What went wrong?
They went for the persona crowd
>>343212205
announced it too early
>>343212205
gameplay is SMT with weapon triangle
rather than FE Strategy with SMT characters
We were promised SMT x Fire Emblem
Instead we got idolshit
>>343212794
It's not even a weapon triangle though, it's just multiple Phys types like Persona 3 had.
>>343212794
So Devil Survivor?
>>343212205
Naming the game as SMT X FE. If it wasn't for that all the edgy babies crying wouldn't be an issue.
>>343212205
Not censored enough.
>>343212932
Persona Q does it too.
>even the japanese didn't want this shit.
To the idiots actually dumb enough to buy this, you are eating the shitty table scraps not even the japanese wanted, and that is after it was put through the NOA blender to boot.
>>343213076
No
>>343212205
Not being SMT X FE
>>343213215
Persona Q has great dungeons tho.
>After this, initial designs were scrapped and Atlus started over making a JRPG in their own company style. It--like the Persona games--would be set in present day Japan and incorporate the more fantastical Fire Emblem elements as foreign presences from an alternate world, much like Shin Megami Tensei's demons.
>"If you're going to be very strict about it, it is a Shin Megami Tensei game, but it's only similar to it, it's not exactly like Shin Megami Tensei," Takada explained. "But we put Fire Emblem elements into that kind of framework."
>Yamagami and Takada also explained why the game is so heavy on Japanese pop idol culture and why so many characters are shown singing.
>"This is why the characters are all entertainers: in Japan, similar to Greek mythology, there's the idea of the gods being connected to the arts," Takada said. "It's a shamanistic element that's been interpreted by Atlus. The idea is, Japanese priestesses would dance and the dancing would bring them closer to the gods. We wanted to spin this in an Atlus way, so all the characters in the game have some connection to the arts, and that connection and their ability to express themselves attracts the Mirages to them. People who are good at singing or dancing or acting have really strong bonds with Mirages."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-fire-emblem-shin-megami-tensei-crossover-is-pe/1100-6428306/
>>343213932
You forgot to include the most important part.
>Initially the companies began building a turn-based strategy game in the style of previous Fire Emblem games.
>>343212205
Nothing. It is a great game that clearly takes a lot from both series.
>>343214185
fuck
>>343214461
yeah 1% of FE, 1% of SMT and 98% of Persona
>>343214956
Persona fags ruined jrpgs.
>>343214185
It would have turned into another Awakening anyways. It was always going to be persona or FE:A. Awakening was more garbage than persona so they went with persona.
>>343215091
It's the Devil Survivor team that worked on this though, people with experience in SRPGs. A DeSu/FE hybrid would have been great.
>>343212205
Nothing went right or wrong, cuz that game never got made.
>>343214956
No, more like 40% FE, 40% SMT, 20% Persona. You clearly haven't played the game. That or you haven't played many FE or SMT games.
>>343215563
Where the fuck is the SMT outside of the Strange Journey combat system that nobody liked?
>>343215563
All the FE stuff in #FE is superficial at best. The only big thing from SMT is the combat.
It just feels like some random game that's riding on the brand recognition of two other franchises.
>>343215563
>More SMT than Persona
What went so RIGHT.
SMT x Idols is fucking awesome.
>>343215995
We made up a GREAT GAME in our heads. A game that we DESERVED.
Those fuckers had the gall to make a DIFFERENT GAME!
F*CK SHITENDO.
>>343212205
when they first announced this, all i was hoping for was Namco x Capcom but with demi fiend and marth, that kinda shit
i would've bought that in a heartbeat. i would still gladly buy NxC if they would fucking bother to give it to us. Tatsunoko vs Capcom sold incredibly well despite half its roster being niche Literal Whos to the West, but that doesn't mean anything to them i guess
The problem with a SMT x FE crossover from the beginning was that people were expecting it to be a tactical RPG, except that DeSu has that covered and pretty much to perfection as well. There was nothing really they could've added to that other than adding references, I guess. It was a dumb idea from the very beginning. They should've sought to crossover with a different series.
>Could've gotten edgy game for the Nocturne crowd
>Got a genki as fuck idol game instead
Based.
>bombed in Japan
>selling incredibly well in the west
I guess /v/ was wrong again. This game is currently outselling Ouverwatch in my local game stores.
>>343216804
>selling incredibly well in the west
[citation needed]
>>343216970
I just gave it you mong, but if that's not enough then here's something else:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/tokyo_mirage_sessions_fe_secures_top_20_place_in_uk_charts
Keep in mind that even Xenoblade Chronicles X didn't get as high up the chart as #FE did.
>>343217251
>Selling better than Xenoblade X in the UK means its selling incredibly well in the west
>Being this retarded
>>343217430
>selling well in Britain
>outselling Blizzard's newest game in my country
Yeah, it's selling really fucking good. I haven't looked at how well it's doing in other countries but I doubt it's any different. Japan just has shit taste in vidya these days.
