>tfw I fell for the AMD CPU meme
Just end my suffering, senpai.
>>343462616
What's the problem? Seems to be fairly decent for dx12.
>>343464405
more accurately, it's fairly decent for that one game because it was developed with direct assistance from amd who turned it into their meme benchmarking tool so they could pretend their products weren't universally subpar
>>343464405
>literally a benchmark game, more so than Crysis ever was
Synthetic.
>buying AMD
I feel bad for you OP. Note how all the CPUs in this benchmark were performing far better despite being 500Mhz to 1.3Ghz lower clocked. Imagine the gap once you bring the Intel chips to the same clock speeds. AMD are garbage and the people who buy them should feel bad.
>>343462616
Aside from the annoying stock CPU fan sound, Mine works like fine wine OP
>>343462616
>got a 9590 black
>it's perfect
>>343462616
>tfw fx-6300
Should've at least got an 8320. Fuck.
At least it OCs well.
>>343462616
>tfw 8150
>tfw have a fuckhuge noctua cooler and this shit still goes to like 60°C
>>343464606
spoken like a true cuck
>>343465051
>tfw 4920k
>tfw have a fuckhuge noctua cooler and this shit still goes to like 90°C
>>343464606
bro.
Get a cooler master hyper 212 evo. Amd stock coolers are shit.
If you take nothing from this thread let it be that you need to upgrade your cooler before its too late.
>>343464795
Nothing wrong with it fampai, Mine's been OC'd at 4.1 for about 3-4 years and nothings gone wrong. I'm happy with it.
I'm not sure what to upgrade next in my computer to be honest, thinking the processor. I just want good frames in my games. I think an i5 would help that, but I REALLY hate how expensive intel is - at least for GOOD intel CPUs
>>343465553
I don't really plan on overclocking and the hyper 212 seems complicated to install but i might reconsider if the noise grinds my skull.
>>343462616
>buying 4 year old architecture
Hi /v/ im planning out my first build. Originally id planned on going for an AMD processor, but im leaning towards intel. Am I doing myself a disservice in going with an i5 instead of an i7? Only use it for gaming
>have AMD processor
>have to do some discrete event simulation experiments for a uni project
>it takes 1 fucking hour to do 100 repetitions
>I need to do 10000 for at least 3 different configurations
>I try running it on my roommate's laptop mounting an intel
>it takes 20 minutes to do 10000
Fucking AMD
Who fucking gives a serious shit about what you bought
>>343465716
I just installed one on my fx 8350.
Super quiet. tons of guides on installation 15-20 degrees temp decrease.. Its practically standard for an amd cpu.
FUCK that little noisy standard fan.
>>343464405
>ITS REALLY GOOD GUYS
>ashes of the singularity benchmark
every time
>>343465193
Austrian engineering at its finest
>>343465051
>>343465193
>tfw 3770k
>tfw have a 9 year old sexy beast and this shit never goes over 55c
>>343466684
literally the same as>>343465553
Just double the price for plastic edging.
>>343466684
Nice, I'm still using my TRUE 120 that I bought back in 2007 as well. Currently using it on my 4690k, before this I had it on an i7 920, and a C2D e6420 before that.
>>343462616
It's sad too, because back in the golden era of Doom 3 and HL2 AMD was utterly destroying Intel in literally every benchmark with CPU's that cost less than half and have 200% more performance with a simple 2ghz frequency since they were doing crazy high IPC for that time vs Intel's strat of high frequency's.
Intel started doing 8 years ago what AMD was doing back then, and for the last 5 years they're been king.
>>343464585
what's the difference between the i7-4770 and i7-4770k
>>343467457
Unlocked multiplier I think
I ain't sure tho
>>343467457
>>343467539
Yes, the K literally just means it's unlocked, which means insanely easy to OC.
