I just finished Dark Souls for the first time. Is the last boss supposed to be disappointingly piss easy? Also, the game itself isn't even that hard like how the entire internet makes it seem.
>>343268803
It's not a difficult game, it just doesn't hold your hand like other games nowadays. It's easy to understand how normies can confuse that with "difficulty".
Soulsborne games being hard is just a meme.
>>343268803
You used drake sword didnt you?
>>343268803
Yes
>I read a guide and knew you can parry Gwyn
Congrats OP
>>343269029
Bloodborne is legit hard though. Especially old hunter.
>>343268803
Its really not that hard, especially after an hour or two of playing and you get the hang of it. Only people who can't adapt to the play style are the ones who complain that its hard. Can you be an expert and still die? Sure. But 99% of the deaths are your fault. Too impatient, lazy, etc
The last boss in all 3 are pretty easy. The way I see it, is its the games way of saying "hey, good job, you beat the game, heres an easy enemy to wrap things up with"
>>343269060
>implying you need to use the drakesword when gwyn is by far one of the easiest things in the game to parry
It's not supposed to be difficult and remember that everyone you face in the game is old and withered. Congrats op, you just beat up an old man. Imagine Gwyn in his prime, he'd fuck you up.
>>343269240
The only hard fight in bb is depth 5 phtu
>>343269060
drake sword is terrible later on
>>343269060
The Drake sword has shit tier scaling from memory. It would probably make everything after the lord vessel more difficult.
>>343269029
Yeah, it's definitely a meme I can see that now. But even in /v/ I kept seeing people saying how hard it was.
>>343269060
No.
>>343269212
You can parry him?
>>343269240
It's really not, even with OH.
I love the dlc but they dropped the ball on the boss fights.
Ludwig phase 2 attacks need faster startup
Maria needs some stagger resistance, so day to lock her down.
Failures are a joke, make them more aggressive
Fix kos phase 2 ai so you can't chain backstab it
Laurence is pretty much fine.
>>343269479
>So day to
So easy to*
Dark Souls 2 attempts far too often to be unfairly hard and frustrating for the sake of memes. Think that's why I didn't like it, really.
Bloodborne's still my favorite.
>>343268803
Try the second game. At base adp you have to actually time your rolls to dodge attacks. I enjoyed it alot more and felt more rewarding to win in that game
>>343268803
>old burnt out god who's been smoldering in an ancient kiln for hundreds of years
>the first flame is fueled only by his life force, and the first flame has been dim for many years
>he also split up the flame between all of the bosses that you've killed, so now you possess most of it
Take a guess
>>343269701
What was unfair? I didn't anything find anything that I could really classify as bullshit except shrine of amana pre nerf.
>>343269701
>Dark Souls 2
>Hard
Its been a while since I've played it, but I don't recall anything in it being that hard.
MAYBE the Ruin Sentinels on your first playthrough. Again, its been a while, so I might be forgetting.
>>343268803
Dark Souls isn't hard, it's challenging
>>343269993
Lud and zallen
>>343269892
It's just a meme made by underages.
>>343269993
Did you solo? I sure had a hard time with Sentinels.
>>343269701
Dark Souls 2 was the easiest one.
>>343269339
it literally has no scaling at all
It's useful on early enemies before you actually get to the blacksmith and have some titanite to spare, but I feel it's pretty useless about after entering Sen's Fortress
It also has shit range on top of that
>>343268803
Cool blog
>>343269774
I've heard that 2 is just "artificial difficulty" bullshit because someone else directed the game, so I just assumed it was the black sheep of the Soulsborne games. I usually try to avoid games that try to take the cheap way, should I go ahead and play it?
>>343270070
Yeah, exactly this. You just have to be very careful to not fuck up.
>>343270181
No. Used npc caster summon
>>343270249
>blog
>>343270249
Thanks, you can go back to your trap or e-celeb threads now.
>>343270259
Play it, people only hate it because it doesn't play1:1 like das1. There's nothing that's no more "artificial" than anything in the first
Only thing is rolling system changed and iframes are tied to a state. But everything can be dodged at base adp. It's a good game and gets unfairly shitted on
>>343268803
Ornstein and Smough are generally considered the most difficult part of your first playthrough.
>>343270181
I solo'd NG. I mean I'm not saying I didn't die ever or get frustrated, but I don't ever recall a point where I was tempted to summon, or even quit
>>343270109
Ahh, yeah I actually remember having a tough time with them
>>343270458
>tfw you solo them on NG and NG+, Smoughs armor first and Ornsteins armor second
I broke a controller over that shit. Proud to say I did it though.still haven't beaten nameless king solo.. dunno why I suck so much
>>343270637
I've seen someone beat O&S NG+7 SL1
>>343270637
You're likely rolling too early. He delays his attacks like das2 bosses
>>343270753
Yeah I've seen some crazy playthroughs being naked using only a club before. Not sure how they manage to do it honestly. I'd consider myself a decent souls player, but I still take hits even on fights that I know well.