>>343216285
Hitoshi Yamagami: At the initial planning stage, we were trying to create an SLG (strategy simulation game). However, when we tried to create a strategy simulation game with characters from FE, it ended up looking just like the original FE, and it was hard to differentiate it. So six months into development, we changed direction, based on our suggestion to "think of an RPG that capitalizes on the strengths of Atlus". That is how the game system was achieved.
Seems like Atlus agrees with you
>>343217613
Hasn't Overwatch been out for a month? And stop acting as if sales are any indication of quality.
>>343218038
>And stop acting as if sales are any indication of quality.
The reply chain is talking about sales retard.
>>343218270
Then why bring up Japan's taste in vidya?
this crossover idea was dumb as fuck and I honestly don't even understand what people expected from it. the only successful crossover series are super robot wars and whatever vs capcom games. unlike srw, fire emblem and smt don't have anything at all in common in terms of themes or setting or characters, and a fighitng game would be out of expertise area for either developer. what exactly did people expect from this?
>>343219343
I was expecting a JRPG where an SMT apocalypse happens in a Fire Emblem world
>>343219343
>what exactly did people expect
Majin Tensei 3
>>343219343
Fire Emblem characters being transported to Tokyo and fighting demons with SMT characters. Not that hard to believe.
>>343219343
Devil Survivor gameplay with characters from both franchises. Most crossovers just exist as pandering to the fans. The plots are campy, and the settings don't have to make too much sense. As long as the gameplay is solid and the characterization isn't fucked people will be happy. The problem with #FE is that it panders to fans of neither franchise in favor of trying to get in on idolshits.
>>343212991
Devil Survivor 1 and 2 are better srpgs than any FE after FE5 anyway.
>>343212205
Pandering to sexually frustrated neckbeards.
>>343212484
Even persona had more dignity than this shit.
The problem is they went for fucking idol trash. Even a dumb persona game with fire emblems as personas would be fine but they added all the dumb idol shit for no reason.
>>343216139
autism
>>343219461
>>343219843
>>343220345
but how do you combine it? super robot wars works because you just have everyone team up to fight bad guys from jupiter and it pretty much works for everyone's setting. fire emblem is medieval fantasy where the bad guys are wizards and dragons and shit. smt is fedoracore modern fantasy where the bad guy is god.
>>343212205
Fire Emblem in this case. The success of Awakening with the casual crowd combined with the fact that Atlus somehow had no fucking idea of what to do with this gameDEVIL SURVIVOR YOU IGNORANT FUCKS, led them to basically copy Nintendo's Awakening strategy and attempt to casualize it for mass market appeal. Hell, anyone even remotely familiar with moonland culture knows how big idols are over there, and it's clear from the game that the devs thought that it'd be huge with the kind of people into them. That, combined with slow gameplay, poor story, and an utter lack of communication during development process that led to both the SMT and FE fanbases to turn on it after they found out that it was going to be about idolrus instead of turn-based strategic warfare with the overall tones and difficulty of SMT. If they'd given the fanbases time to acclimate to the direction they'd gone with it, it probably wouldn't have gotten quite as negative a reception as it did, or at least not as intense.
Oh, I should also mention that Atlus's newer people are complete waifufags. This might have something to do with how #FE came about, but I'm not sure.
>>343224613
>fire emblem is medieval fantasy where the bad guys are wizards and dragons and shit.
You forgot to mention evil kings in the list of generic FE bad guys.
>smt is fedoracore modern fantasy where the bad guy is god
What does fedoracore even mean? Besides, there aren't really any good guys in SMT, mostly shades of gray and whatever ideal suits your vision the most. YHVH is basically in his Old Testament form, which if you're familiar with the material, is a pretty big dick. In addition, I seem to recall that his existence itself is corrupted in some way, but this may just be bullshit that I heard and took as fact.
>>343226060
you're missing the point. you can't just have chrom appear in tokyo and start summoning demons to fight god. in a crossover you have to respect the themes of both series. the best they could have done was a fire emblem jrpg with smt demons as enemies, but then smtfags would cry anyway because they only like the series because of the edgy aesthetic.
>>343212932
But it doesn't work like a triangle in P3, where one is always weak to the other and resists another. Also, there aren't elemental physical attacks in any Megaten game, I'm pretty sure. Check your facts, whore.
>>343226317
The most sensible thing to do would to have had SMT protags and demons in the FE setting. That'd probably mesh better than having FE characters in the SMT settings.
Though it wouldn't be as fun. And you could always just have SMT characters accidentally summon the FE characters or something. It could definitely work.
>>343226317
>you're missing the point. you can't just have chrom appear in tokyo and start summoning demons to fight god.