>>343467059
Awesome bro. I skipped a couple system builds with it. First got it for my Q6600 back in 2008, then when I made the mistake of buying a Phenom II x6 1100T, I felt I needed something a bit more capable and I bought the H100. Stuck with the Corsair for my 3770k, but recently decided to dig it out and switch it because the shitty pump on that AIO cooler was making awful coffee grinding machine sounds. Bought this sweet mounting bracket update for the TRUE, and have been loving it. Same or better performance compared to the H100 and it's 100% silent. Beast.
Did you lap yours? I bought a sandpaper kit and am ready to do it. Just afraid that the IHS on my 3770k might be concave and I know my TRUE is convex. If both these things are correct, it's probably already as good as it'll get and sanding it down to perfect flatness will probably ruin the mating process with the IHS. I really don't want to sand the IHS down too, but I guess I have nothing to lose anyway so it might be worth a try.
>>343467705
so you can't overclock the i7-4770 at all or it's just harder to do?
>>343467059
>>343467807
Woops forgot picture. I'm sure you already have a mount for it if you're using it with the 4690k, but if you don't own this thing I highly recommend it. Can get it from Amazon.
Thinking about removing those thumbscrews and replacing them with some washers, using my own bolts, and mounting this monster direct to my delidded 3770k die. Very scared though. Read that if you do it too loose by just half a rotation, it gets 10-20c worse temps. If you overtighten it half a rotation past prime, the system will crash outright and not boot. Sketchy.
>>343467897
You can overclock locked CPUs by ~5% by increasing BCLK but that overclocks SATA, USB, PCIe, RAM and other stuff by 5% since their clocks are derived from BCLK, which may cause stability issues since many devices have tight tolerances.
>>343462616
It works, so it's fine.
>FX-8350 w/ a GTX 1080
>can't even run Total War games on ultra because it doesn't use multi cores well
>can't even play Overwatch for more than 3 hours because it over heats and becomes throttled to 1.42Ghz
>have to restart to unthrottle
>>343468109
I'm not a fanboy but you should have gone the Intel route.
Even a 6700 Skylake is just = to a 2500k wit ha 4.5 OC, but with DDR4 3200 and above you can get absolutely massive performance gains in severely cpu bottlenecked games.
I still have a phenom995
It's ok for gaming at medium settings, at 900p
>>343467705
i have a 4690k with a 212 evo cooler, what kind of benefit will i see if i overclock it?
>>343468109
>>343468109
The fuck are you using for heat dissipation a fucking oven mitt?
Even AMD uses Intel CPUs when showing off benchmarks of their GPUs.
>>343468272
soon as I have the money I'm getting a 1151 socket and probably the new gen7 intel
this bulldozer is going into a micro ATX and become my new remote linux and git server
>>343467807
Yeah, I lapped mine way back in the day. I used to be autistically into overclocking and whatnot. Not so much these days, but I'm glad I did it.
>>343468000
Yeah, I bought that exact bracket to mount it on the 4690k .
>>343468109
you dun goofd
>>343468371
Cooler Master Hyper 212,
but that doesn't stop the internal safety features from kicking in and disabling 5/6 cores after 3-4 hours on double screen ultra
>>343468532
Awesome, yeah I figured you must have had that kit since it's practically the only one available that works for it. Kinda sad to see this top tier cooler fade into obscurity, and become almost impossible to use due to shortage of brackets no longer in production. At least we have them for ourselves though, and it's fucking awesome to run into someone still using this thing.
Do you remember seeing any improvements from lapping it? If yes, I am doing it tomorrow. I have 36 sheets of sandpaper ranging from 400 grit to 3000 sitting on my desk in front of me, just waiting to expose that sexy copper base plate.
>>343468348
If you're cpu bottlenecked in a game now and actually increase the frequency quit ea bit you'll get very large performance increases, we're talking like 10-15fps (not %) or maybe more. This isn't 15 years ago where a 1.5GHZ overclock (if that was even possible, which it wasn't unless you had liquid nitrogen) you'd maybe at best get 4% more performance.
