Can we agree that AMD has saved pc gaming?
Nvidia is going bankrupt by 2018 remember this!
Amd is actually 2 years Ahead of nvidia when it comes to technology
It's a neat card for it's price range but I'm more interested in the 490
>>343385951
Except it isn't.
>>343386039
grow up nvidia shill
>>343385951
>>343386309
Case closed. Shit card is shit.
>>343385951
>Amd is actually 2 years Ahead of nvidia when it comes to technology
Is that why their new card is slower, louder and hotter than a 2 year old gtx 970?
>>343386309
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
ARE YOU THIS STUPID ?? HAHAHA NVIDIA DRONES ARE SO FUCKING STUPID ITS FUNNY
read a book really..
>>343385951
If they are ahead, why are they afraid of head on competition and choose to avoid high end market?
>>343386442
Yeah wrong.
filtered and ignored nvidia shill
>>343386518
They are afraid of all the house fires a high end polaris would cause
hearthstone and Path of Exile already run fine on older cards
I need to see good upcoming games before I'll care about the graphics card warz
>>343385951
It just makes me sad. I remember when my friend bough a 9800pro and I was so fucking jealous.
AMD is just crap these days.
>>343386498
wow sick argument
>>343386737
ignored and filtered
>upgrading from a 5830 to 1070
Will I notice a difference?
>>343385951
Thank you Pajeet, 12 rupees have been deposited into your account. Remember, you get a bonus if you deny the failed PCI-E specification.
>>343387008
>he fell for the pci-E specification is bad meme
grow the fuck up... it has litterally NOTHING to say to the consumer dumb fuck
![if-george-costanza-quotes-were-motivational-poste-2-29786-1432063293-24_dblbig[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t2k5ah1.jpg "if-george-costanza-quotes-were-motivational-poste-2-29786-1432063293-24_dblbig[1].jpg")
>People bashing a $200 card for performing like +$300 cards
ISHYGDDTthe reference model does have really shitty cooling though
>>343386442
Averaged out to be in-between a 970 and a 980 and that's with project cars gimpworks massively effecting the numbers. Considering that's it's $199 and a reference card with a shit cooler with launch drivers, it's pretty good.
>>343385951
I saw this exact same thread on /g/ and /b/ like two seconds ago, fuck off jew.
>>343387453
Project Cars isn't a part of pcgamer's benchmarks.
Nice try.
>>343387421
>performing like a card that was released at $330 2 years ago
fixed
>>343387421
the 300 dollar card is two years old. and is cheaper than the rx 480 (in europe at least)
>current year
>being a poo in the loo
>shilling for any company
>false flagging
The 480 is pretty neat but you're retarded OP (even if merely pretending).
>>343387721
>>343387692
>performing like a card released 2 years ago at $300 and is still $280+
>>343386309
>a $200 card performing like a $300 card
Nothing wrong here.
>>343387692
what bizzare world do you live in where nvidia ever lowers prices?
nvidia still charges 200$ for a 960
>>343388187
http://videocardz.com/61116/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-receive-a-price-cut
?
>>343386309
>>343387453
>nvidiots who bought the meme 970
>BTFO by 390
>now BTFO again by 480
ROFL
>>343386205
>failed PCI specifications
>overpriced
>literally fatally flawed before it even released to the public
>>343386309
>Arkham Knight
>60FPS at 1440p
>on AMD hardware
Did they finally fix the game?
AMD FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/
AMD's new budget card fails PCI-E specifications and will likely cause degradation to your motherboard over time. Also if you don't have a fast i7 (remember, budget card) you'll get worse performance than a 970 because of shit drivers that chew through cpu cycles
B T F O
T
F
O
>>343388249
the latest meme in the shill wars is that nvidia gimps their old cards, why should we stop falling for dumb marketing bullshit (or memes as its known on 4chan now) now that nvidia is getting targeted?
>>343388581
>>343388497
>NDF latching onto every flaw they can find
.
>>343388734
>card literally has the potential to fry motherboards
Fuck off AMDrone enjoy your shitty broken card
.
>>343388734
>card literally has the potential to fry motherboards
Fuck off AMDrone enjoy your shitty broken card
>>343387453
>Considering that's it's $199
I love this meme
>>343388497
>>343388581
>the majority of the motherboard failed the specification
>tons of PSU failed the specification
75watt is the standard compliance that manufacture needs to get, minimum, to be certified.
They are free to go over the spec as they pleased provided they are build to handle it.
>a bugdet motherboard won't go over the 72watt on a 16-lane PCI-E given the maximum power a standard single 12v rail can provide
>a gayming motherboard were build with better terminal which allow it to draw more than double off a single rail and were build to sustain it
>this allow a gayming motherboard to have more than a single PCI-E connector
>which explain a disparity between the reviewers, and different power limit users can achieve depending on the motherboard
tldr; unless you have a shitty, no name motherboard you don't have to worry
>>343388816
If the motherboard were not build to handle the power it set to deliver, then they should throw that shit out anyway.
>>343388927
>implying the people buying this shitty low end card will have anything but a shitty, no name motherboard
>>343385951
POO
>>343388528
It was never broken. Just launch day missing some rain textures
>mobo is shit, thinking of replacing it
>gpu fucking dies
>thinking of getting the new amd card
>watch some vids of it
>the ports on the back doesnt support my shit monitor
might as well kill myself
>>343387453
249 dollars for sure, and no OC capacity.
