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>Draws a higher average wattage than what the maximum 66W limit allows through the PCI-E rail, AT STOCK CLOCK (limit is calculated as 12v*3.3A = 66W with a +8% tolerance, so 71.3W max limit)
>Long term use will result in a fried motherboard
>Uses more than 150W at stock clocks, despite it being claimed to be a 150W card
>OC'd draws 200W easily, and pushes PCI-E way beyond it's specified limits (100W average on PCI-E rail was measured in one set of benchmarks)
>AMD reps trying to silence reviews where power consumption results have found the card to not comply with PCI and ATX specifications
Multiple reviews revealing power consumption, with power measurements taken at the rails
>http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html
From Tom's Hardware
>We skipped long-term overclocking and overvolting tests, since the Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W. We just didn’t want to do that to our test platform
>http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-RX-480-Review-Polaris-Promise/PC-Perspective-Advanced-Power-Testin
>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/22.html
>http://www.golem.de/news/radeon-rx-480-im-test-eine-bessere-grafikkarte-gibt-es-fuer-den-preis-nicht-1606-121715-6.html
>http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-9/consommation-efficacite-energetique.html
>"RX 480 comes with a 6 pins PCIE and most of the power drains is shared between the 6 pins and PCI Express port (sometime more on the latter). The card does go way over the specs which is 5.5A. In Battlefield 4, we are getting 6.92A and 7.10A with no limit (called "Uber" mode in the review). Witcher 3 goes even higher with 7.79A. This is a stress that is not anticipated by all motherboards".
These tests were conducted on the RX 480 review sample sent to them by AMD, and they decided to test twice more on retail cards: Sapphire and XFX.
>>343413721
Another German website confirms the increased power draw at stock clocks:
>http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Polaris-ist-da-AMD-Grafikkarte-Radeon-RX-480-mit-hoher-Spieleleistung-und-einem-Makel-3251042.html?wt_mc=rss.ho.beitrag.atom
>In games, the Radeon RX 480 exceeds 150 Watt thermal design power and PCIe specification. On average, we have 156 watts measured at games, in Furmark the card even pulls at reduced clock 169 watts. Extremely problematic is the fact that the Radeon RX 480 draws up to 88 watts from motherboard slot, although specifications only allow 75 watts.
NVIDIA is the best. Why bother switching?
So, which card should I get then for 250?
380x, 390 or an used Nvidia?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending their fuckup, but if you decide to get any reference card you're already making a bad choice.
Sapphire will have 8 pins and will rid the issue, and probably other models will as well.
AMD majorly fucked up with their stock model, nothing more nothing less.
>>343414157
>Sapphire will have 8 pins and will rid the issue, and probably other models will as well.
no, no, no. The issue is a design with the board itself and simply adding another power connector doesn't mean the power magically comes from that connector instead of the PCIE slot. Thinking that adding an 8 pin connector alleviates the issue shows zero understanding of electrical engineering, it simply does not work like that.
AMD has to fix the engineering of the board, they have to produce a totally new revision. Guess what, this is going to cost all the 3rd party card makers a bunch of money, so surely they're happy with AMD too.
By the time this is fixed, the 1060 will be considered the card to get, and this product might as well not exist.
yes amd is going bankrupt next month
check their stock it's ogre
>>343414098
1060 when it comes out on the 14th. New info shows it's around 25% faster than a 480 and will only cost 10% more.
So basically, the only reason AMD can afford to sell this card at a cheap price is because the card is basically already OC'd way past safe levels and will destroy your mbu.
I really cannot honestly comprehend the point of all these summer sale complaint threads
You are complaining that you cannot afford things? You feel entitled to bigger sales? Not sure what you want. lol.
>>343414508
>>343414665
>>343414508
Yeah, thanks
Guess this is going to be the best option with limited budget
How does this happen. How does a development team miss something as important as this, it makes no sense.
This was going to be something that finally gave lower end users a strong, well priced, legitimate alternative to Nvidia and instead people are going to be punished with fried hardware for working with their budget.
PC needs a new contender to properly compete with Nvidia at this point, it's becoming obvious that AMD are never going to be up to the task.
>>343413721
Does anyone have that picture of the cards being made? they are on a coneyor belt and half the cards dont even have anti static bags but some do.
Cheap cards, cheap manufacturing practices
>>343414970
What's hilarious is that now Nvidia has cut off their market with the 1060 too.
They'll be forced to try to salvage SOMETHING with the 490, but it'll be between the 1070 and 1080 so no one cares.
>>343414665
>he posted in the wrong thread
so If I want something just under the 480, what should I get 960?
>>343414970
my friend works in microprocessor design. he says the power issues are a clear indication that AMD top brass did not think the clock was high enough, and forced them to increase the clock extremely late in development (basically after everything was already done)
This also means something like a 460 is coming because they just had to throw away like 50% of the chips since they couldnt meet the 480 bclck the executives wanted.
He said AMD employees should be "terrified" after this because it represents the company going under.
>>343414293
What the fuck are you sayiong nigger? 3rd party cards have already custom boards, often with memory /connectors variation. Adding a power connector and limiting the draw from the PCI-slot is going to fix the issue. The problem is that the reference card cannot be fixed with software update.
I bet you haven't even built your own power regulator, faggot.