What makes the last few generations of CPU's extremely powerful is the IPC/architecture, not frequency. So when you increase the frequency by a large amount you gain a ton of IPC, which = lots of performance.
>>343468762
>>343468762
Something is wrong with your shit then.
Because it'd have to be averaging 60-70c
>>343468109
Change the thermal paste, make sure the heatsink is connecting properly, make sure you're using a push pull setup and there's a fan behind it all blowing the hot air out.
GTA 5 ran great on my FX-8320
>>343468707
trust me, I know...but this core is ~5 years old now, it has served me well, and will continue to serve me well in a unix server so I can stop using this damned Pi
>>343468972
it does average that maybe a bit lower, 30c on idle... I have no idea why the fuck it locks itself to 1 core after sustained load
>>343468894
i've always played games on medium/high settings, but i have a 270x and the 4690k
i've OC'd my gpu before, but never the CPU, is it basically the same except done in the BIOS?
>>343468316
>mfw I had a phenom 965
>Couldn't run Overwatch without 25-45fps despite the settings
>>343469102
cooling is fine.... CoreTemp doesn't go above Tj max, but for some stupid reason, it just decides to lock itself to 1 core after sustained load. I'm guessing random spikes in sensor, or just the CPU protecting itself. Fuck it either way
>>343469158
>>343469158
Yeah, something is fucking off in a big way.
8 cores usually start throwing a wrench in the works at 61c
You might want to go into your Bios and start figuring out what in-built shit is fucking with your CPU's higher temp operations. Maybe look into an AMD Specific OC program to see if there's some further shit to disable.
>>343469197
Ah, well you'd be GPU bottlenecked long before you'd be CPU bottlenecked unless it was something like GTA5 or an MMO where the players and related things are rendered by the CPU so the more people around you the worse it runs, WoW is a perfect example of the game becoming CPU bound once you're around lots of players.
>>343468861
I saw a noticeable improvement on the i7 920. My TRUE was majorly convex, I spent a day or so lapping it and finished with a not quite mirror finish. I saw probably a 5C difference on average, maybe even a little more under load.
Still have my i5 4670k at 4.5GHz and I can't see myself "upgrading" for literally years to come. Feel bad for a friend with an AMD cpu and his games running worse sometimes even though he has a better GPU and plays at a lower resolution.
>>343469484
>8 cores usually start throwing a wrench in the works at 61c
wow...well that's gonna be a problem...the GPU is @ 75c on load, 80c is considered safe for operations. Is the temperature averaging inside the mobo triggering this shit?
I've been fooling around with my bios, every safety feature including Europe's Eco standard has been turned off... last remaining is disabling the 6th core which comes disabled by default
What OC program would you recommend?
>>343468109
>8350 and 7950
>cant really run anything high besides source games
>>343469872
wow...bro! 7950 was my previous card. Waddup?!
>see pic why I switched
>>343469546
yeah, i'm going to get the non reference XFX 480 whenever it comes out in a month or so maybe
>>343469732
Thanks for the information. I'll definitely be lapping this thing ASAP.
>>343464405
>>343470003
Even with a GTX 1080 you'd be GPU bottlenecked in just about every game even with something as old as an I5 2500, that's just how damn powerful that architecture was, and that was multiple generations ago. AMD hasn't given Intel a reason to improve.
480's are being reported as not adhering to PCI-E standards, but there seems to be evidence that if it's not OC'd then it's fine, but if it's OC'd it may damage the PCI-E slot.
I'd wait for more unbiased reviews.
>>343464405
>Ashes of Singularity™
>featuring DirectX12™
>Played best on Windows10™ with AMD™ CPU and GPU!
Reminder no DX12 features are even available for commercial use.
>>343462616
Ive updated my GPU 3 times in the last 8 years. Still using quad black edition AMD tweaked with some OC
>>343469546
is the i7-4770 a good processor nowadays? i'll buy a CPU with the i7-4770 and it's gonna cost me a little bit over 2000 MXN, wich is a little bit over 108 dollars.
