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Nerf when?
doesnt need one.
>>343371243
When you stop being a shitter and pick McCree and Pharah
He's pretty well balanced. Only thing really needed right now is a small boost to Dva
When zenyatta gets a buffnever ever
>>343371243
>Nerfing the only person that can reliably down a Tank since McCree was nerfed
You must be out of your fucking mind if you think THAT'S a good idea.
>>343371602
Actually they said they're looking at Zenytta right now, so he might get one
>complaining about Reaper
here op here's my fav song it might help you!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-umffoOHvb8
>Game is already ruined thanks to competitive mode
Cool. ActiBlizzard does it again, just like with arenas in WoW.
>>343371559
>Only thing really needed right now is a small boost to Dva
And Zarya and Mei's LMBs need to be shorter range.
nice meme
>>343371716
Oh wel shit. I figured with the damage he can put out he wouldn't get anything done to him. Would be nice, just hope it won't tip I'm to far.
>>343371714
Junkrat, Pharah with a good aim.
I feel like Reaper is perfectly balanced, he needs to be on top of you to be deadly. It's always funny when I kill Reapers trying to ambush me with Mercy's pistol
>>343371243
Can you not hear him clunking all over the place?
He's the loudest flanker in the world
>>343371714
but a mediocre dva can take down any non Rein tank 1v1
soldier with aim can as well.
I don't care about Mei or Bastion
Just nerf Junkrat
>>343372093
What's wrong with Junkrat?
>>343371825
Zens only problem is he melts with a little bit of focus and has no escape compared to the other supports besides his ultimate. If they just upped his ms a bit I think he'd be fine, considering how fast and accurate dmg he can do. A Zen who can avoid getting focused melts tanks
He's the only one keeping Zarya from fucking destroying the comp scene.
And he can only do so much against her.
>>343371714
76 can take down some of them pretty well
if i were to change reaper i'd slightly tighten his spread so he requires slightly more aim but can more reliably damage smaller targets at ranges beyond point blank, while actually shortening the total range of his blasts so he doesnt get too good at mid ranged combat, while basically unaffecting his performance against tanks
but its not really necessary and he's a pretty balanced character.
I would say he annihilates roadhog way too well but that's more due to roadhogs design than reapers.
>>343371559
LITERALLY
JUST
MAKE
HER
SHOOT
WHILE
MATRIXING
AND
FLYING
>>343372549
or up her walk speed while shooting so it isnt too piss easy to out range her in a close quarters situation
>>343372549
I dont see how that'll help.
Her guns have such terrible fall off you're adding chip damage to her at best.
she wont out preform winston or zarya like that.
>>343371830
Reaper is balanced, an enemy team can pick something to counter pharah or reaper but not both.
>>343372093
>Needing Situational: the character
I miss when the only person scrubs bitched about was Bastion
>>343371795
>Mei nerf
Found the shitter
Zarya is pretty balanced, and I feel her shield cooldown for ally shield could come down a sec or 2 personally
>>343372934
>Best ult in the game
>Best shield in the game
>Highest damaging tank
>Only tank with a good ranged wepaon
>Balanced
>Deserves to be buffed actually
no
>>343371716
I've always had a few changes on mind.
>Harmony/Discord Orbs act more like objects; they will fly from one target to the other, rather than Zenyatta need to throw a new one. Lets him work better away from the front line.
>Change his 50 Health to Armor. Added survivability.
>Zenyatta has two orbs being Shift and E. They act as Discord Orbs on enemies or Harmony Orbs on allies.
>Slight movespeed increase.
>>343371243
Only thing they need to change about Reaper is his ult shouldn't hit Pharahs that are flying above him.
>>343371243
>Make him slower
OR
>Reduce his range even more
OR
>Make is so he can't heal while in wraith form
OR
>Guns don't reload until he whips out his new ones.
>>343371243
Why does he wear bandoliers with shotgun shells on them when he just reloads his guns by pulling new ones out of thin air?
>>343373952
Those are novelty herb and spice containers. He cooks when not in matches.
>>343374396
I like that image
>>343372282
No he cant. Roadhog shits on 76, double winstons always beat double or even triple 76's. You need more burst to take down multiple tank strategy. Zenyattas discord orbs help against every other tank than Zarya, and Reaper is the go-to punish for tanks who attempt to bio-ball through everything.
>>343371243
Reaper is literally a pushover as long as you see him coming.
Git gud
>>343373512
The "instant reload" doesn't actually get you firing faster, because of animation-lock. It only gets you a free melee.
>>343374729
How's that? Does his shotgun just kill the shield fast enough to kill her before she kills you?
I'm not sure how to deal with Zarya, but I don;t play Reaper often.
>>343374512
>"Oregano walks among you."