>>343415014
Nvm found it, anti static belt or not they can still cause static to some degree also doesnt suggest good practices in general
>>343415401
>amd cards literally made in a factory that looks like it primarily makes mickey mouse blankets
you cant make this shit up
>>343413721
You missed out on some of the other news.
For example, AMD shills and employees are moderators on the subreddit /r/AMD and they are banning anyone who talks about this matter.
They even banned the guy who was compiling that MASSIVE post following all the news and updates on the situation.
>AMD cards are power inefficient
Is this still surprising in 2016?
>>343415681
you aren't interpreting the information as you should.
>>343415301
No, 3rd party producers don't re-engineer the PCB's, they can customise it by improving the VRM phases from 4 to 6, and using higher quality components. The actual engineering specs of the card are trademark protected, and the AIB partners don't have access to the schematics.
>>343413721
>The card does go way over the specs which is 5.5A. In Battlefield 4, we are getting 6.92A and 7.10A with no limit (called "Uber" mode in the review). Witcher 3 goes even higher with 7.79A
HOLY SHIT.
This is the issue people need to understand. Pulling some extra watts isn't going to damage a properly made motherboard but pulling this fucking high of amperage will.
>>343416506
>warned people for years about AMD and how everything they make is just generally lower quality and worse
>people never listen
>AMD fanboys more smug than they ever have been posting ashes of the singularity benchmarks
>a lot of them have already ordered this card and are locked into it
>people on /v/ will experience their computer being destroyed by this card after they memed about their async compute dx12 benchmarks on /v/ for weeks
poetic justice. can't wait. been telling people to avoid this trash company for over a decade now
>>343415134
>They'll be forced to try to salvage SOMETHING with the 490, but it'll be between the 1070 and 1080
That's a terrible place to be in. If someone is willing to go over the 1070 budget, they're likely to just pay the difference and buy the top card, there is no need for a card that sits in between the 2. They need to release a card that competes directly with the 1080.
>>343416247
so exactly how the RX 480 Nitro by sapphire will have DVI-I and a 8-pin connector? You can't change that without changing the PCB, I assumed. If they have this much control they can play around with the power regulator I guess
glad i spent seven hundo on a ten-eighty
>>343416506
>Pulling some extra watts isn't going to damage a properly made motherboard but pulling this fucking high of amperage will.
Do you even know how power (watts) is even calculated? It's directly proportional to voltage and amperage.
>AMDfags will LITERALLLY have flaming motherboards
Oh I'm laughing
>>343416770
>do you even know how wattage is calculated? this means wattage and amps are the same thing
stop. just stop.
so many of you do this, you try to show off that you have some tiny bit of knowledge you learned in school and you insert your foot directly into your fucking mouth because you aren't critically evaluating what is being said
it is posts like this that absolutely pigeonhole you as a high schooler
>>343416770
>Do you even know how power (watts) is even calculated? It's directly proportional to voltage and amperage
P = A * V
Higher wattage on cards (or CPUs as well) tends to come from over-volting, not over-amping. Going higher on volts will increase wattage but not be nearly as dangerous as increasing amperage.
>>343416694
Because the reference 480 already has pins available for a DVI slot. They just chose not to use one to save on costs. And the 2 extra pins in an 8 pin config are just an extra 2 earth pins. They don't supply anymore voltage/current, hell, you could solder an 8-pin socket onto the board yourself if you know what you're doing.
>>343416882
>>343416660
Same. Ever since Bulldozer.
The worst crime they committed before this was giving such a cool name to such an absolute garbage chip. Totally destroyed by sandy bridge.
>>343416924
>Because the reference 480 already has pins available for a DVI slot. They just chose not to use one to save on costs
fuck, I didn't know that.
However the 8-pin connector extra grounds allow it to carry more power, but in any case if they cannot modify the power regulator that shouldn't change much. Well AMD is in the shitter then
It's happening
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
>R9 380 didn't work at all (lost of signal in many games), RX 480 killing motherboards
>mfw AMD
>>343417401
Don't worry, they're banning people who post about this and their shills are carpet bombing the threads with accusations.
>>343417401
looks fake to me imo. stuff like highlighting that he was playing witcher 3 when we know it tends to strain the card hard
I'm sure it'll happen, but that looks like an insidious /v/ poster to me.
>>343417795
>highlighting that he was playing witcher 3
And?
Every time I post about issues with hardware or software I am immediately rebuked for not listing absolutely EVERYTHING my PC was doing at that moment.
>>343417994
it looks fake. some of you aren't that great at detecting these things. I'll tell you right now, i'm pretty sure it's fake from how it's worded.
it's a "i can tell by some of the pixels" thing. trust me.
A real "480 killed my system" would look like rage, not zero emotion whatsoever.
>>343417401
>I am the author of the reddit thread you have linked to, my reddit username is /u/Alkaladur. The moderators on reddit have banned from the r/AMD subreddit. In addition to this, my thread is now longer showing at the top of the subreddit. Instead a thread that claims the RX480 is not out of spec, and that the PCI-E slots can use 300W is AT THE TOP OF THE SUBREDDIT.
The denial is real.
Man, this is just too good. Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined AMD fucking themselves over like this. I'm not even a fanboy, it would have been nice to see AMD actually compete again, but this catastrophe is fine, too. I am entertained either way.
