I recently got Xbox 360 just to play this game because I heard it was good. We started the game today with 3 of my friends and played for about 5 hours.
And guess what? It fucking sucks.
You thought Zestirias 4 arte cap was bad? Try 3 basic attacks + 1 arte. ONE arte. You can't even chain artes together. You can't even chain artes to basic attacks. Not even free run attack chain to anything. So what the fuck is the point?
I can't even get excited about learning new artes because it's STILL going to be 3 basic attacks + arte. I'm just doing a different one now and can't do anything after it. Oh you got a launcher? Well too bad you can't do anything to the enemy mid air anyway.
And why the fuck is basic functionality of the battle system locked behind skills? You can't throw items to another character without the right skill, you can't even backstep without a right skill. Magic guard? Got a have skill for that!
Please for the love of god tell me it's going to be better. At this point I can't enjoy the game at all.
>but Overlimit
Too bad it's only restricted to one player at a time so 3 of us is still sitting doing same old shit over and over again.
>>343205397
git gud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCiIjQjMvsU
>>343205553
So Overlimit is the answer to everything?
I might consider this worse than Zestiria to play with coop then.
>>343205397
>can't chain artes together
This is bait.
>>343205397
>I cant do all that fancy ass endgame shit at the very start of the gane
>The game is shit
>>343205397
You can chain base artes to arcane artes and some other combinations once you get the skills. The skill system is a little unnecessary, yes, but get your facts straight before your autism acts up next time.
>>343205934
It's still BS. Should've been introduced around the 10hr mark.
>>343206101
>60 hour game
>wants entire endgame system available 1/6th of the way into the experience
>>343206090
I don't have any arcane artes yet but even then it would be just 3 basic attacks + 2 artes. And not just any 2 artes. 2 very specific ones.
And people complained about restrictiveness of Zestiria. This is way worse.
Hearts R did this kind of system right.
>>343205397
Oh boy this is some bait.
>>343205736
If you honestly think Vesperia is worse than Zestiria, then the tales games aren't for you
also you have 4 party members in battle at a time, combo off one another instead of complaining why you can't do end game level of combos
>tfw no CFW PS3 and can't read moon runes
Can't even mod mine anyway with it being the super slim
>>343206227
It'd be more fun. Hearts R introduced their chase-link system by around that time and the game picked up. Encouraged me to try other characters and mix-up arte chains.
>>343206227
Why not? Do you want to be bored out of your mind for the first half of the game?
>>343205397
>>343205397
Sounds like you should play Graces then, way more flash and movement due to side dodging. Plus you don't need a meter to due mystic arts even in multiplayer due to being able to active them off your combo #.
>you can't chain artes
But you can. Literally every Tales game has chained artes, this is a staple. Maybe if you PLAYED THE GAME
>3 basic attacks
But thats wrong. You get combo extenders from PLAYING THE GAME.
>no air combos
Judith and Raven can do air combos just fine, while almost everyone can pull off air stuff with the help of Overlimit. But only you PLAYED THE GAME.
>Learning skills sucks because i have to actually learn them
>why can't the game just give me the skills that i want its not fair
>>343205553
Let me add this video on top of this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1BHJh56RY
>>343206720
I know. I love Graces for all of those reasons.
Xillia 2 and Hearts R systems are closely behind.
>>343206720
>due to being able to active them off your combo #.
Near the very end of the game and the combo number randomly stops. I've played almost 200 hours of graces and still haven't been able to get a combo higher than 48 consistently.
You can't do proper air combos in almost every Tales game, fucking seriously?
>>343206791
It's really a shame Judith is shit compared to the majority of the cast when she's so fun to play but takes ages to make her fun or worthwhile
>>343205397
>doesn't have an arcane arte
>doesn't try linking an arte to an arcane arte
>doesn't learn spell cancelling
>doesn't wait for skills that let you chain artes out of the Arte->Arcane->Altered order
Or maybe, since your characters haven't become godlike yet, they have to ACTUALLY BLOCK sometimes?!
Maybe the game limits you based on something other than a number of chainable skills, and you have to WORK WITHIN CONSTRAINTS to combo?
Maybe you need to GIT GUD.
>>343206791
>why can't the game just give me the skills that i want its not fair
Oh yeah, every fighting game ever would be so much better if you needed to grind to learn all the moves your character has.
And you really think locking a fucking dodge behind a skill is acceptable in anyway?
>>343207252
Did you really just try to compare a mother fucking fighting game to a mother fucking JRPG?
You're purposely making your argument worse and worse. Here's your daily dose of attention.
>>343207121
>Maybe you need to GIT GUD.
Game isn't hard. We have been doing fine. even beat the "casual filter" everyone have been talking about. It was a spike in difficulty but hardly impossible.
