Zero Time Dilemma new thread
Spoilers are certain.
first forMINDHACKING
I want to fuck Phi
What are the 3rd and 4th options for the Q team standoff, I already have Eric and Mira, but I can't enter Q, Me orSean
how do I trigger Q end 2? I'm stuck and I've already done the other two boxes
>>343244417IT WAS MENTIONED IN VLR
>>343244515
Play the game!no one / Delta
>>343244515nobody. the other one you figure out later
So, who was??? and wasn't Kyle also supposed to go back to help Sigma?
Be careful what you wish for, Akane.
Grumpy Jumpy is best Jumpy
>Alice/All-Ice/Ice-9/Mummies not even mentioned
So Alice was really nothing but a slut who hung out in the desert waiting to recruit the SUV of people to the secret service?
>>343244323
How the fuck doesAkane not get injected with the soporil and be able to violently bash Carlos's head open with a fire extinguisher
The only thing I can think of is that theelectricity fried her watch
>>343244417
>>didnt play VLR
>>343244553
>>343244723
What? When? I would've laughed my fucking ass off and remembered ifthe term "mind-hacking"was in VLR.
>>343244660
??? is YOU.
Kyle is pretty much open ended , it is entirely possible he was Gab
>>343244706
Doesn't all of that happen before the injection?
>>343244684
he wasn't even that grumpy and wouldn't fucking stop flirting with akane, it was disappointing
>>343244695
Alice isworking for Delta.
>>343244843
Nvm I found out like 5 seconds later
>>343244839
I hope the inevitable Q&A will clear it up, even if in a joking manner.
>>343244478
You are not alone in that desire.
>half of the ost is great but recycled
>the other half is shit
Specifically, the music in C Team's escapes were was mostly awful. What happened?
So, would youkill Q/Delta/Brother or not?
>>343244660
lets just get this out of the wayit is never explained because it's an aborted arc. most likely due to a rewrite by uchikoshi, a lot can change form 2012 to 2016 and the ZE3 he first thought off isn't the zero escape we see today. unless he manages to give us a real response ion Q&A most of that scene is retconned into irrelevancy
>>343244946
Watching through it again, Explaining Kyle would have required a lot of time, Which would be hard considering how much they tried not to retell previous games. If he was in Gab then Zero shooting him would have made sense to activate SHIFT so he could get to the true end!
>>343245038He didn't do anything,so why would Anyone? Really all he did was put 9 people in a jail for a bit, then inject some drugs. Then they were free
>>343244695>gets sent back in time with the transporter
>gets sent too far
>freezes herself in ice9 and hides on the titanic
>she was ALLICE all along
This is my headcanon
>>343244832
The term wasn't used but brother using the morphogenetic feild to control people was
>>343244946
it did. ??? is the actual player playing the game. You were the one getting mindhacked to fuck over the participants (or were you :O )
>>343245121>literally mind hacking hitler
>didn't do anything wrong
>>343245117>If he was in Gab then Zero shooting him would have made sense to activate SHIFT so he could get to the true end!
Makes sense, I like this explanation.
>Get to the part where it asks Who killed _____________
>Answer Gab
>Eric:ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? HOW WOULD THE FUCKING DOG DO IT?
>Get to the part where it asks you to reveal Zero
>Answer Gab
>Eric:YOU'RE JUST FUCKING WITH ME AREN'T YOU?!
Oh my fucking god, this game.
My sides.
>>343245145
>using the morphogenetic feild to control people
>>>literally what mind hacking is
Also, which one of you was the asshole that, in every Zero Escape thread for the last 3 years, predicted that Phiwas Sigma and Diana's spawn?
What was the best scene/fragment and why was it The stranded pair/D2-END
How didBrother know about the future nuclear war if he can't shift and why didn't Akane?
>>343244478
Phi best girl
>>343244323
Guys! i just got an email from Amazon saying that my special edition isnt coming with the watch and they gave me $10 as compensation until they get a restock if any
>tfw i preordered it more than a year ago
>>343245371
It was the least surprising twist
> Subtitles say Junpei
> Japanese audio says Junpei-kun
> Junpei-kun is obviously suppose to be Jumpy
I guess Bateman didn't leave a memo behind.
>>343245371
Wasn't it obviously hinted at in VLR though
>>343245324
thats what i was saying
>>343245490
Nope
>>343245371
There were lots of us.