>>343418174
>implying people act in one way that you made up only
shoo amdcuck
>>343417384
Technically, the 6-pin connector is capble of carrying 150W, but the extra 2 pins provide extra safety.
pay no attention to this, its just nonsense and most of it shitposting
>>343417795
Cubeman on overclockers.net has burnt out the onboard sound on his mobo, and it's a high end board too. He has multiple 480's in crossfire, and has posted his own benchmarks so far.
>video card kills your PC
This is a whole new level of retardation.
>>343418174
I try to act as neutral as possible on forums when I have an issue, because forum moderators are always on massive power trips, surrounded by groupies, and tend to delete anything showing anger to their precious whatever it is they dedicated a forum to. Also explaining calmly allows customer service to assist you better. Sperging out just leads to them telling you to unplug it and plug it back in again until they get tired of laughing at you while you're on hold.
>>343417401
>R9 380 black screens
This is fucking outrageous, how can they not even acknowledge this is a real fucking problem?
Never fucking buying an AMD card again, I hope this curry nigger dies asap.
>>343418174
>It's fake!
>FAKE!
>>343418606
that i'd trust
>>343418627
Like I said I'm sure it's happening but that one smacks of fake to me
>>343418627
>I try to act as neutral as possible on forums when I have an issue, because forum moderators are always on massive power trips, surrounded by groupies, and tend to delete anything showing anger to their precious whatever it is they dedicated a forum to. Also explaining calmly allows customer service to assist you better.
Pretty much this. Every time I've had to get in touch with the vendor either by forum post or email I try to be calm and polite. They're more likely to be helpful that way.
well I guess I'm fucked
was going to get this card but now I am terrified
>>343414508
That's not how nvidia works. At best it would be 1:1 price/performance increase ratio. 20% more expensive($250/$290 for 3/6 GB model) for 15% more performance is what I am seeing from leaks so far.
>>343418828
>was going to
I guess you're not fucked, yet.
>>343418893
there isn't a 3gb model.
1060 will be a $260 card
>>343418828
Non-reference cards will have more power connectors to avoid the issue. The reference models will remain a problem. AMD may need to change their bios to undervolt/underclock the reference models
>>343418958
there isn't? what models will exist? just curious
>>343419129
6gb
>>343418893
There are two different GPU models for the 1060, which leads experts to believe it's going to be a 1060 and 1060Ti. So if that's the case, then the 480 is doomed, and the 1060Ti will become the $/perf king.
Then Nvidia will use their power to influence developers to use Vulkan, sintead of DX12, as vulkan performs better on nvidia than it does on AMD.
>>343418292
The best part is that it's likely AMD themselves doing this shit because they have employees as moderators there, like AMD_Robert
>>343419046
>Non-reference cards will have more power connectors to avoid the issue
No. For the the 50th time, adding a power connector does not change the issue at all.
The board has to be redesigned. The actual card has to be redesigned.
Electricity in electronics does not magically flow from where is best.
>>343419046
Aftermarket will have the same issues. Regardless of power added, it will still overdraw from the rail. There is no cure for this outside of a recall.
Anyone have any benchmarks?
>>343419046
They could add 10 6 pins, that would solve nothing. The cards don't magically know where to draw power from. Board design needs to changed to lower the PCIE draw, the card design as of now is bunk, it's a write off.
>>343419249
>Then Nvidia will use their power to influence developers to use Vulkan, sintead of DX12
Good, desu
>>343419389
10% faster than a 970 except in gta5, frostbite engine games and some other game which has its own problems
>>343419397
>the card design as of now is bunk
How did this shit happen holy fuck
>>343419485
>Using vulkan, the 480 is 30% slower than the 970
>>343414945
>thanks
That post is nonsense boyo
>buying anything made by pajeets
>>343414505
its actually been going up senpai, you wanna see something forsaken watch Games Workshop
>>343419601
>what are day negative-three drivers, for 200
>>343419565
The most likely reason is that the engineers specced out the card with lower clocks. Drawing very specific power for what it needed. Design finished, cards were in production and whoever is in charge decided the clocks weren't good enough for marketing.
Since production was under way, they couldn't redesign and just upped the base clocks with little regard to the power draw.
I believe this happened with a console recently, didn't the PS4 get a last minute overclock which was making it hot as fuck?
>>343419601
In other words the 970 is almost 50% faster with vulkan.
So a two year old card, with inferior architecture, thrashes a new card on superior architecture. I feel sorry for AMD.
>>343419723
>for 200
A fried PCIE port
>>343419869
show proof shitposter
>>343419723
Those reviews come from GamersNexus, and he goes through all his methodologies for testing, including which drivers he used = AMD's 16.6.2 driver.
The 480 is a power hungry poor performer.
>>343415273
3.5 rupees have been deposited into your account Sanjay
>>343419798
>I feel sorry for AMD.
You shouldn't, their Vulkan woes are their fault.
They had a good start on Vulkan and were in a place to exploit it to the extreme but then they went good goy on the Microsoft train and went with DX12 instead.
Hell, Nvidia and Intel had day 1 drivers for Vulkan (Intel actually had 2, for Iris and HD integrated) while AMD didn't for a long time.
>>343419790
>Design finished, cards were in production and whoever is in charge decided the clocks weren't good enough for marketing.
This is pretty much what happened. That's why they kept clock speeds are secret for so long.
>>343420041
>That's why they kept clock speeds are secret for so long.
Bingo
>>343420003
>basically invent vulkan
>don't have vulkan drivers for your own cards day 1
how embarrassing, holy shit.