But why not? Besides, it doesn't even have to be any established FE characters if that's such a hangup for you. Besides, all that's generally required for demon summoning in the SMT series is a strong will, and I'd be hard pressed to find any major FE characters that don't fit that requirement.
>in a crossover you have to respect the themes of both series.
Generally, yes.
>the best they could have done was a fire emblem jrpg with smt demons as enemies
I can think of a hundred other ways they could have gone about this. Arguing about what best is in this context is pointless though, since it's all
>opinions
>but then smtfags would cry anyway because they only like the series because of the edgy aesthetic.
I gotta know, have you ever played, let alone beaten, a SMT game? Hell, let's go MT in general. I'd love to hear your answer.
Who here hyped as fuck for persona?!
>>343227426
>But why not?
in the fire emblem universe people who summon demons are always villains. why does this even need to be explained? the fedoracore aesthetic of smt doesn't mesh with the fire emblem setting, and smt fans would cry if you made a game without it.
>>343227901
Ah, you're just baiting, my bad.
>>343227901
>the fedoracore aesthetic
So you've never actually played SMT then I take it?
>>343212205
People being butthurt it wasn't FE7 X Nocturne
Someone have not play the game and is shiting on it
>/g/ the movie: the game
Inb4 the kiddish argument: "you dont have to taste it to know is shit"
>>343213503
>>343212205
Thing is, I'm actually developing a game like this for PC and mobile.
It's more like Sengoku Rance x FE, rather than SMT, but the tone is more gritty like Berserk, and there are Lovecraftian demons and stuff.
Also, all the units and stuff are based off real and legendary figures from History, like Arthur, Ragnar, Vlad, Isabelle, Charlemagne, etc...
Would /v/ play?
>>343229023
>It's more like Sengoku Rance
>Also, all the units and stuff are based off real and legendary figures from History, like Arthur, Ragnar, Vlad, Isabelle, Charlemagne, etc...
Anon are you baiting me
>>343229023
Oh yeah, the battles are more chess-like than FE, and require actual tactics. I'm an avid chess player, but the macro stuff and such is nearly identical to Race/Risk in many ways.
>>343229023
I'd play any game if it's good enough. The question is if you're confident in your game design and gameplay.
>>343229210
That doesn't seem like its got a gritty Berserk tone set in Medieval Europe to me.
Also, I heard ES was trash, never played it myself though. Also, what we're working on isnt a porn game.
>>343228090
>>343228113
>hate on persona because the characters are students and personas aren't demons
>not fedoracore
>>343227901
>fedoracore
you need to go back . to reddit
>doesn't like both SMT and Persona
lmao fags
>>343229501
Have I mentioned Persona a single time in any of my posts? Come on anon, bait better.
>>343212205
It wasn't Soul Calibur x Fire Emblem
Literally all they needed to do was take SCIII's conquest mode, expand on it, add some fire emblem characters and bam.
>>343229721
Persona 3 and 4 are trash tho.
>>343212205
Nothing, game is pretty good with some minimal technical problems
>>343212205
IdolsTODOKETE
>>343229363
Game design wise, yeah. If you like Rance and FE, I think people will love it. Artwise, yeah, since I'm an artfag. Writing wise, yeah, since my mate is a good writer.
Programming wise... well, that's up to my brother. Rance is a fairly simple game programming wise, but the chips on whether we go through with this or not fall on his abilities. He's the youngest if the group and wants to get into coding fir game design. So while it was my idea, I've delegated the whole thing to him.
I'm fairly good at designing games and thinking up mechanics, and when it cones to strategy, I've been playing chess since I was 5. My mate is also good, and since the tactics part is heavily influenced by that, it should be fine.
>>343212205
Quite literally fucking EVERYTHING
How did they fuck up as hard as they did?!?!
>>343212205
Persona x Awakening
>>343229972
nah
>make up a new Fire Emblem kingdom
>have their enemies gain the power to summon SMT demons and invade
>heroes choose to use that power themselves to defend their home country
>some cameos or references to characters from both series if you don't want to completely include them
There, that's a simple enough way to combine them both without going full Super Robot Wars about it.
>>343212205
Honestly?
Outside the whole
>CENSORSHIP AR:LKAJDFO)PWEJRKOSJDFPIHpo0hj
thing...
Not a whole lot.
The game is solid as fuck. The most fun I've had with a JRPG in a good long time.
The biggest problem was just mitigating expectations. I'm pretty sure everyone expected moving demons around in grid-based combat, and the game is certainly not that.
But if you can get around that the game is more Persona With Minor Fire Emblem Elements and not "Fire Emblem with SMT Characters", the game's actually pretty great
>>343230437
Not really. The Otaku pandering idolshit really puts me off, and doesn't interest me at all. I don't care how "good" weebs claim the game is. I know we're in a WiiU drought, and any game that comes out gets bloated praise as well.
