>enemies level with you
>when your destruction skill increases, the damage doesn't go up, the mana cost goes down instead
>at level 60-70 you literally spray a simple draugr with fire for 10 minutes and he never dies
>even if you always increase mana whenever you level up and always wear fortify mana gear, mana is never enough
>even master level destruction spells are barely enough at the normal difficulty
Why do RPG developers try as hard as they can to make sure magic sucks? Why would I want to roleplay as a knight wearing heavy armor and swords? I want to do magic, but in every game I play magicians are the worst class.
>>343372163
Because magic is for faggots.
>Why would I want to roleplay as a knight wearing heavy armor and swords?
Why WOULDN'T you? Are you a pussy or something?
>>343372163
>not using conjuration
>not summoning 2 dremora lords and watching them clear the entire dungeon for you
Most fun I had desu.
I wanna try an Illusion/Alteration build next.
Also, lightning is better than fire.
>>343372553
I liked conjuration too but it doesn't answer OP's question. Destruction magic has always been a nigger tier means of combat and there's no reason why it has to be.
>>343372163
dual cast Firebolt. all of the other fire spells are just a meme. the only good high level spell is Chain Lightning. but Firebolt, Ice Spike, and Lightning Bolt are good spells. you can kill Draugr Deathlords in 30 seconds using Firebolt.
>>343372163
doesn't the lightning storm just decimate everything though?
>>343372553
this
![1366736379-ddda-new-equipment-grand-bolide-540x303[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YTWNQmm.jpg "1366736379-ddda-new-equipment-grand-bolide-540x303[1].jpg")
>he hasn't played Dragon's Dogma as a Sorcerer
Get on that shit, OP. Arguably one of the most overpowered classes.
>meteor shower spell that makes meteors actually look like they come from space, spread and destruction looks like it could destroy an entire city
>summon tornado that can even suck in the largest monsters
>summon ice barrage that makes castle size ice creations to explode everywhere
Such a fun game
>>343374437
If the warrior heavy weapons weren't so damn good I might have done spells, OH well.
Play Morrowind, faggot
>Flying around at the speed of sound
>casting a fireball with a 10 mile radius, killing everything
>going sanic speed across Vvardenfell
>basically changing your stats at will
>Paralyzing cunts so you can cast your giga fuck-you spell that you made at the guild last week
>>343372163
All easily fixed with mods.
>>343374581
Warrior is only good at the beginning of the game. End game and Dark Arisen, they're trash
Plus, only three skills.
Feels terrible.
Then again, one shotting bosses with one spell never gets old.
>>343374162
Or you could kill them in 2 hits with a hammer
>>343372163
Skyrim had the problem of fixed damage in its spells and no spell crafting system like we had in oblivion. A simple fix would be to implement the same system, but to add in a hard cap for mana cost reduction.
>>343372553
beasts and bandits are most susceptible to Ice, Draugr are weak to fire, and Mages are weak to Lightning. so the OP was using the correct spell.
>>343374792
well you can kill them in two hits with a dual cast Fireball, but you won't have any magicka left afterwards. the apprentice level spells will be your workhorse if you choose to play as a mage.
>>343372163
>finally a thread that allows me to complain about the thing Elder Scrolls does that annoys me the most
ICE SPELLS DOING ONLY ICE DAMAGE IS IDIOTIC BETHESDA YOU COMPLETE MORONS
IT'S ONE THING TO BE FIREPROOF, IT'S ONE THING TO BE RESISTANT TO ELECTRICITY, BUT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS BEING IMMUNE TO HAVING A MASSIVE STAKE OF SOLID MATTER STABBED INTO YOUR FLESH
ICE SPELLS SHOULD DO MIXED ICE/PHYSICAL DAMAGE HOLY FUCK
TODD FIX YOUR GODDAMNED GAME
>>343372163
Magic is unuseable without mods in Skyrim.
Skyrim is, in fact, garbage without mods, whereas all other ES games are at least decent in vanilla.
>>343374996
That sucks, the whole point of playing a mage is to be weak early game but become a force of nature later on.
>>343374581
Having only three skills hurts Warriors in the long run, also besides Mages (the worst class in the game unless you're a healslut pawn) Warriors are arguably the worst class in BBI.