>>343371790
This is what someone who just found out they're objectively bad looks like.
>>343374990
You have to kiss him to actually hit him with your zap gun, and he can just kiss you right back with his shotguns.
>>343374990
Don't shoot her shield, dipstick. She'll be tickling you while you shred her 0 mobility ass.
>>343375259
Whenever I fight a Zarya she brings up her shield once I get her to half health, then I can't do anything while she zaps me.
I guess I could wait for her to use it on something else and fuck her up while it's on cooldown?
Or make sure my LShift isn't on cooldown as Reaper and hopefully just wait out her shield?
>>343375429
yes
t. plays zarya 20% of the time
>>343375429
You could always consider busting right through it
It only has 200 health and a huge hitbox, meaning you can tear through it with 2 shotgun blasts
>>343373107
>highest damaging tank
but anon, thats not Roadhog.
>>343372934
>found the shitter
found the mei main
>>343374990
Hint: Dont shoot zarya when the shields are on. Her damage is pitiful up close as long as you DONT SHOOT HER SHIELDS and the beam actually has to be aimed so slim fast characters are a problem to her. Reaper hurts all tanks like a truck up close
>>343375650
You're not supposed to shoot her shield that's how she powers up.
>>343371243
>playing reaper
>walking behind rest of the team
>suddenly team mates run to the side
>"you have been pinned"
>this happens at least 6 times
He doesn't need one
It's Reinhardt that needs one
>>343376113
You have tunnel vision or something?
>>343374729
76 soft counters roadhog, his pulse rifle doesnt get mitigated by flat hp so hes nailing roadhog with true damage and can charge ult/pelt roadhog all day long with that accurate hit scan. 76 is only beaten by barriers/shields
POST PLACEMENTS
>>343376090
It doesn't matter how powered up she is if you just kill her afterwards
After the shield she's a big 500 health target with no armor
>>343375650
>This nigga shoots Zarya's shield
I bet you think you have to go around your Rein's shield to shoot, too
>>343375869
>massive spread L1
>essentially useless outside point blank
>right click occasionally but unreliably one shots squishies, but beyond that is only good for whittling reinhardt shields
>extremely low ROF and magazine size means his actual DPS is shit
>>343375869
>roadhog
>tank
nice meme hehe!
>>343376381
>won 4/10 matches
>got four golds in six of those matches
>rank: 44
How the fuck does this system work?
>>343371243
>Not countering this spic with Pharah
>>343374973
He can still be mid reload, wraith, heal, and come back with a full tank of gas.
He never runs out of steam.
>>343376381
>>343374729
sure in 1v1s roadhog can trounce 76 most of the time
but its a team game
roadhog is so fat, from outside hook range, 76 can just hold down L1 and still hit 90% of shots. A single magazine will eat about half of roadhogs health thanks to no armor, and a helix rocket will put him dangerously low
yeah this isnt actually killing roadhog but a decent 76 can make him spend half the game running off to a corner to huff more gas and accomplish nothing.
>>343376471
If you've got enough damage to bust through it AND kill her right afterwards it's a legitimate strategy
A 76 isn't going to do enough to bust through the shield but Reaper can definitely brute force through it assuming he's already on top of her
>>343375259
>zarya
>tickles
zaryas damage is huge
the only reason reaper can win is because his is even huger
>>343376667
>>>343376381
>>won 4/10 matches
>>got four golds in six of those matches
Another question in this vein: I got a commendation yesterday for getting 115% of the team's eliminations as Lucio. How does that work?
>>343376909
Any Zarya that knows what she's doing is gonna murder that Reaper, and you're assuming a 1v1 situation where he's not getting rekt and blown all over the place by the rest of her team, a rarity. Meanwhile, she's either melting him, or melting his team, and his selfish focus on kills results in dead teammates and lost rounds.
>>343376805
thats not a placement my dude
>>343376963
maybe mercy?
>>343377095
>>maybe mercy?
I don't remember if there was one. My theory was it was mathing weird if some of their players dropped and got filled in. Like maybe it was averaging out of 8 players instead of 6 if 2 quit and got replaced.
>>343376963
Is there any reward for getting 5+ commendations?
I finally won one the other day expecting a loot drop or something, and nothing happened.
Give Zen's harmony Orb a 5 or 6 sec cooldown, and make it so when you click while on cooldown it will teleport you to the ally with the orb. There, fixed forever. I don't know who's the fucking retard that gave the okay for the frailest fucking character in the game to have 0 fucking escape options.
Just fucking make him Dhalsim and give him teleports already.
>>343376441
She's 400 health without shield.