The problem is that the system is extremely boring as of now. And I doubt I'll have more fun after unlocking an arcane art.
>>343207445
Yes? My point still stands.
>>343205397
>Playing a Tales game cooperatively
>expecting it to be fun
>>343207252
Yeah. It's called character progression. It's called "leveling up gives you more than just stats."
>>343207454
If you aren't having fun with this game, it's literally not the game's fault. You are just expecting too much out of it right away. Learn the basics, and get good at using them, then watch the battle system expand as the game's story progresses. You aren't even getting those instant kill directional attacks until you meet Karol's old gang. They keep feeding you new mechanics almost a third of the way into the game.
Even Hearts R and Xillia give you a limited number of chained artes at the beginning of the game. You have to find the Exceeds and unlock the better weapons.
Making a backdash and push guard unlockable skills isn't a big deal. You still get them, don't you? Both Hearts R and Xillia take several skills to make backdashing actually useful. Wanna complain about that?
>>343207553
Your point is trash.
>>343208019
Graces worked the best to be honest.
sounds like tales of the abyss. you couldnt really chain anything in that game at all. it was just a basic attack + do an arte. then someone has to cast a fonic arte or whatever and it stays there until you can move towards it, then use an arte with the same element on it. it was dumb as hell.
in tales of hearts r i was going cuhrazy. comboing shit everywhere using crazy artes. that was a lot better.
>>343206431
>progression is boring
why play RPGs then?
>>343208209
I guess this is something I need to look out for. Although Hearts R was fun as hell, I felt like it had a less tangible progression of gameplay... The end result of these games is always fucking bonkers and fun as hell, but I feel like there's something to be gained, having that slow start and overarching progression in the battle system as the story goes on.
>butthurt Graces and Zestiria mad that the game doesn't allow you to just mash and spam
Wew lads thats why tales of went to shit because of casuals babou shitters like you.
>>343208591
if those games allow you to do crazy combos, whatever you want, more freedom with artes, then they are better.
standing around doing the same combo and then an arte sucks and that is casual.
>>343208127
>Yeah. It's called character progression. It's called "leveling up gives you more than just stats."
The progression should come from ME learning the game. Not the game giving me more powerful shit. My character shouldn't get better, I should. Of course introducing aspects of a game one piece at a time is a good thing but don't make it this restrictive at the start.
>You are just expecting too much out of it right away.
Not a single Tales of game has been this restrictive so early on. In every other game, getting a new arte was a joy. I just had to try it out it all kinds of different situations. What can I combo into it? What can I combo off of it? Can I use it to move myself around? There is no that in Vesperia. All the artes that I've used are literally just combo enders. Or slightly longer range pokes.
>Even Hearts R and Xillia give you a limited number of chained artes at the beginning of the game.
Noth Hearts R and Xillia started with basic attacks + 3 AC/TC. That's still the triple the amount that Vesperia has right now.
>Both Hearts R and Xillia take several skills to make backdashing actually useful. Wanna complain about that?
Actually yes. I prefer Graces/Zestiria style dodging over those.
>>343208762
Are you blind or just playing dumb?
>>343205553
>>343206919
Vesperia is the most craziest game in the series in the combo deparment along with Xillia 2.
Just consider suicide please.
>>343208307
Because I like the systems found in Tales of games and learning them. Progression comes from me learning the game, not the game giving me more powerful shit.
>>343208805
>My character shouldn't get better, I should.
Correct, now learn how to spell cancel and utilize knockdown/OTGs. I would add manual cancelling but it isn't in the 360 version.
Xillia 2 has the best battle system. Pulling off crazy combos with Ludger while switching weapons and exploiting weakness is fucking amazing.
Graces combo is literally just mash whatever artes and it work.
People find this fun?
>>343208904
By the judge of that reply I'd say you're blind and retarded.
>>343208904
And you can only do those while in Overlimit. In other games you aren't restricted to the meter.
And with meter you could do absolutely crazy shit in Hearts R and Graces. In Xillia too but it was mostly for linked artes.
>>343209162
>>343209176
Modern tales of fags are absolute garbage.
Im done I have no time to argue with plebs who think button mashing combo is skills.
Stay casuals as always /v/.
>>343209020
I feel like they hit their peak with Xillia 2s combat system. I can't go back to Zestiria after playing some of Xillia 2, it feels like a huge step backwards.
>>343208805
>My character shouldn't get better, I should.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Your stats get bigger as you level up, you find items that let you do different things, and you learn spells (although if you know the button input, you can do them before you know them.)
Every RPG: new skills, new stats as you level.
Even fucking Devil May Cry has skills you have to unlock before you can use them.