>>343470803
Yes, there's no reason to upgrade unless you're doing constant crazy encoding.
I still have a 2500k @ 4.5 and Skylake couldn't compete without it's DDR4 at 3200 and above.
It's just newer, same as that Haswell.
>>343469771
You will literally not have to upgrade unless AMD creates more proprietary market-grabbing tech like Mantle that forces people to change their hardware rather than actually upgrade.
Consoles still don't even use 2GHz cores.
but I run every game at 1080p 60fps. nice try.
>>343464405
Is Ashes of the Singularity actually any good? Or does it exist only as a way for people who were tricked into buying AMD to justify their purchase?
this makes the /v/ goer upset
>>343471364
No and Yes.
>>343471453
It would have been better if you had a 32bit OS
>>343471054
and the weak ass CPU in those consoles is part of the problem with modern games on them. The GPUs are weak too but the CPUs are Laughable. Will be the biggest problem with the PS4K if the rumors of no new CPU are true
>>343471453
>512mb GPU
Even my mobile toaster GPU has more VRAM than that.
How do you even manage to play games at fullscreen?
>>343471661
That's because a wall was hit that includes power consumption and heat generated.
>>343471808
Not him but, its a GT card, not a GTX.
Its supposed to only be strong enough to make a display work.
Even IGPUs are stronger than that shit.
>>343471808
Hilariously enough it's an upgrade from my old GPU ofHD 5670
otherwise it runs alright
>>343471661
The CPUs are weak but have multiple cores and aren't wasted with an operating system.
The Cell had weak cores but many of them and processed tasks intelligently (assuming you could even code for it properly).
Either way newer consoles use CPUs very sloppily and need extra cores for even simple multitasking purposes.
>>343471979
9600 GT is 300% more powerful than what's in the 360. (seriously), there are also 1GB versions of it.
Running out of vram just causes stutter.
>>343465653
You have nearly my exact build, my guy. Built mine for 500 and I agree, I'm very happy with it. Looking to upgrade soon but not sure what right now, might wait until holiday season or some time next year. I've got really no games that I want to play that pushes my hardware.
>>343471913
>caring about power consumption in the first world
the cooling is a real issue though, they're practically intel stock coolers
>>343471453
I recognize that build
>>343472221
The current-gen was also using 4 year old hardware when it came out, previous gens we re cutting-edge, why ? because before it took 10 games for sony/microsoft to make money, now it only takes them 2.
>>343472064
not sure about the new Win10 system but launch Xbone was certainly burdened by its weird tripartite OS, it had to dedicate resources at all times to Kinect and the dashboard and social features and the games got the lion's share of the leftovers
>>343472368
Does that lighbulb have a heatsink on it?
>>343462616
>friend is having issues in a game
>ask to see his specs
>AMD FX-8800P and a R9 360
>>343472221
Heat generated is directly controlled via architecture and cooling.
>>343472368
>that screen cost him 20 dollars
sometimes I wonder what I'm doing with my life
>>343465915
If you can wait till Novemer plan on doing that. AMD's next-gen Zen chips should be out which should force some price drops much like the new Polaris cards are and on top of that it will be Black Friday deals.
Until Zen and the new AM4 socket motherboards are out you probably shouldn't buy an AMD processor since the current chips and platforms are at their end of life.
>>343472368
i love this guys room.
>>343462616
>he didn't get an i3-6100
>he probably paid MORE for less performance in most games
>he fell the the discreet pajeet "MUH CORES" meme
>>343464405
>pirate Ashes to see what the hell it is
>shit's boring as fuck
>SupCom is more fun than this shit
Where's the best place to learn how to into PC gaming? I have a PS4/3DS but I think a PC would be a good addition.
