Remember that time in Metal Gear Solid 4 when Raiden suddenly got lightning powers?
I'd rather not remember anything about MGS 4, the absolute lowest point of the series, if you don't mind.
the rain transformed
fuck yes I remember this scene.
Everything after mgs2 was bad
>>343373172
Everything after MGS 3 was bad storywise.
YOU ARE THE LIGHTNING IN THAT RAIN
Mgs4 is the best in the series. If you think otherwise you are wrong and
>>343372991
Except it's the highest point in gameplay pre-TPP.
No don't even fucking try it.
Gameplay wise: Free roam mujahid simulator > Yojimbo war sim > The Long Infiltration > Finally FPS aim > Original Metal Gear Solid
All were great, plots may have went downhill but gameplay never failed to improve.
>>343373483
It's easily the worst, actually. And it's not even a close call.
>>343372893
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>>343372893
>I am lightning
>The rain, transformed
Unironically one of my favorite MGS quotes
MGS4 probably had the best aesthetics and atmosphere after MGS1
>he has no lightning power in Rising
Why? Such a loss of potentialstill great game
>>343373740
I did find that weird, considering they got other small details right, like how Raiden flips behind the Gekkos to cut them like he did in that cutscene.
At least they kinda have it with the Monsoon sai.
>>343373376
MGS3 was alright, but it was the beginning of the end. It was the start of Hideo's homolust for BB. The homolust that killed a series. The Boss and her crew were great characters.
So far as MGS2 goes, it's an excellent game in every way.
>>343373740
His power-draw move does shoot some lightning that kills dudes when fully charged, if I remember right.
He got it from fucking Volgin
Prove me wrong
That clearly says lighting, not lightning.
>>343373740
>he has no lightning power in Rising
what, he has this lighting effect in almost all of his moves, if you are talking about throwing lightning and stuff, you are right, would be cool but too anime even for a weeb like kojimbo
MGS4 had some good ideas and solid mechanics, but it really didn't give you enough time to use them.
Remember these enemies, for example? I sure don't, because there's four in the whole game and it's during the turret segment.
I always thought it was cool that Raiden got "magic" powers after the whole nanomachines shit with Vamp. As if to confirm that magic is real. But then they forgot about that for MGR.
Is there any character in video game history who's been as absolutely gutted as post MGS2 Raiden? 4 fucked up literally everything about him then Rising pissed on the open wound
>>343374102
Yes, as in electrick attack, not meant the effects
>>343373554
You're right, which makes the god-tier gameplay being locked behind so many fucking cutscenes and non-fun gameplay sections like the turret section in Act 2 and all of Act 3 even more unbearable.
Raiden's literally the japanese word for lightning
>>343374126
What the fuck, I thought this was some MGSO shit since I never got to play that
>>343372893
Where were his lighting powers in MGR?
![Mgs2_42_8ea[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OtbcIxc.jpg "Mgs2_42_8ea[1].jpg")
Reminder that the US government deliberately sent in Seal Team 10 to their deaths as a diversion so that Raiden could sneak in.
>>343374126
Why are they using technology from the 80s?
>>343374364
I'm Raiden?
>>343374059
Raiden confirmed for being a lamp who fights Vamp.
>>343374126
I think 4 really would've benefited from being somewhat mission based like V. Have the nomad be your ACC, and let the player go back to any of the previous maps just to fuck around with enemies. The game kept pushing you into corridors and locking the door behind you all the time to the point that it got really frustrating
>>343374669
And V's empty open world would've benefitted from 4's warzone conflict thing it had going on
>>343374042
Who even questions how Volgin got HIS powers?
>inb4 "parasites, son"
>>343374669
>>343374814
tfw you'll never have a magic wand to fix these almost-masterpeices that just went horribly wrong
>>343374480
you meanthe patriots sacrificed a squad to further the s3 plan?
>>343374814
absolutely. I get that both games had different focus and as such didn't necessarily have to share certain features, but it feels like a wasted effort when they just discard a mechanic entirely from one game to the other.
>>343374480
I suppose this is worse than the two F16's they sent from Galena base in Shadow Moses, because they didn't expect Liquid to shoot those down with a Hind D
>>343375019
I always thought that was from his circuit-board-esque metal leotard thing.
>>343374814
Fucking this man, I knew something was wrong when they announced MGSV would be open world (not to mention the story was worse than 4's).
Such a shame given how great the gameplay was.
>>343374543
No, people actually like Raiden.
>>343375162
pretty sure that was just a rubber suit he wore to avoid frying himself
>>343374246
Miller gets fucked pretty bad too, over all of MGSV and that's not even getting into his fate in MGS1.
![MGS4SunnyPP[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IcNbtkW.png "MGS4SunnyPP[1].png")
hurr durr
>>343374246
At least Rising was fun and hilariously edgy.
>>343375582
I fapped to adult sunny today. felt good .
>>343372893
Remember that time he tried to shoulderjack a submarine instead of carrying somebody out of its way?
