Is this game the best simulation/management game we've had in years?
>>343185419
It would be great if NPCs weren't such shit.
No, it's a cheap Skinner box
it's good but the whole addictive element from it comes from how it carbon copies harvest moon
Good god no.
>>343185419
No, it is nice though. After playing a while you realize it's pretty shallow. And npc's suck.
>>343186456
Good god yes
>>343185419
Nah, probably Fallout Shelter
Depends if you can marry the best girl or still not.
>>343185419
I hope the update really redoes a lot of things
>>343185419
I'm enjoying it a lot. Although I'm waiting for Rimworld to hit Steam in July before I decide.
>>343189003
Not until the next update
>>343189003
There is a mod to marry best girl, yes.
>>343185419
Since its a literal clone of a game from 15 years ago, I'd say no.
>>343189912
>I haven't played either of the games I'm trying to talk about
Rune Factories are more interesting.
>>343190081
>I'm the same defensive shill who makes Stardew Valley threads every day and gets mad when people point out it isn't 100% original
>>343185419
Hell no. Why would it?
>no procedural generation, so no replay value
>fairly linear progression
It's an RPG at heart - and good one for what it does - but it isn't a simulation/management game.
Updates fucking when? I thought it was getting multiplayer at some point and new love interests
>>343190160
>moving the goalposts
>projecting
Now this is getting interesting. Where did Stardew Valley touch you?
>>343185419
IMO the actual farming and home mechanics are better than Harvest Moon, but the NPCs are more bland. Feels like they went for a more "realistic" set of characters but it just came out boring.
Not too far in the game though, summer, maybe fall. Planning on dating Sebastian (as a guy) because he's more interesting and better looking than the girls.
>>343190160
It's obviously a harvest moon styled game (that was essentially what this was originally) but the mechanics are improved from those games.
>>343189912
It did what harvest moon continuously failed to do for years. Make an enjoyable game with proper quality of life mechanics.
>animation for accessing rutsack too long
>placement and alterations to farm (and towns) not cumbersome
>stable framerate
>farming or selling gimmick not irritating
I swear, every time I try a new harvest moon, it takes 1 step forward in one area, and 2 steps backward in 3 other areas
>>343190301
>wah you clearly never played the game!
>moving the goalposts
>projecting
>>343189820
The general was fun.
>>343190481
I'm not going to defend new harvest moon because it is shit. But it doesn't change the facvt that the majority of what Stardew Valley has done was done by the early Harvest Moon games already. Stardew Valley is a clone game with a few new concepts. And the new stuff isn't even as good as early HM games (especially the NPC interaction and art design).
>>343190630
It took the good, simple points of harvest moon games, and made their own game out of it. Its honestly not that hard to make an enjoyable harvest moon which is why am always angry when the new harvest moon gets released and its complete dogshit. Sure this game isnt original, but when the series its ripping off from is this incompetent at making anything to combat it, I cant say anything in their defense. Honestly, all they needed to do was make friends of mineral town again which was exactly what stardew valley did while adding more functions to itexcept fucking endgame content, the fucks.
Fun game, but I didn't like the rural American setting. Trailers, banjo music, random trash and USA high school stereotype characters are not my thing. Portrait mods are mandatory.
>>343191038
HM could literally just remake Harvest Moon 64 with new graphics and it would be the best HM game. I agree its stupid that they keep trying to focus on everything they shouldn't.
>Honestly, all they needed to do was make friends of mineral town again which was exactly what stardew valley did
Thank you. At least someone finally admitted it.
>>343190427
FFFFFAAAAGGGG
>>343190630
Originality doesn't make everything better (see new Sim City and their idea of a "city") vs. cities skyline (do relatively the same shit as older sim builder games in terms of scaling). If you want a MUCH tighter analogy than look at bloody Roller Coaster Tycoon World compared to Parkitect (that game is a CARBON COPY of Tom Sawyer's RCT just brought to a new engine). Stardew isn't perfect but its still pretty enjoyable and has almost no originality in it (maybe except fishing, I don't know/play many of these games to know if other games do these kinds of minigames perhaps)
>>343189820
>No lewd animations of her
>Very few lewd pics
You know what I'd kill for? A Harvest Moon style game set in Ivalice, or some other FF setting.
>>343190180
>no procedural generation
Procedural farm already confirmed
>>343190180
>fairly linear progression
What progression are you looking for apart from buy things -> get money -> buy more expensive things?
>>343191276
What kind of setting do you want? There's like one trailer
what happened to Rune Factory series?
those games were the shit and had fun combat
>>343191483
Cities: Skylines is very different from past Sim City games. Most of the game is about placing infrastructure and roads ion the right places. While in a Sim City game, you could place shit all over, only really focusing on proximity of civic buildings such as Police and schools.
Now I question if you've played those games.
>>343191815
Went on and got themselves invested in a dead platform
If this is a harvest moon game then I'll post this here. D is my favorite for games that have collision with crops. jumping across that whole damn field gets tiring
>>343192291
I meant F, not D
>>343189912
I'd say Stardew Valley is closer to Rune factory.
