https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWGEhRAvupU
I can't play 60fps either it makes me wanna puke
60fps youtube videos are the worst thing ever invented, I watch 99% of the time in 480p 30fps
Just look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChsT-y7Yvkk
No honest person can say that 60fps is better
>>343183524
The Avatar section of that video looks so fucking weird, if only because most of the creatures are animated at 24 fps.
No, there are plenty of other people deluding themselves that 30fps is supposed to look better, because they are already conditioned to the way 30fps blurs and looks like and cannot embrace something that is objectively better.
>>343183484
yeah gotta be at 120 at least
>>343183715
i don't even have a 120fps video
Just.... stop dude, give it up for tonight and play some video games.
>>343183484
Nah m8 there's still a lot of people like you for some reason.
>>343183698
the motorcycle racing I feel dizzy and headache
>>343183813
I'm saying it's bad or good I'm saying I feel what you could describe as motion sickness
I wish I could play 60fps games after 2 minutes I feel dizzy and want to throw up
Specially First person shooters I can't play 60fps at all
Witcher 3 is good though I don't feel much light head and dizziness
>>343183524
>No honest person can say that 60fps is better
So you claim.
>>343183906
Oh thank god, I thought I was going crazy. 60 fps games are noticeably dizzying for me, too.
>>343184127
in that video you fucking autistic moron
epic bait XDD
>>343184151
>I thought I was going crazy. 60 fps games are noticeably dizzying for me, too.
GTA V was kinda mixed, some parts most than others
Usually games with constant action like cod or battlefield I can't play at all
>>343183906
>>343184151
I get the opposite effect. I bought GTA V for the 360 and had to take breaks every hour because it would give me a headache.
>>343184291
Even youtube videos
fuck I hate them
I was watching IGN interview with Fries and couldn't watch 1 minute in 720p60
i'm a little dizzy right now for watching that less 1 minute
>>343184183
The movements of that tricycle are smoothier than the 30 frames per second clip. But that guy has a nice ass.
>>343184403
muh cinematic xD amirite, lads?
>>343184183
Not him, looks fine to me. Maybe you have something wrong with your brain, my cousin has problems with 60fps and he found out it's because he has abscence seizures.
>>343183484
yeah man 60 fps is too fast, no joke. unless it's a FPS, fighting game or something, no reason to go beyond 30 fps at all. i'm sure it's bad for our health.
Like this based guy said one truth regarding 4k and 1080p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5dFfbVrjIA
The size of the matters
4k in small screens is not a good deal at all despite most people shilling for 4k monitors at 31 inch
>>343183524
But even within that video 60 FPS looks a shitload smoother. That bike jump looks fucking abysmal in 30FPS.
The only reason you retards can't stand 60FPS is because you've watched 30FPS you're whole life and can't stand anything outside your comfort zone.
Anyone who played PS2 games like DMC or MGS2 when they came out doesn't have this fucking problem.
for live action video yeah it can look very weird, keep at at 24fps
for games though the opposite its true. for instance playing MKX at 60fps and then it goes to 30FPS for cinematic attacks and it makes me feel sick, i don't know how people play games below 60. cheap old "HD-ready" PAL TVs did 50hz at 1080 and its whack as fuck for games.
>>343183484
Give one good reason why 30 fps is better besides muh feels.
>>343183484
your peasant brain can't take it in is all
>>343184632
4K tv is 56-70 inch
Anything lower than that is wasting money
don't fall for /v/ gimmick of "4K FTW"
>>343184735
It's smoother but it's too unrealistic, seems someone is using some kind of speed up feature
it feels so unnatural but again, I feel very sick when watching so I'm not the best person to say if it's smoother movement is all that worthwhile
>>343183484
Sub 60fps give me headache desu.
>>343184735
Oh shit, that's why DMC looked so different!
>>343183484
>all these faggots on /v/ not being able to play in 60fps mode
>all these pussys feeling DIZZY from 60fps
dear baby moses, I thought you retards considered yourself as "gamers" even though you're a bunch of little children
just go and play some undertale, fucking wussies
>>343184863
>It's smoother but it's too unrealistic
Real life doesn't move in 30fps bruh
>seems someone is using some kind of speed up feature
You only say that (like everyone else) because you've been conditioned for 30fps being seen as the norm
This interview in 60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSF-ka3Z7Yw
You can't say it looks natural in 60fps
It doesn't.
