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Should i pull the gun on this? or get the 470?
i know it would preform better but i dont want to wait longer than i would have to.
i dont have that many intensive games anyway
>>343463917
Pay a little more and get the 480.
>>343464072
but that fries motherboards tho
(btw the most intensive games i have are skyrim, metro 2033, and DXHR DC)
>>343464359
DUMBY
>>343464426
wtf does that mean?
>>343464359
>fries motherboards tho
I can't believe people actually fell for this meme.
>960 draws more power over PCIe
>lol who cares
>750ti draws more power over PCIe
>lel
>295X2 draws a fuckton more power over PCIe
>nobody gives a fuck
>480 draws slightly more power over PCIe
>Nvidicucks and shills in full force
>>343464721
guess its just cannon fodder to ignore then i guess.
but seriously, i'm just making upgrades to a optiplex 990 so i can use it for gaming without the pc shitting its pants, i dont expect to get anything powerfull, the only game i expect to get later that requires a bit of power is overwatch and i figurred that i could roll woth this card for the time being.
>>343464721
Do you actually not know how computers work? Goddamn dude, stow your ignorance.
>>343465123
480 is the best choice at the moment. The 1060 is probably going to be slightly faster, but will also cost more and has less VRAM.
>>343464359
>skyrim, metro 2033, and DXHR DC
If you're only playing games on that level and don't plan to play newer games at high FPS / high settings then I'd say just get a used HD 7850 2gb on ebay or another similar card, the 7850 / 7870 is basically a PS4 GPU and my 7850 handles Metro, Skyrim, and most games fine at high /medium settings. To get 50-60fps I usually just have to turn down shadows and have no AA.
You can get a used 7850 for $80 on ebay
>>343465258
but i only have $200 to work with and im getting a new psu. and i dont plan to play any new games besides overwatch anytime soon.
>>343465253
Literally nobody gave a fuck when Nvidia did it and no mobos were fried because that's not how this shit works.
Go on, find a single case of a 480/960 frying a mobo. Testers could not even force it over the last few days.
>>343465585
>>343465258
DELETE THIS
>>343463917
470 definitely
>>343464359
8-pin custom PCB models won't have the power draw problem.
>>343465708
fuck you pajeet piss off
>>343464359
Never buy reference models you retard
>>343465854
wasn't going to.
>>343465253
To quote /pol/ memes
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
Real talk, fanboy-isms aside, considering that not even that many games will even benefit from running the DX12 version and DX12 features from a purely visual standpoint, am I better off getting a cheap OC'd 970 rather than a non reference 480 that will be out in a week or two?
>>343466374
>970
No. Just don't.
>>343466374
>970
just get a 380 mate.
>>343466374
If they're the same price and giving roughly the same performance, you're usually better off buying the newer generation of card because drivers mature over time, granting slightly more performance.
If you're paranoid about the 480 and are willing to pay an extra 50 dollars, the 960'll probably be out soon.
>>343466625
What then? Any other mid range / good value / under $300 cards besides the 480?
>>343466816
>960
1060*
>>343466868
i've heard good things about the 380.
>>343463917
No. Wait. You want the RX 480 (8gb) if you want the best price/performance gaming card around. Preferably one of the aftermarket cooler versions with a new PCB that will have extra power sockets (ie 1 8pin, 2 6-pin etc). Asus, Gigabyte, MSI are the worthy offerings.
>>343464359
>tho
>btw
>Skyrim
Fuck off
>>343466868
480 simply is the best choice at the moment
Don't cuck yourself with 3.5 in this day and age
>>343466990>>343464359
>>343465561
i dont have many powerful games, i just want somthing that werks. like debian.
>>343466868
Not unless you buy used, not really. A month down the line NV will release their 1060, but it will probably either have less VRAM and/or cost more than the RX 480. Also, its shitty fucking Nvidia who has GameWorks, PhysX and other proprietary turds. If AMD has the price/performance you want, then suppoorting them means striking a blow for open source, open APIs and non-shittiness.
>pull the gun
o i am laffinyou might mean "pull the trigger," OP
>>343467363
oh, i did fuck up on that one
if i were to mean "pull the gun" people would think im a liberal.