>>343389040
A shitty low end motherboard will have shitty connector that will only allow it draw a maximum 75watt over a single 12v rail.
Were not talking about a mere shit here, were talking about a turd amongst turd.
Its not easy to get this kind of turd in the open market really, maybe somewhere in deepest part of China.
Same shit can be said about powersupply unit.
You would be retarded if you want that shit in your fucking PC.
>>343388927
>which explain a disparity between the reviewers
Every reviewer that has measured PCI-E power has noticed the issue. There is no disparity, except the few watts here and there that arise because testing methodologies differ, and there are differences in the GPUs (some may run at higher voltages, etc).
Also
>I asked around our friends in the motherboard business for some feedback on this issue - is it something that users should be concerned about or are modern day motherboards built to handle this type of variance? One vendor told me directly that while spikes as high as 95 watts of power draw through the PCIE connection are tolerated without issue, sustained power draw at that kind of level would likely cause damage. The pins and connectors are the most likely failure points - he didn’t seem concerned about the traces on the board as they had enough copper in the power plane to withstand the current.
>unless you have a shitty, no name motherboard you don't have to worry
Yeah, no. Don't remember all the VRM failure incidents on AMD motherboards some years back? They weren't no name motherboards.
http://www.overclock.net/a/database-of-motherboard-vrm-failure-incidents
Besides, do you think someone buying a $200 GPU is going to spend money on a decent mobo?
>>343389132
>>343389306
If only there was some cheap converter you could buy
>>343389321
>A shitty low end motherboard will have shitty connector that will only allow it draw a maximum 75watt over a single 12v rail.
This is not how motherboards work.
Why do people who clearly know nothing feel the need to share their "knowledge". Just shut up already.
>>343389458
I-is that a thing? I'm sorry, anon. I'm not that good with pc stuff which is why I ended up with a shit mobo
AMDrones, why would you buy a 480 over a 1070?
The 1070 is by FAAAAAAAR the better card, and with the 480 being overpriced like fuck, why not spend the extra 100 bucks and learn what gaming in Ultra looks like.
>itt kiddos so insecure about their video card purchases they feel the need to defend themselves
>"you fell for ___ meme"
>"gtfo shill"
>x-idiot vs y-drone
You guys are class A acts.
>>343389562
Extra $200.
>worse than GTX 970
>overheats to 90+ degrees
>draws more power from PCIE slot and literally crashes computers and fries motherboards
AMD KEKS WERE HYPED FOR THIS HAHAHA.
>>343389538
Literally google "(port you have on monitor) (port you have on GPU) converter".
>>343389586
480 is seeing like 300 dollar pricing.
Only about 100 buck to hit the 1070.
>>343385951
>Amd is actually 2 years Ahead of nvidia when it comes to technology
So what you're saying is that in 2 years drivers will be unnecessary?
>>343389664
where the fuck is the 1070 400?
its fucking 500 everywhere
>>343389562
All of the decent 1070s are a minimum of $200 more. And that's if they're even in stock.
Gonna have to wait for aftermarket 480s I guess.
>>343389593
Those aren't arguments. Can't believe Nvidia is willing to pay you shills to put so little effort into this.
In fact, I'm buying two 480s now just to spite you Nvidiots. Xfire 480s are proven to outperform a 1080, even before overclocking
>>343389538
can a a DVI-D to HDMI adaptor give me 144fps? HDMI can only handle so much bandwidth and is limited to 60.
>>343389697
>two years ahead
They wish.
The 14nm architecture they have is fucking laughable.
The amount of power that card consumes for its performance is easily last gen.
>yfw AMD needs 600w to get 1080 performance on 14nm.
>>343385951
>he hasn't heard about the pci-e debacle and how the 480 is going to get gimped to shit because it will burst into flames
almost got one too, dodged that bullet
>>343389697
savage
>>343389664
If you buy from scalpers maybe. But that applies to 1070 too.
You could get a 480 for $200. The cheapest 1070 is $400 currently.
>>343389721
Yeah, nvidia fucked up. I'd rather have a 1070 than a 480 but I'm not willing to wait however many weeks to find one that's reasonably priced and in stock. Not into getting price gouged.
>tfw you just bought gtx 1080
>>343389754
HDMI 2.0 can do 120Hz which is pretty damn close.
>>343389823
Why so sad, anon?
You literally have the best consumer grade GPU on the market.
>card destroys your PC by pumping 200W through PCI-e
>barely on par with a 2 years old GTX3.5
Well, I wanted to believe at least. I wish intel jumps into GPU market.
>>343389410
>Every reviewer that has measured PCI-E power has noticed the issue.
Every reviewer that tested this all have powerful, multi lanes and expensive motherboard on their bench.
I'm talking about a disparity between some reviews that somehow have lower power limit and draw which is most likely because of their respective motherboard.
>The pins and connectors are the most likely failure points
Which concern the overall quality build of a standard motherboard, which he is grossly underestimate.
>http://www.overclock.net/a/database-of-motherboard-vrm-failure-incidents
>VRM failure on CPU
Which not the topic at hand, also this is all on the motherboard manufacture side and not AMD where their shitty VRAM were below the advertised spec.