I have no idea why interviews are done in 60fps
>>343184863
>It's smoother but it's too unrealistic
You can't count the frames in real life you fucking mongoloid.
>>343184980
this so much. this board is polluted with crybabies
>>343185004
>Real life doesn't move in 30fps bruh
you really expect the people in this thread to understand that?
>>343184980
No fuck you you weebo hipster
fucking bernie retard go masturbate yourself on that old jew
>>343185120
>can't even spell weeabo correctly
>implying I give a shit about anime games
kek
>>343185098
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2826883/figure/F2/
You are the mongoloid here
Why no one lock the games at a steady 45 fps?
You can have both graphics and smoothness.
Think about this
>console kiddies are so conditioned to bad quality graphics that they LITERALLY get adverse health effects when looking at superior graphics
>>343185304
because steam hipsters shilling for the 60fps meme means more cash when they release the alpha build games for 60 dollars but in 60 fps
>>343185056
I doesn't look "natural" because all your life you've watched video at 30fps, acclimating yourself to it
>>343183825
How do you survive real life?
Don't answer me, just kill youself and remove your defective genes from the genepool.
going from 60fps to this is really something else, poor consolefags will NEVER EVER get this
>>343185420
>alpha build $60
Name five fucking games
>>343184540
>i'm sure 60 fps is bad for our health.
AYYOO LMFAOO
no honestly youre retarded
Imagine being like OP, except unlike OP you legitimately have this opinion (as opposed to saying inflammatory things because it's the hip thing to do).
I wonder if these people would get a brain hemorrage if they played at 144Hz.
>>343183813
This picture is completely stupid to say that all skulls are the same when the ethnicity of each have very noticeable differences.
>>343185481
Everything on Steam is a fucking broken game
Fallout 4 needed patches
Witcher 3
Batman
Just Cause 3
>>343185625
>144Hz.
The human eye can see a difference between 144Hz and 60hz that doesn't mean higher is better, it means is faster
how that is applied on games is what it matters
>mfw my 144Hz monitor would make console peasants heads explode
truly masterrace
>>343184403
Not everyone has inferior eyes like you.
>>343183813
>all skulls are the same
>there are no markers of sex
>there are no markers of ethnicity
>there are no indicators of health that illustrate poor diet or disease as would likely occur in rich versus poor people
>everyone looks the same
I hate this fucking picture.
The one with the different pints of blood makes far more sense because in that case no, no one can tell by the naked eye the difference between a black woman's blood and an Asian man's blood.
>>343185760
Higher *is* better, and it's not faster, but smoother.
But while it's always a positive addition, it's also as you said: not necessary for all games.
Interesting that PC retards buy their $600 graphic cards to play DOTA, CS GO and Overwatch
And then after they realize they are not good, they buy razor mouse, razor keyboard and razor headphones thinking it will improve their skills
maybe instead of WATCHING 60fps gameplay, you try playing it instead?
>>343185494
nice retort, kid. you'll realize that when you get older, don't worry.
>>343185352
same for you.
>>343185289
You should probably go back to primary school if you honestly think you just proved your fucking point.
That chart is based on the ability of people to detect defects in visual stimuli based on age. For example, if there's a 20ms break in a video, someone over the age of 60 wouldn't be able to catch it, but a 20 year old would.
This literally has fucking nothing to do with one's ability to go outside and see a car driving around.
If anything you just proved my point by showing that you can easily spot the 33 ms delay in a 30FPS input.
>>343185951
>smoother
Why don't you play games in 5000 fps then? you can unlock that feature in some games. Do that and post results
>>343183484
faggot
>>343185304
Or offer different rates as choices in the settings menu.
Why are there now bolt actions
>>343185959
>>343183484
>I can't play 60fps either
>>343186029
Sure, you got any spare 5000Hz monitor lying around?
Because 45fps = screen tearing+stuttering on pretty much any monitor that doesn't have adaptative sync.
