Should being able to aim be a required skill for competitive FPS?
Learn what hitboxes are then proceed to hang yourself
>>343464214
That doesn't answer the question.
>>343464376
>>343464075
In real life bullets don't fly through a straight path.
Overwatch is just using a realistic approach.
>>343464737
>>343464737
Bullet drop in 5yards? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
People have enough trouble killing Tracer/Genji with the oversized hitboxes.
Can you imagine how it'd be if the hitboxes were accurate?
>>343464851
Is this you?
>>343464818
mere bullet drop
>>343464818
Do you realize that's an ice gun, right?
An ice ray acts differently from a regular solid bullet.
If it wasn't a requirement for Doom, then it shouldn't be a requirement for any other FPS.
>>343464737
Actually it's just making it so that anyone can play the game and feel like they're really playing. It's something added on purpose to increase low skill player enjoyment. You could liken it to aim assist on consoles.
It's because it's a consolefag game.
Is
>you only killed me because my hitbox is huge!!
the new
>You only killed me because I was lagging!
?
>>343465497
You tell me
hitboxes are far more competitive than per poly hit detection luck based gameplay
>>343464075
I feel like the answer should be automatically yes. But then again, who cares?
Stop biching and just wait for Quake Heroes.
>>343465623
>The Special Olympics is more competitive than the standard Olympics
>>343464908
I'm talking about the people I play with. The second someone goes Tracer or Genji on the enemy team it pretty much becomes my responsibility to shut them down because no one else ever seems to do it.
>>343465598
Will Blizzard ever comment on this, or will we continue to see casualshit ruin the FPS genre now.
>>343464376
>/v/ tries to shit all over fighting games for having hitboxes that don't match up the character models
>Overwatch becomes the most popular game on /v/ years with the exact same shit but in an fps
wew
>>343464823
>>343465419
I think he was joking
>>343465904
Pretty sure that glitch was fixed
>>343465904
This was a bug and was addressed.
>>343465419
>and feel like they're really playing
Sad, but sounds true. HOLD X FOR AWESOME and all that.
Holy shit why isn't Overwatch a Quake clone goddamn Blizzard it's like they don't want the massive arena shooter fanbase playing their game
>>343466173
Massive?
The entire worldwide arena shooter fanbase is just 17 people, and that's being optimistic.
>>343465086
go fuck yourself faggot
>>343465821
>will we continue to see casualshit ruin the FPS genre now.
They already did, look at the all the hero shooters coming out
>>343465598
Thats upsetting
Im glad I stopped playing videogames a few years ago so my ideas about whats good aren't tainted
>>343466173
The climate has changed. People like objective-based team games now.
For the older crowd, UT alpha is there to play and a new Quake arena is on the way.
>>343466073
I can't tell anymore. Unless it's extremely over exaggerated, I can't recognize sarcasm from a an actual dumbass's response.
>>343464818
That has to be consoles, right?
>>343466926
Look at the keybinds on the bottom right, it's PC
>>343467028
EVERYONE
GETS
TO
HAVE
FUN
>>343467028
Shit. I was having fun playing it with friends and looking forward to playing competitive, but if this is the state the game is in I'll just stick to quickplay until it gets boring.
>>343464818
>right in the knees
I love it
>>343466824
>im too autistic to recognize basic social cues
>that means the other people are stupid
okay aspie
>>343465821
Guess you're late to the party. Gaming is no longer targeted at the classic gamer in the corporate world. There's more money to be made in catering to people with little or no taste for gameplay or even challenge.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php
>>343464075
Absolutely.
Good thing Overwatch isn't a competetive FPS.
>>343467681
But it has a competitive game mode. Blizzard clearly wants it to be a competitive FPS.
>>343467501
I didn't say others are stupid though. Why would you quote me out of context? Does it make you feel smart?
>>343467902
u have brain aspergers
Overwatch as a FPS it's shit, this game works more like a ASSFAGGOTS because your team can win only with cooperation and coordination.
>>343467681
This shit is going to get an esport for shure, not matter how fucked up the hitboxes are and the fact that you can kill an entire team by pressing Q, they don't give a shit about that, they just want more shekels
>>343468007
>>343464823
When shooting up close with optics you legit have to aim above because of how much higher your optics are physically on your weapon. Unless you have high tech magic optics that compensate and adjust your zero on the go dependant on your target.
I'm sure they didn't actually intend this but I'm posting this to shut your little cock sleeve up.
>>343464376
>>343464376
I got one
>>343464818
That framerate hurts me.
>tf2 has just as bad if not possibly worse hitboxes
>no one cares and just shits all over the newest game
I bet all of you here would defend TF2's shitty mechanics, right?