You could also look at the GPU Vram issue tho, which is much more related.
>>343389501
That is how it work.
A standard 12v on the 24-pin motherboard connector can draw up to 75watt per rail due to their contact material and quality.
PCI-E lanes were fed through these lanes.
Cheap mobo wouldn't waste extra choker and shit like that on the second rail if it only have a single 16-lane PCI-E.
>>343389809
>tfw bought a Founders card on release day
Barely any buyers remorse.
The 1070 isn't thermally limited overclock wise, and you can make a fan curve that keeps it cool at 2.1.
Problem is, even now there are a few games that bottleneck my 2500k (RoT, Syndicate)
>>343389856
>Why so sad, anon?
Because he could've gone crossfire with two 480s instead which would give him better performance for less money.
>>343389720
I just bought an MSI one off Newegg for $430.
Was gonna buy a 1080 but decided to use the extra money to upgrade my processor.
You gotta just shop around for da deals mang. Don't buy the cards that are like, OC MODE, GAMING MODE, EXTREME MODE. They hike up the price by $70 when you can just do it yourself.
>The card is shit
>Yeah but it's CHEAP shit
>>343387453
>le retail price of $200 meme
>no OC
>AMD getting fucked by awful optimizing for many games
ayy senpai-desu~
>>343389997
>crossfire
Stuttery shit.
>>343385951
>AMD makes new card
>People go apeshit like "AMDoes what NVIDIAint"
>they say Nvidia will be bancrupt soon
>a year later: Amd isn't doing so well
>People blame it on shitty drivers and that nvidiacards are doing better in performance because them
>2 Years later
>AMD makes new card...
>People go apeshit like "AMDoes what NVIDIAint"...
>Mfw it's now 2004
>Mfw it isn't even called AMD yet
So who here is actually older than 12 to learn from history?
>>343389997
At this point, we BOTH know that's not true.
Not to mention that anyone with a brain knows that one card at 95% performance is way better than 100% with two.
>>343390042
>>343390029
At those prices, only an idiot who doesn't understand how easy overclocking is would get the 480.
>>343389796
>You could get a 480 for $200
Need source.
>>343389132
>It was never broken.
You can stop now.
>>343389729
>can actively damage your hardware
>on par with a 2 years old card at best
>those aren't arguments
Just a general reminder you should stop pretending to know what you're talking about.
>>343390019
There's nothing wrong with budget cards. I paid $120 for my GTX 750Ti and I've never regretted it for a moment.
$200 (when you can actually get them at that price) is great for what you get out of the 480. It's a little shady that they were trying to pass it off like a 1080-killer with their crossfire meme, but it's not a bad deal for its price, once they fix it.
>>343389997
If you want to frie your mobo, sure
>>343390009
FUCK LIVING IN EUROPE.
The 1070 is a billion dollars>:(
![[LoliSubs] Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta - 09 (AT-X 1280x720 x264 AAC).mkv_snapshot_05.06_[2016.06.03_01.08.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vV64wLK.jpg "[LoliSubs] Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta - 09 (AT-X 1280x720 x264 AAC).mkv_snapshot_05.06_[2016.06.03_01.08.09].jpg")
Wooow I'm just so glad that a 200$ card performs the same as last years 300$ card. Oh thats just so wonderful.
Fuck the reference card.
AMD is fucking retarded when they slammed this card with a single 6peg and a shitty cooler.
This GPU should have 8peg and clocked at 1400mhz and it will trade blows with 980 just like that.
Waiting for custom board, another 2 weeks or more fuck.
>>343389573
>posting anime
Yeah fuck off fat nerd virgin
>>343390349
More like 250 because the 4G version wasn't tested yet.
Also draws more power than a fucking 1070 while being twice less powerful.
>>343390284
seriously, it's like that in east asia too.
玄人志向 (kuroutoshikou) is selling a "cost down" model that runs about 560USD but they sell out super quick and I'm afraid "cost down" is code for "made cheaply"
>>343390352
Those are some low as fuck 1070 clocks.
Shit, they boost up to 1850 out of the box and sit at 2.0-2.1 pretty easily.
Even the Founders does that pretty well.
>>343390352
need a 970 oc in this graph, for the lultz
Hello.
I am the AMD killer.
>>343389310
>no OC capacity
Testing is pointing to a power draw ceiling. 8-pin partner board designs like the Sapphire Nitro will test the card's true mettle.
>>343390424
>Also draws more power than a fucking 1070
Tone down the shilling, anon
You might hurt yourself
>>343390274
Pretty sure modern motherboard will shut down when it went overvolatge on its component.
Looking at >>343389410 link it seems that Asus mobo back then already have this feature with only a single questionable report.
So yeah, I don't think frying is an issue ever since fermi/phenom era.
>>343390284
My brother just got a 1070 for 675USD because he had anintegrated graphics card
1080 costs around 1050USD here. It's absolutely absurd.
>>343390464
This.
If they make a 980 performing card for like 220, AMD is literally finished.