As soon as people saw hereyebrows, it was a done deal.
Anyone got a torrent for PC? Still haven't gotten either 3DS or Vita copy
>>343245469>I'm a red-head
>Diana's hug gives off a familiar smell
>camera pointing directly at Sigma and Diana when Sigma tells Phi her parents must've been weird
Yeah, it was foreshadowed a million times.
>>343245583
I knew when she said "my hair is actually red" saw it coming a mile away seemed TOO obvious
>>343245371literally everyone. it was one of the most believed fan theories at the time (though i saw people also saying akane was the mom since in VLR we didn't know she was a red head, don't think anyone ever considered her having siblings
>>343245403
No, the best scene fragment was whereZero madeEricblow his own fucking head off with the shotgun
He deserved it.
Can someone post the art booklet that comes with the Steam version?
>>343245371
>that fucking picture
>>343245403When Carlos tries to rape Akane, and Junpei fucks him up
I couldn't believe Uchi actually did it.
>Zero Time Dilemma is a top seller on steam, even with the sale
>>343245752
With the game out, the picture is more funnier.
>>343245825
Hopefully this sends a better budget Uchikoshi's way
>>343245806
I just thought that scene was stupid, especially one you get the 'explanation' for it
>>343245806he didnt try and rape akane, It was just a show for the cameras to remove the watches
>>343245403C END when Akane drugs Junpei
D FQB when diana and sigma remember that they are Phi's parents
And Q removing his helmet
>Carlos (along with most of the others at the end):"We can't sacrifice our other selves who won the coin toss!"
>says this after shifting like four times and leaving his other selves to die in horrific ways every time
Well, at least they actually do end up shifting and don't seem to give a shit.
>when you first shootthe crossbow at Eric
>>343245825
It was #1 for a while as well
[WARNING:DO NOT PRESS THIS BUTTON]
So in the end,Mira just gets away with being a crazy fucking mass murderer?
>>343245883
>tfw buying a copy for a friend of mine now that I've beaten it
>>343245886It's great if you're a junpeifag
>>343245896
I know.
Air lies
>>343246015
Read the files that you unlock after completing everything
>>343245680
I thought she wasDiana's sister and the twin birthday thing solidified that
>>343246015
Read the post-escape notes
>>343245995
That part where
>>343245735
>>343246015
Read the files.Eric convinces her to turn herself in, then Sean busts her out of jail and they go hijack the Transporter in order to stop child Mira from committing the first murder.
I love the files' implication thatPhi became her own adoptive mother
>>343246085
thats awesome!!! I had a similar one. I noticed that the wards all had spaces where other wards had rooms, I thought thatthis meant all 3 wards had the same rooms so I loved it when I found the actual reason why!!!
>>343246204
JUST LIKE BAYONETTA
>>343246204
You can tell Uchikoshi was just fucking around without a care in the files.
>won the coin toss
Easy game, easy life.
how the hell do i trigger q end 2?
>>343246332
Painfully and with a lot of dying.
Zero Time Dilemma is the only Vita game I've played where the 30-second screen-dimming is disabled during cutscenes. Not even VLR did that. I honestly assumed it wasn't possible.
>>343246323
>I'M DRUNK ON LIFE!
>>343246204
So many people will not realize this and will think youre spouting head canon!
It also explains howPhi got the brooch off her mother(adopted mother)
Akanedeliberately sets off a bomb not caring if everyone else dies
And here I thought she'd be normal
>>343245121
He may have not done anything in this specific instance, buthe is still the leader of Free the Soul, a cult that brings people to commit suicide and the person ultimately responsible for Akane's kidnapping as a child.
>>343246332
If that's what I think it is, refuse to answer Eric's threat and let the time run out.
>>343246028
Can confirm. Am Junpeifag. Glad he didn't take it like a bitch and actually acted.
>>343246448>It also explains how Phi got the brooch off her mother(adopted mother)
She got the brooch by a bootstrap paradox
Did you do it on your first try?
>>343246523
>refuse to answer Eric's threat
I got frustrated as hell and wrote "I don't know" as a joke
Blew my mind when I realized that was the correct answer
>>343246332
Uh, well.
Let's just say it starts with the yellow door in d-team's route.