>>343374814
Fuck, why didn't they do that? It would've been fitting thematically too, fighting on both sides of the conflict to keep it going.
>>343375794
>adult
absolute madman!
>>343375794
>adult
I have some news for you anon.
>>343374459
He exchanged them for the ability to eat people's spines.
>>343375582
>you are now aware the egg scene was from godzilla
>>343375582
>mfw Sunny launches the ship without a countdown
>>343375881
Do you remember the time he SUCCEEDED? And managed to hold his own against the weight of Outer Heaven?
Raiden's so fucking cool
>>343375497
Kaz was a great character though
Raiden was just shit on though, his entire arc in 2 (And 2s story in general by extension) was made completely fucking meaningless by terrible writing
>>343375116
How was that even possible?
>>343375497
my headcanon is that the whole point of V was to show how big boss was an asshole in the way he created a cult of personality larger than himself and imposed it on others to further his agenda. When Venom accepts the title in the end, it works as the thematic opposite of Raiden throwing his dog tags away at the end of 2. Miller and Venom are also used to show different sides of the same situation.
But the game's blatantly unfinished and the message gets foggy as fuck and I can't decide if Kojima thought it out that far or really thinks it's flattering to serve as body double to some guy who will canonically spend the next 30 years unsure if he is following or rejecting the concepts of a legacy that he already wasn't too clear on.
>>343373704
>MGS4 probably had the best aesthetics and atmosphere after MGS1
I love Grey tinted worlds. And blue tinted worlds. And Green tinted worlds.
kuwabara kuwabara
>>343376761
yeah because mgs1 was soo colourful right?
>>343376885
>tfw thinking they were different people
Can't believe I missed that
I'm playing mgr and I just am not having as much fun as other platinum games.
>>343375497
>I retire to Alaska in the middle of nowhere
>Finally some peace and quiet
>Thought I got away from all the war business and revenge
>Lying on my comfy couch in the front of the fireplace
>Frontdoor gets kicked open
>"You’re pretty good"
>Ohshit.jpg
>Faggot Westaboo Russian comes in twirling his outdated guns
>twirls them for a full half minute
>"Now I’ll show you why they call me revolver"
>Apparently he’s got a new nickname.
>What is it with his revolver fetish?
>Aims his guns at me
>"12 shots, I got twelve shots"
>Get shot
>Die
>The little shit, Eli we rescued from a 3rd world shithole impersonates me
>All he needed was sunglasses and a stupid accent
>Top of the line soldiers couldn’t tell until it was too late
>Played like a fucking fiddle.
>World nearly gets destroyed
>I just wanted to retire from all of this.
>>343372893
Are you retarded? His arms were cut off and his cyborg body is full of electricity
the current ran through the liquids in the wall right fucking next to them
>>343377320
I wish I could control lightning like Raiden.
>>343377320
t.weeaboo
>>343375116
Well that's a reasonable expectation I guess, what kind of shit F-16 pilots get shot down by a fucking Hind D?
>>343373554
Yes I agree the gameplay was fantastic, which makes it even more infuriating since there's 5 hours of it squashed between 10 hours of cutscenes.
Did we ever find out what that job ad for the "New Metal Gear series" was or was there no new info about that?
>>343376620
Apparently, the Hind D can carry anti-air gatling guns.
The F-16s should have been able to easily take out a Hind-D with it's long-range missiles, but if they were sent as just a distraction hey could have been totally without weapons.
>>343374126
>MGS4 had some good ideas and solid mechanics, but it really didn't give you enough time to use them.
This, holy shit. I've played it through 3 times and I feel like I've hardly scratched the surface of the weapons and abilities you get, because there are barely any opportunities to use them. The first two missions throw cutscenes in your face every time you travel 50 metres so there's little incentive to get creative, and then they basically throw the stealth gameplay out the window in chapters 3-4. 5 has one area, maybe two.
>>343375794
>adult
>>343376730
Big Boss enjoyed the idea of his "legends", his "meme", and takes advantage of Major Zero publicly building him up as the world's greatest hero during his time with the Patriots. He abandoned Miller because he didn't feel as if he was necessary for his dream anymore.
BB wakes up in what can be assumed to be a good while before V, since he's got most of his muscle mass and is aware of the whole plan through Ocelot. He uses venom to do his dirty work for him, knowing his men are in love with him enough to go through with it. I personally don't think the after credits conversation happens until after skull face dies, since that makes these most sense to me, it'd hit Kaz hardest, and Ocelot could've set his little hypnosis to snap off when Jack Skellington was dead, and revenge was had. Kaz already being photosensitive the flash from the ground zeroes explosion probably messed his vision up enough that we can guess he didn't notice any finer details, or he guessed that BB just needed an amputation and also got shrapnel, and medic died from his. Since Ocelot obviously was speaking to real BB ten minutes before saving Venom, he probably hypnotized himself either during Venom's week long getting muscle back montage or after sending him out to save Kaz (what I think).