>buying the newest hardware of anything
Are some people that retarded? If you want to waste money for overpriced stuff, go ahead
>>343385951
>200$
It's pretty good for the price, don't know why they went with 6pin. AIB already reported 1.6Ghz Core versions. This card is power limited. Heatsink is also trash. DX12 performance is off the charts, which leads me to believe with driver improvements DX11 will also rise, they added some stuff that been present in nVidia for quite some time, like adaptive clock+boost, proper ones this time. For ~250$ 8gig aftermarket version from Sapphire, MSI, PC or some other vendor with great cooler and lots of power it will be a great buy.
But. There is a problem. It's a card that performs a bit better than 970 and draws power like 970. So it's basically AMD Maxwell 1 year later for half the price. It's a good deal, but not as exciting if I put it this way.
>>343390464
>Buying mid-range Nvidia
>>343386987
Hardly
>>343390474
It's more like roughly the same.
Some games the 480 draws more, some games the 1070 does.
Still, that's remarkably inefficient for this gen.
Thinking of grabbing another one but I may just wait till the 1080ti comes out.
Looking to upgrade to 21:9 1440p so i'll need the extra power
>>343390521
poorfag workingclass detected
I want to upgrade my card but I don't follow all this stuff
Is there a good website to help me out
>Getting new Gfx card at the beginning of the new series lifecycle
>Getting reference cards
>Ever
also inb4 tards start justifying their consumer idiocy with the "i'm not a poorfag" argument.
>>343387421
>a $200 card
Kek where? It costs 299 € (USD 331) in EU.
>>343390183
Did you not check newegg on release date?
>>343390464
>299
>3gb
not you aren't. But it will be much more efficient, so perfect for low power build or mobile.
![Game.of.Thrones.S06E10.720p.HDTV.x264-AVS.mkv_snapshot_00.18.08_[2016.06.27_00.46.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ekrfQ1g.jpg "Game.of.Thrones.S06E10.720p.HDTV.x264-AVS.mkv_snapshot_00.18.08_[2016.06.27_00.46.46].jpg")
I wanted to be excited for this new card because I thought AMD was going to bring something powerful t the table, but NO A BUDGET CARD.
Honestly fuck this industry sometimes, I don't like the fact that Nvidia owns a monoply on GFX cards but I'm not stupid enough to buy an outdated budget card at a cheap price just so I can tell Nvidia to go metaphorically fuck themselves.
You just have to bite the bullet and keep buying their shit because they just make the better shit.
>>343390474
>S-stop telling it how it is
>>343390605
>mfw I have a reference 1070
>mfw it's better than anything in your rig
>mfw overclocked to 2.1 sitting at 57C under load
>>343390284
How much does international shipping cost? If there's that much of a price difference, would it not be cheaper to import it, or have a friend mail you one or something?
>>343390239
Spikes != consistently over spec
http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480
THIS KILLS THE AMD.
HAHAHAHA
>>343390561
duel would be much better then just a single ti
>>343390725
The idea being i'd get 2 1080ti's after selling my 1080
>amd shitty cooler have the same heat and noise output as Nvidia FE cooler
How.jpg
Saved what exactly? If I wanted a processor that sucked ass at emulation, I'd of bought AMD years ago. If I wanted to complain about hairworks, gameworks, tesselation, drivers, I'd of bought an AMD video card years ago.
I paid a bit more for my Intel/Nvidia parts, but I bought during black Friday so even my i5-4690k was $180 (nearly 2 years ago).
For anyone whose been building PCs long enough, AMD has a lot of ground to make up for. I'm certainly not gimping my build over supporting the 'underdog'. Fuck that. AMD was once a smaller company than Intel that could actually compete processor-wise. I loved them back then. Now I couldn't care if they go out of business. Choice is good, but not when the 2nd choice is shit. Might as well be a presidential election.
>>343390662
>Mfw in half a year your reference card will be overpriced, underspecced shit
>Mfw it's shitty fan has probably died by than
Rx480 is for people who want to play at 1080p and have no interest in OCing their card. It does that pretty well and is a good deal for $230.
>>343390710
>480: 1
>1060: 1.1
>line is 2 miles longer
This can't be real, this shit is straight from /g/ shitposting MSPaint comics folder.
>>343390565
There is nothing coming close to how fast hardware is dropping in price. It's not even required for most games for the full potential
>>343390809
>>343390809
>>343390809
>>343390809
nvidia boys lets celebrate our victory
>>343390797
The FE cooler is actually pretty decent, you just have to set a nice fan curve.
Highest I've ever seen was 75, and that was at the end of a two hour stress test.
>>343385951
>Can we agree that AMD has saved pc gaming?
No, PC gaming didn't need to be saved.
It just got better.
>>343390710
kek they are repaying them for the 3.5 stuff AMD did.
>>343390826
That's the power of marketing
>>343390818
I sense jealousy...
Also
>underspecced
>in a card that reaches the voltage limit of its architecture STOCK.
Only way to get a faster 1070 is to play the lottery senpai
>>343389997
>Crossfire "high-end" AMD's
>>343390643
A) You don't need high vram for gaming
B) there's 6gb option also
>>343387092
>performance of the card forced to be throttled down
>can't even overclock it or you kill your mainboard
>>343390939
and i sense a case of beginning buyers remorse.
>>343390928
>kek they are repaying them for the 3.5 stuff AMD did.
funny thing AMD didn't go there, "4 means 4" is a fan made slide.