>>343467196
It does "just werk". If you only have $200 flat, then get the fucking 4gb version, but I urge you to scrape together $40 more and get the 8gb version. Still, the 4gb version is by far the best in its class for $199.
Either way if you need to buy NOW then you can get the RX 480 stock boards/cooler, if you don't mind not being able to overclock as much, which may be a little cheaper (ie $200 for 4gb, $240 for 8gb). Though I think its a worthy investment to say, save up around $250 or so and wait for the Asus ROG Strix RX 480 or similar. You'll be very happy and if you're not using ultra powerful gaming, especially if you're at 1080p, you'll be set for a long time.
>>343467228
I'm between a rock and a hard place deciding what to get and what not to get. NVIDIA seems like they have the overall smooth factor and nice comfort software and other shit but there was that whole planned obsolescence shit that went down with some of their older cards earlier this year.
So I don't know, I was hype as fuck for the 480 but a lot of people are shitting on it, I know it's just because they expected it to be something it was never going to be but still, I wish even the reference card didn't have the stupid voltage issue and I wish it was at least thoroughly better than the 970.
>>343467545
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuous-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0500-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1467424931&sr=1-1&keywords=PSU
Would this be a good PSU paring with it? or should i go with a 80+bronze
>"Don't get the 970!"
>>343467556
Consider that it is better than the 970 in most cases, especially with high res textures/higher resolutions, DX12 and Vulkan etc. If nothing else, its a $240 card that's about on par with a 390X that used to cost a fuckload more. Yeah, some people thought it would be a 980 Ti for $200 and that's why they're shitting on it. There have been various benchmarks and real-life gameplay tests that show if you play at 1080p, 1440p, or want to use VR, if you don't mind not forcing everything to 8x AA/16x AF, you are going to get fuckawesome framerates, for not paying very much at all.
The voltage thing is still only semi-confirmed (ie pulling too much from PCI-E slot. It depends on the particular tester/board/PSU) and you can get around it entirely by having quality parts and/or waiting to buy a non-reference design. I'm sure the Asus / MSI / Gigabyte non-refs will have a better PCB design including the option for overclocking, better cooling and shouldn't cost much after the initial scramble.
>>343468040
EVGA with 80plus ANYTHING is fine. That's a pretty good deal desu. Just make sure 500w is enough for what you want and plan on in the future. If you're going with the 480 then you're good though. just wait for the non-reference cards if you can.
>>343465385
>turn down shadows
>no AA
>maybe 60 fps
unacceptabrue anon
>>343468093
I won't. I need but look at the 770's performance, today, against AMD cards it usted to beat.
>>343468302
the otiplex 990 has a 256W PSU so i think i am set.
>>343468040
Personally, I would not buy it. I'd go for a better PSU that's at least 80+ Bronze (if not silver or better, fully modular) depending on how much you want to spend. Buying refurb or used (via hardware forums if you have the rep) is highly recommended. EVGA has some shitty ones and moderate ones, like the ones you mentioned, but their G2, P2 etc... series are better. Corsair is also well worth it (any of their modular, silver or better) won't be too costly. There are a few other good models out there, but be sure to buy not just by wattage but by efficiency and quality. However, for wattage use something like... http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
and buy a little above what you actually need, if you can afford it.
>>343468324
Hey, for my first build that I did in 2012 it was the best bang for my buck. More specifically I meant traditional MSAA I usually had to turn to x2 or off to maintain 60fps in games like BF3. Skyrim on the other hand I can play with x4 or x8.
It really depends on the game. Witcher 3 has been the only game to cripple it so far. I have to turn shadows to low, no SSAO, and meduim / high for other settings just to get 35-45fps at 1080p.
>>343468524
it was powering a i7 2600 and two old GPUS
(nvidia quadro nvs 295 and a ATI HD 5450 512 mbyte)
>>343468525
I should mention that if you can absolutely only spend $40 or less on a PSU that EVGA is probably better than most of what you can buy and it is reasonable for a 500w. I just think for not too much more, you could get a solid, fully modular 600-750 (depending on current and projected needs) that is a couple steps up the ladder.