>>343377015
>selfish focus on kills.
yea, kills are selfish when they prevent the enemy team from killing you and acquiring the objective.
now, STUPID TRADES are different. any good team needs reliable killers that slaughter their foes.
people also vastly underestimate the importance of a good distraction. if you distracted multiple enemies for 15 seconds then you myswell have killed them since that's how long it takes for a respawn. plus, GOOD non retarded teammates will take advantage of the situation and kill the rest of their team since it turns it into a 3v6.
>>343376943
Not at 0 energy.
>I'M GOING FOR THE TOBLERONE!
Whad did she mean by this?
S76's ult is retarded, needs to be nerfed
>>343377792
She's after that dwarf dick so they can hate on omnics together.
>>343377634
>now, STUPID TRADES are different.
Oh my god, I wish I could communicate this with the teams I get on. No one wants to just sit on the payload to prevent the enemy from moving it. They all get lured away to 1v1 someone on the other team and it just advances onward even if they don't get murdered because they ran off in their bloodrage against their counter. Thank goodness for no one being able to hit Lucio reliably enough to overcome his healing.
>>343377634
In the team the Reaper is trying to burn through the Zarya's Shield and boosting her, hurting his own team, he could have gone to kill any other enemy far more easily then come back to finish her off after the shield disappears. Strategery, my nigga.
>>343377792
>HEMP ESTABLISHED
>>343377861
You can just hide from it, you know. It's a less effective version of McRee's.
any reason why comp mode doesn't work like actual competitive? overtime is pretty dumb desu
why is it that when a team barely caps and my team rolls it isn't just a win? same with capture points on volskaya, if we cap with 2 minutes left and they don't cap before then why isn't it just a win?
>>343373512
He really shouldn't be able to heal in wraith form. It's practically a guaranteed health restore ability.
>>343378167
>Head and shoulders!
>>343377861
S76 is the most balanced hero in the game tho
>>343376682
>shooting a reaper from above
>his shotgun shells do single digit damage while my rockets have no fall-off
Almost feel bad for them
>>343376381
>Gone down 5 ranks since FUCKING 10 OCLOCK
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING DAMNIT
>>343378167
>>343378289
>Lisbon treaty!
>>343378549
>level 73
>9 hours played
how
>>343378389
He's also the most retardedly cliche ekshun hirro char.
Thinking about it, Overwatch is the domain of cliche.
>>343378640
Pretty sure quickplay and competitive hours are tracked differently
>>343378640
it's competitive played time
>>343378640
That screen just shows his competitive matches.
>>343378437
>tfw someone messaged me telling me I'm the best pharrah they've gone up against
Felt pretty good.
>>343379305
i send messages to people all the time like this even when its not true just to maybe brighten their day
>>343378689
That's the point, like the soldier in battleborn, they're meant to be cliché for more traditional fps players
>>343378284
>Mei
>>343379305
>>343379904
Kek, I dot his when a player is notoriously bad or he keeps making a big mistake often, helps the ignorant stay ignorant
>>343381086
no you just come across as one of those edgy faggots that says ggez and shit to try to get a reaction. I bet you're 14
>>343381273
>making baseless assumptions
I bet you're 14 and btw, I've never said ggez in my life
>>343381273
How does complimenting someone make you seem edgy? are you retarded?
>>343381389
why would you lie on the internet? You literally just said it
>>343381521
No, I typed it, guess you are 14 after all
>>343381619
>>343378612
Why is this image inverted?
>>343381485
ggez means "good game, it was easy to beat you" it's not a compliment, it's shit talk.
>>343382331
Did you even read the reply chain?
>>343379904
>>343381086
Here's the message. Had four gold in that game so I hope it was genuine.
>>343382640
Forgot pic. Fug.
His damage needs to be needed or his rate of fire needs to be nerfed. If they're going to let him get out of literally any situation for free by turning into an edgy apparition his dps needs to be toned down. Its bad enough he can teleport wherever and his ult can magically hit through walls.
>>343383045
His damage is fine. Reaper needs to be right next to you to do any reliable damage, so just watch for flanks
>>343371556
Are you playing on console? You do know McCree got nerfed hard, right?
>>343382720
youre a fucking beaner faggot for playing wewuz
>>343385406
Nerfed my ass. McCree can still take down a Reaper with a Flashbang + Fan the Hammer Combo or two headshots.
Better yet, he can shut down Reaper's ultimate easily.
>>343371825
Zen has a 0% pick rate in the current pro competitions. Fucking Torb and Bastion are getting more usage.
They have to look into him.
>>343385447
What?
The McRee nerf was not needed
All they needed to do was give his rightclick a cooldown
Just like Lucio or Soldier
>>343374990
>>343375429
>>343376943
>>343376471
>>343376090
How shit are you guys. It doesn't even matter if you shoot her shield or not.
Reaper can literally 2 shot Zarya when he is up close.
learn to aim.