Both Sorcerors and Warriors are fun as fuck in Dragons Dogma though, it's a shame there's only one save file.
>>343375104
>decent in vanilla
what is oblivion?
even mods don't save it
>>343375260
Oblivion was fine in vanilla, it had good quest lines at least.
And the environments are top comf
It has shit combat like literally every other Bethesda game, though.
Goddamnit you people really are going to make me reinstall Skyrim aren't you.
I've been resisting the urge for months since I know all the trouble I'll have to go through to mod and set everything up but the topic keeps coming up, even now with the goddamned remaster that's coming up.
You think that's bad? Try playing as a thief and actually putting points into the godawful Speech, Pickpocket and Lockpicking trees only to be rewarded with endless Draugr Deathlords you can't possibly deal with, all for some shitty leveled loot in a game where money is fucking useless.
>>343375364
Just play Dragons Dogma instead
>>343372163
Memerim thread? Post good screenshots.
if you don't kneecap magic then it always ends up being dramatically better than other options
look at roguelikes for some good examples
>>343372163
>enemies level with you
Did you know that only one monster in the game doesn't have a level cap? Every monster in the game will stop leveling at a relatively low level. All but the shit that comes out of the aftershock quest missions, they'll always be set to 1.25x your level.
>>343375101
At least Requiem fixes it : )
>>343375364
Just remember all the problems and ridiculous things that exist in Skyrim and you'll forget about it again
>>343375428
You could at least level up one handed and roll with a dagger you know
>>343375450
>>343375260
actually they do
>>343374359
>doesn't the lightning storm just decimate everything though?
It's better than the other master spells, but that's not saying much. The biggest problem with it is the charge-up time and the fact that you can't move while casting it, so you need a lot of time and distance for it to be useful, and you usually don't have enough of either for it to be worthwhile. It's most useful against dragons, but only when they're far away, because you'll need your mobility once they get close enough to attack you.
>>343375428
thieves usually don't go around fighting anon
>>343375528
why aren't there any mods to fix the fucking terrible dungeon design
>>343375553
>>343375428
you're supposed to use archery as your main combat skill as a thief. since draugr dungeons are so linear, when you find an enemy that's hard to deal with you can just shoot him and sneak back into the room you came from. rinse and repeat. boring and tedious, but that's what being a thief is all about.
>>343375530
Sure but then you might as well just use that because using any non-combat skills in this game only punishes you.
>>343375364
You will just install, spend 2 hours modding, play 10 minutes and then uninstall.
>>343372163
Balance in Elder Scrolls games has always been shit.
It's Stealth Archer > Stealth warrior/Rogue > power gap > Warrior > power gap > Mage
The only recent Elder Scrolls games where magic has been useful are the ones where it was bugged and you could exploit it (of when you used mods to fix it, but even then it's never reached the usefulness of just hitting shit).
The magic system used in the Elder Scrolls games is just fundamentally broken.
>>343375649
>>343375680
Yes I know thieves shouldn't be fighting head on, but the point is the scaling is just fucked because of this. You shouldn't be punished for getting good at speech or lockpicking.
>>343374898
>beasts and bandits are most susceptible to Ice
A lot of bandits are Nords with 50% ice resistance, and a lot of monsters resist it as well. Lightning is the best all-purpose element because almost nothing resists it and it hits instantly.
>>343375724
>2 hours modding
I goddamn wish Anon.
I once spent an entire week modding the game only to play 15 minutes of it and uninstall
>>343375827
play requiem
>>343374996
There is no mid-to-high level enemy who will die to two dual-cast Fireballs.
>>343375450
>>343375830
when i fight normal enemies in the wild the only spell that seems to stagger them is Ice Spike. maybe my game is bugged because all dual cast spells are supposed to cause a stagger, but against bandits and animals Ice is the only one that does it.
>>343375518
So do Path of Sorcery and PerMa, in case you don't care for the compatibility nightmare that is Requiem.
>>343375819
Good thing there are magic mods that don't care at all for balance and just focus on adding cool things
>civil war questline
>single-handedly assaulting a Stormcloak fort as a summoner who unleashes hordes of spiders and Flame Atronachs in the courtyard while you just stroll through the area watching your critters devour all opposition only to raise each dead soldier as a zombie as well
>>343375946
they might as well be dead if you have intense flames. they will "surrender" at their health will be so low you could kill them with a gentle breeze.