>AMD
>shit performance for all products
>RX 480 literally frying mobos for running out of spec trying to give the illusion of power efficiency
>GTX 1070 has similar power draw and shits all over everything
Literally crashing and burning at this point
>>343472914
browse /v/ brand loyalty and speccy threads
>>343472936
>the new accent that hyundai released is shit, have you seen it run up against the new corvette?
this is your argument
>>343472936
>shit performance for all products
Not true, there are games like >>343464405 posted that are deliberately made to benchmark well on AMD processors. Nothing GOOD of course
>>343472936
rx480 has outsold the 10x0 series already m80 but yeah cling onto your reddit drama because some tard ran witcher 3 at 4K for eight hours straight on his ancient motherboard.
>>343465716
it's really easy to install and runs amazingly well. 90% of the time my processor is cooler than my motherboard. currently at 22 celsius compared to 33 celsius. I'm not currently overclocking because the stock fan gets really noisy when it runs at higher speeds but i still never went above 40 degrees
>>343472801
imagine
that lad hasn't paid a single minute jerking off a company on a thread on 4chan
that lad hasn't paid a single dime for his computer parts
that lad has a fucking 10k worth tablet screen on his desk that he got from behind some companies door that he fixed for less than 20 bucks
>>343472914
Anywhere but 4chan. Do NOT LISTEN TO 4CHAN. Anyone willing to share an opinion is either dumb or trolling you.
GO ELSEWHERE.
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
>>343473183
>AoS
>only thing AMD can desperately cling to
>a game no one would have given two shits about if not for DX12
>no one ever talks about the gameplay
Try harder
>>343472914
logicalincrements.com
Create your build with PCpartpicker and post it on /g/sqt
>>>/g/sqt
Dont buy AMD CPUs, get atleast a I5.
Dont cheap out in your PSU, Rule No.1 of building a PC.
Buy a decent motherboard not the cheapest one you see.
Avoid ASRock motherboards.
>>343472434
I was speaking in general, but yeah Xbone (and even PS4) have operating systems thanks to the x86-64 architecture.
However, I did say newer consoles use their CPUs sloppily.
Microsoft's Xbox division is just full-retard trying to basically ensure anti-piracy by forcing people to use Kinect/etc.
>>343473215
>more people can afford a cheaper card
Shocking. Too bad they'll have to buy a new mobo after using it when they could have just dumped that money into a 1070
>>343468109
Nigger what. I have a 6300 from like 3 years ago and I run overwatch all day non stop. Your shit is fucked.
>>343472936
70% of the performance for 50% of the cost when the piledriver chips were new didn't seem like a bad tradeoff especially with what a good over-clocker the 6300 was and with the fact that spending $100 more on the GPU made a bigger difference for a low budget build.
>>343473215
>AMD can't into long gaming sessions or else literal house fire
top kek
>>343473215
>rx480 has outsold the 10x0 series already
Source? I'd be really happy to see Nvidia pay for trying to price gouge everyone on the 1070. Obviously it's not a fair comparison since one's an entry level card and the 1070 and 1080 are more expensive but yeah
>>343473247
a true hero
>>343472723
Do you know what kind of screen it is? Looks kinda neat.
I can't tell if he rigged his desk to angle and embed the monitor or it's some weird kind of "art-pad".
Those CPUs aren't designed for single core performance at all.
AMD did a kludge to shove all the CPUs they can on the same space, the so called bulldozer/excavator technology.
In THEORY, this leads to a high performance IF the programmers can use all the cores 100% of the time without too much overhead, sync issues etc..
Which means in pratice it sucks, as some tasks just can't be broken into separate threads, and it increases the program complexity exponentially.
Now the Zen thing they're designing is aimed at delivering the best single core performance they can, by actually having 6 instructions being executed on a single cycle, which given all the deficiencies etc etc etc.., matches with the 4 instruction per cycle offerings from intel.
>>343473293
>>343473297
>logicalincrements.com
I'll give this a good look through. Thanks lads.
>>343473578
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-shipments-hit-us-stores/
Sold out on day 1.