There are other really good games that Id rather be playing.
>>343230437
This is the truth, just look at the posts here talking of how the game should have been done, retards never realised the teaser trailer said literally nothing but they kept thinking their own made up concept.
>>343230195
They obviously thought it would be more profitable to chase after the persona waifu fags
>>343212205
>advertise smt x fe
>final product has very little to do with either
butchered censorship aside it was doomed from the start, it didn't appeal to fans of either fanbase.
>>343230032
>Programming wise... well, that's up to my brother. Rance is a fairly simple game programming wise, but the chips on whether we go through with this or not fall on his abilities. He's the youngest if the group and wants to get into coding fir game design. So while it was my idea, I've delegated the whole thing to him.
Your brother may or may not want to hear this, but this is what I'd do if I were in your shoes. Find yourselves a co-programmer, preferably a more experienced one. Granted, if this was an option I imagine you would have taken it already, but I think it's still worth noting. Having someone else to help him learn the ropes and look over his coding for major bugs would probably help him tremendously.
As it is right now, it sounds like he's both the weakest link AND the most important member of the team right now. After all, great designs don't matter when they're unable to be executed competently. If you have faith in his passion for the project and his willingness and capability to learn, then all is well. But, and I may be reading too much into this, but it sounds as if you're worried about him being able to come through when he needs to. If that is the case, I'd suggest to bring it up with him if you haven't.
>>343230925
What exactly is FE and SMT to you then? Because they have a combined total of 20+ games between the two franchises, so you will have to tell me which of the 20+ game it doesn't similarities to.
>>343231441
it's easier to compare which games it is similar to, which is none of them
>>343232053
This is a slow thread, we have time. I'm sure you can go through the list of games and tell me how none of the 20+ game of the two franchises this game has no similarities to.
>>343230931
He's 18, but he is very passionate. It'll all be better once he moves outta tge house and comes live with me and my mate.
Neither of us are fully invested in the project because despite his passion, we know nothing of his programming skills, plus, me and my mate have other ideas we wanna do with our combined skills.
I have looked into the idea of seeking co programmers, and I know some people through modding communities, but I trust none of them as much as my brother, plus, I don't expect other people to get invested in the idea like we have.
More than anything, Ive given it to my brother cause it's what he wants to learn, so Itll be s neat little simple project to help him learn the necessary skills to follow his dreams, but I'm also not EXPECTING anything to come to fruition since itd be putting too much pressure on him.
Instead, I'll let him work at his own pace while guiding him, and me and Che can work on our comics. Once it starts coming together, then well take it more seriously.
I've written lot's of design docs and passed them onto both, and it's a thing that's in tge air for now, but it might come to fruition as a solid project in a couple years. I just wanna give my bro a chance to learn his shit without putting too much pressure on him. Instead, I wanna inspire him to do great things.
>>343230801
When you claim you're crossing over SMT and FE Persona:Idolshit edition is the last thing on everyone's minds
>>343226467
>Also, there aren't elemental physical attacks in any Megaten game
Are you retarded? What is Nocturne?
>>343231441
>What exactly is FE and SMT to you then? Because they have a combined total of 20+ games between the two franchises, so you will have to tell me which of the 20+ game it doesn't similarities to.
Not that anon, but you're trying to bait out a particular response with this post, which is probably going to look something like "#FE is just weeb pandering and nothing like either series", which is probably going to be posted in the time it takes for me to write this. At the same time, you're insinuating that it is given that you (incorrectly) mentioned that they have a total of 20+ games between FE and SMT. There's actually 19, 14 of which are numbered FE games (Fates is 14), and 5 of which are mainline SMT games (4 numbered + Apocalypse), which is what the community at large was thinking of when #FE was first announced. It's not exactly an unreasonable assumption either, given characters from mainline SMT were used in the announcement trailer for the game.
Actually, fuck it. I was going to go on a whole spiel about the history of FE and its general thematic elements, but it's pointless to argue something that's been argued time and time again against someone who's probably baiting.
>>343232970
And when people say SMT, it doesn't automatically mean Nocturne. Hell, not every crossover game need to use the system of the franchises being used. Look at Project X-Zone.
If they had said Nocturne or specify which of the SMT franchise they were using, you might have a point. But they didn't. All they showed was SMT and FE, both of which has a large amount of games within their respective franchises.
>>343233354
Not really baiting as I'm just pointing out the two franchises have a rather large variety of games. No one, especially the developers, had said it was Nocturne and that it was a darkgrim FE-esqe SRPG. All they said was it was a crossover. It was the gamers themselves that built it up as such despite having zero information. People are blaming them for misrepresenting a game that they have given zero information about.