>>343371243
>It's my last competitive try-out match
>My team can't do anything against their pharah
>Pick bastion as defending because I could probably just get into sneaky positions and stop her from destroying my team
>"Hey bastion can you swap to an actual good hero and take down their pharah? Can you swap to junkrat or something?"
We proceed to lose because no one can kill pharah.
>>343385973
Why change the flow of the character? He still wreaks everyone apart from tanks, as intended.
>>343371243
>*teleports behind u*
pssh, nothen personnell kid
>>343372934
>>343373107
Zarya would be balanced if you could only pick one on a team. 2 Zarya's on a team is fucking cancer.
I wish they would just enforce that in ranked. How god damn enjoyable would it be when everyone isn't just copying down what they saw some "pros" do.
>>343376682
Why is Widowmaker always so smug?
>>343371243
>Can only pick up souls in wraith form
>Drops a soul for whoever gets the last hit that can be consumed like Reaper does
Yay/nay?
>>343388142
>Drops a soul for whoever gets the last hit that can be consumed like Reaper does
Soldier 76 already fills the back-up heal role.
>Can only pick up souls in wraith form
It's not really a big change that would bother me personally.
>Reactivating Wraith mode cancels it.
Yes/No?
>>343371243
Only nerf he needs is he spoopy ghost form
>>343388421
>that would bother
Wouldn't.
>>343374990
>I'm not sure how to deal with Zarya
Don't shoot her shield, at no circumstances shoot it unless she is completely alone and you can kill her by blowing her shield up.
I get cancer every time when I get retarded teammates that shoot it and then wonder why they die like flies while a maxed up Zarya runs around and fucks everyone up.
>>343372890
>Junkrat
>Situational
Honestly, the only thing they need to nerf his his grenades when they aren't direct hits.
>>343388596
>Playing as Reaper
>Notice a Zarya and move into to kill her
>She immediately activates her shield after my first shot
>Decide to just wait for it to deactivate
>She melts my fave with 99 FUCKING POWER BECAUSE MY IDIOT TEAMMATES KEPT ON SHOOTING HER SHIELD
>>343388717
>my face playing Zarya
>enemy team has bastion
>pop up my shield and peek at him to get free charge because bastion players are that retarded
>>343371478
This nigger can kill just about any "light" character in 3 shots.
>>343371243
They should change reapers ammo capacity to 6, but still allow him to left click 8 times by having the last two shots be replaced with him throwing his guns at you
Hard counter = winston
https://youtu.be/NCEVnzR5jH8
>>343371243
>nerf when
In the German version. Everyone has nerf guns.
>>343372874
>Acting like 76 doesnt counter both
top kek.
people dont uderstand how silly 76 is, hes by far the best DD in the game.
>>343375429
>>343374990
dont ever shoot her fucking shield. its literally better for you to spend the time reloading because shooting her shield just makes her stronger.
reaper can fuck up any tank in a couple seconds if you dont miss.
>>343375869
People who go roadhog as the primary tank are the worse.
From what I can tell the meta in comp seems to always include Zarya+ another tank
including Zarya + Zarya.
>>343389120
Reaper counters Winston when Reaper has high health.
>>343385973
No. His issue was he was melting tanks. He was doing what Reaper was supposed to do. His abilites CDs are fine, but his fth damage was all the damage a team needed for protecting a payload AND flanking.
>>343388875
Roadhog can kill any light character in one, can pull them to him from afar, and has a better self-heal
I don't get why everyone bitches about reaper, I consistently fuck him up as hog unless he catches me off guard
>>343389120
Reaper is literally the counter to Winston
Even the tips in game tell you that. Tanks are so wide that shot guns melt them with ease.
Wny is Reinhardt allowed to move as fast as Symmetra in that huge armor and why does it feel like he moves faster when he's swinging, I swear I was running away from him today while he was swinging his 40m hammer at me and he somehow caught up to me
>>343390563
precision german engineering
>>343390563
the hammers range is silly, so are normal melee attacks
try it in an arcade or something. generally if their body is covering the screen tjey can be punched, even of they seem far away.
>>343376963
probably Mech kills and/or healed teammate assists
>>343385618
He has to hit literally every shot of FtH which is hard unless you're touching dicks with Reaper, which you'll only be doing if you corner camped him or walked up when he didn't see you.
>>343371243
As it stands he's the only hope against Tank stacking which is the new meme now that McCree is garbage and Widow's bodyshots do jack shit..
>>343392243
>He has to hit literally every shot of FtH which is hard unless you're touching dicks with Reaper,
Good thing he's got two FtHs close together and no cooldown beyond reloading.
>which you'll only be doing if you corner camped him or walked up when he didn't see you.
or caught him in the flashbang.