AMD adds salt in async wound, but they never made any comments on 3.5
>>343390809
>>343390809
lmao
>>343390710
>b-but 3GB
>b-but 300$ probably
>b-but jews
>>343389754
Just wait for board partners to release a card with DVI-D or just use DP passive reduction you huge tool.
>>343391029
Only in that I should have waited another month on my shit 570 and gotten a 1080.
>>343390710
@980 performance this put this GPU just about 30% below.
The shader spec is high, but it have lower bandwidth that would probably make up with the new compression tech. At this tier of performance I expect the GPU pricing to be just below the $300 msrp mark or else it'll make an already good priced GTX1070 lose its value more.
Given Nvidia price history in this segment, I don't think we can expect better price/perf compared to GTX1070.
>>343390850
No it's not. I could not wait to get my EK water block on mine
It's actually a great card if you're into mid-range. Performs like a $300 GTX 970 at a $200 price point and without the 3.5GB nonsense.
The problem with it is that the GTX 1070 is such a big leap over the 970 and 980 that the 480 doesn't have a long life ahead of it. It won't be as competitive within a year as the prices for 1070s drop.
>>343390480
>Pretty sure modern motherboard will shut down when it went overvolatge on its component.
Nope. That's the most worrysome thing about the PCI-E shit AMD managed to pull, there's no safe measure if things go apeshit.
>>343391094
Make it 4 and you got exactly my point, i will wait for a nice non ref 1080 no need to buy it double because i want to jump in early.
>>343391120
What's your curve look like?
Mine's steep, but I rarely go over 60C.
>>343391238
>4XX series
Shit anon.
Turn off the computer and wait a few days.
Electricity bill should give you enough savings.
>>343389593
>worse than GTX 970
Objectively false. >>343387453
>overheats to 90+ degrees
You mean reference coolers are garbage? How shocking. We certainly weren't hearing day in and day out about how much blower designs chew shit when the 1080 and 1070 launched. And boy howdy, you can forget about years and years of history teaching us anything about the virtue of patience when it comes to reference vs partner designs.
>literally crashes computers and fries motherboards
Concerns of the long-term effects of overdrawing from the PCI-E slot, but have yet to occur to a single person using a 480
>>343390193
>on par with a 2 years old card at best
This argument keeps popping up, yet ceases to be of any value. Yes, the 480 bests the competitor's next tier up product from the previous generation while being priced lower. And yes, it's not a revolutionary new concept, in fact it's rather typical of a new GPU generation. So why do you all try to downplay it like that? Like it's now some sort of negative, as if the 480 is now somehow falling below par? The 970 was between the 290 and 290X when it launched, now the 480 is between the 970 and 980 on its launch. So did the 970 fall short as well?
>>343391240
I mean I got an EK water block with 360+240mm of rad. My fans are undervolted to run at 500 RPMs
>>343391106
Only reason why 1070 and 1080 are so expensive is because someppl are scalping. They will be cheaper once scalping ends.
>>343391235
Do you guys think that the rails goes straight to the lanes?
It went through hoop and loops before it reach the lanes.
Modern motherboard were designed to trip on any occasion, through all their lanes.
The only reason why it draw more power without the board shutting down is because the motherboard think its safe to do just that, and it was designed that way.
>>343386853
Ignored and filtered
>>343391357
I know, I'm just wondering what your curve looked like stock.
I haven't seen any load temps on air that made me concerned enough to consider a water block. And I'm running at 2090mhz.
>>343391475
It's the noise that gets me on the stock cooler. Even at 50% fan speed it was way to loud fo me
>>343390850
The same is true of the 480, AMD set it low to hit a noise target. Difference is that the 1080 thermal throttles on stock fan speeds, where the 480 lets itself get pushed to higher temps.
Also neither one is pretty decent. Blower designs are worse than Cancer of the AIDS.
>>343390710
I like the 192bit bus, shouldn't kill the card like they basically killed 960 and refused to make 960ti to force people to buy 970. Now all they need to do to achieve monopoly at pretty much every pricepoint is to sell it for 200 bucks.
>>343391545
That makes sense.
I work in construction and my hearings a bit fucked.
I either use headphones, or always have a fuckhuge box fan running due to tinnitus.
Hello
I'm, here to bring tear to AMDcucк faces
tanks
>>343391285
>4xx?
read again - make it 4 _months_ you have to wait to get a new card that's when the better nonref cards should appear on the market.
Also unless Ati/amd proves me wrong for the first time in my life, get nvidia card to save money and tears.
>>343391338
>So why do you all try to downplay it like that?
So why are you trying to bring it up as something special just for GPU wars purposes? It's the norm and to be expected. It's also expected that 1060 will come out soon and will be relatively the same yet people keep praising the 480 like the second coming of christ.
Anyone who cared already upgraded to a 970 2 years ago. If people skipped it it's because they didn't feel the need to upgrade yet and a 970 tier card isn't going to be the one they upgrade too. They'll get a 1070 to last them more.
>>343391594
Ah, I work a white collar gig and my hearing is
exceptional.
>>343391637
Oh.
My bad senpai
>>343391605
How are they going to neuter the card when people have already bought it you dumb nigger?
>>343391338
>in fact it's rather typical of a new GPU generation
It's not.