>>343224664
>Hell, anyone even remotely familiar with moonland culture knows how big idols are over there
Not anymore. It's a dying industry. There's only a handful of famous idols, who still have large fanbases granted, but it's not like there's a ton of idols anymore. Shit like Babymetal is practically dominating the whole scene and frankly lot of people are getting tired with the stagnation.
>>343232587
>More than anything, Ive given it to my brother cause it's what he wants to learn, so Itll be s neat little simple project to help him learn the necessary skills to follow his dreams, but I'm also not EXPECTING anything to come to fruition since itd be putting too much pressure on him.
Fair enough anon, if you're not expecting anything concrete for a good while then you're probably fine as-is.
>>343233826
CROSSOVER BETWEEN BERSERK AND EVANGELION
IDOLSHIT ANIME
Do you realize how retarded you sound? Nobody could ever in their wildest dreams expect the cumturd that is #FE, not even japanese people liked it, even though they are the ones that love idols and shit.
>>343233906
>Dat delusion
Idolshit is still going on strong in Japan. I have no idea where you're getting your misinformation from.
>>343233906
Nigga there's 4 incredibly long running idol series running right now
Three of them have popular arcade machines
>>343232587
if he's never programmed in his life, he's going to have a hard time man.
unless you're using something like unity or gamemaker, then I can see him getting the ropes in time.
I'm currently doing CS in uni and man, shit takes time and a lot of practice to get, the deeper you go the more you understand you know nothing about shit.
>>343234009
Berserk has gone full Harry Potter, anon, not to mention the mangaka's obsession with Idolmaster. And Evangelion has multiple VN and the Shinji Raising Project games. It can go full IDOLSHIT on us and I would not be surprised.
>>343233826
>People are blaming them for misrepresenting a game that they have given zero information about.
I mentioned that a bit back >>343224664 actually. It's still a failure on the devs part to not clear the air on such a matter. I mean, hell, isn't information control the number one rule of PR?
>>343234443
The problem was that they announced the game too early. They literally had nothing, not even a faint concept of what the game would be like when they announced the existence of this project. Then they went silent for years and people started to assume that it was vaporware. They made every mistake possible when it came to announcing a new title. The dumb promotional video that splashed all the SMT protagonists did not help at all. I can't believe how much of a rookie fuck up the whole thing was.
>>343234689
Yeah, I won't deny this. Pretty much everything you said is right.
>>343234238
I asked in the gamedev general what would be best for this project, and most people said Game maker. My brother knows a bit of stuff, Abd he's learned basic level coding on his own. He understands how deep the rabbit hole goes, as do I, so since he's only 18 I'm using this more to motivate him than anything. Same as my desire to write comics has pushed me to where I am now artistically, I'm sure this will do the same for him. I have faith in him though, that in 2 to 3 years time he'll have a solid enough skillet to where we can get things going more seriously.
In the meantime, like I said, Ill focus on my other projects.
I just felt like mentioning ITT since this game idea has been rummaging in my head all week, and it's quite exciting.
>>343233520
HAve you looked at the first trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK5-EIzDtKo
Those are mainline SMT characters.
>>343235167
Can't go wrong with Game Maker. It's powerful enough to make great games with that aren't so embarrassing that you couldn't sell them commercially (Hyper Light Drifter, for example, was made with Game Maker). You still need to know some coding and theory of it, but the program does a lot of heavy lifting by itself as well to lessen the load.
>>343212205
Nothing
>>343219631
>translation patches literally never ever
>for fucking snes games with low amount of text
>you will never play one of the two megumi transgay games that actualy allow you to be any of the 9 alignments instead of being stuck as shitty default LNC
>>343224613
Actually it's pretty easy.
Take the game we got, remove the entertainment industry focus, change the setting to warring factions in a cyberpunk Tokyo using the power of Mirages and bam, a game /v/ wouldn't bitch about.
>>343212205
>Removed SMT
>Removed FE
>Add Jpop
>>343236809
Change the gameplay from being persona with combos instead of one more and I'm sold
>>343219343
I was expecting something like Devil Survivor, like Fire Emblem characters fighting with Demons and shit, like the Fire Emblem world gets invaded by demons a la Strange Journey and they have to defend their realm.
Combat could be like FFT or even like Devil Survivor, a mix of FE and SMT.
It would have been so cool.
>>343237360
Session system is actually pretty cool.
Enemies can wipe you in one turn if they trigger it.
Works much better than alignment co-op.
>>343236809
>turn it into edgy garbage like smt iv 2
nah. I prefer idols.
You'll just have to keep crying that not every game in the world is made for you
>If you want an SRPG, go play Fire Emblem
This sounds just as bad as Intelligent System's excuse for fucking Paper Mario.
>If you want a Mario RPG, go play Mario and Luigi
So, what makes this Persona?
>No social links
>No dating
>No high school life sim
>No personas
I know the characters are generic high schoolers but besides that, what's so Persona about this game?