>>343372890
>Situational: the character
You mean
>Spin around in circles while shooting and raking in kills with no effort because of massive splash damage and linger from grenades and One shotting anyone who isn't a tank from close range with his toss-mine: the character
>>343392535
the time it takes you to roll and shoot again he can usually one hit you with a headshot.
Getting close enough to Reaper to throw flashbang without being too far away to hit all shots is hard when he can melt you from outside the range you need to be in.
>>343388086
>1st comp game when it got patched in
>enemy is double Zarya
>they just back to back ult us and fuck our mouths
>>343388086
>Every game has either a Lucio mercy combo or a double Zarya, winston or Tracer comp
Competitive game-modes and pro players ruin literally every game
Prove me wrong
>>343372181
I think a good idea for Zen would be to have it that he gains move speed depending on how many orbs he has out. Still wish you could stack orbs, that would make it even more ideal, but I think it could be at least a step in the right direction, with maybe a small health buff but that might make him too strong.
>>343371243
Would you fuckers please for the love of <YOUR HIGHER POWER> consolidate all your retarded "nerf this" threads?
>>343372549
I wish she didn't lose momentum if she shoots in the air, it doesn't even make sense.
>>343376381
>Played 2 hours and already unlocked competitive
>>343396078
Time spent in comp and time spent in Quickplay are separate.
>>343371556
>stop being a shitter
>pick McCree
You can be one or the other Anon but you can't be both.
>>343371790
You can still continue playing quick play, shitter.
>>343376381
>was placed 45
>5 games in a row where we stomped the first round then someone dc'd and couldn't pull out the 5v6
oh well...
*sees u*
*ghosts in front of ur fov*
*tanks ur dmg and kills u*
*take your soul and float away*
>>343396078
Competitive has no requirements
Competitive should be at least level 50+. Getting paired with shitters even on comp fucking sucks.
>>343371243
No fuck you since they nerfed McCree Reaper is the only serious counter to tanks. We already have 2-3 tanks per game we don't need MORE TANKS.
how do I get better with zenyattar
just a superior game coming through...
>>343385618
This is false as fuck. Flashbang lasts .75 seconds and FTH is 6 bullets in 1 second. Each bullet does 45 damage. So that's 270 damage in 1 second if he lands the full thing on Reaper who has 250 health.
But like I said, since flashbang only lasts .75 seconds Reaper will only take about 180 damage before the flash wears off. Hit his immunity and the now you can't be hit by those last two bullets.
Genji can do the same thing with his reflect or dash and he only has 200 health.
Sorry edgelord.
You know who needs nerf? Mercy.
Fuck that bitch's ultimate.
>>343398219
Mad reaper shitter detected.
>>343376862
WHAT THE FUCK IS L1 REEEEEEEE
>>343398108
Pharahs get mad as hell when you airshot them.
>airshot enemy pharah
>"lucker"
>ask if I lucked out twice
>>343398219
They should start taking damage immediately once revived.
>>343398345
Or not revive with full health.
>>343385973
>All they needed to do was give his rightclick a cooldown
People keep saying this, and people continue to be wrong every time they say it.
>>343398409
thats because people dont realise the whole point of the riggt click is to combo it from combat roll, if right click had a cool down roll would be useless
>>343398286
heh heh
to be fair, any trajectory prediction has an element of luck
>>343376862
>L1
Console kids can't discuss balance, sorry. Your game needs to be balanced differently.
>>343398108
>>343398650
>Muh muh old superior game
>>343398131
The Flashbang does 25 damage so in your horror scenario, Reaper takes 205 damage before McCree takes none and is now in Wraith mode. Leaving you with the perfect opportunity to roll away, get some distance and take a headshot.
>>343398912
Well if he can reliably get headshots, he doesn't need to FTH now does he?
But since we're now discussing things that COULD happen, you as reaper could wraith as he throws his flash, and then when you pop out you could land all headshots on him and melt him in seconds. Reaper sure is a McCree counter.
>>343398650
Its almost like Soldier is horrendously better than the rest of the classes in tf2.
>>343399103
>Well if he can reliably get headshots, he doesn't need to FTH now does he?
No, he doesn't. Which I said in the first post too. Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
>But since we're now discussing things that COULD happen, you as reaper could wraith as he throws his flash,
And Genji can deflect it, and Tracer can blink before it hits her. The two classes Mc'Cree is meant to counter or deter. Then it boils down to timing and whether you can bait it.
>>343399215
soldier fast movement requires him to sacrifice health rocket jumping
he's not that good considering he only does around 80 damage at close range and relies heavily on prediction to get kills
he was considered the "best" class back when no one knew how to play scout or demo
>>343399938
>Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
Just when I think I've heard every single possible stupid thing to ever be posted on /v/ about Overwatch you go and say this shit.