WEW
>>343470330
Well yeah, lots of people complained about that back then and you know that was in 2007, in Overwatch it's even more laughable because in difference with TF2 this is game is taking itself very serious, like, this is going to be an esport and it got competitive mode.
The fact that the game is casual and easy to play it's not a bad thing, the problem is how far Blizzard is going to push it to a competitive scenario no matter how shitty the hitboxes are and how unfair it is, and the tick rate it's not really good too.
I think bigger characters should have noticed that reflect perfectly what their body shows. Faster smaller characters should have hitboxes a little larger than what they show. Genji and tracer move so fucking fast without the more lenient hitboxes they would be completely broken.
Reminder that anyone that shits on Overwatch for having big hitboxes but then turns around and praises quake is a hypocrite.
I'm glad I didn't fall for this meme game.
>>343464075
No.
t. Polygon
>>343471707
Quake is 20 years old
>>343465809
name a competitive game with per poly hit detection
spoilers: they're all hitbox based, because players do not have control over what their animation looks like when going through the server
>>343471707
Reminder that Overwatch is about 30 times slower than Quake and comes with free auto-aim as well.
>>343471707
Now post an image that shows how old quake is compared to overwatch anon.
>>343471707
Yeah because in Quake you have aimbot, wallhacks and a epic press Q to win abillities
>>343471707
I'm glad we're holding a game from 1996 to 2016 standards. Makes sense.
>>343471405
people mostly complained about the hitbox size of projectiles and facestabs
>>343470330
>Worse
Tf2's have never been that bad.
>>343471912FUCK
There's more people here discussing the shitty hitboxes of Overwatch than people playing Battleborn.
>>343464908
>>343464851
The funny thing about these hit boxes is that it actually gives the more skilled players an advantage. My friends and I have been playing arena FPS since UT99 and its so damn easy to get headshots in Overwatch that it's not even a "maybe I'll get this shot in", its just a guarantee that we count on that certain members of the other team will be die when they're in LoS.
You can't see your own character model so I don't see how it matters, it's not like the game is lying to you about your character's position. You learn your hitbox, not your model.
>>343471838
>>343471893
>>343472084
>ARENA SHOOTERS ARE THE EPITOME OF COMPETITIVE FPS
>W-WHAT? THE HITBOXES ARE HUGE JUST LIKE THIS GAME I'VE DEEMED CASUAL?
>IT'S JUST BECAUSE ITS OLD!
Epic
>>343471912
Soldiers ult lowers his damage output because it doesn't get headshots. Other ultimates have to be used properly or you're just going to get killed while using them because they're so easily telegraphed.
Pretty sad when Battlefield 4 is the best FPS on the market right now.
>>343464075
ITT: Look ma I posted that webm again!!
Bonus points for CSGO rng spray webms
>>343464075
Sounds like the title to a kotaku article
>>343464075
One, the bots have a lot more hitbox padding.
Two, the hitboxes are close enough.
>>343465750
Every Quake game (except 4 which used the exact meshes for hitboxes) has much fatter hitboxes than Overwatch.
>>343472625
Exactly this.
It's the same reason Brawl was so bad and even less new player friendly than Melee was. The higher skilled players had the exact same handicap as everyone else and could just exploit the floaty defensive play the never ever die while being completely untouchable in return.
Aside from like, the tripping I mean.
>>343473590
Actually that's wrong, Quake 4 also used fat hitboxes. Doom 3 used per poly hit detection.
If everyone is playing with the big hit boxes, then no one has an advantage. Your hit box is big, but so is your opponents
>>343473892
People with bad aim have an advantage.
>>343471707
A huge portion of the game's loadout were projectiles in addition to hitscan. Good b8 though, I replied.
>>343472836
Practically speaking, Q has better DPS unless you have a perfect angle lined up. Getting the occasional helix+headshot burst on another Soldier with Q active is satisfying as fuck though.
>>343472836
>IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S OLD!
Nobody said that
People said that it was a game made 20 years ago and as such made for the internet connection at the time
It's no longer the 90's
Standards are different
>>343474027
People with good aim have an advantage. People who rarely missed now almost never missed, while people who missed often now just miss rarely.
When everyone has an equal handicap the most skilled player still had advantage.
>>343474048
And Overwatch doesn't have projectiles?
>>343472509
Why would you put fake teeth on a cat like this?
>>343474146
First of all, learn your tenses. Second of all, you're retarded.
If I have good aim, I can easily outaim a shitter (you) and win, whereas he will have trouble competing. If the hitboxes are big, I get no benefit from that, because I already have good aim, but the shitter (you) will have an easier time competing, because the bigger hitbox will compensate for his shit aim.