>>343372163
>not enhancing literally every aspect of the game with mods
>>343372163
Git gud at enchanting and make a bunch of clothes that reduce your destruction spell cost to zero percent.
>>343376030
Yeah, that sounds like a bug, or maybe it's more noticeable with ice because it's also supposed to slow enemies down. I never used the vanilla Impact perk, because I could tell how game breaking it was just from reading its description. Every magic mod I've ever used turns it into only a chance to stagger, not something that happens every time.
>>343374638
>All easily fixed with mods
>butt hurt modders removed their mods from nexus
what do?
>>343376502
Great, so now it doesn't cost you anything to stand there for five minutes shooting weak spells at things. That doesn't change the fact that your spells are so weak that you need to cast them for five minutes to kill anything.
>>343375428
>money
>not using alchemy to make all your money
>>343372163
I managed to use magic to great effect. Fireball was a fucking awesome spell. You just suck at using magic. Maybe if you didn't spam the weakest spell in the game you'd kill something
Ahzidal's mask increases fire damage by %25
Such a shame that other Ahzidal items suck
>they added new spells Ignite and Freeze with the Dragonborn DLC
>they decided it would be a good idea to make sure the spells do less damage than the vanilla spells
tesg gave me only one good thing and it was perk ordinator
>>343376658
Shoot infinity fireballs, faggot, and also shoot infinity lightning patches or whatever that spell is called
>>343377146
Dragonborn DLC was literally fanservice for magicians. Every Black Book has a great buff for magic type of characters.
>>343376865
Fucking this. OP is just retarded.
>hurr I'm using a novice spell at higher levels y am i not killing anything???? ;_;
>>343376865
This, senpai
>>343372553
Conjuration is the only possible way to play this game on legendary difficulty.
>complaining about issues in a bugthesda game
Just don't play them. God forbid you actually spend money on them.
It's been known for YEARS that these games require GIGABYTES worth of mods to turn them into something acceptable.
I know that anything to do with stealth is broken as fuck in these games but Silent Cast + Impact + Icy Spear/Incinerate/I assume Thunderbolt + Stealth + all schools of magic free through exploiting enchanting and Necromage while being a vampire was fun.
>>343374731
>they're trash
You haven't played warrior in BBI, literally kills daimon's 2 forms in less than a minute without the need for periapts or explosive arrows.
>>343375243
They're really not that bad. They're not bad at all.
The only real downside to warrior is that it can get boring doing the downwards jump attack but overall it holds up really well at lv180-200 with BBI gear. The hp growth also turns you into a fucking tank which makes it better than all the other paper classes.
>>343377402
Oh wow, you're sure fitting in now kiddo.
>>343372303
You can do that in real life. You can't wield magic in real life.
Is Skyrim supposed to be persistently gray, dreary and gloomy, or am I just getting a raw deal on weather effects?
>>343374586
I like Morrowind but...
>Having to sleep and use potions to regain mana.
>>343377245
>>343376865
>>343377260
>Playing on novice
I mean we know you guys are casual faggots but come on, that's just being delusional, magic is the worst aspect of this fucking game.
>>343377510
haha yeah dude me too can't wait for skyrim 2!!!
>>343377557
sometimes it rains for days. i don't know what causes it, i never use that storm shout.
>>343377171
The point is that you shouldn't need infinity fireballs.
>>343372163
Mods fix it :^)
>>343377484
>Or explosive Arrows
Warrior can't use Explosive arrows.
Sorcerer, Magick Archer, Assassin and Ranger can kill Daimon's 2 forms on Hardmode in less than 10 seconds.
Yes, I've played BBI. Warrior is trash compared to other classes. I didn't say he couldn't do it. But when you have to spend considerably more time to kill bosses than one or two shotting them. Your class is shit.
>playing on PS3
>no mods
>10 minute loading screens
>game often crashes during the loading screen, forcing me to turn off my PS3
>shit textures, 15-20 fps
Is there anything consoles do better than PC?other than bloodborne
>>343377626
>Muh leddit boogeyman
Ebin
>>343377557
Sounds like you're just having bad luck with the RNG. Try the Clear Skies shout.
>>343373942
Destruction was pretty good for the previous games. Skyrim is the only one that did differently.