>>343238498
Hardly anything because this game couldn't even do that right.
>>343237797
Nigger, I have the game here in fucking hands, my save is only up to the prologue because I was a dumbass and forgot to save before fighting the Savage fucker that shows up in 106.
I just gave an idea for a game most of the fanbase for both series wouldn't bitch about.
>>343238498
Revelations, Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment didn't have the first three either.
>>343238335
>If you want an SRPG, go play Devil Survivor
FTFY
>>343237449
99% sure this is what just about everyone was expecting to happen
why didnt they just fucking do this?
>>343233006
Not him but does Nocturne have elemental physical attacks? I thought Freikugel being Almighty was the only one.
>>343212205
It turned out to be idol shit.
Also its not Pokemon X SMT for maximum fedora tipping.
>>343238669
>I have the game here in fucking hands
>buying censored shit
cuck
>>343212794
But then IntSys would have to make it
>>343239202
>buy game
>apply uncensor patch
Get with the times, grandpa
>>343212205
Anime pop idol bullshit
>>343238498
>Thinks Persona 3 and 4 are the only Persona games
>>343212205
Apparently it was originally going to be like devil survivor, until intelligent systems was like WE COULD MAKE THIS OURSELVES DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, hence idolpersona
>>343238498
>No social links
>No dating
>No high school life sim
Sounds like a good game.
Imagine that the first teaser never happened and instead the first thing we got was the actual trailer, how would have been your reactions?
>>343241182
Probably similar reactions
>Why the fuck didn't they call it Persona X FE?
>>343240764
Didn't they say at one point a tower defense idea was thrown around?
>>343239202
>2016 give a shit about m-muh sensors
>i just want to be a fucking degenerate and Jack off to uncovered lolli
>>343241941
They are actually attacking lewd of anything these days.
Its probably why bad games like the Neptunias and Atelier are getting more dick riders. Doesn't help that western developers are trying too hard to "pander" so they can be considered art.
>>343241941
>16-18 year olds
>lolis
Platinum Retard.
At least this guy is coming to fill up our SMT necessities.
>>343241941
thats bait senpai
>>343242357
>literally only neutral paths
Into the ICBM it goes
>Just recently finished Hashtag FE
>Shit was actually really fun, although the final boss is really, really easy (That second to last boss can go fuck itself though).
>Whipped out my 3DS to start playing IV in preparation for Apocalypse
>Got Persona 5 on the way for the future when I'm tired of Apocalypse
>Fates was alright and can fill gaps of my boredom with some Generic Emblem Army Maker simulation in Revelations
God damn do I love Japanese video games. Does anybody know if we can transfer our data from SMTIV to Apocalypse?
>>343212205
anyone got a high quality rip of the songs?
>>343242594
You call "neutral" fucking killing everyone in the universe and becoming the new YHVH?
>>343243509
Different protagonist so no. It would be retarded to do that unless if it was a ghost fighting system.
>>343243610As long as I can keep playing with my favorite demons, it doesn't matter to me honestly.
>>343243597
Considering the developers themselves called Anarcy, Peace and Deep Neutral variations of Neutral then yes
>>343243727
>As long as I can keep playing with my favorite demons, it doesn't matter to me honestly.
Did you beat strange journey or play the ios English smt? Also how is tms?
>>343241820
i think that might be the fire emblem mobile cell phone game anon
>>343241182
Just confusion
>>343244503
Nope, I remembered right:
ND: What kind of game did Atlus come up with at first?
Hirata: At first we thought about a grid-based game that’s similar to Fire Emblem.
Yamagami: We discussed how strategy elements could be put in battles, but on the other hand I told Atlus several times to be bolder, so they were having a bit of a trouble.
ND: When talking about Fire Emblem, strategy comes to mind for sure.
Hirata: In addition to that, we also had various ideas, like ‘shall we make an MMORPG?’
Kaori: Things like Tower Defense.
Yano: We also had a discussion about whether to do it for Wii U or Nintendo 3DS. We even wrote a project plan for 3DS version once.
>http://gonintendo.com/stories/250757-genei-ibun-roku-fe-could-have-been-an-mmorpg-or-tower-defense-ga
>>343242357
>actually thinking this is cool and better than even music/performers
Are you 12?
>>343244741
>Atlus tries to make a game like the series it's supposed to be a collab with
>IS says don't do that
At this point I think IS was just scared that Atlus would actually make a better FE game than they would.
>>343244874
I'll be honest, the whole idol performer thing seems to just get so gay at some points that I honestly think I'd consider suicide if I purchased that game. Makes the haircut look much less crappy to me especially since their target audience seems to be younger shits. I can accept some younger fashion things that will to the most make me dismiss the player character over a whole idol game.