>>343268803
Yes. By the end of the game I became a cheating bastard and just did suicide runs to scout shit. So I'm bored in class and decide to scout the final boss - I'm on my laptop using a fucking TRACKPAD for crying out loud and then I beat him on my first try. I was expecting stage 2 or something any minute now, but no. It was fucking ridiculously easy and my build was TERRIBLE too.
I went back to finish NG+ after a long while and I really struggled with Gwyn. He was just constantly on me
>>343268803
Gwyn was a husk of a God by the time you fought him, supposedly. The game director said in an interview he regretted making Gwyn too easy
>>343268803
So The Nameless King is Gwyn, right?
>>343270879
>he hasn't done an SL1, no armor, no shield, no healing, permadeath ng-ng+6 run
>decent
Always makes me kek when I see people shit on Gywn but then ride Pontiff's dick, literal gwyn boss fight 2.0.
>>343271303
How? That doesn't make any sense anon.
>>343269240
>R1 spam: the game
The hardest part of BB is the framerate.
>>343271547
I don't know, I don't follow the lore that much. He just looks a lot like him. I thought maybe he was somehow Gwyn, the same way that the Old Iron King from DaS2 was somehow Gwyn because of reincarnation. Unless DaS2 isn't canon or something.
>>343269701
I bought SotFS in the Steam Sale after playing it on PS3 years ago. So far I've made it through half of the Bastille without dying once and I'm not even trying.
It isn't that hard. It's a lot clunkier and punishes you in odd ways like few i-frames, but it isn't as bad as either DaS or DaS3 for pure difficulty.
>>343271743
He's pretty much confirmed Gwyns firstborn son that was cast out for consorting with dragons.
DaS2 is still to an extent canon, but isn't referenced much (kinda like star wars prequels status).
>>343271743
>>343271547
I just looked it up, and I guess a popular theory is that its Gwyns firstborn, which makes more sense.
>>343269060
The reason that sword is pissed on is because it's an OP crutch in the early game. Anyone using that piece of shit post Sens Fortress and actually succeeding should be congratulated, you memeing fuck.
>>343271443
Don't be hatin on the Pontiff.
I like him because he has a very unconventional rhythm to his attacks. Bosses like the Dancer have a very clear rhythm to the timing of their attacks, but the Pontiff pulls out quick jabs with his off-hand sword or an untelegraphed swipe straight after another. It was a good fight.
>>343270160
>360 degree tracking
>being teleported into enemy grabs
>"shockwaves"
>enemies bursting through walls with no warning
>ds2 kiddies will actually defend this
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>343269249
>I parried him and the game let me do it. It's totally legit guys!
>>343272580
>No warning
As if you need one in Dark Souls. If you're not walking through zones with your shield up, expecting the worst, then you're doing it wrong.
Other points are fair though.
>>343268803
It is the only boss that actively punishes you for healing. If you poise through the fight or parry him, sure it can be easy, but on a lighter character, and if you refuse to parry, it by far the most challenging boss of the game.
>>343272580
Time your rolls, it is das/des where you can just press dodge when an enemy lifts their weapon and be unharmed
Grabs teleport you in all souls games, if you get hit it has to teleport you to play the animation.
Shockwaves are just you mistiming rolls. Only one enemy in all of soulsborne has a legit shockwave and that's pappa G
You can see the ogre through the barred windows
Git gud scrub
it's not particularly hard it's just a combination of things that make progressing really annoying.
also, despite what people say, there is a ton of annoying "gotcha" bullshit that you can't see coming. yes you can see pressure plates and avoid the trap sometimes, but there are plenty of places you either have to trial and error or read a guide.
>>343273142
There is zero trial and error in ALL souls games.
>>343273142
Name one
>>343268803
Just so you know, parrying gwyn disqualifies you from claiming to have beat the game.
>>343273198
If the bridge dragon didn't get you the first time, you used a guide.
>>343273238
capra demon
if you're not running to the side before the gate animation finishes, you get pinned to the wall by his dogs
>>343273697
Scorch marks are all over the bridge, and it's very suspiciously open. Try again
>>343272804
What about that ogre in Aldia's Keep?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kByZSWA4w&t=19m09s
Here the player deliberately wastes time by walking slowly and waiting it out, but if you don't already know this is going to happen you'll grab the item and run over to open the door and be attacked and killed while you're in the middle of the animation. Also, before Scholar of the First Sin, there was no item to lure you over to that corner to give the player a "fair" chance to not be hit with no warning.