>>343385650
>0% pick rate
I'm sorry, but who are you and why are you spewing this nonsense?
>There are people shit enough at this game to think Reaper needs nerfs
And I say that as someone who doesn't have Reaper in my top 7 most played heroes
>>343386956
why did you swap ? Just do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck the haters. Fuck whoever thinks they can boss anyone else around.
>>343371243
is this a fucking joke?
if anything his teleport needs a rework, it is an enemy snipers easiest target
>>343399938
>No, he doesn't. Which I said in the first post too. Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
Except you're wrong. FTH used to do a huge amount of damage, and then you could roll to do it again. He could drop any character in the game with that ability alone.
>And Genji can deflect it, and Tracer can blink before it hits her. The two classes Mc'Cree is meant to counter or deter. Then it boils down to timing and whether you can bait it.
You're right. And post nerf, McCree no longer counters Genji. He only counters Tracer if you flash and get a headshot.
Either way if you're a reaper and losing to a McDouble you're simply bad.
>>343400168
Mcree is actually a sniper class if you're good with his left click.
His right click and stun combos are just icing on the cake.
>>343385618
Reaper can escape a fan the hammer 100% of the time if not hurt too badly, just hold shift.
And lining up two headshots before the stun ends is actually pretty fucking hard. A more consistent combo is flashing on reaction to the headshot sound if you land one, or if you land two bodyshots, then flashing and getting a headshot to finish.
>>343399938
McCree was top pick because of fan the hammer. Nobody's getting headshots every 0.5 seconds; Soldier is a much better choice in 90% of the maps if you want to left click. You should only consider McCree in really claustrophobic maps like Lijiang control center.
>>343371559
doesn't need a boost, just an alt fire
long range single cannon, rather than gattling shotgun
4 pellets instead of the usual 8
still does piss all damage, but she doesn't need the buff, just the utility
Pick Reaper
Click once
Press R, press V, repeat
Bury the map in discarded shotguns
>>343376381
Waiting for KOTH fix.
>>343401401
Of course it was because of fan the hammer and blizzard thought for some fucking reason that it was the "skill" mode for mcgree and not OP as fuck from the beginning and actually rewarded people for using it.
>You get a card with bastion if you kill enough people in scout mode.
>You get a card with mcgree for fucking fan the hammer.
>>343380923
>completely immobile
>>343400828
He has really bad falloff range, making Soldier better at medium-long distances. And Soldier direct hit rockets don't have falloff.
>Decide to play a game of quickplay because Comp is beoken atm
>Get matched with the worst players Ive ever seen
Th-thanks Blizzard
>>343400168
Actually one of the big reasons he was picked besides his utility was how fast he could melt Reinhardts shield with Mercy damage buff.
How do I Pharah? Her splash damage is shit but her rockets are so slow I can't direct hit for shit. If I see a Pharah shooting at me 20m away I can just sidestep away from the rockets before they land
>>343373276
The only post worse than this I've seen is the guy saying Discord should also do 5DPS on it's target.
>>343402575
1- Never stay on the ground
2- Learn to predict trajectories
Also, destroy the enemy's turrets since it's easy.
>>343371795
>>343372549
>>343401849
D.va is the only hero in the game that can eat projectile or hitscan based ultimates. And it's with a basic ability. When she isn't stopping ults, she's flying around and making kills on low health high risk targets like Mercy. I don't see why you cunts want to buff her. She's fine. Just not a good main tank.
>>343402575
>If I see a Pharah shooting at me 20m away
Here's the problem. You don't want to be in the enemy's line of sight or else they'll just shoot you down. You want to be above them, behind them, or high enough so that they can't see you without looking up.
Then you only really need direct hits for tanks which are easier to hit. You can splash important targets like Mercy and Lucio. You can also use splash damage to kill other low health heroes like Tracer, Genji, etc.
>>343402697
>1- Never stay on the ground
That's not always true, if the enemy team has a widowmaker/soldier/mccree you're easier to hit in the air
>>343402834
If the enemy team has a skilled Widow/soldier you probably shouldn't be playing Pharah.
>>343402772
>only hero in the game that can eat projectile or hitscan based ultimates.
This is literally the only thing going for her. Roadhog and Winston are both better for singling out/rushing down high priority targets than her because she crumples in an instant the second she tries to bully anyone that has a gun that can headshot or does high damage. She's a good counter to Winston, but that's about it. She needs help, she isn't fine.
t. person with far too much time put into playing D.Va
>>343402772
Her eating projectiles is the only good part about her kit, well that and her mobility. Generally she's a sort of jack of all trades and isn't a good choice in any situation because you can pick a hero that does whatever you're trying to do better than she does. She fills no role.
>>343402830
I don't understand how can you kill someone with D.Va aside from her ult. Even outside her mech she has better damage.