>>343377245
maybe it would be better to upgrade the spell intstead of just leaving it to clutter up the already horrendous inventory screen
>>343377709
multiplats run like shit on PS3 you should know this by now.
Games that had great magic.
I'll start with an easy one.
fuck i hate the scaling
it just is so unsatisfactory.
>hit something in the face with an explosion that sends everything in 20 feet flying across the room
>8dmg
>hit something in the face with an arrow
>clearly sticking out the back of the skull
>12dmg
>hit something in the face with a greatsword
>24dmg
>they hit me once with the same weapon
>85dmg
fuck you game
>i yield i yield
>never should have come here
fuck you, fuck you so much
>>343378008
shit, forgot pic
>>343374871
This is coming from the company who can't into ladders, so don't expect much.
>>343377606
Then mod it faggot.
The reason they made Magicka not regenerate is BECAUSE you can do all of that. You can also drain magicka from people, use the atronach sign which gives you spell absorption, or even use the Mark in the dungeon, Almsivi/Divine Intervention out, sleep, and then Recall back to the dungeon.
If you go the route of modding, I would recommend putting the regen at a very low value. Different mods have different speeds and sometimes it gets ridiculous.
>>343374871
A spell crafting system would have just been one more mechanic to make the game far too complicated for the wider audience Bethesda was trying to reach.
>>343376543
Save backups, retard.
There's also that mod piracy thing
>>343377608
>Playing on a hard difficulty
>whining when the game is hard
Anon, you're retarded.
>OP posts shitty bait
>86 replies
truly neo-/v/
skyrimfags are the worst
>>343372163
This literally sums up my first character in Skyrim. Meanwhile, my brother playing a rogue at the same time is going around with insane multiplicative damage in the thousands with stealth backstabs. Fucking garbage. It's like no one playtested the game at all.
>>343378623
Yeah, I always download manually and keep all the archives around, just in case I ever want them later and can't get them on the Internet.
>>343377705
>Warrior can't use Explosive arrows.
Yeah no shit.
>in less than 10 seconds
By cheesing it with periapts and explosive arrows. You haven't played warrior in BBI,
If you're really complaining about a class not being able to cheese bosses then I think you might be trash at this game. Stop being such a tryhard.
>>343372163
Just get that one Dragon Priest hood that raises mana regen 100% and equip Archmage robes.
It makes the two hoods glitch into each other, but it gives you the highest magic boosts in Vanilla Skyrim as far as I know.
Then you should be fine for mana.No one actually cares though.
>>343378508
Here's a great way to make mana recharge in Morrowind:
>drain intelligence on self (for a very large amount) for 1 sec
Maybe I'm bad, but I recall getting my as beat when I tried playing vanilla skyrim as a heavy armour sword and boarder.
Is there something I missed or what
>>343378821
>Yeah no shit.
You were the one who brought it up to begin with.
>Cheesing it
No. It's just that most other classes are strong, while warrior is weak as fuck. You don't need to use periapts, you don't need to use any bullshit bugs or tricks. You can just kill him that fast on almost every class, BUT the warrior.
I love The Warrior class more than any other class. But the fact of the matter is, he's arguably worse than a Fighter and less useful than a mage.
>>343378702
one would think that since i can cast a spell that allows me to do 115 dmg and causes a massive explosion, as a wizzard, i would have found a way to make those baby flames by now to grow into an ultra face melting version due to having mastery of the destruction school.
but no.
i get to enjoy being lvl100 destruction and do 5dmg against a draugr, that now has 500% the base heath pool.
thanks, its fun, no i enjoy getting hit in the face and quaffing potions to make up for the fact that i (a glass "cannon") that hits as hard as a wet noodle.
>>343378649
where did I whine about it being difficult?
it's piss easy on legendary witha stealth archer
I swear people of /v/ sometimes can exceed any expectations in their stupidity, game clearly has serious issues with wthe way it works / is created and yet there are delusional people who keep forcing their fantasies in a place of the reality. Just get out mr mage. go 50hit a draugr with some high lvl spells of yours.
>>343379034
just make sure you're using a full set of heavy armor so you only level heavy armor when you take damage. if you use two different types of armor, your armor levels very slowly. eventually you will find a suit of ebony armor as random loot and you will be fine until you can craft dragon scale armor.