>people literally wanted Devil Survivor but dumbed down to Fire Emblem level
lmao
>>343245496
Holy shit anon, you couldn't sound more like a 12 year-old if you tried.
>>343245418
they probably didnt want it to compete with fates sales either
>>343245418
Not really, you have to understand awakening was a point in the series history where if it didn't do very fucking well fire emblem would die. IS for the most part likely didn't expect the support to be found with fates that was found on release, they more than likely thought their genre would be considered shit to the Atlas audience.
>>343245496
So you are 12.
>>343245609
What? Nig it's 1 haircut versus a whole game centered around idolatry in a supremely gay fasion. You even get super sayin Marth singing about fire emblem. Shits cringe for fucks sake. Wasn't even the anon you where talking to.
>>343245756
>Fire emblem lives on as waifu bait
>Advanced Wars is dead
Are there any screencaps of the reaction when we realized how wrong things really were? I think it was April last year when it happened.
>>343245514
You mean Fire Emblem dumbed down to Devil Survivor level?
>>343245915
>it's only the haircut that is cringe inducing juvenile shit
You are 12.
>>343247947
Demon fusion alone requires more strategy than the majority of FE games
>>343248049
>this is what smtkiddies really believe
>>343248218
>If I make a patronizing greentext with an image of a smug cartoon girl, he might be insecure enough to not reply
>>343247962
Well go ahead and tell me everything about the game. Come on go ahead. Tell me everything about an unreleased title, I'll surely pay you for your review on your patron. I'm sure you know everything about this unreleased title.
>>343248416
>if I repeat the /v/ meme that SMT is hardcore then people will agree with me
>>343248218
was there a mechanic that amounted to more than attack with your biggest guy that wasn't the rescue ability?
>>343248475
>Go ahead and tell me everything about a game you haven't played
the irony
Nice job getting butthurt that your childish taste is called out.
>>343248515
SMT is hardcore for modern JRPG standards but FE is pretty casual for SRPG standards.
>>343248656
>SMT is hardcore
>buffing and debuffing is hardcore guys!
I was looking for something actually interesting that wasn't Idolshit or a dating simulator in a high school setting.
Its complete garbage geared towards the lowest possible weeb/otaku denominator. It would have been cancer on its own, but that it could have been a creative game using elements from both SMT and Fire Emblem just makes this sting all the worse.
I genuinely despise and wish death on those of you who actually like this shit.
>>343248727
>I just saw the hardcore word and stopped reading
read Modern JRPG standards.
>>343248626
The entire game is up for review now and you can see pretty much all there is to the game. I was arguing about aesthetics not game play so you can't use playing the game or not as an argument since that was never what it was about. Literally super sayin idolshit is good taste, what the fuck has /v/ come to.
>>343248834
I'm sorry you feel that way anon. I'll be enjoying my game while you sperg out some more.
>>343221216
>school weebshit with demons and all the typical stupid edge you can handle (same series that had people shooting themselves in the head to summon demons)
>and new weebshit bastardizations of a medieval strategy game
There was no dignity to begin with.
>>343248879
>The entire game is up for review now and you can see pretty much all there is to the game
The same is true for SMT IV A moron.
>I was arguing about aesthetics
So was I.
>Literally super sayin idolshit is good taste
Compared to edgy cyberpunk anime style shit, yes it is.
Now leave 12 year old, stop breaking the global rule.
>>343229721
love first person dungeon crawlers, but not a fan of Nocturne or IV. Can't get into Persona either, played 3 and didn't enjoy the dialogue heavy aspects and the less than stellar gameplay. 5 looks surprisingly cool looking, as does SMT Final.
>>343248938
At least there'll be plenty of FE and SMT games in the future. TMS bombed hard and you better hope the sequel doesn't get cancelled faggot.
>>343249029
meant for >>343248905
>>343249103
>TMS bombed hard
Actually it sold fine for an niche jrpg and the western sales will likely be better than the Japanese. But you go ahead and shitpost.
>>343249029
>Cyberpunk anime style
>not the hottest shit ever
>>343249103
But I also enjoy FE and SMT, why would that bother me?
>>343249029
>I was arguing aesthetics
>you have to play the game anon!
>the entirety of smt4a is already revealed and up for review
>proceeds to not give what I asked for which was an actual concise review of the aesthetics in said game even though it's up for review already apparently
Just
Give
Evidence
It's
Not
That
Hard
>>343249201
I didn't know that Maken X was a mainstream jrpg.
>>343226467
>Also, there aren't elemental physical attacks in any Megaten game
Freikugel, holy strike, and desperate hit are all almighty, and I'm sure there are more than those 3
>>343248656
>FE is pretty casual for SRPG standards
Play FE5 and come back and say that.
>>343249286
Evidence that you are a 12 year old who thinks cringe inducing SMT IV A is good looking? It's in your posts.
Now leave kid.