New generations generally lead to either 1) higher performance, 2) lower power consumption. 1080, for example, easily beats 980 while drawing a similar amount of power, and beats 980 Ti while drawing less power. 970, when it launched, had similar performance in comparison to 290X, but did so while drawing significantly less power.
What does 480 do? It offers similar performance as 970 with a similar power draw. AMD obviously knew this, and was forced to compete with price instead.
Idk I'll get 1070. It's better in every way.
>>343391897
True
>>343391605
This is fucking retarded, as expected of HardOCP.
>violating PCI-E spec
PCI-E complaince require the lanes to provide at least 75watt (8% -+) of current on a 16 lanes.
Going OVER this spec does not violate the compliance, but under delivering will.
Also, the compliance were not enforced, ITC can't do shit in this regard.
If SIG and ITC enforce this OVER spec violation, EVERY SINGLE MOTHERBOARD AND PSU MANUFACTURE will be banned from the import simply because ALL THESE MANUFACTURE GOES OVER THE PCI-E SPEC in their product all the damn time.
>I am an attorney
The first thing an attorney would do is educate themselves on the matter before commenting.
>>343392037
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#Power
Educate yourself nigger under which condition what specifications allowed
>>343391897
>replacing my motherboard and getting a high tier CPU is not much more than half the price of getting a 1070
>>343392037
>>343392142
https://www.asus.com/support/faq/104406/
>>343391876
When people mention GPU generation they often made the comparison between the same architecure, not cross comparing them.
GTX 1070 is all what it is GTX 970 whilst RX 480 is all the shit you said if you compared to R9 380.
>>343392037
>>343392142
http://download.csdn.net/detail/jianjunzaixian/9229521
>>343392037
You are a fucking moron.
If a part is mean to GIVE power, then "spec compliant" means "deliver at least this amount".
If a part is meant to TAKE power, then ot means "take up to this amount".
For mobos to violate the spec they must underdeliver.
For GPUs to violate the spec they must overconsume.
I hope this is clear enough for a retard like you.
>>343390654
That's pretty sad considering the speed difference between 1070 and 480.
AMDfags should just kill themselves already.
>>343392037
>A standard height x16 add-in card intended for server I/O applications must limit its power dissipation to 25 W. A standard height x16 add-in card intended for graphics applications must, at initial power-up, not exceed 25 W of power dissipation, until configured as a high power device, at which time it must not exceed 75 W of power dissipation. Refer to Chapter 6 of the PCI Express Base Specification, Revision 1.1 for information on the power configuration mechanism.
>>343390957
> Monitor clearly not using the graphics card
> Still catch fire
Holy shit...
>>343392275
exactly. would do world a favor
>>343390284
>>343390502
I'm so sorry bros, why don't you just move over here to the land of the free? Your country is going full Captain America: Civil War anyways.
>>343391650
>So why are you trying to bring it up as something special just for GPU wars purposes?
An excerpt from the post that you just quoted:
>the 480 bests the competitor's next tier up product from the previous generation while being priced lower. And yes, it's not a revolutionary new concept, in fact it's rather typical of a new GPU generation
Anyway...
>people keep praising the 480 like the second coming of christ.
If someone does this, then fair game pointing out that the circumstance is nothing special, but that argument gets thrown out at people who just point out that the 480 is a good $200 card that performs better than what the $300 landscape was offering less than a month ago, even if they're not making a big deal about it or throwing it in anyone's face.
>Anyone who cared already upgraded to a 970 2 years ago. If people skipped it it's because they didn't feel the need to upgrade yet and a 970 tier card isn't going to be the one they upgrade too
Or they skipped it because $330 was out of their reach at the time but $200 is doable now. Or they had upgraded recently and felt it was too soon to go up again, but it's been long enough now and the 480's level of performance is still compelling to them. Or they're just building their first computer now, or just getting their first serious GPU. There's still a huge market for the 480 to grab a hold of, the 970's existence didn't somehow make it disappear. And the 1060 will try to grab hold of that market too, for that matter, which is why that card is being made in the first place.
https://archive.is/JebZR
>>343390826
/g/ is gonna eat this graphic up
>>343392454
It's been archived??
>>343386205
W-wait for the 490 anon, its the 1080 killer
>>343392545
490 will be competitive to 1060, but problem is they missed the date, it should've been released on the date of 480, not 5 weeks after rx480
>>343392180
>tfw when you cpu+mobo cost more then your gpu
why must x99 cost so goddamn much
>>343392251
>>343392197
>>343392302
Nigga I've read these document many times order, read these compliance shit over and over again.
But truth be told that tons of manufacture 'violate' these compliance and I see jack shit about them bans or enforcement n stuff.
For fuck sake I didn't even hear any shit about these compliance shit when Fermi literally burned from the overvoltage.
>>343392236
>When people mention GPU generation they often made the comparison between the same architecure
What? 480 uses a new architecture. 1070 uses a new architecture. You obviously compare new cards to the older ones, so obviously you compare cards of differing architectures with new GPU generations (unless we're dealing with refreshes).
Did you mean to say that you shouldn't be comparing new AMD cards with old nvidia cards, or new nvidia cards with old AMD cards? That'd be dumb as hell, and equivalent to throwing AMD in the baby league. Sure, you can compare new AMD cards with the older ones and see what improvements have been made, but regardless of how much they improve in comparison to themselves, they're still shit if they can't match the competition.