I hate magic races are treated badly too.
>high elves are assholes
>dark elves are syrians
>wood elves are fuckboys
>bretons are manlets
High elves are taller than Orcs for some reason. And female Bretons are taller than male Bretons. Such a weird game lol.
>>343374437
I love Sorc pawns. Basically free buffs but when you Torpor and knock down the boss at hand you just see the screen shake and hear loud ass booms while bars of health start disappearing off the boss.
>>343372163
That's why conjuration is the best thing to do. Two dremora lords fucking all my enemies up
>>343379091
>weak as fuck
You're literally just complaining that other classes can cheese a boss faster than warrior can beat it properly. How does this make it weak as fuck?
It's still the single tankiest class and in BBI that does help a tonne unless you just want to stand back and pelt arrows at enemies for an hour before you equip explosive arrows and cheese daimon before he can even do anything for end game loot. Where's the fun in that? This just makes you a tryhard.
There's a reasonable argument to be made that warrior is less fleshed out late game than the hybrid classes which I'd agree with but just shitting on for these trivial asinine reasons is just being a faggot.
>>343378008
Fable.
>>343379616
>cheese
>cheese
>cheese
You keep saying that. But you don't need to do anything like that. Warrior is just weak. A Fighter can do more DPS than a Warrior on a Boss.
Mystic Knights ARE tankier because you can not only block ALL attacks, you can block spells, AND block AOE spells if you use the Shield Enchanting Magic.
There is no cheesing. For a Sorcerer, you simply enchant your staff with Holy then spam Charged Bolt. For a Assassin you can just spam Helm Splitter. No periapts, not explosive arrows.
The fact of the matter is, Warriors are piss weak in terms of every single other class.
>>343375428
Download Reordinator perk overhaul. Speech becomes a combat bard tree, sneak gets tripwire, dodge rolls and other assorted tools and lockpick can place upgradable bear traps.
>>343380352
Does Redordinator make weapons aside from swords useful?
>>343377709
you can at least fix the loading screens if you deactivate all the quicksaves
>>343372163
>Magic spells have limited use.
>Mana needs potions.
>Swords don't break.
>Stamina regenerates.
Fuck this gay earth
>>343380435
Blade of Woe has the most DPS in Skyrim. You don't need mods for that.
>>343380614
I actually wanted to axe it up.
Not even DD has fucking axes.
>>343374437
>sorcs
>OP
>not ten-fold blast arrow spamming rangers
also sorcs best skill is a fucking core skill buffed with holy element.
>>343380435
Each weapon class has a completely revamped long tree in either one or two handed. If anything the sword tree is less impressive than maces and daggers now.
>>343378053
i wish there was an option to spare an enemy and then they become a follower
first time i spared a bandit he just got up and started attacking me
>reinstall Skyrim
>spend three days modding it with perfect everything
>all set up to play
>play for 20 minutes
>wait a minute
>this is Skyrim
>Skyrim fucking sucks
>uninstall
Has anyone ever increased stamina when leveling up? Completely useless.
>>343380741
But what about axes.
>>343372163
Dunno what you're on about pham. I 100%'d Skyrim on 360 magic only no trouble tbqh
>>343380206
Butting my head into this discussion real quick
>Assassin
>Helm Splitter
that's a funny way to spell Dire Gouge.
>>343380814
it's good for a thief build because it increases carry weight and you can run like shit when you piss off a cave bear that you thought was an Elk.
I'm doing my first actual completion run instead of dicking about.
So far been spell swording and putting a lot more points into conjuration than destruction now.
Are conjured swords affected by one handed?
They should base the damage in the same way ESO handles it. The more points you have invested in mana the higher the damage.
With melee it could be a function of the amount of stamina and weapon skill.
>>343380814
If I recall it ups your carrying capacity by ten.
>>343373942
>Destruction magic has always been a nigger tier means of combat
Try playing an actually good Elder Scrolls game.