What's 25 times 1
>>343473601
Yeah it's one of those fucking gigantic drawing tablet screens used by big arty farty companies
>>343473601
I didn't see>>343473247 until now.
>10k worth tablet screen on his desk that he got from behind some companies door that he fixed for less than 20 bucks
God damn hit the lottery with that screen it seems. No point wishing for one myself.
>>343462616
I also never understood why someone would spend more money on an Intel processor, and then I got one.
I'll never go back. Intel does what AMDon't.
>>343473316
Consoles are just computers, even non-x86 devices have operating systems.
Its just become slightly more interesting in the case of the PS4 because if you hack it you can run Linux on it and unlike back in the PS3 days where there was no support for its graphics hardware the open source drivers for the PS4's GCN based integrated graphics is good enough that you can actually use it to play Linux games.
Of course its way easier to just build a proper PC if you want general purpose hardware.
>>343472914
All you need to know is that your CPU and motherboard have to have the same socket type, and nowadays you are best getting at least a good 500w 80+certified power supply, preferably a 600+w.
>>343473725
noice, maybe now nvidia will actually remember they have competition and try to sell some fucking cards
To be more specific, look at those pipelines.
each pipeline means an extra instruction per cycle.
Also the FP stuff is floating point operation, that was anemic as fuck on bulldozer because each "core pair" divided the same awful 128bit FPU thing.
>>343473725
Doesn't every popular card usually sell out on day 1? It's only after that people find out if it's shit or not, people just gotta have the newest hype thing.
>>343473605
So basically Sony's Cell is AMD's dream CPU, but nobody wanted to program for it.
Now that AMD handed their shitty Mantle tech to every major company they're throwing all their chips on the table gambling their future away.
>>343473605
The problem AMD faces is that if they focus on multi-thread performance Intel will optimize their chips and their compiler to push single-thread performance even though its at a technological dead end. If they push single thread performance, Intel will push devs to go multi-core and start pushing 10 core chips.
Zen is going to have to to succeed on every front if its going to have a chance of making the PC CPU market competitive again.
>>343469872
>7950
have this with an i5 3750k
runs everything on ultra with some settings lowered to high
AMD cpus are just garbage. But my 7950 has done very well for me.
>>343474000
It's still an if whether AMD will even launch Zen this year, or Vega for that matter
Frankly I'm surprised they got Polaris out when they did. And with Jim Keller gone from the company after designing Zen for them, AMD has no idea what is going to come after Zen. (If they're still in business at that point)
>>343474056
Yes but a lot of times it's due more to the fact that there is not much stock available at release, especially for high end cards. Not the case here, AMD literally flooded stores with 480s.
>>343473293
>>343473297
>>343473874
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VcsXHN
I got this suggested to me on
>>343474101
Mantle/DX12/Vulkan only helps with games.
>>343474162
Intel can't "push developers into multi-core".
Things that can be broken into several threads can be broken into several threads, things that can't, can't, and no amount of cash or power can change that.
You can't pay to disable the law of gravity or make pi finite.
What's the best poorfag choice for cpu?
>>343474056
Using that same logic you'd think there'd be a lot more cases of people claiming the rx480 raped their dog and burned down their house than the half dozen forum posts by random 1 post accounts that currently exist.
/v/ and /g/ are really, really sour the rx480 ended up as expected instead of a disappointment. the shitposting has been unreal. thankfully its already dying out
>>343473803
>hit the lottery with that screen it seems
not really
just contact literally any company and tell them you're up for taking anything they dont need out of their hands
In fact, you could even get fucking paid to escort shit like this away from companies.
>>343474349
>no name TN monitors
>no name SSD
>buying Windows
>Windows 10
>micro ATX motherboard
>locked multiplier processor
>>343474370
That may be, but there there are a ton of programs today that could be multi-thread that aren't because of lazy devs.
Also the SPIR technology for GPGPU is reused in a modified form in Vulkan, so at least that portion of Vulkan is usable for things other than games.