>>343185419
The ONE thing I'd want from the game is for it to deliver on that sense of joining the community that it promises. Having to give people a million gifts until they like me and having almost no dialogue with the npc's really kills it for me. I don't think it'd be that hard to just write some more interactions for everyone and have friendship be affected by that instead of just by gifts
>best simulator - management game in years
Are you fucking seriouis? Even Farming Simulator has a million times more depth. Harvest Moon was always a shallow grinding game.
>>343192462
This
>>343191815
Company shutdpwn due to bad management. Rf4 did excellent prior to shutdown but the people are still around natsume
>>343191649
>Procedural farm already confirmed
Wait, really?
>>343185419
If only all of the NPCs weren't complete dicks for absolutely no reason at all
>>343192462
The relationship system is already paper thin. I remember bringing up something like friendship events before in a previous hm thread. Events like fishing with the local fisherman, inviting townsfolk over to your place for dinner, drinking at the bar with them. non-gift related ways at improving relationships, but since this is a clone of harvest moon, and harvest moon repeatedly avoids this in favor of their lazier method of jamming gifts down throats, Im not surprised.
>>343192657
a lot of them have issues.
grampa was wrong about the valley being nice and friendly
I've been thinking about revisiting a simulation game recently. I wanted to play Harvest Moon A Wonderful Life because I remember renting it a few times and enjoying it, but I've heard that it isn't even the best Harvest Moon game.
What do you guys think I should do? Play A Wonderful Life, try a different HM game, or try Stardew Valley? I've heard a lot of good things about the latter.
>>343192578
>They're currently with Marvelous
Good luck trying to bring it back with Shitran Kagura in the way.
>>343192578
They were eaten by Marvelous, not shut down.
The result is essentially the same, but at least some of the staff are still employed there, and Marvelous may eventually decide to try milking the Rune Factory license instead of BokuMono.
>>343186359
It has combat, mining, crafting and same sex marriage. You could spend over 100 hours just trying to build up your perfect farm.
>>343191395
I want you to sound your G's out and say that out loud you and listen to how fucking stupid you sound.
Go outside and play Timmy.
>>343193161
The original game, HM64, FoTM, AWL, Magical Melody and Stardew Valley are all good. The only DS game I played was Sunshine Islands, and it felt pretty underwhelming. And people say it's one of the better handheld ones.
>>343193810
I want you to sound my urethra
>>343193764
Rune Factory much?
>>343194118
Unless they fixed it in the 4th game, Rune Factory is heavily lacking in farm building. And combat-wise, RF3 was a lot better than Stardew Valley.
>>343193891
Your rebuttal doesn't even make sense. In anyway. You should have gone to summer school this year Timmy. Instead you are shit posting in a thread that you are clearly not old enough to even be apart of.
Summer is so bad for /v/. Bad for humanity.
>>343185419
The best? No way. It's pretty good though.
>>343191989
RF 4 was the best selling game in the series though.
>>343194323
Rune Factory 4 is insane with all the stuff you can do. Your farm just keeps on expanding and the story and combat will keep you going for about 80 hour I reckon.
>>343192912
It kinda annoys me how they could spend so much time making so many different character portrait versions but never decide "hey maybe we should the player reasons to actually care about these characters."
>>343193764
> combat
It has minecraft-tier combat. Don't act like that is a selling point.
>>343195048
>all other weapons pale in comparison to the regular sword
What was the point? They should have linked combat to your farming tools.
>>343185419
No, because of the limited time each day. It single handedly killed the otherwise perfect comfyness of the game.
>>343195213
>because of the limited time each day
Man, sure is windy in here
>>343195213
How is that a negative?
>>343195180
But the basic sword they give you is weak as fuck
>>343185419
tbqh this game looks fucking stupid
>>343194873
I think the creator was stretched too thin characterisation-wise, even with the tiny cast. There are characters like Hailey who have a very satisfying arc, but most are just window dressing.
>>343195674
Because I like to take my time when I play. I like to take some time to think about optimizing my farm and I would basically waste days just to do that.
It would feel unoptimal and I hate when it's not optimal because muh ocd.
>>343195759
I meant swords compared to daggers or slings
>>343196383
>being ocd
>just want to escape the ocd and relax
>inefficiencies won't let you
But at least having strats to think of is kinda fun.
>>343185419
Rune Factory exists, so no.
>>343196383
I mean it is nice to optimize but having an unlimited day would kill the game. Instead of having to prioritize you could just farm experience mining or fishing forever
>>343197126
You are starting to understand why game design is tricky.
Removing time limit would not fix it. You would need to change other things to prevent what you just said. A naive idea would be a stamina bar that depletes not with time but with actions you do, for example. Maybe other ideas could be better.
>>343197567
The stamina bar already does that though. Honestly I have no problem with the way the game does days as it is.
>>343185419
It's one of the most enjoyable, but that doesn't make it the best.