>>343420003
there is nothing vulkan-wise being developed besides a doom patch which wont even get properly supported by idtech
vulkan is being tested for the sake of it
>>343420071
I wonder how long it will be before Pajeet and Luv Yu Long Time are relieved of their positions.
>>343420204
>there is nothing vulkan-wise being developed
Vulkan is still relatively new, and was designed almost solely for consoles. Considering most games these days are ports, it's only natural Vulkan will become first choice. And Nvidia will make sure of that.
>>343416247
reference card already has 6 VRM phases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2e-v94L4M
>>343420207
>>343420071
AMD was doomed the moment they got rid of their fabs. I didn't expect this much of a nosedive, though. It's kind of amazing. I guess that's what happens when you let a woman and a pajeet mismanage your company.
>>343420375
>And Nvidia will make sure of that
Are people pretending this is bad now?
Just months ago, I remember ENDLESS cries for DX12 to finally be the end of DirectX and for open source Vulkan to take over gaming.
Now people are whining that someone is going to push Vulkan to the forefront?
>>343415401
another reason to not buy xfx
>>343420504
They got rid of the fabs because they were in dire straits money wise and couldn't afford it.
But I guess in hindsight they should have eaten the cost and held on just a bit longer, losing their fabs was their death knell.
>>343420375
>vulkan was designed almost solely for consoles
thats not true
xbox runs direct3d exclusively and ps3/4 has its own api
>>343420425
>reference card already has 6 VRM phases
That was just an example of what they could do. They can add to the board or swap components, but they can't re-engineer it.
>>343420540
I don't think anyone's whining about that. I've seen only praise in this thread. Might as well add my own, it would be fantastic to put DirectX six feet under. We've needed a change for years now.
>>343413721
I already ordered it yesterday. Theres no going back at this point. I'm going to stick it in, and come what may.
>>343420726
>It would be fantastic to put DirectX six feet under. We've needed a change for years now.
Nvidia has a good chance at it with their sway over so many developers.
Maybe they can actually be the hero here and murder DirectX finally.
>>343420726
>Might as well add my own, it would be fantastic to put DirectX six feet under. We've needed a change for years now.
Yeah, having a single API that all systems use would make game production so much easier for developers.
lots of nvidiot autism flowing about in here
>>343420770
I'm sorry.
>>343420854
>>343419397
>2004
>the best combo was AMD's with nvidia graphics. Intel was lagging behind and ATI was the budget cards.
>2005
>AMD approached nvidia with the idea of co-financing a partnership to develop a GPU inside a CPU. Nvidia turns them down on the grounds that it would be far to expensive to develop at this stage, and that they would be weak... barely onpar with the current onboard standalones
>nvidia heat jokes are semi common at this point
>2006
>instead of trying to see reason, AMD goes full retard and buys ATI outright to continue their crazy plan solo
>2008
>ATI cards are still shit, but they release the DX11 cards first (by a few weeks). Nvidias come out soon after and blow it out of the water. APU's are still not a thing
>house fire jokes are now common
>2011
>ATI cards are still weak as fuck, but now are doubled with horrid drivers to boot. The heating between nvidia and AMD are now about equal. APU's are 'officially' released, but mostly buggy as fuck and they have to re-release it down the road
>late 2012
>APU's are finally here (for realsies this time). And as promised by nvidia, their trash. Sure, they are technologically marvelous, but still super fucking weak and actually lower the potential of the CPU. Their GPU's still suck and are both still known as budget shit.
>2013
>intel releases their version of APU's. They are stronger in every way than APU's, more stable, dont limit the processor in any way and spent 1/8th of the budget and nearly half the time researching into it. AMD ups the core count to 8 and is still weaker than intel 4cores
>2014
>ATI releases the 9XX killer. It fucking fails and is weaker than the 8xx series. driver issues still exist.
>2016
>ATI releases the 10XX killer. Its weaker than the 970, fails pciE certification & can catches houses on fire. Their APU's still suck.
Its like they went full fucking circle, but went 5 steps backwards at the same time.
Im not sure how this is possible.
>>343420770
if you actually believe this, you're a dumbass
look at the number of people in the thread, shitposters are talking to eachother
![XxQQS7Z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vgWFCNn.jpg "XxQQS7Z[1].jpg")
>>343420770
why tthe fuck would you ever buy a reference amd card for fucks sake
>>343420812
And at the same time destroy AMD with their own tech
I would finally switch back to Nvidia
>>343420943
>AdoredTV
It's too bad this guy is the biggest shill to every exist on this planet. His video style is quite nice and there's a lot of info but the shilling is just unreal.
Every time he covers a subject that isn't AMD, he has to toss in some jab about how they're evil or not awesome like AMD.
>>343421079
what up nvidiot
>>343421156
Thank you for displaying the level of maturity you can expect from AMD fans.
There is a reason I haven't used anything AMD in ages
They're simply finished and inferior
>>343420375
>was designed almost solely for consoles
no it wasn't. whatsoever.
why do people just constantly say completely wrong shit here, i don't get it
>>343420948
almost none of this is correct
>>343421329
and what is incorrect?
AMD philosophy for both cpu and gpu, and that's why they will NEVER win.
>>343421079
> the shilling is just unreal
Yeah, he has some great informative videos, but he rides the AMDick too much. He's not the least bit impartial when it comes to AMD vs Nvidia.