>>343186029
Because there's no fucking 5000 Hz monitors yet, you idiot.
The monitor wouldn't be able to physically display 5000fps
>>343186008
>If anything you just proved my point by showing that you can easily spot the 33 ms delay in a 30FPS input.
Which means you can spot differences in CHANGING speed (refresh rate)
Which means most people won't benefit from 144hz gaming or whatever is the new steam community meme
>>343186106
But you said it would make your experience smoother not faster
the human eye can't see past 24fps anyways, m8
>>343186190
Meant for >>343185304
Yeah its just you you fucking vision let
>>343186229
I was implying it would be smoother as long as your monitor can actually display that framerate.
>>343186192
>The monitor wouldn't be able to physically display 5000fps
So what's the deal with hundreds of pc retards saying 144hz monitors improved their 60fps games?
>>343185056
Hey mate, it looks natural at 60 FPS.
>>343186357
Who said that?
>>343183484
sounds like you have brain and/or eye problems,
>>343186415
every day there is one shilling for 144hz monitors here, also on steam community
>>343186357
Give me one example of that
Also how the fuck is that relevant to what I'm saying?
Hz basically determines the maximum amount of fps you can get on a monitor, it doesn't mean that you have to play at that FPS.
>>343183484
30fps vs 60fps in films/tv isn't good comparison for 30fps vs 60fps games
Idk why but 60FPS does look really weird sometimes
It will look smoother but I have more trouble following whats going on
Kind of the same feeling I get when watching 3D movies
>>343183906
Life is much higher than 60 FPS. 30 FPS is unnatural.
Here's something I'd like to chime in on about this 60fps issue, particularly related to camera footage.
Unlike when you look at moving objects in real life, on video your eyes do not naturally lock onto specific things and track them. When looking at 60fps footage taken with a camera, this causes things to look unusually smooth, almost uncanny for some people, whereas others enjoy it.
My understanding of this, is that your eyes, while they can see incredibly high framerates (it's not really even framerate, they see motion of shapes) they have a sort of tick rate as to how often they are capable of switching what they're focused on, or movement in general. In real life, this creates a visual jitter quite similar to what you may see in 24fps film. Since you are largely incapable of tracking objects the same way on a screen as you would objects in real life, you feel a sense of disconnection when the picture itself does not have that jitter.
>>343186468
My point has nothing to do with 144fps being better
I made this thread to discuss motion sickness ( i don't know if that's the term) for videos/gaming at 60fps (specially first person shooters)
It depends on the game and quality of the graphics. Doom 3 looks like shit and runs like melted butter and makes me sick just looking at it.
>>343183484
Fighting games cannot be played at <60 fps
>>343183484
I sorta agree, 60fps looks more "gamey", 30 looks more serious, I like the freedom to choose but for the most part i stick at 60 or 30 with motion blur
30 can feel blurry after playing 60 though
but yeah 6fps with certain games just looks retarded as shit, a WWI game is probably the best example, looks like the first call of duty or unreal 2004 when its low poly and limited gameplay options
>>343183484
Get a better brain, retard
>>343183484
What is this nonsense?
Eyes can't see below 4k and 120fps.
Don't believe Ondore's lies.
>>343186536
Yes
Also some movie companies may shoot some movie sequences in a 30fps/60fps camera and then post-process in 24fps
Or they could do the opposite
>>343186543
Then why reply at all you gigantic faggot
>>343185056
reality is at a far higher FPS than 60, my dude.
>>343186618
>motion blur
YOU FOOL
>>343186618
I know 30 fps is fine but your post is fucking stupid.
>>343186674
then why try to make this thread 60fps vs 144fps when it's not the case your landwhale?
>>343183524
avatar was 60fps?
>>343183484
I think you might be retarded actually, hence why you can't catch up with 60fps
Real life runs at 1.855e+43fps
>>343186708
Reality is not 60fps, 1000fps, or whatever
>>343185458
>GTX 680
Are you even able to play Solitaire in 144fps?
>>343183484
Continue watching it, your mind is used to watching 30 fps, once it gets over that limitation, it's glorious. It was hard even for me(I play games only 60fps) when I started watching movies at 60 fps at the start, but it got better and now I only watch them at 60 fps.