>>343273754
You learn enemy models have collision way before Capra anon, try again
>>343273697
>Bunch of enemies in a wide open area
>Multiple items on the ground
If you didn't smell an ambush, then I'm not sure what to say.
>>343273697
I know a guy who first tried Sen's Fortress and it was his first Soul game. He was fucking slow but he fell in absolutely no trap and killed the giant throwing burning urns with his broken bow.
>>343273983
what? i'm talking about how you get cornered before you have a chance to react unless you know what's coming.
>>343273978
You can see the ogre through the barred window.
>>343274051
Why would you stand still in a boss fight, especially when the camera pans in way to show you three enemies are coming to you ?
>>343273983
Not him but knowing that you can't walk through enemies doesn't automatically give the player the clairvoyance to immediately roll the dogs and go up the stairs, friend.
>>343269060
Drake sword becomes super under powered after you kill undeadburg bosses.
>>343273978
>343273978
you can even even see the ogre you fucking idiot.
>>343272841
This was true for me. At least the other bosses give you space. Gwyn is just relentless. Had to kinda get him behind a pillar so I could heal a bit
>>343268803
>Is the last boss supposed to be disappointingly piss easy
That's a staple of Souls games
>>343273697
I played Demon Souls first so
>>343274060
>>343274275
>You can see the ogre
?
>>343268803
Gwynn is more of a mercy killing than a Boss fight, don't bully the old man.
>>343274138
because every boss fight before started out further away from you and gave you time to observe how they moved and attacked
plus it's a tiny narrow room, and if you go the wrong way on the first dodge you can fuck yourself because there are more places to get stuck. he's an easy boss because of it, but you're lying to yourself if you think there's enough warning to react while you're going in blind
>>343274207
>>343274359
Literally nothing in my post claimed that you'd be standing still, but if you want to play that game, then maybe you want to observe the boss's pattern first (not expecting to be ganked because none of the other bosses were like this before that point)
>>343268803
I never even tried parrying him and thought the fight was difficult as fuck.
When you've heard for 5 years this game is "hard" you're probably going to party quit cautiously. Which is all it really takes to make this game much easier. Add magic and/or a bow and its no problem at all.
Oh and I almost forgot this shit in Huntsman's Copse
>>343274729
You don't get walled in unless your standing still.
>>343274976
If you approach slowly then he will go through the door before you approach.
He also needs 2-3 swings to break through teh door and you can see it shaking visibly.
>>343274976
Yeah, this and the Ogre were both cheapshots. Atleast you can avoid it every time after the first.
>>343275134
It's mostly that this is pretty much unavoidable your first time playing unless you're very cautious.
>>343275134
It does take two swings to knock the door down, but enemy attacks have had the ability to go through walls and geometry to hit you since Demon's Souls. If you see the door visibly shaking you're already being hit by those attacks, unless you already know it was coming and quickly run in and out to trigger and avoid it.
>I don't know what you guys were talking about, Dark Souls was soooo easy
Congratulations, you're so special. Jesus, these threads are tiring.
>>343275716
git gud!!!!!!!!!!!
xD :D:D
>>343268803
>people who beat dark souls and then say it wasn't hard afterwards
why do you need to front on the internet? I got through it relatively steadily and i'll still say its difficult. Gwyn fucked my shit up so I used stone flesh tbqh
>>343275716
Fuck off.
>>343276175
>Because I had difficulty with a boss means everyone did
Stop.
You don't judge a games difficulty based on bad players. You base it on average players.
>>343273983
>I walked into the capra demon room and immediately adapted to the situation and won the boss first try because it was so fair
fuck off m8
>>343276286
Well, that's irrelevant to my post but the average player does not make it through the enemies in undead burg
>>343275529
I just played through dark souls 2 and was not hit by the first attack.
>>343275325
Why wouldn't you be cautious the first time you're playing though? It's not exactly a guaranteed death anyway considering the guy hits for like 150-200 damage.
You're far more likely to get killed by a mimic, a trap or any kind of hidden enemy than by one of the weakest enemies getting one free hit on you.
>>343276297
>I walked into Capra room and put down my controller to watch the dogs and boss corner me and fuck my ass raw, this game is 100% trial and error
Nah u fuck off cunt
>>343269060
drake sword sucks by the time you make it to gwyn
>>343276429
Average in terms of skill level not players.
Steam achievements show linking the fire at what 20%?
>>343269060
I don't get this post.
Drake sword is fucking terrible by the time you get to gwyn. If he used drake sword once he's past the point where he can get upgrades beyond +5 then he's basically gimping himself.