>Not a single Tales of game has been this restrictive so early on.
Tales of Symphonia. Tales of the Abyss. Tales of Phantasia. Tales of Rebirth. Tales of Eternia.
They all have really restrictive early games and comparatively much freer endgames.
>That's triple the amount that Vesperia has right now.
If you like the story, maybe focus on that while dealing with what you have to play with, then enjoy when the skills let you get crazy. Complaining about your restrictions is not going to fix anything.
>I prefer Graces/Zestiria dodging over those.
That's probably because backdashing is not actually a dodge. There are no invulnerability frames during a backdash. It's purely a movement tool, to get you out of danger.
>>343209017
There is nothing I can learn to break the limit of 3 basic attacks + arte as of now. You want me to reprogram the game?
>>343209092
Since you're a dumb fuck face I'm pretty sure that no matter what game you played that's all you were going to do anyway, because you're stupid as fuck.
>>343209265
>literally this stupid
>>343206948
That's odd do you not have enemy weakness synthed correctly on your weapons or something. By late game getting 50 hits should be easy even for a novice and with Accel moves you should be able to do all 4 mystic arts in one combo.
>>343208805
>Not a single Tales of game has been this restrictive so early on
>>343209351
>Tales of Symphonia. Tales of the Abyss. Tales of Phantasia. Tales of Rebirth. Tales of Eternia.
Thank you. I hated Symphonia with all my heart. Not just the start, but everything about the battle system. I'll gladly skip rest of those.
>If you like the story
It's a game. Why should I care.
>>343209356
Do you want me to? Just learn the game and play within its constraints. There are things you can do now to do more complex combos, such as using Yuri's free run attack to pick up enemies from the ground, or cancelling a spell with estelle to refresh your basic attacks.
>>343209592
Okay. I guess you just don't give a shit about video games? I'm not sure why you're here or playing this particular game. If you're this fickle and dismissive of everything, then just go play another game.
You really don't deserve to enjoy this series.
>>343209625
>or cancelling a spell with estelle to refresh your basic attacks.
Now that actually sounds fun. I need to ask if one of my friends want to change characters.
>graces babies
>>343209592
>It's a game. Why should I care(?)
>I don't care about stories in video games.
That would have made you sound better. Instead, you sound like a manchild faggot asshole who is ignorant as shit.
>>343209809
>WAAH WHY CANT I PRESS X TO DO AN INFITE COMBOS WHY DO I HAVE TO ACTUALLY LEARN THE GAME AND UTILIZE CANCELS TO COMBO LONGER
>>343209809
>Legendianon
I'm actually friends with that guy.
Also I might be a Rebirthfag, if I ever get to play it in full.
>gracesfags actually think they are making sick combo
>>343208992
progression in tales means getting stronger, having more skills, and finding more and efficient ways of playing characters
having everything available to you from the start defeats the purpose of being an RPG and you might as well be playing something in a different genre
>One retard tries to defend his factually wrong position against 18 other people
Another quality thread on /v/.
>>343207445
>>343207553
You're using a concept and comparing it to 2 completely different genres of videogames.
Hey you know what would be cool? If Mario had third person shooting. That would totally work. You know what else would work? If a fighting game had inventory management. And you know what else will work? If God of War had puzzles and brainteasers!
Your point doesn't stand at all, and just repeating that your point stands is no different than a 5 year old saying he's right because he just is.
>>343205397
WHAT THE FUCK I CAN'T ONLY DO THE SAME 3 COMBO OF DANTE IN DEVIL MAY CRY 3 WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO PROGRESS IN THE GAME TO GET NEW MOVE AND WEAPON WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS HOLY SHIT
>>343205397
>people who play Tales games for the "combos"
Absolutely disgusting.
Go play an actual action game.
The Tales games with more combo options and stun features are always garbage fucking games like Xillia 2
>>343210393
NO BUT WHAT IF ALL FIGHTING GAMES LIMITED YOU LIKE THIS. BECAUSE DEVIL MAY CRY IS A FIGHTING GAME DUH YOU STUPID FUCK
>This whole thread
THE BEARS WILL WIN THE TALESBOWL
>>343210653
Im just waiting for the Amazon reviews when this finally comes out in Japan
>>343210435
>you can't have fun combo system AND fun boss mechanics
If other Tales of games could do it, why Vesperia can't?
>>343210107
>having everything available to you from the start defeats the purpose of being an RPG
Maybe for you. I like Tales of system for thei combat systems. Fully unlocked system is far more interesting than a locked one. That's why I always do a NG+ so I can have almost everything at the start of the game. First playtrough is almost like a tutorial for me. I just didn't expect Vesperia to be this boring in that regard.