>>343183484
>>343183524
You keep coming here, and everytime you try to FORCE this shitty false idea about 60fps you get made to look stupid. Just give up and go away, these threads are tired now.
>>343185120
You don't even know what the term 'weeaboo' actually mean.
>>343186861
got 2, can play basically anything on 1 less than highest on new titles
>>343186750
>your landwhale
What? Were you trying to insult me or something?
Looks like you failed tbqh.
>then why try to make this thread 60fps vs 144fps
I didn't. I'm not the same guy you replied the 5000 fps thing to.
>>343186530
The human eye doesn't view the world in frames at all, it's much more advanced and intricately designed than a simple compilation of still 2D images
>>343186782
I'm not sure if the guy re-rendered or just avatar was released in 60fps blu ray
>>343183484
>>343183524
while i do agree about watching 60fps video, it does feel weird, but I can't disagree more about gaming at 60fps.
gaming at 60fps is a gift from god himself. It feels much more responsive at 60fps, much smoother. When I bought my 390x to replace the oldie 550ti it felt so much better
>30 FPS is ok
>>343186924
>shitty false idea about 60fps
WHAT SHIT FALSE IDEA YOUR HIPSTER MONKEY?
I just said I feel sick watching videos playing FPS games!!!!!!!!!!
>>343186029
The maximum amount of fps in which you can tell a difference is less than 300. After 180 fps fast moving large scale change in detail will make you have a headache, games, movies, etc will make you sick at more than 180 fps. 60/120 fps is smooth enough. I'd say limiting your games at 70 fps so that you don't get drops below 55 is perfect.
>>343187175
I don't know I wish I could limit my GTA V to 45-50 fps it seems it's the perfect spot for me
>>343183813
There's a difference between skulls of different sexes you mongoloid.
>>343183484
I hate watching 60fps gameplay. Shit gets me dizzy as fuck. Playing 60fps is fine, but for some reason 720p60 gameplay on YouTube makes me want to puke.
>>343184735
I've played on a shitty toaster and consoles most of my life, 60fps was a luxury. I can manage 30fps videos and play 30+ FPS, but 60fps videos get me sick for whatever reason.
As for 30fps, it's acceptable (depending on genre), but not something to be aimed for as default in this day and age.
>>343187061
Why is there a Crimson Fist in Unreal Tournament?
>>343186986
It processes the information in a similar manner, though, if you feed it more information than it can handle, your head will hurt.
That's why OP is getting sick, he isn't used to watching 60 fps, he should watch for 1-2 weeks and he'll get used to it and love it. Porn especially is way better.
>>343183484
>105 replies and 14 images omitted.
You're all a bunch of fucking idiots. Kill yourselves you boring faggots.
So you want cinematic???? I give you cinematic. Glorious console fps numbers here bois, can't top this. Pc fags served.
>>343187337
I'm used to watch anon
I watch 60fps videos for months and still I hate them and I feel dizzy
>>343183524
You're just not used to 60fps. If you feel uncomfortable or ill from watching it it's probably your brain adjusting the balance from using itself to fill the spaces between images your eyes are capturing to the unusual increase of images per second.
Looking at the video you linked, I was watching the 60FPS side of a 60/30 simultaneous comparison scene, & out of the corner of my eye I saw the 30FPS & perceived it to be stuttering abysmally. Looking at it directly my mind automatically rebalanced itself (since I'm used to variable framerates) & started filling in the images between these stutters.
i.e. compared to 60fps, at 30fps half of what you're seeing is A LIE AND AN ILLUSION constructed by your brain.
>>343186708
sometimes you gotta have the gooeyness' of motion blur, its just eye candy at times, like bloom.
Also does anyone else turn off AA to get a clearer "sharper" image? I just hate all those heavy layers of sfx obscuring my vision in multiplayer games, if i wanted to play fog mode with excessive bloom, id play a ps3 port.
>>343186986
Sure, but your eyes notice cuts at 30 FPS. Really easily. Because it's missing information. 60-120 or 144 FPS right now is light years ahead of 30 FPS.
>OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGIMd3_LfY
>>343187383
Then you're brain capacity and performance is shit, are you a nigger?