>>343468767
i ran skyrim maxedo na dell xps notebook with 8 gigs of ram and a nvidia gt 550m once, good times
>>343468767
unrelated but this reminds me of how few new games are including MSAA these days, they all have FXAA type shit that blurs everything to hell
>>343468924
im just making upgrades for a optiplex 990
16 gigs of ram and a i7 2600, good hand me down if u ask me.
>>343469058
yeah MSAA is dead, and certain games with deferred rendering can't even support MSAA. Now it's just different types of awful Vaseline blur that looks like complete garbage in most games.
Why the fuck did SMAA not become the standard for AA? It looks almost exactly like MSAA and costs as much as FXAA. 90% of games you have to nigger rig and fuck with just to get SMAA running without a bunch of shitty ReShade color filters enabled along with the SMAA profiles.
>>343469078
Ahh well.. honestly, I'd see if you can buy good components and basically not be beholden to cramming them in an optiplex at sometime in the future, but if you're going to deal with it for the time being make sure the PSU (even the one you linked) will fit length and width wise. The ones in OEM PCs like Dells are absolutely abysmal, and sometimes the PSUs, mobos etc.. are funny sized or shaped so conventional ones won't always fit. Just make sure you know the measurements.
Good luck! Alternately, get your ass onto hardforum, overclock.net, or one of the other major tech forums (or even le reddit communities) and buy used, including a new case and perhaps even mobo for your i7 2600, if you don't want to be stuck in optiplex land.
>>343470146
Thanks for the advice,
Mine looks like pic related
>>343464721
>960 draws more power over PCIe
Only the ASUS Strix, compared to the other 6 960s that Tom's Hardware tested it was the only one to display that behavior.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html
>750ti draws more power over PCIe
Kind of sort of. Yes, it does go over the 66W-71W technical specifications quite often, but it does not AVERAGE above that.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-20.html
Average over PEG 12V: 64W ; Peak 141W
>295X2 draws a fuckton more power over PCIe
It drew more power, but over the two 8pin connectors, not the PCIe slot.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-295x2-review-benchmark-performance,3799-14.html
Average over PEG 12V: 27.8W ; Peak 39.6W
>480 draws slightly more power over PCIe
Averages ~80W draw on the 12V while experiencing a Vdroop down to 11.4V, meaning that not only is it drawing more power through the PCIe slot itself, but it is also having to do so at a higher amperage.
< AMD Fan, but not deluded. The 480 has a potential problem, it shouldn't be an issue for most motherboards, but the reference 480s need to be undervolted.
>>343465585
See
>>343471547
You're taking a single 960 out of 7 960s that were tested, only one of which displayed that behavior and are trying to claim that they ALL do the same thing when they don't.
>>343471547
So the non reference 480's should be fixed by the time they come out then right? They'd fuck up hard if they let those suffer from the same voltage problem.
>>343472185
Ideally, yes.
It depends on /where/ the problem is originating from within the 480.
If it's something with the actual design, that's a bit trickier as, while AIB partners can do custom cards, they don't have access to the full documentation (at least, that is my understanding). So they do have some leeway with what they can do with their own cards.
They could figure out a BIOS trick that can fix it, IIRC nVidia's cards have values that identify each power source (i.e. the PCIe pins and the PCIe slot) and are able to influence where the power is being drawn from. There might be a way to fix the problem on the hardware side of things as well.
I won't try to bullshit and say that I completely understand GPU design; however I can say that I can recognize and understand the electrical problem as I got my Material Science Master's from working with various semiconductors.
>>343465385
>7870 is basically a PS4 GPU
The 7870 runs circles around the PS4, what. Even the 6870/650Ti can beat it when OCed sufficiently.
>>343473113
IIRC, it runs a gimped version of the 7850 that can make it run as slow as a 7750.
>>343473113
>The 7870 runs circles around the PS4
>>343473572
Correct.
>>343473951
It might be slightly better in most situations when paired with a good CPU but I'd hardly say it runs circles around the PS4.