>those post-ending diana/sigma files
shit these are sad
>tfw Junpei got reunited withthe funyarinpa
Whats the liquid combination for the analyzer in the biolab?
>>343246608
Yes I know that lolThe actual bootstrap paradox is where the transporter got the data from to COPY
>>343246652
Hell yeah. Sigma's leading me down the path that rocks.
>>343246723Those are from the VLR timeline if you didn't get that
They live happily together in the true ending
>>343246776I was pointing out that her adoptive mother didn't give her the brooch, it was created by a time paradox
>>343246693
You want a joke?
Go back to that part and write Gab
>>343245038If I was Carlos, yes. That place was a fucking death trap and he made me go through it a million times. But as the player, no, he might have had more relevant information
>>343246762Put the metal plate in the microwave
>>343246762
orange blue white!
>>343246517They only commit suicide to become a SHIFTerAt least thats my headcanon
>>343246890
>They live happily together in the true ending
Are you sure? Does the 22-year old sigma come back at the end?
>>343246907
I did, that was fucking hilarious
You can also choose gab for the "who to kill" choice
Major spoilers
If you type Sean, Eric says "I knew you did it"
If you type Q he says "thats impossible"
Amazing foreshadowing
>>343246693
>>343246907
>no option to accuse "Funyarinpa" of murdering Junpei
>>343244478
I want todatePhiand prove to Daddy Sigma that I'm a responsible boyfriend
AB game returns
Shit just got real
>the heroes have nothing on Brother to get him convicted in the end
W-well, it's not like I wanted closure or anything.
>>343246523
Yeah I got this already. This is where I currently am
So lost. I don't know any passwords for force quit boxes or have any idea how to get them.
I thought thatSean's head password, 6140 4091, would re-boot the computer but nope. I know a Brooch is a Mother's memento but I don't know the other.
>>343247042
no, Sigma essentially gets the 45 years back
>>343247042
>Does the 22-year old sigma come back at the endNo, there is no young sigma in that timeline
But old sigma already fucked diana in the transfer pod, so you know they will end up togetherits not creepy right?
Itt: Post holy shit moments
>ENTIRETY OF FUCKING PANTRY
>Landing the dice roll
>Sigma walking out of the Decontamination roomwithout an eye and no arms.
>Eric blowing away Q
"This is the worst Zero Escape game" my ass. So many good moments so far.
>>343247110
I want to kiss that Phi
>>343247069
>If you type Sean, Eric says "I knew you did it"
That honestly blew my mind. At first I thought Uchi had fucked up or something since as far as I knew,Ericwasn't supposed to know that.
>>343247069I knew shit was up when it asked me for Q's real name but Sean was a valid answer.
>>343247171
Force Quit Box fragments are the very last thing you're meant to do in the game. Complete every other path first.
>>343247171blue bird
>>343247171
Go back to theAB game
>>343247138
That was stupid as fuck, they could easily get him on kidnapping and assault charges
>>343247171
Go to the !
>>343247171
Littlerally theres a exclamation mark on the red section with 3 endings. Thats where you go next
Finally beat it, loved it only thing that still bugs me is pic related, wasn't there another way to create that possibility?
>>343247306
Well, we don't even know ifCarlos shoots him. I'd guess he doesn't, maybe they still try and bring him to justice even though they have no solid evidence of his connection to Free the Soul.
>>343247208>Q removing his helmet
Probably one of the few video game moments that made me legitimately uncomfortable
>>343247208
>X-passes are confined to their respective histories
and of course
>BUT YOU PICKED BETRAY LAST TIME
>>343247427
Saying fucking zero made it would have been more believable
>>343246713Did it already. I made it up to where the events of VLR are about to take place and Akane says she'll have to restart her plans. After that, I had no leads where to go to next.
>mfw boner everytime phi
>mfw boner everytime Mira
>>343247314
>>343247325
I didBetray and Ally, I tried Ally again thinking it would get me the third but no luck. Is it a RNG thing?
>>343247606
You go to it and you'll find out what to do
So after getting impatient with the Amazon/Aksys shit I decided that the watch is a piece of plastic shit and I don't need it, so I canceled my order and bought the game digitally. I feel like a weight was lifted off my shoulders,and now I missed out on all 3 fucking watches.
Finally finished. Spoiler free review.