>>343390565
Richtard detected. Go play with your golden toy and post vid on here pls.
>>343392526
rebb.it/4qfwd4
up to date version
>>343392672
Intel will drop their pricesneveras soon AMD picks up the pace and can actually compete with Intelwhich if ZEN fails, is never
>>343391876
>New generations generally lead to either 1) higher performance
That's what the 480 does, it's what the 1070 does, it's what the 970 did, it's what happens just about every generation, idiot. Higher performance peaks are reached at the top end of the market, but for everything below it, it's all about maintaining about the same price point as the previous gen card of the same tier, but hitting around the performance of the next tier up from the previous gen. It's still an increase in performance relative to the same tier of the previous gen.
In other words, thank you for re-making my point.
>>343392668
Judging by the 480, the 490 will be a bucket of shit too.
Until the specs of it come out you cannot say.
The 1060 will sell
>>343392813
atleast I don't need another cpu for another 5-6 years atleast since cpu tech is stagnant as fuck nowadays
>>343392738
>Nigga I've read these document many times order, read these compliance shit over and over again.
Considering you got your facts completely wrong, and told someone who got them right to "go educate themselves" like some retarded SJW, I don't think you've read the documents.
>But truth be told that tons of manufacture 'violate' these compliance
Proof?
>I see jack shit about them bans or enforcement n stuff.
Shit often doesn't happen if it doesn't get enough attention.
>For fuck sake I didn't even hear any shit about these compliance shit when Fermi literally burned from the overvoltage.
And what "compliance shit" was Fermi violating?
>>343392747
480 is a new generation of AMD lineup while 1070 is a new generation of their lineup.
>Did you mean to say that you shouldn't be comparing new AMD cards with old nvidia cards, or new nvidia cards with old AMD cards?
When comparing between generation, yes.
At least for GPU's, this has been the case since forever.
Since this is /v/ and were dealing with console kiddies, I assume you are used to make such comparison from console war to make such assumption.
>>343389562
Its $200 more you fucking imbecile
Leave
>>343392904
For gaming maybe, but for rendering video, audio or photog work, 6 core with HT is welcome feature, more would be even better but the prices wont come down until AMD steps up.
>>343392813
God damn it I wish AMD at least acted like they knew what the hell they're doing. Both Nvidia and Intel would be better if they had real competition.
I've already made my CPU and GPU choice this generation (neither were AMD) but I'm seriously hoping they do well this time around.
>>343392839
You forgot to read the rest of my post, retard.
>>343392949
>At least for GPU's, this has been the case since forever.
Maybe in your dream world.
>you're not allowed to make these comparisons because reasons!
>>343392738
>nigga
You lost any respect I had for you & stopped reading.
You are a kiddie so are totally clueless
>>343392870
They'll add a extra pin connector, so it's either a 8pin or 6+8 (like the MSI 1070 card) for the 490. Hopefully some aftermarket 480 cards will do this too.
>>343389562
The b8 is strong with this one
>>343392916
>Proof?
Motherbaord manufacture breaking the maximum lanes in the stated spec.
Powersupply manufacture exceed their PCI-E connector spec by a fuckton.
You can read further here
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/amds-radeon-hd-6990-the-new-single-card-king/5
>So what does the PCI-SIG think about cards such as the 6990 which exceed the PCIe specification?
>In a nutshell, they don’t directly care.
>>343393093
Fuck you too nigga
>>343393019
>For gaming maybe, but for rendering video, audio or photog work
got a 5820k, should be set until atleast 2021 for pretty much anything I could possibly do
>>343392668
>1060
it will shit on the 1070 and there's nothing you can do
>>343393319
just like the 480 was a 980ti killer? and two totally outdo a 1080.
Yep we saw how that ended up didnt we
>>343393319
For 490 be any viable threat to 1070, the 480 should not have been so inefficient and bad that it cannot compete with 980.
>>343393397
In case you forgot somehow, there is no 990 card to compete against.
Considering Ti is effectively equivalent to Fury/Titan tier of overspending money
>>343385951
>Amd is actually 2 years Ahead of nvidia when it comes to technology
>AMD = 2016
>Makes brightly colored plastic spoons
>Nvidia = 1500 BC
>Makes metal spears
>>343393509
480 is equivalent to 970
980 is much better than either
1060 is equivalent to 980 or better
1070 is much much better than 980
What are the odds 490 will land on 1070 territory?
>>343393602
>1060 is equivalent to 980
Wow, that delusion.
>>343393174
More quotes
>It is worth noting however that while the PCI-SIG does have power specifications, they’re not a principal concern of the group and they want to avoid doing anything that would limit product innovation.
>While the 300W specification was laid out under the belief that a further specification would not be necessary, the PCI-SIG does not even test for power specification compliance under their current compliance testing procedures.
In other word, what compliance?
The concern of frying your mobo is entirely on your mobo spec n shit.
If it can't handle the wattage and fried instead of shutting down you can just RMA that shit.
Its a non issue and nvidia shills is overblowing this shit up.
>>343390502
Blame the government for outrageous taxation.
>>343393648
http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480
>>343386309
Why is the resolution so shit?