>>343210393
WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE MEGAMAN SO FUCKING MUCH, ALL I CAN DO IS JUMP AND SHOOT. THIS IS FUCKING BORING IF ONLY I CAN USE ALL THE BOSS POWERS FROM THE START FUCK THIS SHIT IM OUTTA HERE
I'm playing the PS3 version of Vesperia and this Judith girl just joined my party in prison. Red pill me on her should I put her in my main party.
>>343210324
>You're using a concept and comparing it to 2 completely different genres of videogames.
What concept? The concept of moves the character can make to perform combos? Both have them. I don't see how they aren't comparable.
>/v/ TELL ME SMT IS GOOD
>TRY NOCTURNE
>ALL I CAN DO IS PUNCH PEOPLE WITH ATTACK
NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I DROPPED A GAME THIS HARD. MOST BORING FUCKING BATTLE SYSTEM EVER MADE.
>>343211190
Sounds horrible desu fampai
>>343210886
>I like Tales for the combos
>I like Tales for the fully unlocked
Meanwhile, every Tales game is the same and you have to unlock stuff through PROGRESSION. This is a series where you have to level up to gain new shit and longer combos and unlock mechanics. Every single Tales had you level up to get more artes/increase the amount of moves you can. They all had skills tied to either level up or weapon usage. They almost had mechanics that unlocked from you playing the game, and the one's that didn't, did not even have a mechanic.
You're complaining about something that every game has, and you're only complaining about it because you're forcing yourself to play these games.
What Tales games are you playing because i think i'd like to play them.
>>343205397
YOU'RE ONLY 5 HOURS IN AND COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT HAVING MORE SKILLS AND CHAINS? HAVE YOU PLAYED A JRPG BEFORE OP? YOU GET ALL THE CRAZY GOODS LIKE 15HRS IN, LITERALLY KILL YOURSELF HOLY SHIT NEXT THREAD PLEASE.
>>343211712
Graces, Hearts R, Xillia 2 and even Zestiria disagrees. They are nowhere this restrictive in the beginning.
Isn't that a fundamental of RPGs? Leveling up to get stuff and increase caps? Even western shit has that. The fuck?
>>343210435
That's literally the only reason to play tales.
The stories are all dogshit unless you are some underage shounen shit eater.
What tales games have a non shit story that will bore you with a good battle system which i could get on the psn sale?
You have three team mates. Use them wisely and even at low levels you can do high combos.
I have played almost every Tales game and I have to agree with the OP that tiered artes are shit. Vesperia is the only one where you can alleviate it with skills later in the game and you can map 16 artes too, but Snes/PS1 era games only ever allowed basic -> arcane AND you could only map 4/6 artes at most.
I didn't think anything bad about it back then because the games with free tier artes didn't exist at that time, but in retrospect I don't think I can play any of those games again. Rebirth handled it best because you only needed to map basic artes and arcane artes were performed by doing another arte after the first arte, so you actually had 8 artes when you only mapped 4. TP was also shit in retrospect, I'm glad they're getting rid of it.
>>343211894
>Xillia 2
Thats fucking wrong and you know it. Ludgar doesn't get to use all his weapons unless you progress through the story and get the right party members. Now does he have the Chrono transform without progressing.
>Graces
That's completely fucking wrong, you can't do shit without leveling up and earning titles. You can't do shit for combos until you level those up because that gives you new arts and increases you combo point meter
>Hearts R
Again, level up if you want to get new artes/do real combos. You also don't even have access to the teleporting/arial chase/friendship chain
without leveling up/progressing/leveling up your relationship mete with the others party members
Meanwhile, Zesteria is literally just auto combo frenzy, mash one button to win all fights.
>>343213234
Abyss and symphonia had alter artes too. Also ToS2 actually had a pretty crazy combo system and you could do rad air combos with emil. But no one played it for one reason or another.
>>343205553
The problem with this is it will NEVER HAPPEN in normal gameplay.
Combo videos are neat to see what the characters can do solo but but you do too much damage normally to get extended combos not to metnion need to worry abuot multile enemies and party memebers fucking up your combo. Not to mention bosses just have flat out combo breakers to stop it.
The combo potential is amazing but the reality is you will never do anything close to that in a standard game run.
>>343213476
The last time I played graces f, I ended up doing a 500 hit combo on the fodra queen, with 4 characters. 100-0%. She didn't even get the chance to do her mystic arte, which would've been the first time I tried doing blue earth.
In all games before graces, as long as you use 4 characters you can do 200 hit combos and 100-0 bosses. Bosses didn't get auto super armor until around xillia1. You use 3 spell casters and set the three spells you want them to use on your right stick. For damage, play on hard or higher.