It was an amazing close to the series, even if it didn't go the way I expected it. I can see why some people find the ending disappointing though, and there are unanswered questions--ones that may never be answered. Puzzles were retty good, nothing that caused me to lose my wits though I did get stuck occasionally.
However, VLR and 999 -are- superior games. This game never quite matches their atmosphere. VLR's ending was so amazing, though, I can never forget it. This one maybe plays it...too safe?
I'm (not) glad it's over.
>diana's JP voice
I can't stand it, she's way to gentle.
It is awesome how you can change voices on the fly though
>>343247602
For a game with such low level animations, they really nailed miras boob physics
>mfw all those times you could type Dog and get a respond
>Phi still manages tojump ridiculously high to kick the villain to the ground despite not being on the moon
Is she actually Superman/Batman/etc?
>>343247606
You need to finish every other fragment and come back!
>>343247140
I think you need to view that middle locked fragment, the one under D Team Suppression. I don't remember how I unlocked it, but it came after I ran through each team's fragments.
Make sure you've viewed every fragment's branches that aren't locked or obviously require a Decision answer that you don't know.
>>343247658
>ones that may never be answered.
uchikoshi will probably answer them in a q/a
>>343247759
Shes pretty much a metahuman, The pod already extends peoples lifespan
>>343247112FUCK of course Junpei betrays me
So I'm stupid so can anyone explainhow many times was zero q referenced by other characters? aside from when eric does it of course I caught that one before you're shown the flashback. Why was he not part of the game score?
>>343247759Superior genetics caused by parents' extreme living conditions. Brother can walk upright at fucking 124 too
>>343247069
Speaking of foreshadowing though.
There's that part whereYou press the button in the decontamination roomand Q starts talking aboutGoing through the same scenario over and over again
>>343247876get rekt junpei
>>343247759
>Is she actually Superman/Batman/etc?
Shes probably ramen desu
>you get post credits reports on C and Q team
>nothing on D team
>>343247909In the timeline where Q-Team is executed, Carlos is especially distraught about Q's death, talking about how he probably didn't even see or hear it coming.
>>343248000
My biggest gripe with the game desu
How do you tinker around with the settings in the pirated PC version without the laucher? Game works but I got an error when opening launcher
>>343248085
by buying the fucking game
>>343248128
I'm a punished Amazonfag. Sorry.
I'm still buying it.
>>343247876
There's a Japanese saying you know...
あなたが出会うすべての人が泥棒であると仮定
:^)
Is Akanethe Clover of this game? Every time Junpei dies she goes yandere on Carlos
What's your playtime after beating it? 22 hours here
I got stuck for really fucking reasons in some puzzles because I overthought a bunch of shit e.g. didn't check those sunglasses and tried to find numbers that would multiply to the numbers needed for the transportation generator rather than just fucking typing it
>no final puzzle room in the White Lounge that combines all the annoying puzzles into a one buttfuck hard escape
I was expecting the block shifting from the Pod Room and the lotus blooming from the Healing Room to come back and give me an aneurysm.
>>343248206
Yes, and I fucking love it>That fucking fire extinguisher scene
Literally said "what the fuck" out loud when i saw it
>>343248206It's gap moe
>>343248192
Sounds like something Dio would say
>>343248353
23 hours
Laser puzzle harder puzzle desu
>>343248206
Pretty much, yeah.
She lets thebombgo off and in one of the endings sheconfirms that she sets up the AB game
>>343248353
20 hours 10 minutes
>>343244515
You need to shoot the 4th person in the room
>>343248353
23~ hours
Brother wants to rule the world with a new race of humans, is well versed in genetics, and happens to be voiced by DC Douglas doing nearly the same voice
>>343247876
There's a Japanese saying you know...pssh... nothing personnel...
:^)
>>343248353
24 hours here
Got stuck on a few puzzles when I didn't realize there were clues hidden
Spent nearly an hour converting numbers from base 13 to base ten because I couldn't figure out the converter, and I had to brute force the fetus puzzle
>>343248353
22 hours 21 minutes.
Im still wondering how clover and egyptian tit lady comeback to their time
>>343244545
Check all the story locks. It's the ending to the secret of the Lounge shenanigans.
>>343248546
How long did you guys take to beat VLR?