>>343421369
(You)
>>343420975
If I actually believed it, I'd send it back and get a refund.
Seems like the issue is mainly with crossfire, and I don't plan on doing that.
Class action lawsuit when?
>>343421474
>ask whats incorrect
>the only response is (you)
So your full of shit and confirming this is all true, because it is?
Cool.
Nvidia wins because AMD can't do anything right.
Again.
Intel should enter in AMD's place tbqhwyfamalam.
>>343421509
It's not isolated to crossfire, single GPU's are doing it too.
>>343421509
Anyone who would even consider using a reference model has something wrong with them, and you're completely retarded when that model has a huge engineering fault that risks damaging your pc.
>>343421705
>Intel should enter in AMD's place
They already tried that once with Larrabee. It didn't even get past internal testing, their performance was garbage. They started it as a consumer GPU, but after the failure they tried to salvage it as a non-consumer end high end processing platform. That failed too.
An important aspect of GPUs are drivers, and Intel can't keep up with the gaming driver world, it's not their market.
>>343421704
AMD fans are super sensitive and emotional at the moment, you can't expect to reason with someone who is emotionally compromised and deep in denial.
>>343418828
Don't buy reference cards. I was waiting to get this too, but I never pre-order or do anything until I see some user reviews and experiences. What for the non-reference my love
>>343420948
>2013
>intel releases their version of APU's
Damn, really? Could have sworn iGPU was around longer than that, or are we talking about different things?
>>343421960
well that's gay
I'm not really on either side, it's just that I've been with Nvidia for the longest time but even I can see how scummy they actually are and all I want is competition.
I WANTED the RX 480 but when AMD keeps doing shit like this I just don't see why I should support them.
>>343422350
Protip, supporting any company is bad. You should feel chuffed about spending any amount of money for an item, let alone on garbage parts that will only hold value for two years possibly less.
>>343422350
The introduction of Vulkan and DX12 should see NVidia's scummy practices slowly disappear. Gameworks can't be layered on top of DX12 or Vulkan, so they'll have to make up with superior design and performance, which they've done. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ti versions for the 10x0 cards have full DX12 support, and will blow AMD away again, and again, and again.
here we go
another thread of /g/ leaking
console wars werent enough
now we have had card wars for the past few months
soon we will have audio wars and fucking usb wars
>>343422149
Earlier versions did /kinda/ exist, but not in the sense that we have now.
The real kinds, where its simply the GPU is in the CPU and really needs nothing else is semi new.
What your thinking of is the earlier versions (went by the same name since its the same concept) but they required boards with a specific northbridge to use it, and wouldnt work without it because said northbridge was doing half the work (think of it like a heavily stripped down dedicated onboard GPU, but only part of it.)
Now a days, the entire thing is inside the CPU itself.
So its a half truth, but reality was it wasnt really there because it wasnt anywhere close to what they envisioned.
>>343422613
Except there's actual talk ITT of technical performance and specifications with minimal shitposting and fanboyism.
>>343422558
Until Gameworks 2.0.
>>343422613
We have always had graphics cards threads when a new gen comes out, you crybaby.
>I LOVE NVIDIA
>SO I WANT AMD TO DIE
So this card is a complete failure then, until they fix it and release a "RX 485" or something that doesn't break anyone's hardware and still costs significantly less than whatever nvidia will drop the 970 to by that time...
What's next though? With the 400 name tarnished and the fact that they started at "80" with a low-mid range card I'm guessing the proper enthusiast GPUs are going to be called 580 and 590. Will AMD be able to compete with the 1070 and 1080? Is that a realistic expectation based on the 480?
I can't stand nvidia because of shit like Gameworks but times seem to have changed. Now AMD likes DX12 because it gives AMD hardware an advantage, and nvidia is pushing Vulkan. I want that Windows-free gaming future so I'm all in on Vulkan. But even if I were to buy nvidia next I'd want AMD to compete well or nvidia will keep overpricing their shit massively.
>>343423195
The enthusiast is Vega, which is the 490.
>>343423085
Who are you quoting?
>>343423289
The last 4 threads of this have literally been that
>>343423085
Cool strawman.
Most people want competition, myself included. But if there's not going to be competition to keep us entertained, at least we get to go hard the other direction and watch AMD completely shit the bed. It's not about fanboyism, it's about entertainment value.
There was a nice video debunking a lot of these RX480 claims.
Something articles like to mention is how motherboards are dying, they base it on one guy on the forums whose PCIE slot died. Yet if you look at his actual post, he was running 3 OC RX480's on an FM2 motherboard playing 4k Witcher for 7 hours straight when his PCIE slot died.
Not something you should do, nor is it remotely close to what most people do anyway.
>>343423489
It's a pretty obvious >greentext of >>343288213 's thread
or literally any other thread of this topic
or even fuck, scroll up in this topic
>>343423782
>Yet if you look at his actual post, he was running 3 OC RX480's on an FM2 motherboard playing 4k Witcher for 7 hours straight when his PCIE slot died.
If you're referring to the AMD forum post, he was running a single 480
>>343423782
>Yet if you look at his actual post, he was running 3 OC RX480's on an FM2 motherboard playing 4k Witcher for 7 hours straight when his PCIE slot died.
That guy was running 1 card, nice try shill.