I watch 3-4 hour long movies in 60 fps and I don't get dizziness anymore, I did in the first two weeks I started. Maybe you switch from 60 to 30 too often, download SVP and go 60fps only.
>>343187380
Apparently those cgi trees are made based on SpeedTrees
>>343186747
Tell me how realistic battlefield 1 looks at 60fps, at least with 30fps you can cover up some of the ultra-campyness of it all. It just looks like an indie mod that got greenlight for early release before they added the atmosphere or art direction of the game.
Now i get why the trailers were all .005 second jumpcuts, because everything looks fucking stupid in that game
>>343187428
In that game I think 30-45 fps would be much better than 60fps
>>343187428
But the difference is games don't cut in and out like that unless you got shit hardware you're playing ARMA III. 60fps is always better but 30fps isn't as shitty as this webm makes it seem. If you get a constant stream of information it'll look better than constantly losing some info.
>>343184151
>>343183906
Maybe is the FOV of the game.
>>343187723
>In that game I think 30-45 fps would be much better than 60fps
you think very wrong
>>343187640
Think about what you're saying. You're talking about an EA game. Those are never very well optimized.
>>343186536
>My understanding of this
And it's wrong.
The reason 24fps in film seem smooth is because there is (these days deliberate) motion blur in play to approximate natural motion perception. Without it you'd see a series of stuttery images like a video game running at 24fps.
Motion tracking of your eyes and brain itself are very complex and as such it needs to be fooled through use of various techniques to avoid unanny valley sensations and the associated discomfort. This obviously means that changing the recorded fps value in film from 24, at a particular shutter speed (which in return ties into the lighting situation and various other factors), to anything high like 60 comes with a technical challenge to not upset the natural motion perception of eyes/brain.
Indirectly that's also why badly running games with good motion blur implementation seem so very smooth. Most fast paced console titles use motion blur these days.
The actual framerate increase merely has one advantage - as there are more snapshots available your eyes/brain can interpolate information more smoothly and this comes with a sense of better accuracy at predicting movement/positioning and other related factors. In film this isn't nearly as necessary as it is in games where your own input is involved due to your brain being able to sense latency when turning your head with a VR headset or changing the field of view with the mouse, creating an uncanny valley sensation of being drunk or otherwise mentally impaired, causing nausea.
>>343187738
30 FPS is 30 FPS. It does not matter if you have the best hardware or the worst one. Your graphic card output 30 images in a second and it create really noticeable jumps between each other.
Just look at the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QksH65BmjK4
>>343187061
this is what my brain sees when something poorly made is running at 60fps
>>343187426
>Also does anyone else turn off AA to get a clearer "sharper" image?
Yes, in particularly lousy techniques like FXAA which just blur the entire screen and seem uncanny. I disable chromatic aberration for the same reason.
>>343183484
i know this is bait but 60fps really does hurt my eyes. but it isn't the 60fps, it's the retarded bloom and other filters on games that achieve 60fps. Star Wars Battlefront doesn't hurt my eyes and that shit is silky smooth 90FPS on my 144Hz screen, but Battlefield 4 makes my ewyes wants to bleed.
>>343187380
ok i get your point now goddamn, eyes can get murdered by anything these days
>>343187985
>chromatic aberration
This feature is cancer. Why does it even still exist?
>>343187803
Yeah. Movies are linear products and so they can have a motion blur style effect that melt frames together to make the transition smooth.
Games are not linear, they cant melt two frames together because each frames are totally different from a person to person basis.
>>343187985
I turn off motion blur too.
The closer a game gets to tricking your eye into perceiving "motion" the more you're going to feel motion sick watching it if you're not in control of it.
Also motion blur is really gross.
Like why car drivers don't get motion sick but passengers do.
>>343187380
that's a bit too slow, anon. don't need to exaggerate, that's not what a 30 fps game looks like. uncharted is smooth, i have no problems playing/watching it.
>>343187936
I know 30fps is shitty, but it looks much better if your whole play session was 30fps vs. alternating between 30 and 60.
>>343183484
Yeah probably
Hello, is this the thread where all the retards of v are arguing for 30fps? Please stay here and leave the rest alone no one is missing you.