>>343248353
29 hours
>>343248630
I would tell you but the save for it is gone
So did you guys read the prologue yet?
>>343248546
>hmm maybe those pills we picked up correspond to the images on the computer
I get it I'm an idiot, at least there's only 24 possible combo's.
>>343248641
Literally how that long?
>>343248630
longer than VLR
>>343248598In the timeline that leads to VLR, Akane knows of and has used the Transporter, so she just has Crash Keys take it from the shelter and she can eventually send Alice and Clover back with it. It's like Schrodinger's Cat because you don't know if their consciousnesses went with the bodies recreated in the past or remained with the originals in the present until you observe them.
>>343248630
About 40 i think
>>343248353
35
I couldn't figure out how to get the other fragments to pop up.
Then I realized I didn't do the beginning vote for one of the teams
Also I kept getting stuck on puzzles and quiting them thinking I needed to get clues from other puzzles, and trying to piece together the story
>>343248630
29ish hours
>>343248724
>>343248378
I actually made a post on twitter about it like "Akane, honey, you can stop now. I think he's dead."
>>343248774
longer than ZTD*
fuck
>>343247468Carlos shoots him. You're viewing the world from the perspective of Delta and his cameras, and it stops because he got shot in the head.At least, I like to believe that, just because it adds an extra layer of fridge brilliance to the controversial ending
>>343248762
Left my 3DS in sleep mode a few times to eat and take a break from puzzles I got stuck on like Biolab and Healing Room probably caused playtime to go up
My first lock opens up and it's the VLR ending.
>mfw that shitposter sayingphi was diana's daughter was right
>>343247505
But you could tell the X-Passes wouldn't work because they changed from timeline to timeline
>>343247790I'm trying but the routes under Supression and Get Back aren't triggering. It feels like I'm missing something but I don't know what.
>>343248980
>Q
>>343248961
I hated he was right mostly because the second she said her hair color I immediately thought about his posts
>>343249048
>>343249097Trying not to spoil, anons. C'mon.
>yfwUchikoshi used Back to the Future as one of his real life plot analogies
>download the PC version since my copy is stuck in amazon hell
>it crashes on startup every time
Nice port
>>343249008I thought they would work because as far as I knew at that point the X-passes only changed depending on which team got executed. Didn't they shift to the history where they got all 1s in the dice roll?
>>343245371
The rumor began when Phi told Diana and Sigma that she loved them and was willing to get incinerated for them.I am pleasantly surprised to realize the timeline in which Phi gets incinerated is also the one where Diana gives birth to her
Most important unanswered question:is Carlos really a siscon?
>>343249176
Works on my machine :^)
Get a fucking better GPU.
>>343249232no_
>THE COIN TOSS WAS SET UP AS AN ESCAPE ROUTE FROM THE SHELTER
UCHIKOSHI YOU FUCKING MADMAN
>>343249289
>Get a fucking better GPU.
I can't until better ones come out
>>343248957
Wait,How do Junpei and Akane get to the VLR timeline if they were executed?
I just started and voted for Q-team. I can't continue down this storyline?
>>343245403
>scene/fragment
It wasn't a single fragment, but this chain of events
Just beat the game
So uhdid the game seriously end on a fucking cliffhanger out in the desert after revealing absolutely nothing about Kyle/??? and various other plot threads? Did I miss some post actual-credits stuff or was this fucking it? Wasn't this going to be THE finale to the franchise that would resolve fucking everything?
>>343249221
People have been theorizing this since VLR.It became especially prominent after Uchikoshi said there's a reason why Sigma and Phi couldn't be a romantic couple in the Q&A.
>>343248787Spray the lockers
>>343249203
Yeah. I think you're right, but I still saw it coming because they changed, despite the error.
Anyone has the Punished junpei edit? after playing this game that edit could not be any more spot on
>>343249374
Keep playing. Like, a lot.
>>343249375
Didn't you listen to Zero? All 3 teams have to vote
>>343249023
You will activate them via the Team Selects when they're available. The triggers for the unlocks aren't specifically known quite yet- just go back to the fragments without the bold outline (placed around the the fragments after you've completed them) and do what you can.
>>343249405
Kyle is Sigma's clone, what did you need to know?
>>343249375
>I can't continue down this storyline?
you'll eventually see all choices in the game no matter what, don't worry. Also you should try mixing it up, don't just do one team all at once.