>>343372163
>be an argonian thief
>get the gloves that multiply my sneak dmg
>focus on daggers
>get the x15 multiplier sneak attack perk
>with the gloves it goes up to x30
>go behind any nigger in the game and one hit him
>>343381053
Argonians are shit though, you're barely ever underwater and no enemies don't even use poison, If you're doing a rogue playthrough then it's kahjiit or nothing
>>343380741
Everything has it's own shtick really. The basic tier 1 perks for each weapon class:
>Sword: Reduce target's attack damage by 15% for 3 seconds on hit
>Daggers: Stackable bleed damage on living targets per hit for 30 seconds
>Mace: Stackable armor crush for 15 seconds per hit
>Axe: Bleed on hit that deals 10% of the total damage the target has taken for the duration of the bleed
>>343372163
>RPG
>>343372163
I'm pretty sure you never played the game. Mage is basically easy mode next to sword and shield.
Two Handed light armor was where its at.
>>343380206
>you don't need to cheese
>just spam spam spam
Yeah okay. None of those can still kill daimon in 10 seconds without periapts on hard mode but nice try at moving the goal posts.
>Fighter can do more DPS
Simply untrue. Warrior with the right stat growth does more DPH and DPS than MK or fighter.
>Mystic knights are tankier because they have a shield
Oh fuck off, that doesn't make it a tank if it has shit HP. Warrior can have the highest HP/Def and still maintain mobility because they don't need to hold a board up and MK's biggest damage dealer takes 20 seconds to charge up so enjoy your shittier fighter I guess.
>Warriors are piss weak
You have still literally not given valid evidence for this besides whining about warrior not having a spam ability which is the whole point of the class to rely on raw damage and defense. You probably haven't levelled anything but Sorcerer past lv100.
>>343372163
At least you have ice, fire and lightning in Skyrim. In Dark Souls magic is literally just "throw blue balls at people". Not to mention the lock-on range is shit.
>>343382836
That's because magic isn't supposed to be a build, it's damage support, Enchanting is the most useful part after all
>illusion becomes obsolete at higher levels
What the fuck were they thinking? Why does Bethesda have to take fun things away?
>>343383512
Meleefag here.
Now you know how I felt in Morrowind and Oblivion.
>Can barely kill one bandit since I rolled a destruction/conjuration mage
>Did the entire mage's guild questline at level 4-6 and barely got anything of use
>Install Magic rebalancing mod and now my magic is too OP
What the fuck. Skyrim never ceases to amaze me at it's shittiness that can't be fixed
>>343381313
>wanting to play as an elf
Why do kahjiit lick their buttsto get the taste of kahjiit cooking out of their mouths
>>343381993
Are you that dumb? Warrior can only equip 3 skills, and all their skills are mediocre to bad... That says everything you need to know. Fuck off with your white knighting, I love warrior too, but they are piss in DD.
I don't dislike the idea of level scaling so long as it's heavily reigned in.
For instance, having 90% of the world blocked off to me because I'll just get one shotted is a bit bleh, and also a bit confusing since if monsters were this strong outside of this one town/forest/city how the fuck do they not raze the rest of the cities to the ground? The guards as just as weak in level 70 Vampire Count summoning level 15 Skellingtons land as they are in level 3 Skeleton land, and they can barely beat a level 3 Skelington.
I still want of course for certain areas to be blocked off because it's too dangerous. Hence my heavily reigned in scaling preference.
Honestly I'd just like set levels, but with a random range of what said areas are set to. Say you start the game up, the game rolls for 3 nearby dungeons which start at level 5 but have a range of 3. So they could be scaled to level 2 at the lowest or level 8 at the highest. It adds to the sense of adventure as you don't know exactly how tough or easy this dungeon will be as a level 4 insertclasshere, and it also means the game doesn't play out exactly the same in repeated playthroughs.
Leveled quest rewards however are nonredeemable garbage 100% of the time.
Mostly the same with leveled drops. Daedric clad bandits were fuckin retarded. Drops should be scaled sure, but it should be within a restricted table. Bandits drop more gold the higher your level but on a 4-12 range at level 1 then 8-55 by level 20. And stop making wolves drop rings and gold that's dumb.
>>343386970
>khajiit
>elves
God damn it Whitestrake you are the biggest fucking retard in all of nirn
>>343378649
>Implying Skyrim's combat system could ever possibly be considered difficult
It doesn't matter how much more damage you take or how little damage you deal.
There is no real difficulty because you're still always using Skyrim's shitty combat system.
>>343374638
>hurr durr this game is a piece of garbage but who cares cos mods amirite?
People like you are the reason Bethesda keep getting away with making shitty broken games