>>343474287
Who knows, it's a mystery.
>>343474146
You're really exaggerating. Nobody has practically perfect aim in Overwatchexcept cheaters like Surefour.
>tfw got rank 57 after 8-2
One loss we just got shit on after being 99-0 twice
the other loss we had someone leave
idk if that's a good rank my friends all got in the 40s.
>>343464818
THREE DARTS IS TOO MANY
>>343464075
Yes, unless you have a medigun of course.
Overwatch is my game of the yearbecause everything else is shit, the only game I had fun with is WWE2K16
I enjoy overwatchbut I mostly only play reinhardt where aiming doesn't matter
>>343474364
First off, quit gettin mad at typos you fuckbucket. Second, no, that doesn't make the worse player better, it just means the worse player has an easier time of still losing to the more skilled player.
Great, he now can still be a little bit off and still hit, but if his aim was shit in the first place slightly bigger hitboxes don't give you 100% accuracy. Shitters will still miss, overcompensate, fail to strafe correctly, misuse abilities, misposition themselves.
All larger hitboxes do is lower the skill floor, they have very little impact on the skill ceiling, although Overwatch's shallow nature gives it a pretty low skill ceiling as well.
>>343474490
I never said anyone has perfect aim, I said people who rarely missed will now almost never miss.
>>343474656
So you've got like 80% Soldier 76 or McCree or Widow accuracy?
>>343474656
>mistaking something as simple as tense usage several times in one post
>typos
Stopped reading right there. You're clearly an inbred retard.
>>343474786
>accidentally said missed twice instead of missed and miss
>several
>>343474728
I don't even play Overwatch man I'm talking about large hitboxes in general. Ever played Renegade X? It's super easy to snipe in that game because of the sizeable head hitboxes, to the point I who am a bit of a meh sniper can still land consistent headshots.
I still get pooped on by the 5 godlike snipers from the community if they're ever on the other team.
>>343464075
thanks anon Ive been thinking about maybe getting overwatch but have now decided against it
>>343465815
I main Mercy and there's always a Tracer on my ass
>>343475062
Clicked on a random guy with Soldier as a top played hero, skill rating 75 (tied for #20 worldwide). 50% accuracy. While that's including occasional blind fire spam, it also includes padding like pecking away at a gigantic Reinhardt shield. Or maybe he has an aimbot programmed to exactly 50%, I dunno. I don't think the hitboxes are really benefiting anyone's aim to a large degree.
>>343471806
Is that the fag who "played" Doom in the review?
Explains everything
>>343473427
I played ET for like 5 years and those hitboxes for the body look way too big
>>343475062
>so retarded he can't count his own mistakes
As expected from a degenerate blizzdrone.
>>343475392
Automatic weapons aren't a good way to gauge accuracy though, even though OW is kinda slow it still has strafing which will lead to missed shots unless you're just a predicting god.
It's a bit pointless to just grab hit chance at any rate though. If you want to see what difference hitboxes actually have on accuracy you'd have to compare OW and some game with tight hitboxes and then look at the accuracy of the best sniper players in the game.
Which would still get you skewed results since bluebitch doesn't just have a sniper rifle. Unless the game tracks individual weapon accuracy.
At any rate, the point is that large hitboxes affect the skill floor a lot more than the skill ceiling. If you want to look at skill ceiling lowerers you look at the fucking tickrate and that unholy abomination.
>>343475476
Now I'm a blizzdrone? Uh, why?
>>343464737
10/10
you're going to make it big kid.
>>343474594
Prease understand, summer
I'm trying to help you
Read this and stop tripfagging
>>343466758
fuck you the new quake is going to be shitty, kill yourself, called the cops, saged, sent the fbi on your ass, fucked your mom dog and dad
>>343474287
>>343471707
quake didnt have headshots lol
UT did though, for the sniper at least
quake was about speed, prediction, and mind/metagame, didnt have headshots that did like whatever times amount of damage. its a different type fucking game so kill yourself my man rightn now
The game literally has a single button that can wipe out the enemy team without having to aim, and while you have to build up charge for this skill you don't lose charge, removing any real strategy to the game.
Calling it 'competitive' is a joke. Tic Tac Toe is more competitive.
>>343477734
>The game literally has a single button that can wipe out the enemy team without having to aim
Only characters where that is true would be Mcree and Reaper, but both of those require good positioning and an enemy team of retards. Aiming isn't the only skill or the most important when you're in an objective based game.
>>343476220
>Calling a well known tripfag summer
Congrats on outing yourself newfriend
>>343476220
REDS is a faggot for using a trip for so long but you are a bigger one if you havent seen his trip already