I only use her for King's Row.
>>343403165
meant to quote >>343402772
>>343397958
you need to be rank 25 to get into competitive.
>>343403165
D.Va's ult is one of the worst in the game though, unless it's paired with something like Mei's Freeze or Zarya's ult. But those pair well with like 75% of the ults in the game so that's not saying shit, and even with those her ult requires annoying timing comparatively.
The biggest bullshit in the world though is that no matter how much HP Reinhardt's shield has, it will stop it from transferring past it, meaning if there's a Reinhardt you literally can't kill any of the enemy team with it.
>>343402772
Because it takes over 10 headshots each dicktouching range to kill mercy, and if she power walks away then you can triple that.
Her survivability and movement more than make up for that desu, but I really would like to get more than one confirmed kill per match
>>343372934
>mei
>hold left click while running through the opponent
>take your time to aim at their head and press right click
Eat shit cunt
>>343403292
That's the point of Rein, he's a giant cock block.
Zarya's ult is unusable until he's dead or his shield is down.
>>343402834
If you don't have control of the air get off pharah.
She's useless if you can't stay up in the air dropping loads on the enemy team the entire game.
>>343403481
That's not true. Zarya's ult can still be used to good effect with a Reinhardt around, since he can only protect from one general direction and they're all stuck there for the duration of it. A Pharah or Junkrat on your team, for instance, will capitalize on a Zarya ult with a Rein shield still up no problem, especially if they have their ult. A bastion on your team will take down the shield and the whole enemy team effortlessly too of course.
>>343403425
Try not getting singled out from the rest of your team, Mei doesn't have much in the way of movement options so it's not hard to swarm her and take her down quickly so long as you don't fall for bait and get ice wall'd away. She's annoying because slow/stun/movement removing shit is the most frustrating tier of ability to deal with, but she's really not OP.
>>343402575
Flank the enemy.
Shoot at them from the air and rooftops behind/to the side.
If they have ranged heroes preventing you from doing that don't play pharah.
>>343403481
Nah because there is a lot of shit that goes through it or can break it easy. When your using Zarya's ult it's usually to combo with another ult.
>>343403425
>mei
>hold left click while running through the opponent
>half of the cast easily gets away from you
>die
>>343402772
Lot's of heroes can do that.
Genji can deflect them and rein and zarya can shield against them.
>>343403481
>Use Zarya ult
>shoot your alt fire at full energy into their feet that Rein can't/probably won't be shielding
>???
>profit
>>343382720
Build wall faggot.
>>343390345
>comp seems to always include Reinhardt + an off-tank
FTFY
>>343403707
If they make it so while her LMB freezes you, you can still use abilities that let you escape(if you have any) it would be fine. Now you sit there for good 1.5 seconds and are dead 99% of the time. It's her LMB, shouldn't get punished that much from a basic attack.
>>343403939
>Rein shield extends to the ground
>???
>die painful death
>>343404083
Rein Zarya mercy lucio + 2DPS is the new meta on payload maps
Deal with it.
>>343404120
You can use abilities that would let you escape from it though, so long as you use them early enough.
>>343404134
He has to willingly aim it down since Zarya's ult picks people off the ground though.
>>343404120
>If they make it so while her LMB freezes you, you can still use abilities that let you escape(if you have any) it would be fine.
No, she would be beyond useless
Her whole mediocre point is fucking up mobile heroes
>>343373107
>Ult countered/avoided by half the cast. Need high energy and/or coordinated team ult for it to be worth shit
>Shield cooldown on self is 10 seconds and lasts 2. Only handles 200 damage so high DPS melts it.
>Lowest damaging Tank unless fed energy by retards
Try playing her, then get back to me.
>>343404221
kek. You watch competitive, eh? You said Zarya is more prominent than Reinhardt. You will never see a comp without him especially on fucking payload maps, and sometimes Zarya is swapped out for Roadhog or Winston.
Deal with it.
>>343404243
It extends below his feet.
He has to aim up or at least level for there to be a gap.
And why would he be not aimed down slightly when he's up in the air?
>>343404331
Only a few characters can easily escape her ult, and it combos with the majority of the cast's ults too. It's a good ultimate.
High DPS might melt it but like many other things it is wonderful at mitigating high damage. You aren't meant to be the main tank, you're meant to be a supporting tank.
There are many cases where you can force people to feed you energy considering you can give the shield to allies as well.
Literally git gud, Zarya's just fine.
>>343404262
I think her LMB shouldn't slow you.
That way she actually has to track people and you can still get away if you react.
I still think McCree's nerfs were a bit overboard.
He was able to kill tanks + squishies.
Now he can only consistently kill a squishy if they're tracer.