Sorry for huge post, I like to think about this game's story a lot for myself since the game itself does a shite job telling it.
2>4>1=3>5
>>343378929
3>2>5=1>4
>>343372893
he is LIGHTING
Raiden is the strongest snake and nothing you can say will change that.
Everything after Metal Gear 2 was atrocious.
Solid was the beginning of the end of a great franchise.
PIc related. It's the last good Metal Gear game.
>>343378929
Possibly the worst taste I have ever seen. 4 above 3 of the other games is more than enough to discard your opinion.
>>343376730
>show how big boss was an asshole
Kojima can't build up for shit, he did the same thing with the MGS3 crew and the Patriots
I'm still convinced they were never meant to be the Patriots
Am I the only one who fucking loves 1-4 pretty equally? As much as a movie as it was 4 had some great moments
>I am Lighting
>Lighting
1=2=3=4=5 > Ghost Babel > Metal Gear = Snake's Revenge
>>343378571
my theory is that ocelot never really hypnotized himself, just told everyone he would so they wouldn't try and interfere with anything that happened. The times really don't match up all that well.
What I can't piece together is the coma thing. The cutscene at the beginning shows that BB ended up in a coma. At this point we're watching from Venom's eyes, which implies that he's awake, the doctor even says something more throwaway, like "oh, he took some shrapnel". My initial theory was that while they were mind-probing venom to be like big boss, they put him in an induced coma so he wouldn't fight against it. Big Boss woke up about nine years later and they decided to wake Venom too. But the story doesn't really make it clear, what with the "V has come to" and Mantis awakening bullshit. Even more unclear is how Ocelot and BB knew about the man on fire and all that shit before the hospital attack, at times it feels like they're reading the script.
I really wish the game was finish so I could tell what part of it is shoddy writing and what part is unintended dissonance.
>>343379838
>1=2=3=4=5
why even bother
>>343379480
>I'm still convinced they were never meant to be the Patriots
that was pretty obvious, though. The patriots were supposed to be a faceless, nameless shadowy organization guided by puppets that had been dead for centuries and supplanted by information control and artificial intelligence. All that shit in 4 was a complete cop-out, they even have to forcefully retcon the established story in act 2.
Haha remember when MGS2 came out and everyone hated it and now you fags call it the best game ever made hahaha lmaooooooooooooooo
>>343380245
People hated it because it wasn't what they expected at all. Now it's been long enough that some of the butthurt has died down and people can appreciate it for what it is, rather than what they wanted it to be.
Didn't Kojima totally shoot himself in the foot by killing off Liquid? I mean how much more interesting would the series have been if Liquid had stayed alive throughout the series then having his arc come to close at 4?
>>343380208
1=2=3>4=5
That seems more accurate. 4 & 5 are clear examples of too much focus on story over gameplay and vice versa. Making them mostly on the same ground in my book.
>>343372893
>suddenly
MGS was always shocking.
>>343380208
to trigger those of you who don't know how to enjoy a good game
>>343379391
Stop pretending to be oldfag
Here, get your (You) and fuckoff
The Frogs that kept pouring into the room was more ridiculous.
Most of MGS4 is consistently good but the Raiden segments are iffy. Pushing a submarine from a dock with cyborg body and the dock crumbles to pieces. Meanwhile Cyborg Ninja from MGS1 got turned to pulp with Rex's boot heel. This is Jehuty power levels.
Maybe I expected cyborg Raiden to be a bit more like MGS2's Raiden. Remember the Fission Mailed segment? Something like that but this time we get to control Snake.
Who knows. It could be like a "The Hobbit trilogy" thing where Raiden's parts are being retold through his POV to his kid. That's why its so exaggerated.
>>343380452
This
Faggot who fight between 2 and 3 are the cancer of the fanbase
>>343381398
>tfw you used to be that guy but its gets to a point where you realize they're all masterpieces in their own right, even V in some ways
I'm just glad I got to play them
>>343381107
MGS has always been silly with cyborg and nano machine power levels. Raiden goes from being overpowered by Frogs to tossing Metal Gear RAYS like they're soda cans in a few years.
>>343382040
Good, I'm always glad when I see fellow anons evolve as persons
>>343382040
I legitimately think V is great. I love the story for being an interesting side story about someone else in the Metal Gear universe.
It's far more implicit in its story than the other games, and even though it doesn't always succeed at what it tries to do, I'm glad it tried at all. For all its flaws, I feel like it still succeeded at being a Metal Gear game.
>conspiracy
>giant robot
>handsome men and homoerotic undertones
>obligatory titties mcgee character
>>343376730
Honestly, I thought that was pretty clear.
People kept expecting MGSV to be "Big Boss turning evil", but that was the point of MGS3.
MGSV was Big Boss BEING evil. The manipulative, lying, scheming side of him that we were told about but never shown.I liked MGSV's story.