>>343249447
>can't argue or give evidence
>calls others kids
KEK
E
K
>>343249447
>has to use buzz words like cringe because he lacks any evidence
at the very least name a game you think looks better. cant be that hard
>>343236562
there's a shitty UI patch for one of the majin tensei games, and you can look up plot dialog for like 3-4 of the paths iirc
>>343249546
Even FF15 is less cringe inducing shit than SMT. You Atlus kids have no taste.
the moral of the story here is that FE and SMT fans are faggots
>>343249750
what makes a games visuals induce cringing sensation in you?
>>343249771
Yes, and the series are shit.
>>343238764
>>343239779
I'm not saying they don't exist. But everybody's clearly trying to compare this to modern Persona.
>>343249385
that's like saying super mario bros is hard because lost levels exists
>Used to just be SMTxFE
>Had to hide the SMT from the title as much as possible cause even they knew they fucked up and is hardly SMT
>Simply went with FE since they know it's all waifushit these days anyway
>>343249909
Only Personafags, who try to convince themselves Persona doesn't have some of the worst gameplay and story in the entire genre.
>>343250007
Persona 3/4 both have solid gameplay. Persona 1 has a neat concept but it punishes you too much for trying to fuse new personas. P2 took the ball the wrong way and just made fusing new personas a trial by fire along with making them useless
>>343250223
>Persona 3/4 both have solid gameplay.
Kill yourself, and I mean that.
They have absolute dog shit combat, dungeon design, pacing,etc. Horrible games loved by shit eating retards.
>>343249957
>Tokyo Mirage Sessions
>TMS
>SMT
>>343250297
At least they have more love then you will ever have in your life.
>>343250297
If P3/4 have the worst gameplay in an RPG you ever played I wish I was you. Dont even like them
>>343250454
>The name has been inverted to show just how not smt it is.
>>343250551
Persona is right down there with Korean shit like Magna Carta. It's trash and only 30 year old virgins and dumb kids like it.
>>343249805
>varies from person to person, and involves things ranging from colors to the appropriateness of the shading and the rigidity of shapes
Just fucking say you disagree with him, you weebshitter.
>>343251137
I was asking for his opinion on a subjective question. I just want to understand his frustation
>>343251279
He's an idolater, what do you think his problem is?
>>343250551
Persona 3 and 4 might as well be Pokemon for anime obsessed teenagers
>>343251279
Well, for starters, look at the red and black theme of "edgy" characters.
Even if he never responds, just pretend and make up reasons as to why you might hate it. Preconceived notions of what the game should look like, think of it like you're designing it for someone else like you'd plan/decorate for a party.
Do we have sales numbers yet? I want a good laugh
>>343248564
Devil Survivor can get wrecked by Dances. Only real strategy in DS was Devil Speed in escort chapters
>>343252095
Likely sold as much as the average suda 51 title
>>343236809
this is exactly what I meant when I said that smt fans only care about aesthetics.
I notice that people who prefer Persona 3-4 and #FE always use the term edgy when referring to the SMT games that aren't either weebshit or some other form of pandering.
The games aren't edgy at all, it's simply demons, various other creatures all tied together with all kinds of mythos. Its actually interesting with thought and effort put into the stories and setting.
Persona 3-4 is just a dating Sim, and #FE is purely idolshit. There's nothing thought provoking about any of these games, its nothing but pandering. You literally cannot defend this shit as any kind of creative expression.
It's indefensible garbage.
>>343254000
>my retarded weeb shit is more thoughtful than your retarded weeb shit
GROW THE FUCK UP
You are more pathetic for simply being in denial to how juvenile SMT is aswell.
>>343254000
it's undeniably edgy
>>343254214
nobody actually thinks that demifiend looks good. only dumb fujos
>>343254190
>my retarded weeb shit is more thoughtful than your retarded weeb shit
>>343254000
They're shitposters, just look at what >>343254214 posted.
>>343254214
>>343254447
I like Demifiend's markings but the shirtless capris combo is horrendous.
>>343254214
>a teenage boy covered with markings and without a shirt posing like a retard
>a women? girl? with numerous slashes in her legs a belt thats thicker than her head and making sure you can see the edge of her panties. Also posing like a retard
both are pretty bad family
>>343254000
I enjoy both and don't care about the excessive shitposting between the games, what does that make me?
Fire emblem is gay, this game just made it even more gay.
>>343254000
You're not exactly helping your case by doing the same thing as the people you're denigrating, anon. I'm certainly no fan of either P3 or P4, but saying SMT is some deep, spiritual experience is just malarkey.
Also, SMT IS edgy, but it's well executed edge, and hardly ever veers into grimdark territory, which is why people like it. Persona 3+4 are just weeb executed rather poorly.
>>343256295
To be fair some of the games are litterally copy pasted religious systems.