>>343404550
Roadhog and winston are just for shit teams who can't deal with phrah.
>>343404686
You can already get away if you react with most characters. Stop being a shitter.
>>343404610
Lots of Reinhardts don't, probably because they don't realize they need to or don't react quickly enough when the ult happens. I'm not saying good Reinhardts will fall for this but plenty will. Doesn't change the fact most of your team can still capitalize on the ult even if there's a Rein shield still up anyways though.
>>343404686
SAure, if you majorly buff her in some other way
Say, halve the time it takes to freeze
She's already bottom of the barrel
>>343386956
>Swap to Junkrat
>To take down Pharah
Yeah, your team was retarded. Bad luck.
>>343404764
Not most characters.
Maybe half.
>>343404759
Reaper can ruin any offensive, defensive, or support hero if he has a favorable engagement on them, what? Or are you just bad at pulling off the double headshot after the flashbang?
Despite being an offensive character he's much more of a defensive one since he shines only when enemies have to come to him.
His ability to effortlessly destroy every member of the cast before just because he pressed E was retarded.
>>343404684
Good ultimate is not the same thing as best Ultimate. It's situational too, and depends on good coordination or a dumb enemy team. The best ults are independent of that.
Someone admits that Zarya is the off-tank role. That's actually true. Because this game has only 1 authentic, braindead tank. Here's an idea for when she throws up her barriers - don't shoot. Force people? At high level you have to be smart, and throw it up during ults because good players aren't "forced" into shit. Unless you use Roadhog, Mei, or McCree who literally stun characters.
Literally git gud, Zarya's just fine, and actually takes skill. I'm one of the top tanked Zaryas, I know.
>>343404849
>mei shitters can't aim her OP icicle
>want buffs
>>343405086
Her icicle is a worse McCree lmb
It's not bad but it's not some kind of revelation
>>343405035
Well then maybe they shouldn't have let him walk up to them.
I mean, "Don't get hooked" is the same logic used to justify Roadhog being able to 1 shot anyone with less than 250 health at any time.
>>343404761
Pharah's major counters bar 76 were nerfed hard and most teams know to have their Mercy tunneling Pharah so 76 doesn't hard counter her. In competitive she is a staple now. So, Roadhog's hook comes into play. Winston isn't just for Pharah, he's for squishies and backline harassment. He needs a roof to be able to hit her with his french tickler.
>>343405210
She also has 250hp, and a invulnerability/self heal.
Not to mention her fucking wall.
>>343405235
>learn how to aim
>play widow
>profit
>>343405210
An over-sized hitbox that can 1-shot Tracer if headshot, on a character that is supposed to suffer from a distance. Mei might not need a nerf yet, but she definitely doesn't need a buff.
>>343405369
Tell that to the top Widows who will always know how to aim better than you ever will, who rarely use her anymore. They literally don't profit anymore
>>343405018
Literally just press shift tier:
>Tracer, Pharah, Genji, Reaper, Widow, D.Va, Winston
Conditional/bit more difficult shift tier
>Mercy, Junkrat
Situation dependent escape tier
>Lucio
Build a wall tier
>Mei
That's roughly half, though other characters can deal it in other ways
>McCree
Flashbang and kill her
>S76
Throw down a biotic field. You can then try to either kill her, or run away after freeze+m2 fails to kill you because biotic field heals you enough.
>Zarya, Roadhog, Rein
Tanky enough to be able to deal with freeze+m2. Zarya barrier prevents you from freezing. Rein+Roadhog can just kill Mei.
This only leaves out Zenyatta, Symmetra, Hanzo, Bastion and Torbjörn.
>>343405071
I'm not the original poster who claimed anything about her having the best ultimate.
There are plenty of situations you can force people into giving you ult though. Junkrats spamming down corridors, Torb turrets, and of course ultimates as you said. Anytime someone is already being tied up in shooting someone you're probably going to get at least a little energy out of it. But the big is that whether you get energy or not, you just forced that engagement to have a huge bias. They have to actively stop shooting that target for those two or less seconds while they get to do whatever they want.
I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point but I only took opposition to you making a list that seemed to try and paint her as bad in any way. All of her abilities are just fine.
>>343377792
She clearly says Dovnesti, which is Russian for Dynasty. She's building a legacy upon using her ultimate
>>343405468
You aren't forcing a Junkrat to feed you, or a player to pick Torbjorn. Yeah, she is fed off of the lazy Junkrat spam and the auto-aim Torbjorn turrets for poor-aimers and just plain dumpers.
You read my post without reading what I was responding to. Nice. Context matters.
>>343377792
She's saying "I'm going for the Toad Nasty" not Toblerone ffs.
>>343405638
>She clearly says Dovnesti, which is Russian for Dynasty
That is so not Russian for "dynasty".
