretty gud but then Judge End shat all over it. I was so insanely hyped for it and then I had to drop it after four episodes. It was just terrible.