>>343474349
Get a B150 ATX motherboard.
Get cheaper RAM.
Get a 850 EVO 240GB SSD.
Remove windows 10, install 7 for free, or upgrade to 10 for free.
EVGA 650 GS or G2.
Check logicalincrements monitor section, those monitors look like shit.
Stop using reddit.
>>343474708
I don't know wtf I'm doing senpai.
>>343474708
I figured I'd get Asus monitors since they're apparently good now and I'd get a 512GB Samsung SSD.
Do you suggest torrenting Windows 7 on another computer and putting it on a flash drive or? I don't know shit about motherboards or CPUs.
>>343474779
Well, AMD is not giving up the "MOAR CORES" approach completely.
Despise the fact they're in theory bumping the single core performance around the intel ballpark, there's rumors of 16 core Zen CPUs.
Also i think shit will start to get real interesting when they start to shrink the pipelines as trying to bump the clock is not a good idea anymore.
It will be very, very good for emulation.
>>343474349
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VcsXHN
Unless you have a lot of $$$ to spend don't get an SSD, also don't buy Windows 10, just pirate it or pirate Windows 7 and then search how to download and use an activator for it, also just get a $20-30 mid tower case, get a cheaper keyboard, find $30-40 ddr4 RAM on newegg instead of that $55 ram, and wait a week or two for a non-reference rx 480 or if you have the $$$ just get a 980 or if you can't wait for the 480 a 390x. Also are you intentionally buying two monitors?
>>343474872
I'll check out your suggestions. I don't use Reddit, I made an account named helppc25 or some shit just to make a post since I figured they'd be more helpful than you guys. I'll see if /v/ is somehow actually helpful.
>>343474528
save money and buy something halfway decent since it'll last you years and years.
if you're on an extreme budget and you literally cannot wait to build your computer then supposedly super low end AMD is better than super low end Intel. But seriously do yourself a favor and buy an i3 at the very least
>>343474528
Depends on how poor you are and how much you can spend on a system.
< $50 - Raspberry Pi, run Linux and play retro games
< $200 - Socket AM1 AMD hardware, run Linux, play retro games, 2d indie games, and most old games
< $400 - AMD socket FM2+ parts
< $600 - Intel i3
>>343473862
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Game_console_operating_systems
Besides the ones listed, consoles relied on bootstrap loaders. They didn't load an operating system. They loaded one program at a time. That's why they got away with the hardware limitations they had and games seemingly ran "like magic".
Could you imagine having to restart your computer to just change the game you're playing, every time?
>>343475197
Been outta the loop for a while, last I heard the 6300 was better than the i3, what happened? also can I OC an i3 yet?
>>343474370
>only helps
If you use ™ approved hardware. Don't be a memer.
Also Vulkan is vaporware until further notice.
>>343475197
>no ARM
Try again.
>>343475016
Apparently from what I've heard Zen CPU dies will be 8 cores. The 16 and 32 core server chips will be multiple dies mounted on a single interposer.
Still AMD could easily price Zen hardware to beat Intel by putting 6 core / 12 thread chips vs the i5, and 8 core / 16 thread parts vs the 4 core / 8 thread i7s.
We likely won't see Zen parts aimed at the lower end of the market until the 4 core Zen/Vega APUs launch.
>>343475367
Vulkan will catch on but due secondary reasons.
Android is moving its window rendering engine to vulkan because it saves quite a bit of battery life, so pretty much all android devices will come with it by standard, and devs porting from android will use it on PC as well.
>>343462616
Been using both brands amd and nvidia cards for few decades since tnt2,mx400,9600xt to pass few gen gtx460/7870xt/7790.
Using cpus like p3 800, athlon 3k+, athlon64, athlon64x2, c2q, fx1055t and 6300.
I have never had any serious overheat due to processor issues except dying mobo or cpu/case fan.
Performance wise its hovering between 40/50fps on med/high for games released on their reapective times.