But desu, 490 could be entertaining. The only problem is, IT'S LATE FROM THE GAME!!! It should've been launched on the day of 480, packed with more than a single 6 pin connector. AMD seriously shot themselves on the foot, they don't have anything to counter 1060 for long time now.
>>343393738
>faster
>less TMUs
>less Shaders
it's going to be on par with rx450
>>343394185
That's not quite how you compare cards.
>>343392409
I don't want to get shot by trigger-happy cops on a really unlucky day. Also I'm not that guy.
>>343393051
>You forgot to read the rest of my post, retard.
I didn't miss a goddamn thing. But let's go over it
>New generations generally lead to EITHER 1) higher performance, 2) lower power consumption
Either. Either performance or power. Either.
>What does 480 do? It offers similar performance as 970 with a similar power draw
Which goes back to your choice of 'either'.
>AMD obviously knew this, and was forced to compete with price instead
Implying that the 970 didn't compete with the 290X on price, but merely on performance and power.
But that's not the case. The 970 landed between the 290 and 290X in performance, but below them in price, around what the 770 launched at. Performance of the previous gen one tier up, but at the price of the same tier of the previous gen. Same with the 1070 non-Founder. Same as the RX 480. As for the power consumption, drop it from the discussion. Maxwell architecture was the exception, not the rule. 970 got a nice bonus from NVidia being ahead of AMD in this regard, but the 770 didn't manage that efficiency leap over the GPUs it displaced, nor did the 670. The price/performance 1-tier upgrade shows up every time, major efficiency boosts are rarer, and usually correspond to a smaller fabrication node.
So with all that said, yes I did read the rest of your post. And quoting it changed not one single point that I made, which is why I didn't quote it the first time. All I did was repeat myself in greater detail.
>>343393392
kek
underrated post
>>343394185
Nvidia cards don't need paper specs, they've always been lower on paper specs than AMD cards. The Nvidia keeps their cards on float with their good drivers. It's been said on "gameworks deliberately gimps kepler" thread on guru3d that nvidia is actually more of a "software company" because of how much emphasis they put on the drivers. The downside is that they don't have the focus on cards older than 2 years, so they will fall short.
>>343394258
how would you compare a card?
see if that nvidia logo and say "it's better"?
>>343394397
the nvidia card got waaaaay higher clocks
who knows if it will be faster
>>343393397
>try to forget the 480 failure
>muh the 490 will destroy the 1070
The ride never stops.
>>343394537
I'm saying it will not have any say with 1070, but it will have good chance of doing better than 1060 if they manage to pull their shit together, and not limit it with a single 6 pin connector + shitty cooling.
>>343394537
It's " The ride never ends".
>>343390710
>15% increase in performance
>no release price
>power usage(none of the people that buy this kind of card care about power usage, dumbass)
>>343385951
fucking hang yourself
>>343394268
If you're white, you're alright.
Honestly those type of things were blown way out of proportion.
>>343392545
>490 is released, turns out to be shit
>oh, but t-the 490 wasn't the 1080 killer, just wait until AMD h-have released the card after t-that!
>meanwhile nvidia have already released something even more impressive than the 1080
>AMD's next card comes out
>it turns out to be a flawed piece of garbage yet again
>"D-D-DELETE THIS, NVIDIA SHILL! Y-YOU'RE J-JUST STUPID AND UNEDUCATED, Y-YOU DON'T KNOW W-WHAT YOU'RE T-TALKING ABOUT!!!"
>>343394336
>Either. Either performance or power. Either.
Sure, it could be both too.
>Which goes back to your choice of 'either'.
Does it? It does neither.
>Implying that the 970 didn't compete with the 290X on price
970 competed with 290X with price as well as with efficiency. There's nothing stopping one from competing from multiple fronts.
>around what the 770 launched at
770 launched at $400, 970 at $330. Quite a difference, though not particularly relevant.
>Maxwell architecture was the exception
Pascal was more efficient than Maxwell. Maxwell was more efficient than Kepler. Kepler was more efficient than Fermi v2. Fermi v2 was more efficient than Fermi v1. That's a lot of exceptions.
>but the 770 didn't manage that efficiency leap over the GPUs it displaced
Such is the nature of rebrands.
>nor did the 670
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_670/29.html
?
You seem insistent on comparing new cards to old cards in the same price bracket. You know, if they released a card that costs just as much as a 2 year old card, that had the same performance, the same efficiency as that 2 year old card, it'd be a complete disaster. No one would bother to buy the card. That is why it doesn't happen, and that's why you think it's typical. So when you have a card that performs the same, and has the same efficiency as a 2 year old card, what do you do? You sell it at a low price. And that's what RX 480 is.
The problem with this approach is that you're at the mercy of your competitor. Nvidia has no issue beating the performance of RX 480. They can beat it, and do so with greater efficiency. If they were to price 1060 at the same price as RX 480, there'd be no real reason for consumers to buy a RX 480. This would force AMD to cut the price of RX 480, if they wanted to actually sell their card.
>>343386498
i do hope this is bait and you're not actually this retarded, that would be incredibly embarrassing for you and your parents who spawned you.
>>343395859
Reported
>>343386309
DELETOS
>>343395859
post of the week
>>343390239
>one defective brand vs faulty design
Nice comparison, faggot.