PC market was the best market for a competent HM clone though
>>343190198
Literally only reason I haven't bought the game yet. My friends and I are all waiting for multiplayer to be released (if it ever does) before we make our purchases.
>Does the dev even want money?
Explain what you do here
>>343196319
Maybe I'm being too harsh but the relationships with npc's just seems lazy. Even though some of them have some nice little cutscenes, the process of getting them is a chore rather than something you want to do
>>343185419
That creator is an sjw.
So no.
>>343198687
>That creator is an sjw.
that can be fixed with mods
>>343198203
>get fed up with city life and move to a farm in bumfuck nowhere your grandpa left you
>farm fish mine forage to make cash to fix up the farm
>side with either the community or not walmart
Also there are npc's to not care about
>>343198687
>interracial couple
>pierre is literally a cuck
>>343185419
>we
I just got it and I'm sort of starting to wonder what makes it better than Harvest Moon 64 in any way.
>>343194847
More than that. Most people who do everything you can do in that game play for well over 300 hours.
Pic semi related.
>>343196225
The visuals are actually something I don't really have a problem with. Once you start moving around the town and such it has a pretty nice aesthetic.
>>343199997
>that fall tileset
>that fall music
GOTY just for that
>all marriage candidates are bisexual
>>343201908
That's hot. Maybe they could start the tradition of a yearly town orgy.
>>343201908
More like playersexual.
Do NPCs actually talk about what they like most or is it random guessing game?
>>343202348
Their friends and family will sometimes mention likes and dislikes.
>>343202348
Sometimes, randomly, like "If you really want to please Marnie, give her 'thing'!" (in fucking quotes, every time)
>>343202348
It's mostly a crapshoot, I didn't even bother and just looked at the wiki
>>343185419
>your child can never grow up
What the fucks the point
>>343203443
that would be more work, to implement a system like that.
>>343202348
Mostly not. The dev should have taken notes from Rune Factory 3, in that game they give you a nice idea of what each npc likes or dislikes.
>>343202348
Befriend their friends and family and they'll tell you the person's favorite thing
Of course this requires you to start somewhere, but gift giving is always a guessing game at first in most HM games anyway
>>343205343
God, please no.
>Did I shut up about squid today? Of course not!
>I love trash, and in case the message didn't get across, here's three shitty skits in a row of your character assuming I'm not serious when I am
>I'm so japanese, I shit sashimi
>Hey, BRO, how about that fish, m8?
>Hey, lov- BRO, how about that fish, m8?
>>343205343
They should've dropped the gift giving mechanic almost entirely
Should I buy Rune Factory 4 over Stardew Valley?
>>343207206
Yes. Hands down.
>>343192458
Nah.
RF had the better combat, crafting and NPCs you'd actually like to marry.
>>343199750
Did she just buy another copy because the module only features one save file?
>>343207583
Nah there is two save slots.
>>343207263
Not him, but what if I don't care for all of the RPG stuff Rune Factory has?
Do I go with Story of Seasons or A New Beginning?
>>343189003
No. She'll never be marriable, because the creator hates fun.
>>343207682
Damn, kids are retarded
>>343207837
Rune Factory 4.
>>343207858
Blame muh morals and ethics
>>343207926
I forgot how retarded RFfags were.
I was thinking about picking this up but is the marriage thing mandatory? I just want to farm. No love shit
>could've had a system where you get friendship by talking to people, going to dinner, hanging out at the saloon, fishing together etc.
But no, gift giving because fuck effort
>>343192291
i don't understand
A is best because of the iridium water can
C is best for sprinklers
>>343208116
talking to people give friendship points, just not as much as giving gifts or luau
>>343208113
you can do exactly whatever it is you want
you don't have to explore the cave
you don't have to talk to people (except for buying houses for farm animals)
you can spend the entirety of your time just fishing if that's your thing
you don't have to attend the events
you just do whatever you feel like doing
>>343208514
oh and you can just ignore everything and play games at the stardew saloon if you don't feel like doing anything else
>>343208236
Doesn't it only do it during the rare time where you have dialogue options?
>>343208630
>>343208514
Sounds great thanks. I'll pick it up right now.
>>343208714
that too, but just casually talking to people give friendship points
have happened to me more than once that i've just talked to someone and their heart meter went up by one
>>343190548
Yeah, what the fuck happened to the general?
I leave 4chan for a couple of days and it fucking disappeared.
I kinda miss spreading the cancer from the forums.
Great, more indie garbage.
>>343204060
>That would be work
>>343209293
Why are you quoting?
>>343208993
Not enough new content and most of the threads were carbon copies of each other with the waifu/husbando faggotry.
That said, I am eager to see if there'll be a new general once the big update hits.
>>343208867
Well shit that's literally never happened in the 40 hours I played
>>343210026
Each heart is valued at about 240 points or so. Talking to a person gives him 10 points for that day.
>>343208867 was just near the threshold when that happened.
>>343210026
>>343210997
Scratch that.
Each heart is 250 points.
Talking gives 20 points.
http://community.playstarbound.com/threads/anthro-characters.109960/
>>343212136
Oh boy