>>343188498
Glad to have you aboard
How fucking pathetic can you be to get sick from 60fps?
>>343187424
same could say with 60 fps
>>343187723
That's one shit opinion
>>343183524
This video doesn't take into account interpolated 60 vs native 60fps. Which is a world of difference. Also fps matters much less on video than it does in vidya
I like films over 24fps because it shows whether or not a crew or studio is talented. Can they get those minuscule details perfect? How much attention and love are they actually putting into the story? The cinematic argument doesn't fly, theory doesn't fly. I like seeing people do new things.
>>343188686
>food analogy
>>343188750
Wow so you eat poop? Too much information my dude.
>>343188792
Grow up.
I bet you are one of those sissies who get PTSD from shooting a gun. or dont have a drivers license.
>>343183484
No, but I know the feeling when it's hard to play/watch anything that's running under 60fps.
>>343187985
FXAA is pretty good for what it is and what it has to work with. At high resolutions like 1440p or 4k it really shines, due to all the extra information the higher resolution gives it.
>>343185304
I played ass creed unity at 45fps
It's a bit too sluggish for action
>>343188634
but not as much.
>>343188723
Jesus christ dude, turn down the autism a few notches
>>343183484
The only time I ever felt sick watching 60FPS was when i watched 60FPS videos
>>343188709
Native FPS, send me videos please.
>>343187546
SVP is shit, doesnt even work anymore. You have to manually setup every little bit of it to work properly for each individual video. Fuck me im not wasting that much time.
I wouldnt mind a 60fps artifical interpolation, but not for a lifetime of troubleshooting after work
>>343183484
I hate how real games look, i just want to play a game not live another life.
>>343189781
REPEAT THAT
AND I WILL MAKE BEYOND TWO SOULS 2
>>343183484
>consolebabbys are literally retarded
Figures
I love it when it's available since I'm a console fag.
It's jarring to say the least, when you go from the Uncharted MP back to the story. Panning the camera in the story mode makes me eyes hurt but after a minute I get used to it and never notice it then. Contrast it with the smooth as fuck MP and you do notice it.
>>343190113
>Contrast it with the smooth as fuck MP and you do notice it.
Uncharted 4 is a fucking meme
QTE + Cinematic shit + cheap drama = AAA Undertale with climbing sections
>>343187723
I have actually played at 30FPS in that game, and I'm here to tell you that you are very very wrong.
>>343187106
There's a clear distinction between 30fps and 60 fps, this shouldn't even be a debate, I'm not saying that video games are unplayable in 30fps but 60fps is without a doubt where we should be aiming for with all our games.
>>343190539
45 would be the ideal. 60fps is too much for a trackmania game
>>343190741
The debate is based on my personal sickness not on my feeling you dumb hipster
Watching videos of video games in 60fps is weird. The codec does smoothing and shit. It's not the same as playing the game at 60fps.
Whenever I first play a FPS game after having not played one in a long time, I always get a headache and feel a little sick for the first couple hours of playing. It goes away and then I can play it normally so it's no big deal, but biologically, why does this happen?
>>343191897
depends
it the game is too fast like changing weapons, bullets, movements all happening really fast and flashing (like lights in/out in 50ms) it really hurt your eyes
>>343187380
Is is exactly the kind of shots that makes me wonder why the fuck directors keep putting them in despite knowing how shit it looks because of the FPS.
>>343189897
>I hate how real games look, i just want to play a game not live another life.
>>343187380
That's a perfect storm of shit CG, shit camerawork and shit video compression in all fairness.
>>343192415
YOU ASKED FOR IT
YOU
AS..KED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>343183524
60fps is better
>>343183484
60 fps is the worst fucking meme that ever existed and only a dumb salty retard can fall for it.
>>343183484
>>343183524
>>343183906
>>343184151
(you)
>>343193957
>grow up with NES era
>everything runs at 60 fps
>for years this is the standard
>3D graphics show up
>barely chug along and everything stutters
>"B-b-but this is the future of video games!"
>watch as silky smooth 60 fps sprite based games die for ugly polygonal models that move at 4 fps