Is this the drake sword myth that bad players keep perpetuating?
>>343276509
9.8%
Which is still pretty high considering a lot of people simply don't finish games.
>>343269993
DRAKEKEEPER MACE FAGS
GOD DAMN
Also that one bullshit place in poison valley, with the 5 sickle guys with infinite poise.
>>343273861
>>343274034
The first time, you have to know the dragon is coming and intentionally double back before there is any cue. By the time you hear the dragon it's already too late unless you are sprinting back literally the instant you hear it, and you probably die. Scorch marks and an open area don't actually give you the information you need to avoid the dragon's initial strafing run.
>>343274049
Sen's Fortress is actually really fair, IIRC the first dart trap is positioned so you can see it coming and block it with a shield. I'd even say the giant bombardment on the roof is fair because you see scorch marks reminiscent of the dragon and you know it's time to haul ass.
>>343268803
but did you have fun with it?
>>343269240
Bloodborne is more unfair than hard.
>>343277407
Not op, but I did have fun. It's my first time finishing a souls game, not really difficult but kinda tedious in some parts. Also I did the moonlight butterfly before I even knew what the gargoyles were, it was a surprise to know there was more to that part of the castle.
Is the black Knight sword op in that game? I used that since I got it to the end boss and had 0 problems in regards to doing damage.
>>343277842
It has almost no ambushes or traps and very few instant death falls compared to Souls. It's just a straight up combat game.
>>343278067
Right. But the combat isn't fair in most cases. Souls may have pitfalls, but its slow nature definitely made it fair. The Orphan fight just highlights all the problems Bloodborne combat had.
Although some people have fond memories of slamming their heads against a wall trying to make hundreds of frame perfect dodges, for hours on end. Depends on what you like, but BB combat definitely isn't "hard" so much as just incredibly tight and overly fast and spastic. Hence, more unfair than difficult.
>>343273198
Absolute bullshit. The whole games design is built around trail and error.
>>343278381
>Trying different playstyles that fit you and different strategies to defeat a boss.
Yes thats trial and error which is not a bad thing in any way.
However if you mean trial and error as bullshit kills that you have no way to know, then yes, there is none of that.
>>343268803
Gwyn was a mistake on From's part, he was intended to be much harder than the end result.
Gwyn is essentially a normal zombie with juiced up stats and different moveset which you can parry.
>>343278267
The only time I had that kind of issue was with certain bosses who alternate fast and slow attacks at random with similar (or no) cue, like Ludwig. The quick attacks force you to react on a hair trigger, but the slow ones are timed to hit you if you dodge them with fast attack timing. I don't recall Orphan pulling that shit, he mostly has the same timing on his moves.
>>343278575
He has no chill though so I'd argue there's a lot of patience involved. Plus you need to figure out which of his attacks you can repost before you kill him via repost. He's not hard but he also isn't a boss you beat your first try
>>343268803
Original Dark Souls isn't even supposed to be hard, it's supposed to befun
>>343268803
>piss easy
he's a pretty regular guy after all the shit you've been through, so there is no great surprise like other bosses
have you seen his statues anon? his coffin? how tall he was supposed to be? and now he's barely taller than you
also, the theme is pretty sad
you're supposed to feel that emptiness anon
>>343269240
I hope the dlc is hard, the main game left me unsatisfied because it was hyped up as the hardest souls game
>>343279082
The DLC is harder and chalice dungeons with modifiers will smash your dick right off of your body.
>>343278004
It's one of the strongest weapons in the game.
>>343279215
Modifiers? You mean root, sinister stuff like that. I have already beaten yharnam, how much harder are the random dungeons compared to fixed?
>>343279386
Random vs. fixed are similar, but sometimes you get crazy monster configurations including wandering bosses. What I'm talking about are "rites" like cursed, rotten, and something else whose name I forget. You can stack all three, but the big one is cursed since it halves your health and makes pretty much everything one shot you
>>343276445
>controller
>>343280058
>not playing with a controller
>>343271443
That's exactly what happened. As soon as people realized they couldn't rely on poise to get through Pontiff's attack, it became the "hardest boss ever". They should also have removed the possibility to parry him just to rustle some jimmies.
I just hate when people shit on Gwyn but can't beat him without relying on tricks breaking the boss fight.
>>343279925
Wandering bosses sounds cool, gonna have to try it out. Other than the empty room with 2-3 bell cunts spawning spiders and a couple of werewolves the fixed chalice dungeons weren't much of a problem if you take your time. I adore the game it my favourite souls game by far, its just that I took out a large portion of the bosses on my first attempt and that disappointed me somewhat