>remember the past weeks leading up this had AMD shills circlejerking over the fall of NVIDIA and a AMD renaissance
funny how shit turns around
>>343424037
Listen, we're civilized men so I will give you a chance to delete that post right now without any confrontation between us.
>nvidia literally burns cards down and 3.5's
>amd literally nodrivers and kills your motherboard
new GPU manufacturer when
voodoo pls come back
>>343424218
nvidia hasnt been hot for almost 4 years anon.
But I too wish for voodoo to come back.
>>343423782
He was running one stock 480. You could at least make your disinformation subtler.
>>343424037
>The 295x is an Nvidia killer
>The 390x is an Nvidia killer
>The 480 is an Nvidia killer
AMD are killing themselves
>>343424434
J-j-just wait for HBM2! You'll see! Vega's definitely gonna be the nvidia killer! Fucking nvidiots!
>still sitting on a 9600 GT
>can run everything to this day pretty well
>all this drama for both nvidia and amd
>meanwhile here I am sitting on an ancient card with an ancient driver and not worrying
is this what being a consolebabb feels like
So people talk a lot about amd's power draw, why does anyone care if they use it on a desktop pc?
>>343424593
>i-it's 40$ cheaper than the 1070 while being almost on par, so it's better price/performance
>who cares if it's weaker than the 1080 it wasn't supposed to compete with anything anyway
Then they'll probably fuck up again in some stupid way like putting the HBM stacks upside down or something.
It pulls more power from the rail (the slot it sits in) than the rail is designed for, to the point it will burn out the slot and potentially the motherboard itself.
>>343423283
>490
No, I really don't think so. Think about the pricing. The 480 costs only 200 bucks. That's not the price AMD would usually launch a "80" product at. Clearly they have upped their bullshit naming scheme once more and are skipping a whole gen, similar to how nvidia skipped 800 (laptops don't count). There will be a 299$ card and it will be called RX580. And then they'll have a RX590 for >400$, probably just two 580 chips on one card though.
>>343424860
What res monitor, 1680*1050? I was using a HD 5850 until a year ago and that was already too weak for 1080p. Unless you only play CSGO or whatever.
>>343425184
>It's an overclockers dream
And it won't even do 5% over
>>343425278
Fuck. Meant for
>>343424862
>>343425314
>Comes with 2 mandatory water loops
>>343413721
>limit is calculated as 12v*3.3A
12V * 3.3A is 40W. +-8% is 36-44W.
Just saying, man. Your math is fucking bad.
>>343413721
AMD fanboys are utter cancer, and I say this owning a 7950 and initially looking forward to the 480/490 GPUs. They've somehow managed to bury negative news surrounding the 480 entirely, as if it doesn't matter that the RX480 overdraws and simply shuts down less able mobos.
>>343425294
Yup, 1680x1050.
Had a HD 5670 but found a 9600 GT in the middle of fucking nowhere so I was like why not, I mostly play at 1440x900 because windowed and I do work at home, but I haven't really found any games I enjoy that require me to get an upgrade. I managed to run Tera at a constant 60 FPS at the second highest settings so that's a big surprise.
>>343425773
>AMD fanboys are utter cancer
I'm sorry, but you seem to have accidentally written "AMD" instead of "ALL".
>>343425739
wow that's even worse
Even though I have an AMD GPU and am not particularly dissatisfied with it, it's still fun as hell watching a company burn this hard over attempting to even come close to the competition that they basically cut corners and end up destroying the consumer's hardware.
Jesus christ, that entire company needs a makeover if they intend to stop being a joke now.
>JUST
>>343425943
He's wrong about the specification also. PCIe standard allows 5.5A on 12V rail through the slot, which is 66W. It also allows for an additional 3A on the 3,3V rail which roughly translates to 75W.
>>343426073
>cropped out the 'Give Gold' and 'Save' options
Nice try, redditor.
>>343426080
Even so, a mild overclock results in a 126W draw from the PCI rail
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcHR1qW3w4
>turn on CC
>>343426306
>Knowing of these options in the first place
Anon....
>>343426440
I've seen my share of screen caps.
>have 6 years old cheap Asrock motherboard
>good 550W PSU
>Sapphire RX480
No problems whatsoever. Upgraded from my 7870. FPS almost trippled. If youre so paranoid then wait for non-reference design i suppose.
which gtx 1080 should I get
>>343426432
Oh I don't really care about that. I think the RX480 is a trash card. Any card which has a supplementary power connector should stay below 60W from the board. Drawing from the board is nonsense unless it's a super low end card with no additional power connectors, such as the 750 Ti.
AND it has shitty cooling. AMD went out of their way to cheap out on the cooler.
>>343426823
MSI is best for nvidia cards, Sapphire or MSI for AMD cards.
>>343426674
It can take one game session or a month of them to happen, just because it hasn't yet doesn't mean it won't. This isn't paranoia, it's a straight up tested (by multiple sources) fact. There is no reason to be smug here.
>>343426823
EVGA has best customer service.
>>343426674
>>Sapphire RX480
No, you don't. You have a reference RX480.
>>343426895
>AMD went out of their way to cheap out on the cooler
And cheap out on leaving the DVI terminal off the design (even though the pins are there for it).
>>343426674
>Sapphire RX480
>Reference
You paid extra for a Sapphire sticker. Congratulations.
>>343426823
Between me and my brother we have owned Gigabyte, EVGA, ASUS and MSI and they have all be excellent.