I seriously think im glad i still see faggots like you guys so im still able to rip off dumb customers around my area for being fanboya.
>>343474628
Not a 10K touch-screen monitor. There are refurbishing companies that hunt for that shit.
Going to a hospital and asking for an unused CRT isn't the same as what that guy did.
>>343475308
What happened is that socket AM3+ is dead, there are no upgrades and last I checked the prices were starting to go back up as those parts are phased out. You're better off buying a Socket FM2 part like the Athlon x4 840 or the 880k.
>>343475462
You still can't really buy an ARM chip outside of a single board system for any kind of reasonable price since the few that are get aimed at servers. The Raspberry Pi 3 is a $35 single board ARM computer fully capable of working as a basic computer and running nearly every game that's 20+ years old. For a hobo system its a decent option.
>>343475896
I have 20 X230T's in my posession right now and I'm as much of a refurbishing company as /v/ is on-topic.
>>343462616
>tfw poorfag friend was building new PC because his old garbage was basically held together with ducktape at this point
>He bought an AMD 8 core
>The CPU thermal throttles in the 65c range or some shit
>He lives in Arizona, so he's basically perma thermal throttled even at stock clock with a hyper 212 on it with the heat when he tries to play anything
RIParino
>>343476176
Maybe he should undervolt the thing.
>>343475558
Competent devs just rely on regular OpenGL and add support when necessary.
Developers using Windows 10 exclusively will rely on Vulcan or DX12.
Anyone who cross-develops with Apple won't touch Vulkan with a 10ft pole. Apple's only current plan is to add a wrapper for porting purposes.
>>343462616
What's the best Intel for the same price $150US?
>>343476062
You can rely on ARM as long as Android exists.
>>343476415
Vulkan don't need Windows 10 unlike DX12, which is it's biggest advantage.
>>343476102
Sorry when I said "refurbishing company" I meant dumpster diver.
I've worked on actual refurbishing for schools. It was a shitty job and people stole shit to sell to dumpster divers or pawnshops.
>>343462616
You fell for similar performance at a much better price?
>>343476415
Its actually a partner of the Khronos group that are making the Vulkan->Metal converter, not Apple.
In my opinion Apple is making a huge mistake leaving their OpenGL support at 4.1 (no compute shader support), and pushing Metal (no tessellation support) as their solution for 'next-gen' games.
The open source drivers for Linux for instance now have OpenGL 4.3 support including both tessellation and compute shader support, and they're actually extremely close to full compliance with OpenGL 4.5 including the Direct State Access extensions which is the main thing required for AZDO.
>>343477483
It gives them total control over the API, which is much more important than easy porting of video games (since when have they cared about video games in the first place?)
>>343476569
I didn't say that. I said developers that are using the Windows10 exclusive meme will rely on Vulkan/DX12.
More importantly, Vulkan does not support backwards compatibility so there's financial incentive in supporting operating systems older than Windows 10.
You'll have to choose between Linux or Win10. Apple is only creating a wrapper.
>>343477780
*no financial incentive
>>343477780
>Vulkan does not support backwards compatibility
There are Vulkan drivers for Windows 7, hell I think that there are even ones that will work on XP.
>Apple is only creating a wrapper.
Its not Apple that's making it.
>>343464585
were talking dx 12 here newfriend
So without trolling/memeing what's the problem with AMD on budget builds? I just want a PC that'll play most games at 1080p and 60fps on decent settings
>>343466034
damn op, he said your mom has no nipples
>>343477369
>similar performance
>>343464585
>>343478610
The problem is that the AM3+ socket used by the current FX chips, the FM2+ socket used by the current Athlons/APUs, and the AM1 socket used by their extreme low end SOC hardware are all being retired. Buying into that hardware should really only be done now if you both can't wait and you have no money.
Their replacement AM4 will be released soon, and when its out AMD will likely have hardware that it will make sense to buy.
>>343468109
Why don't you get a not shit cooler? or change your thermal paste?