>>343245959
>The Carlos and Junpei drunk on life who just rolled 3 1s in a row got gunned down anyways.
>The Akane who rolled 3 1s was forced to a timeline where she has to see them all dead.
>mfw carlos wasn'tevil after all
>mfw it wasn't all a ruse
I got rused by thinking it was ruse
>>343249582
>don't just do one team all at once
Damn this is exactly what I want to do
>>343249374
Because of time travel shenanigans, they shift out of one timeline and go into another where they haveThose red and black robes
>>343249397
Loved this part.
And the part where they try explaining SHIFTing and Junpei just says "The fuck are you going on about?"
>>343249405
Load up your save and read the new files.
>>343246652
Of course. Also every shower button. It was amazing doing the Diana shower first because I could see her absolute despair over it while I thought to myself "I just Blick Winkel'd the shit out of you, Diana".
>>343249539But the actual Sigma is in that timeline and we did not see a second Sigma besides the one that transported with Diana
>>343249523
But I've bolded every one I had available exceptQ teams force boxbecause at this point, I don't have enough info.
I have one more locked fragment for both C and D while Q has 3 locked fragments
>>343249761
>"I just Blick Winkel'd the shit out of you, Diana".you mean I just delta'd the shit out of you
Q did nothing wrong
Eric did everything wrong
Seeing as the game was a hit, when can we expect a 4th game?
will people never shut the fuck up about kyle? just accept that uchikoshi is a hack who forgot about a plot devices and move on.
>>343249938
>Seeing as the game was a hit
Where did you see the sales numbers?
>>343249910
It was during those glorious moments where I thought I was still "???".
>>343249938
>a hit
Give it a month
>>343249998
It's in top sellers on steam. I assume he takes that as evidence,
Loved it, two things that didn't sit well were the ayy lmaos and that part at the end when they argue about shifting despite the fact they been doing that shit for the whole game. Shit Carlos alone killed more Carlos than anyone else
>>343248980
>>343248353
did it in 22 hours. seems to be the average
>>343249405
You get like 6 notes that explain what happens with Akane and Junpei, Eric and Mira, and Carlos and Imouto.
No, you don't get to know if 67 year old Sigma gets to live on a second lifetime or if a younger Sigma returns to his body, committed to Diana and now having the responsibility of beating up her Ex-Husband.
How isSHIFTING different from jumping?
>>343250182
>Q ExpressionsThat ain't Q
>Finally beat the game
fuck it i'm just gonna play the ending whereSean shoots Delta in the chestover and over again
>>343250178
>when they argue about shifting despite the fact they been doing that shit for the whole game
They were shifting into timelines were their counterselfs were already fucked
A bit different than killing the versions of themselfs who are happy that they escaped
>>343250226
>No, you don't get to know if 67 year old Sigma gets to live on a second lifetime or if a younger Sigma returns to his body, committed to Diana and now having the responsibility of beating up her Ex-Husband.
The way I see is that young sigma has to live the cycle after he goes through hell for 45 years he finally gets a chance to relive his life
>>343250323
Shifting is Jumping
>>343250327Not spoiling that.
>>343250349
yeah anon, he gets his years back in the true end!
>mfw Diana asks Sigmato sleep with her
>it actually happens
>>343250182
>>343250178That stupid alien McGuffin pretty much ruined the game for me. It felt like such a cheap cop out to explain all the crazy shit. It just makes me angry thinking about it.
Ok I'm gonna fucking murder someone what is thesecond passwordfor D team's quit box FUCK and yes I got the hope of two ending and I still don't fucking get it right
>>343250531
The camera shot of their hands was a fucking terminator homage too!
>>343249906
Do you happen to have all four Execution options filled in? They're off on their own at the top of the Flow. I had to replay a couple of the decisions to get them even though all the permutations seemed available.
>>343250349
I am pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed Old Sigma.
I thought he was gonna be a cold genius Zero, but he was very calm, likeable, his dynamics with Phi were amazingheartwarming after the reveal, even.. Hell he even came off as a big softie on many routes.
>>343250583Blue Bird or Music Box. Take your pick.
>>343250583blue bird
>>343250548
Nice.
>>343250531YOU DONT HAVE THE BALLS DO YOU