>>343426823
>implying it's possible to purchase one
>>343427387
Wait the fucking pins are still there?
>PC gaming
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
3.5 GB
>3.5 GB
>>343427758
>>343427715
Sure.
>>343427894
>PS3
>X360
Am I in 2006?
>>343428020
>Minuscule amount of 480s have a problem
>LMAOOOOOO PC GMAING
>50% of consoles in a generation croak
>Lol who the fuck cares
>buying reference cards.
Tip top kek
>>343413721
THIS is what happens when you employ a POO IN LOO as your chief architect.
>>343413721
Take this shit to /g/
>people in this thread being happy about the prospect of AMD going out of business
Enjoy your skyrocketing Nvidia card price/quality ratio if the only competitor disappears.
>>343428090
My god so it was that easy to trigger /v/, damn. Thanks' I'm done now
By the way, I game on PC
>>343420948
>>2008
>>ATI cards are still shit, but they release the DX11 cards
Do us all a favour and jump from a bridge, Nintentoddler retard.
>>343420987
>why would you buy a reference card
Ftfy
>>343428285
people believe that if they suck a dicks company enough they'll give them a pat on the head back
tfw after waiting to see if rx 480 meme wasnt a myth, and finding out that it actually was
>>343420948
>intel releases their version of APU's. They are stronger in every way than APU's
literally false
>>343427715
Yep, they just didn't want to obstruct half of the vent slot with a DVI port again.
Most monitors either have HDMI or DisplayPort inputs or can be used with a passive HDMI->DVI or DP->DVI adapter just fine. People overclocking Korean monitors are an extreme minority and it doesn't make sense to cripple their (already terrible) cooling performance for a half percent of users.
>PC gaming
>>343413721
http://composter.com.ua/documents/PCI_Express_Base_Specification_Revision_3.0.pdf
If you would actually care to read up (what a joke) you would know that 66W isn't any kind of "maximum" limit.
But this is /v/, where parroting false information has become a tradecraft.
1060 when?
>>343429473
nvidia is the razer of gpu brands
>>343427032
Its like your opinion man, not a fact. Lots of cards before used moar than they should from PCI-E. Nothing happened.
>>343427339
>>343427507
Reference with sapphire sticker, ok. Price was the same as other versions, so no overpay on my side.
o_o
>>343430032
Can you link me the "lots of cards" that used moar than they should have from the PCIE? This is NOT about spikes but the AVERAGE watts it draws from there.
Spikes can be handled way better than CONSTANT overdrwaing
ITT nvidiots shit on AMD and make up lies about fried motherboards because of the huge success of the card. Top fucking kek. The end is near for nvidia!
>>343423782
Link homie
>>343419616
Who do you think designed your Intel CPU?
>>343430245
I will take average 85W from PCI-E over the constant spikes to 225W any day. If anything second is much more potentially harmful.
>>343423782
Literally one of the reviewers admits RX480s shut down his cheaper mobo every single time because of power overdraw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjC_8ai7QA
Sounds like you AMDshills live in tralala fantasy land. Protip: You can't save your failing company, you're done.
>>343427894
that's bullshit consoles never break
Bros I really want that rx 480 so I can mine ether and play w3 on ultra.
I've heard bad things about motherboard wattage but would mine be able to handle it?
It's a Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. 990FXA-UD3 (CPU 1)
Waiting for the 1060 now, the 480 is a meme card.
>>343430447
Israelis mostly.
>>343430692
Should be no problem. Worst case scenario your PC will shut down.
>>343416894
Also keep in mind that, at least one of the reviewers' (I think it was PCPer) reference 480 was experiencing Vdroop on the PCIe slot's 12V.
>>343429473
>A x16 graphics card is limited to 75W. The 75W maximum can be drawn via the combination of +12V and +3.3V rails, but each rail draw is limited as definied in Table 4-1, and the sum of the draw on the two rails cannot exceed 75W
>75W
>RX 480 = >>>>>>>>75W
>>343430692
It's your funeral buddy, buy one. I'd honestly love to see AMD survive, even if they do so by disingenuous means. Every single bit of competition is good for Nvidia and will pressure them to decrease prices.
>>343430032
>Lots of cards have used more
Irregular spikes of 1ms duration are hardly a concern, the components can handle that, it's when the average is above spec that it becomes a problem, in which case the 480 is above at stock clocks.
>>343429473
>here look at this almost 1k page document I didn't read myself I'm so smart now
>>343429473
Those are the overall PCIe specs for the whole card, you need to look at the electromechanical specs for just the slot.
You simply cannot pull 300W from the slot. Don't be an idiot. It's been well-known since forever that the limit is roughly in the 75W-ish range, i.e. something in the 750 Ti tier of power draw.
The electromechanical spec says the limit for the 12V rail is 5.5A with an 8% tolerance. 5.5 * 12V = 66W, with 8% tolerance that means up to 71.28W absolute maximum.
However, the specification is given as a current limit. Voltage will droop as you pull more and more power, if your 12V rail droops to 11.4V then you can't pull more than 67.71W.
>>343430032
Lots of cars pull more than the limit for a few milliseconds. Transients are much less of a problem than high average current, and yes every card has transient peaks as the VRM phases switch. This is the only card to pull 100W or so on average, and it's why you're seeing people burning out their motherboards after only a day of usage.
Not everyone with a dead mobo is OCing/boosting power limit or CrossFire'ing either.
>>343413721
Isn't it up to the motherboard's software to limit the power draw on PCI-E slots?
>>343430998
>implying they're going to die with their hands so deep down the pants of consoles
>The RX 480 reference board comes with a 6-pin power input, which combined with the power from the PCIe slot is specified for up to 150 W power draw. The RX 480, however, consistently exceeds 150 W, reaching 163-166 watts in our tests. While this is a non-issue for most power supplies and motherboards, there are some (very few) that will run into problems with providing over-the-spec power for extended periods of time.
From techpowerup. So no issue.
>>343430692
Pretty sure that board has been reported as one of the models that shuts down during use.
>>343430862
Continue to not read the specification and post the meme table again.
>>343431027
>Ctrl-F "Watts"
>6 Matches
>>343431073
750Ti regularly drew way more than 75w, with spikes up to 200.
>>343430483
Then you have no clue. Congratulations.
I asked around our friends in the motherboard business for some feedback on this issue - is it something that users should be concerned about or are modern day motherboards built to handle this type of variance? One vendor told me directly that while spikes as high as 95 watts of power draw through the PCIE connection are tolerated without issue, sustained power draw at that kind of level would likely cause damage. The pins and connectors are the most likely failure points - he didn’t seem concerned about the traces on the board as they had enough copper in the power plane to withstand the current.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Overclocking-Current-Testing
Fuck off
Enjoy your dead mainboard in a couple of months.
>>343431152
source?
>>343431073
>people burning out their motherboards after only a day of usage.
>mfw some people actually believe this
They should have called it the RX 420 and put an alien on the box. It would have sold millions just by meme cred alone.
>>343431218
>I asked around our friends in the motherboard business
>implying any manufacturer will ever say that something over the spec is okay
Ayy lmao.
>>343413721
And like poetry the NVIDIA shills come out of the woodwork trying to sabotage this shit with lies.
Working fine on my machine with a $50 off brand motherboard.
>>343431241
lol lad put a fork in the wall socket if you do it in short bursts it wont do any harm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oc7zXhzlzU
jesus christ
>>343431394
???
Can you not read? He even said that spikes are not a problem, but sustained power draw is you monkey
>>343431073
>using maths and science to logically explain why the 480 has a serious problem
>AMDrones accuse you of being a troll/shill
AMDrones are in denial when they can't even realise this. This is why AMD is failing so hard.
>>343431459
>NVIDIA shills
Good one, Pajeet.
>>343431459
Agreed. This whole thing seems strangely overblown. PCI 2.0 is a bit limiting but cards are backwards compatible and impact is small. As to these reviewers issues with power demands, I have no idea where they came from or are going with that.... any necessary power > 75 watts power comes from the cables plugged directly into the card
>>343428331
>Some guy makes you look like an idiot
>Hurt durr just triggering
If youre so paranoid and concerned about your hardware you can easily underwolt the card and save yourself around 30W without losing any performance. 165W - 30W = 135W. Here. Your "problem is fixed".
>rx 480 is shit, pay $70 dolarroos for 1060 for better performance
Great recommendation fuccois, now what card do I buy that's right under the power of the 480? A 960?
>>343431541
AMD is failing because some retarded fanbois can't grasp reality?
Shiiiiiet I guess NVIDIA has been dead for ages now.
>>343431520
He literally said he doesnt know shit. Thats why he asked other people.
>>343431490
>posting TTL
I want Reddit to leave.
I love how he thinks he discovered something so obvious anyone with the slightest knowledge of overclocking would know.
>>343431239
>source
shit man I can't remember where I read it or if it was in a jewtube video. I'm not 100% certain that board does shut down but the 990FXA rings a bell
>>343431746
Ok. You can't read.
The guy he contacted said that SPIKES ARE NOT A PROBLEM BUT SUSTAINED POWER DRAW IS.
Obviously he won't go on the fucking record.
AYYMDShill
>>343431707
>pay $70 dolarroos for 1060 for better performance
What are you on about faggot?
>>343431816
>One vendor told me directly that while spikes as high as 95 watts of power draw through the PCIE connection are tolerated without issue, sustained power draw at that kind of level would likely cause damage.
That one GTX 960 Strix had spikes as high as 225 watts. Small spike like that is obviously not a problem.
>>343431868
He means $70 more
>>343432439
Yeah, and the RX480 matches the 980, amirite? We know extremely little about the 1060, and rumors are rarely accurate.
>>343432439
>$70 more
>Better drivers
>Better performance
>Won't destroy your mobo
Seems like a fair deal.
But realistically, it's going to be priced closer $250, so it's not even a deal breaker.
>nvidia fucks up
>OH MY GOOOD NVIDIOTS DEAD HOOOLY SHIT FUCKKKKK!!
>N-NO IT'S NOT TRUE ITS NOT AN ISSUE
>amd fucks up
>OH MY GOOOD AMDTARDS DEAD HOOOLY SHIT FUCKKKKK!!
>N-NO IT'S NOT TRUE ITS NOT AN ISSUE
both of these companies could make their cards into grenades and I'm certain people would defend their grenades over other grenades saying that "Their explosion felt more impressive" or "all of my shrapnel got lodged in my body X BABBIES FUCKING BLOWN OUT"
>>343431239
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
Seems to be mentioned here. OP of that thread has even uploaded pics of his RX 480 and mobo.
